/lit/ - Literature

>>17195756
I want to fuck this cartoon character.

>>17195769
yea me too, idgaf about sffg but I came here to post this

>>17195826
Same! Lmao

Five Ways to Forgiveness, Hainish Cycle - Ursula K. Le Guin (1994/2017)
Five wonderful interconnected novellas originally serialized in magazines and then presented together in this collection. Characters appear and events occur that are referenced between each one.

Betrayals
An elderly woman who believes she has lost everything finds a way to make life meaningful again.
Enjoyable

Forgiveness Day
A cross between The Left Hand of Darkness and The Handmaid's Tale. A strong independent woman finds herself as an envoy to a phallocracy, that's the word used, and quickly discovers the limits to her feminism and idealism. In this society all women are property and most men as well, 5/6s of the population are enslaved. I read it as an exploration of the limitations of privileged feminism that attempts to bring about change without any understanding of context or what they're up against. Somewhat like a feminist who travels to Saudi Arabia and without any consideration of her surroundings believe she'll be able to bring about systemic change for all women.
Highly Enjoyable

A Man of the People
This one begins on Hain. A young man yearns for something greater than the life he lives and knows and so he sets out to do exactly that. Possibly an exploration of the limits to cosmopolitanism and cultural relativity.
Highly Enjoyable

A Woman's Liberation
Possibly a take on Twelve Years a Slave or similar works depicting slavery. A woman is born into slavery, but has quite a life ahead of her. The limitations of well-meaning male moderates are explored. Manumission? Why certainly, I'm no monster! What's that you say, rights for women? I would never allow it!
Highly Enjoyable

Old Music and the Slave Woman
Old Music is one of his names, but he primarily goes by Esdan. A civil war over slavery is underway and he's bored because he's been in the embassy for far too long with nothing to do. So, he leaves its sanctity and quickly discovers the difference between imagined and actual experience. It doesn't go well for him. The story explores the limitations of both pacifism/non-intervention, the Rwandan Genocide was contemporaneous, and violent revolution, which seems prescient about the outcome of the Arab Spring. This story also seems to be in part a commentary on Iran at the time, though it's still relevant today. It's also strongly against the US "liberating" and "bringing democracy" to other countries. This wasn't included in the original collection.
Enjoyable

Rating: 5/5

From the Chronology section:
1947: Ursula K. LeGuin Graduates high school in class of 3,500, which includes Philip K. Dick. The two never meet, although they later correspond.
1962: Encouraged by a friend, begins reading science fiction writers Philip K. Dick...
What a coincidence and I wonder if she knew as she was reading him that they had been in the same graduating class by then.

>>17195835
saem

/sffg/, if a character went to a magical fantasy world and found there were a number of structures spread throughout the world full of canned food, clothes, medical supplies and cryptic instructions about the the lore of the setting, would it be obvious what was going on in the setting?

>>17195850
Lmao I fucking love literature, bro

>>17195864
bazed

weird request but I have vague memories of reading a story in which the protagonist is given a whole bunch of rice cakes by some person or organization, ostensibly for some kind of service rendered or for recognition of their accomplishments. the protag notes that rice cakes are highly valuable because they keep well, are nutritious and can be prepared in a number of ways, but it's mostly due to the fact that food is sparse in this setting for some reason. notably, despite having no obligation to do so, the protagonists chooses to share his vast stores of rice cakes with other people because they're just so nice and pure of heart.

I can't remember anything but the fucking rice cakes. I know it's probably a book because I have no visual or auditory memories associated with it. I presume it's sci fi or fantasy because that's all I ever read.

does this ring a bell to anyone

>>17195842
Currently reading The Dispossessed. I fucking love Le Guin's prose. It's like every other page has a gem in it. I should start highlighting them.

Any good sci-fi recs where the books have 'star gate' style travel as a focal point? I especially like the idea of exploring alien worlds through mysterious gates etc.

any good sci novel with anthropomorphic sharks and the spaceships are made entirely of tungsten and the protagonist is a dark fairy

>>17195984
copy-paste leguin prose quotes please desu

should i write a book

>>17196027
What would it be about

>>17196009
hey why don't you shut the fuck up

>>17195864
Good fucking lord

>>17195769
Character name: ayame kajou

>>17196046
fantasy setting aristocratic family dealing with shit
slightly fascinated by "the romney clan" in america but don't care enough to make it allegorical

>>17196069
I'm not into anime or watching any kind of serials whatsoever so I don't really care. I have never watched an entire show before and I'm not starting now. However she is hot.

>>17196085
I’m saying for the sake of your masturbatory purposes, there is definitely a lot of porn of the character.

>||So did the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus perish in salt and butchery.||

>>17196140
>discord spoilers
You need to go back.

>>17195756
I want to fuck Sorry

>>17196140
happy ending desu

>>17195852
Only as obvious as your clues and telegraphing, those there's almost no way to avoid the assumption that doomsday bunkers are for doomsday.

>>17195756
anime? more like anigay

>you will never be a real writer

why even bother staying alive?

>>17196345
just keep writing
even if nothing ever comes of it, at least you spent that time better than playing vidya

>>17196371
two years anon. I couldn't do in two years what I once did in 3 months.

I just have to accept it. My first novel was a fluke. It's not something the real me (the stupid, useless retard version of me that exists 99% of the time) was ever meant to accomplish. If it was, you'd think at least once I would have had that spark catch alight again.

No, I'm not a writer. That other me is the writer and I'm just a prison for him. Maybe if I killed myself he'd be able to reincarnate into his own person and actually accomplish things. Or maybe I could kill him and find peace with underachievement

>>17195756
https://www.deviantart.com/uthp/journal/The-Legend-of-Twilight-Zelda-Princess-part-I-348420007

>>17196398
You understand writers feel this all the time right? Even William Gass said he felt like a horrible writer and hated his work until he redid it again and again.
Sometimes you get inspired and sometimes you have to work hard.

>>17195852
It depends how well the characters understand what's there. Can they open the cans or do they just seem like metallic cylinders? Do they know how to use the medical supplies?
What's the tone meant to be? Canticle for Leibowitz style where there's some humour in how we quickly understand what Brother Francis found but he doesn't? Is it BotNS style where Severian described things so metaphorically that we don't get the significance and relation to our own world straight away?

>>17196398
you should read zen and the art of motorcycle maintence

>>17196404
it's not just being bad anon. it's being slow. how much of my life do I really have to be a writer? If it takes me more than two years to write a book, why even bother trying to write a series. If I can't write the series, why even bother trying to write the first book. Two years of work have been wasted on something I could never follow through with, and now that I've seen how pointless it is, I'm not if it's more pathetic to quit or continue

Dear "Flavoranon",
I enjoyed not seeing your whining these last several months. Please consider its cessation.

> Kucifra. The Ciphrang-Emperor. Thought-dancer...!

>>17196446
you mean "the great cessation" by YOB, the extremely fitting music to the rebirth of mog pharou?

>>17195852
Like the third book of Mistborn?

>>17195842
>in class of 3,500
There are 14,000 person high schools?

>>17196495

>>17196524
Maybe they were less concerned about class size back then, that's what it says anyway.

>>17196539
>mog pharou
>mogs

bravo bakker.

I didn't imagine it looking like a literal egyptian sarcophagus though

>>17196524

>>17196511
yeah, kind of.

>>17196554
>>17196524
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_High_School_(California)
Seems to be total school size, but that's how it's phrased.

>>17196582
there are schools in america with over 5000 students

> describing "modern" artifacts in a "medieval" setting can work amazingly well if it's done right. the key is to describe the modern object in terms of how it would appear to medieval eyes.

Holding the golden coffer suspended just beyond the reach of his haloed hands, he came to ground on the Well’s western limit. Saubon held out his arms to restrain his Knights, then moved to follow his Lord-and-Prophet alone. The salt statue that had been Gwanwë clubbed his heart as he sprinted near, but the sight of Kellhus setting the golden receptacle upon the back of a dead Bashrag filled him with far more apprehension.
Never had Saubon seen him handle anything with such ghostly care.
It was not made of gold—he could see that now. It had the exhumed look of something drawn from crushing depth—it was chalked in whorls of dust and grit—and yet had not been scuffed, let alone bent, nicked, or dented. It was no larger than a dollhouse, but seemed larger for the piping that enclosed it—a scaffold that somehow held the interior cube without touching it. Eye-squinting filigree had been etched into almost every surface, geometric impressions that somehow jarred scrutiny. But nothing was so remarkable as the plate of polished obsidian forming the top of the receptacle, and the luminous characters scrolling both within and across “it—a kind of script inked in light.
Kellhus paid him no regard whatsoever. The maw of the Well smoked to his left, mere paces distant. The noon sun conjured transparent gowns of shadow from high-climbing tatters. “What is it?” the Exalt-General asked, knowing he need only speak for the man to hear. His Lord-and-Prophet looked to him, his manner catastrophic for the utter absence of expression.
Three heartbeats passed.
“An Inchoroi object,” Kellhus said, his voice no less miraculous for how it punctured the bottomless din. “A Tekne artifact.”
Saubon had to think to breathe, breathe to think. “The writing that glows upon it … What does it say?”
The Horde stole each and every one of these words.
The Holy Aspect-Emperor of the Three Seas stood, retreated a single pace as if to better appraise the thing. Though his eyes remained fixed on the receptacle, Saubon knew that he stared at nothing present before him.
“That not everyone can be saved,” Kellhus said.

>>17196596
the gps in prince of thorns is another example

also saubon was a bit of a bitch for getting mad at kellhus, kellhus couldn't save him and you'd assume if he's willing to fight his way to golgotterath he's willing to maybe die for it?

>>17196696
He thought his soul would be saved but he was just as damned as everyone else.

>>17196742
righto.

Bit of a dumbfuck for thinking that though, he was a cunt

Anyone want to talk about Rhythm of War?
I finished it last week and it was some real good shit. Really excited to see what happens in the 5th book.

>>17196766
There has been plenty of discussion of it in these threads and it's even had its own separate thread. Just look in the archive.
I'll get you started:
>>/lit/thread/S16913548

>>17196766
Another sanderfag? I thought had almost broken free of your kind's oppressive yoke.

I like Nynaeve

>>17196787
why the fuck would I want to use a board even slower than this one?
>>17196791
eat my ass nigger.

>>17196853
Sanderhack a shit, Sandertards get the rope

>>17196866
>oh no he likes something I don't like
>reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>17196882
You will get this kind of discussion in any general, I guess its worth reading any author that sparks a lot of conversation. Read Sanderson and read Bakker, make up your own mind. I'm currently reading WoT, Mistborn and Malazan so it will be a while before I get my hands on Bakker's works.

>>17196948
Haven't heard about Bakker but I guess I'll have to check him out.

I found WoT to be unreadable and boring as shit, but I love all of sanderson's stuff. Currently re-reading image related

>>17195756
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

>>17195756
Please don't post anime pictures or favorable comments about women. Thank you.

>>17196964
Its usually Bakker fanbois vs Sanderson fanbois.

They are both good authors and both have made into the sexual violence in fantasy books database https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/9nb57j/sexual_violence_in_sff_database_introduction_and/

>>17196982

>>17196845
>Update
I like how Jordan writes about Nynaeve's inner struggles, especially in book The Fires of Heaven.

>>17196983
lmfao what the fuck is that? Leave it to faggot ass redditors to ruin fucking everything.

Bakker's first name tho? Google search turned up the religion nut

Any fantasy novels with no women at all?

>>17196992
R. Scott Bakker, start with The Darkness That Comes Before I guess.

The point about the reddit database is that they help you choose the most based author AKA the one with most wide selection of sexual violence in the book series.

>>17196992
>lmfao what the fuck is that?
It's a compilation of authors who are based.

>>17197009
>>17197012
oh wow those faggots actually made something useful
I wonder how high Brent Weeks ranks.

Any books that have magic similar to the painted worlds of dark souls? Or something similar to those pocket realms hidden in art? I always thought the concept was very interesting and could have been explored further

> sexual violence
> based
what the fuck is wrong with you creeps

>>17197024
They have 13 different categories of sexual violence
Weeks checked 10/13 in the Night Angel and 7/13 in Lightbringer

>>17197045
Bakker got 11 so I'll be checking that shit out here soon
>>17197040
braincel

>>17196983
Interesting that like half the authors on the list are female

>>17196996
Are you that much gay?

>>17197053
A huge percentage of contemporary fiction aimed at women features rape as a core theme. I'm not going to draw any conclusions but it's definitely a trend.

>>17197039
Super Mario 64

>>17197054
I liked Moby Dick a whole lot so yeah I probably am that much gay. And also genuinely curious.

>>17197040
I don't think that it's good in itself, but I don't think trying to stop people from writing about it is good. I support absolute creative freedom in writing, and I would rather support writers who write freely about whatever they want to express, than writers who kowtow to the censorship mob.

>>17197053
Keep in mind the list does not only show authors with sexual violence in their books. List has all kinds of SFF books. There are even some series that have no sexual violence. Because the term sexual violence has been widened over the years it takes very little to get some tags on the series.

>>17197040
>>17197070
Also I think that if people are trying to stop a certain thing from begin expressed, then it's worthwhile to express it anyway just to spite them. If they don't want sexual violence, then it's worthwhile to write about it anyway, just so that they don't get their way.

>>17197080
Most fantasy books have murders, wars and other killing portrayed in them. Some people, most redditors I think, are in the habit of saying that rape is the worst thing that could happen, even worse than death. If you are going to portray of vast world with conflicts, evil, good and neutral characters with their virtues and vices its very hard to avoid the many forms of violence and also any time you have different sexes there will be sexual tensions.

>>17197080
Sex and violence can be tricky to integrate properly into a novel though, just doing it to be edgy or because you want to coom is often obvious and very grating. People should be able to write anything they want but they should also be informed when their decisions are dumb and harm their art.

>>17197090
That's up to them what they do and how. But I support anything that spites censorship proponents.

>>17197090

>>17195756
>who is your favorite female character in /sffg/ literature?

My gf desu

are there any light novels anyone has read that are interesting? thinking of trying the irregular at magic high school, also I've read the railgun manga which I recommend
>>17196978
based

>>17197090
>but they should also be informed when their decisions are dumb and harm their art.
But only when it's about rapes.
Reddit-tier logic.

>>17197110
The Emperor's Soul, unless you are against Sanderson.

>>17196853
>why the fuck would I want to use a board even slower than this one?

>>17196983
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf
>Loads and loads of rape, including a very graphic scene where the MC is gang-raped by a group of hyena shapeshifters (in hyena form).

>>17197121
I know

>>17197123
This is the writer. Maybe the whole scene is some kind of projection?

>>17197110
Mahouka is autistic because the author's understanding of international politics stopped at a middle school level.
I hope MC will fuck his sister someday

>>17197123
>>17197133
>nigger writes a book with tons of rape
really makes you think

>>17197142
every author who includes rape in their sff is now black

>>17197171
It matters why the rape is included in the books. Is just for bix nood or for some valid reason.

Can anyone recommend me a good book series about a modern or futuristic soldier surviving in a fantasy world?
Or any other fantasy where modern military training of MC matters for his survival and gives him an edge over aboriginal population. Sexual violence welcomed.

>>17197123
>hyena
male or female?

>>17197205
you may have to write it yourself anon.

“We are the dwindling light …” the Nonman King called in ritual invocation. “The darkling soul …”
“Walkers of the Ways Beneath.”
“Beseechers of Wisdom.”
“Haters of Heaven …”
“SONS OF FIRST MORNING …”
“ORPHANS OF LAST LIGHT.”

>>17197180
What's your take on the rape in Black Leopard, Red Wolf.

>>17196991
She's one of the best characters in the series. Her loyalty to Rand is also really heartwarming. Nearly every other Eamondsfielder is afraid of him or wants nothing to do with him, but Nynaeve never gave up on him.

>>17197237
>>17196596
How can you not cringe reading this stuff?

>>17197227
I don't mind to try, but I'm not native and my grammar sucks. I also didn't spend enough in army to be sure I can portrait your typical S.O. veteran properly.

>>17195864
dear lord oh mighty

>>17197325
sanderfag detected

>>17197039
Strange and Norrell

Are there any space opera series with some depth? Maybe some clever plotting that's not overly autistic? Decent writing?

I picked up Old Man's War and after finishing the third part there are some obvious issues.
The MC for 2 of these books is a 90 year old that thinks and speaks like a guy in his 30s at most. Is that what this faggot Scalzi imagines for the future of human kind?
Every alien race is nondescript and retarded. Technology gets to the point of ridiculousness. The second book is about a genius whose work is literally useless. All the alien races all speak the same language, practice the same religion.
The plot tries to be so clever and complex all the sequels are full of holes. And the third part is not even fun to read. Chapter after chapter of dumb made up politics, line after line of "They might do this", "I didn't know they would do that", "I thought they would do this". Everything is resolved conveniently through bullshit.
The best part of the series is not even about the philosophical layer that drags the whole plot down. It's about super soldiers doing fun shit, and even at that it's not that great.

Already read Hyperion and I'm never going to read WH40k or The Expanse. That Bujold series (Vorkosigan) looks endless. If it's a bit more grimdark than her Curse of Chalion I might read it.

>>17197381
Revelation Space

>>17197381
Padora's Star and Judas Unchained by Peter Hamilton. Writing is decent, lots of cool ideas, planets, aliens. Main antagonist is one of the better ones. Little autistic cause of one bimbo that everyone wants to fuck whenever they see her.

>>17195756
should i read dune?

>>17197381
Provided your definition of space opera extends beyond space battles and space politics Planet of Adventure/Tschai or Araminta Station

>>17196437
Well I suppose it's either you get to work or you don't man, idk what to tell you but you're not getting shit for free.

>>17196228
Patrician taste

>>17196766
I'm always down. I just finished the re-read last week with the wife in her first read. For me, I enjoyed the shit out of it for nothing more than the Navani/Raboniel arc because cosmere lore is some of my favorite shit. Adolin and Maya almost stole the whole book with the trial scenes. I also really enjoyed a lot of the minor/less featured characters getting some spotlight. And bestowable instantaneous shardplate is the dopest shit. Lots to love in the book, and as always every answer only yields more questions.

>>17197045
>Weeks checked 10/13 in the Night Angel
That sounds about right.

>>17197123
I unironically tried to read this before but couldn't get into it due to it reading like an old African fable.

>>17197428
Absolutely

>>17196228
She’s an uncanny bitch who will probably fuck up your loins.

>>17197206
doesn't matter, all hyenas have dicks

>>17197460
>bestowable instantaneous shardplate

seems like it will be an utter pain to write fight scenes with those since the plate would be constnatly moving around and protecitng people and it would just be pages and pages of that

SHUT UP SANDERFAGS!!!
Just shut up. I'll never read Sanderson book just because of you. Every thead is just Sanderfags. Many interesting questions are ignored here, but sanderfags keep sucking Sanderson's tiny mormon penis. Bakker's too. You've ruined them for me before I even start reading them. I hate you.

>>17197704
I don't think it'll get as carried away as all that. Since Kaladin is going to be participating in less of a combat role, I see bestowable shardplate as more of a powerup for those without than a battlefield tactic.
>>17197734
>REEEEEEEEEE HOW CAN I ENJOY THINGS IF YOU ENJOY THEM FIIIIIIIRRST
Eat shit hipster, nobody likes you. I'll sit and watch Bakkerfags throw together edits all day before I'll take your shit.

>>17197788
> I'll sit and watch Bakkerfags throw together edits all day before I'll take your shit.

Is this man writing the new bible? I am reading third book in the stormlight archives and he's literally writing kind of fantasy that most mythologies tend to fall in to some extent. Bigger then life in every sense. He's describing various virtues in depth, explains each of his point through various stories then goes in depth as to how to follow these ideals correctly. Finally he shows how this would benefit one and everyone. Is this okay?

This guy was a missionary for Mormon church and seems like to really believe what's he's writing. I've seen him talk about how he decided to write even if he never succeeded. He claims he'd been writing for a long time at that point and wasn't getting anywhere. But somehow it felt right to write even if he was unsuccessful. First ideal of his religion seems to be "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." It is one of more discussed ideas so far. And what seems interesting to me is how it's the first one and it is shared across hierarchies as it is there to safeguard rest of the ideals just like the first amendment.

On top of this he redefines what we consider reality like many eastern religions. He has lived in Asia if I'm remembering correctly. Quantum physics is part of his magic. Does he think he's a prophet or is it just me?

>>17197788
>>17197832
4ch will always gaslight anything worth doing. Take anything said here with a grain of salt. /vrpg/ ruined videogames for me. I won’t let /sffg/ ruin fantasy for me. Actually the fact that Sanderson and Bakker are so controversial here makes them worth reading.

>>17197851
>/vrpg/ ruined videogames for me
what happened there

>>17197850
First time I actually read the pasta. I think Stormlight portrays quite well the inner workings of a person of integrity.

Of course now someone will come here complaining about Sanderson. I am no fan of any author, I just like their books.

>>17197863
All gaslighting that happens in cRPG threads. Can’t enjoy Obsidian games anymore properly.

>>17197875
in all fairness wrpgs are fucken gay

>>17197885
Begone tasteless faggot

>>17197557
There's something really hot about Sorry
Probably all the murder

>>17197885
I am still inclined to believe that any anime, jrpg or anything related is only enjoyed ironically and only some kind of twisted autism and 10 years of living alone in a cellar would make a man really enjoy those things.

For me, those things are only an elaborate joke, a troll if you will.

Is Iain M. Bank's Culture series basically just Star Trek for grownups?

>>17197999
it's faggoty OH MY SPACE COMMUNISM AND OUR SCOUT SHIPS CAN BLOW UP 104124215421 PLANETS WE ARE SO POWERFUL BRO WE CAN DESTROY UNIVERSES

gay powerlevel shit

>>17197901
It's more like 99% of everything anime-themed is garbage or just ruined because of JP authors' onions mentality or their general ineptitude/infantility.
1% that is left is too damn hard to find and it often fails to attract investments or to pay off.
I see it everywhere from anime to WNs.

>>17197639
yes i know but i wanted to know if it was the real dick or the fake one

>>17197901
I used to like weeb shit so much but seeing it now just makes me cringe and get angry. It took a long time but I finally freed myself from it, though. You're right that there has to be something wrong with someone to like it, at least into adulthood. There was something wrong with me, certainly.

>>17198036
Can you get more out of yourself than faggoty and gay shit?

Why do people shit on Bakker’s characters so much?

They are not all bad. Do they dislike the drunken wizard and the hooker?

>>17198209
It’s not so much the characters that are bad. Proyas is a great character desu. . . it’s what he does with them. It’s the fact that everyone is constantly betraying, scheming, plotting, cucking, mind-controlling, raping, murdering, etc with practically no sense of genuine empathy or care in the series (except the abstract ‘saving the world’). The only genuine friendship in the entire seven books is Sorweel X Zsoronga. And of course we find out the white luck warrior is literally built for BZC.. It’s hard to relate to Bakker’s characters because they lack all sense of friendship, love, true heroism. Akka is a paragon of self-sacrifice for muh World, but his relationship with Mim is strange and his “Boohoo Dunyain took my girl” thing gets so tedious after 2000+ pages.

I just like Kellhus because it’s interesting to read about a 900 IQ sociopathic God-Emperor. But Bakker fails to make me like anyone else. Sorweel is okay, but he’s mostly a vehicle for narration. I like the Nonmen, but they’re bit parts desu. The Imperial family stuff was pretty tedious and autistic desu. Bakker just lacks the special touch with characters that Tolkien, Leguin and (yes) GRRM have. I think it’s the biggest glaring weak spot in all of Bakker’s work. That lack of humanity, lack of warmth.

>>17196983
Nice. I was looking for references on what to read next.

What does /sffg/ think about rational fiction?

https://old.reddit.com/r/rational/
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RationalFic
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/100705.Rational_Fiction
https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/q79vYjHAE9KHcAjSs/rationalist-fiction

>>17198369
That’s because kellhus and proyas got all of akkas friends killed in warrior prophet

>>17197851
>I won’t let /sffg/ ruin fantasy for me
Crossboarders only grow more and more obnoxious as they ruin everything they touch. May not ruin it but there sure ain't a place to discuss fantasy or sci-fi anywhere anymore on the internet.

>>17198527
Only an autist reads fiction and wishes characters acted like robots

>>17198369
you forgot about Zin

>>17198599
that being xinemus

>thought mekeritrig was spelt and prononuced mekketerig (mc like mcdonaldsall this time


anyone else have this problem?

>>17198624
fuck *meketerig(mc as in mcdonalds, ket as in ketamine,)

>>17197428
its a neat novel at times but don't expect anything amazing; personally I was oversold and don't plan on continuing the series

>>17198591
Autists need fiction too.

>>17195756
>finished reading all 21 Foreigner books
>with this I have gone through the whole CJ Cherryh bibliography
what the fuck do I read now? It's been so long I don't even remmeber what i was reading before

Finished Children of the Mind, which concludes the original Ender series. This was really the second half of Xenocide, which had to be split into two books, so much of it is spent resolving the issues from Xenocide. As strange as these two books are I think they eventually were able to deliver a fitting conclusion to the story of Ender, resolving all of the drama from Speaker for the Dead as well as the psychological issues that have plagued him since Ender's Game. I got a little misty-eyed at the end, even. "The road goes on without him now" indeed. I'd like to continue with the Ender's Shadow series but I'm going to take a while to read some other authors before that so I don't get burned out on Card. Sometimes he's a little too long-winded for me.

>>17195864
MOGGED

>>17197999
I thought it was a dystopian story about a damned civilization of degenerates until I realized that it wasn't supposed to be a horror series.

>>17198995
cowtits are disgusting

>>17198527
If I wanted to read the cringescribblings of a mentally ill Jew I'd go back to Marx. Yudkowsky isn't just a brainless degenerate, he's also a hack.

>>17199034
Don't be jelly.

>>17198960
Also, to anyone who maybe read Ender's Game and then decided not to continue the series: give it a try. While Ender's Game is like a YA novel, the rest of the series is not, and while Ender's Game is backbone of it, the rest of the series picks up 3,000 years later and deals with some very different problems, in much greater depth. As interesting as Ender's Game was at times, with the Battle Room mechanics, it was quite weak on a character level and never delved much into the philosophical and moral underpinnings of the conflicts going on. I think it's really the weakest point of the series, though I may be a minority in that view.

>>17197381
CJ Cherryh's Alliance-Union universe. It's not a saga but all novels are somewhat connected. Downbelow Station is the most well known book taking place in it

>>17196845
Teach me your secret ways.

>>17199185
Was it hard for you to like Nynaeve?

>>17195756
How far away is VR and neural implants from making sex with anime girls seem real? In my lifetime? PLEASE???!?!?!?!

>>17199263
Very far. Now excuse me, I have to sign a 100 million dollar bill for reparations to Israel

>>17199326
RESOURCE ALLOCATION AHHHhhhh

>>17195756
What's the order one should read the works of Terry Pratchett in? If at all I guess.

>>17199453
you choose which set of characters to follow (witches, guards etc) and read the books that have them

>>17196996
The Hobbit

Whenever I read Bakker's work, I'm always left in awe of his vocabulary. It makes me feel like a fucking brainlet that he has so much variety to his description, so much awareness to make the setting feel realistic.

I both am left in awe and pity Bakker. Awe because it's obviously impressive. He knows how to paint a picture and he definitely has a deep thesaurus in his head.

Pity because that's not how you garner readers, and the books will never be too successful because the diction alone will scare people off.

>>17195769
She cute

Redpill me on this Bakker. Why should I read him? Why not?

>>17199453
Read the first post.

>>17199738
based post but also a little cringe

>>17199759
you should read all kinds of books, read Bakker's first book and decide if you want to continue

>>17199759
1. good worldbuilding
2. not pozzed but not incel
3. grimdark af\
4. prose is fucking godtier, but quite psycadehlic, especially in the later books

https://rsbakker.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/crash-space-tpb.pdf

here's a short story he wrote to get a sense of his writing style

>>17199738
there was a word he used in the nonmen mansion that meant black and white (r.e shadows and shit) had never see nthat one before


........................


I was there, Master …” Proyas said. “I saw. No one could have saved Serwë!”

Kellhus held him in the clasp of endless engines.

“Do you mean her life, or her soul?”

The nets of muscle sheathing him flexed into the sigil of horror.

“Does it trouble you, Proyas?”

And he was shadow-play, his disciple, the light of cosmic enormities bent small across the surface of a tear. He was an oak leaf, riding the yaw and twizzle of drafts, hanging above the rumour of whirlwinds …

A glimpse through the aperture we confuse for life …

“D-does what … what trouble me?”

He was anything but a Man.

“To know that Serwë burns in Hell.”

>>17199130
Shadow of Ender is the best book in the series

>>17199905
>The nets of muscle sheathing him flexed into the sigil of horror.
>D-does

thank you for letting me know i do not need to read anything else from this author

>mfw reading the chapters where the Inrithi march through Carathay desert in TWP

>>17200022
>mfw reading WoT and nothing is happening

Are Gene Wolfe's short stories worth reading? I wanted to read more of him but I hear that they aren't that good compared to his novels.

>mfw world is already full of good and based literature which allows you to avoid all SJW shit forever
>so much good literature you won't be able to read it all in your lifetime

>>17198369
>didn't like Cnaiur

>>17200108
Try reading one. If it is short story then I guess the answer comes pretty quickly.

>>17200019
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT PLEASE AT LEAST READ THE SHORT STORY I POSTED

>>17200108
they're mostly pretty bad, okay at best. he's my favorite author, but i can't stand his short stories. just reread one of his novels and you'll get more out of it.

>>17198369
wlw would have owned kellhus if it wasn't for kelmo

>Her neck felt good in his hand, like that of a cat or a feeble dog. It reminded him of the days of pilgrimage in his other life, when he had strangled those he raped. Even still, he had no need of her, so he released his grip, watched her stumble backward then topple, skirts askew, across the black floor.
>The great-limbed man sagged to his knees. “I can’t seeeee!” he at once whispered and wailed. “I-haven’t-the-courage-I-haven’t-the-courage …” He shook silently for several more moments, then became very still. When he next spoke, his voice was thick, but eerily disconnected from what had racked him only moments before. It was the voice of the old Xinemus, and it terrified Achamian.

>>17200120
>A sudden awareness of himself and his environment struck Cnaiür. It was as though he saw himself from far away, a cringing man huddled next to the body of a horse, surrounded by ever-widening circles of dead. Even these images triggered recriminations. What kind of thoughts were these? Why must he always think one thought too many? Why must he always think?
>tfw

>>17197460
I really think that book 5 will be happening at the same time as book 4 but maybe have something about Rock and his adventures at the Horneater peaks.
Overall, the last 10 days has me spooked something fierce. Could he really stretch a whole book into 10 days? I wouldn't put it past him desu.

And Fuckin Taravangian. God damn. What kind of implications does that have? It doesn't seem like the motivations of Odium have changed, but the methods may have.

And what the fuck is going on with Cultivation? Why did she help Taravangian kill Raise? So man questions.

>>17200381
10 days in a book is easy, there are days of travel and stuff, i'm assuming they lose and have to fight the other shards for odium or something, kinda like space force, otherwise what will the next 5 book arc be? they can't have a 1000 year time skips becasuse all the characters will be dead. ghostbnloods and shiet are in it for a reason

>>17200417
>>17200381
I wish people used these

>>17200431
desu neither of those posts are much spoilers at all

>>17200381
>maybe have something about Rock and his adventures at the Horneater peaks.
I thought that was going in the novella he's writing right now. The way things are going, I'm gonna be let down if we don't see some crazy interplanetary warfare before the end of it. Shardbearers fighting allomancers or something.

is Earthsea children's lit? >>17200489

The ease with which these words fell from her lips was nothing short of nightmarish. One breath and these men, these piteous fools, would die in torment. A breath that could have been used for anything: a moan of pleasure, a gasp of surprise, a word of mercy …

This, she understood, was power: the translation of word into fact. She need only speak and the world would be rewritten. Before, her voice could conjure only custom, ragged breaths, and quickened seed. Before, her cries could only forestall affliction and wheedle what small mercies might come. But now her voice had become that mercy, that affliction.

>>17199905
It's actually sort of perplexing why Serwe is damned and Esmenet apparently isn't.

Does anyone here have read the Celestine chronicles? Is it a decent coomer read?

>>17197401
Hope it's not a meme.
>>17197437
Nice. Haven't read any mainstream SF from Jack Vance.
>>17199183
>>17197404
Thanks

Are cyberpunk novels from the 80s-90s worth revisiting? The game has me interested in the genre.

>>17200812
novels are 99 % of the time better than games

>>17200812

>>17196306
lmao

Why One piece is a success and not stormlight archive?

>>17201025
because Nami has beeg BOOBA

>>17200518
Yes and no, kids can read and enjoy it (I read it around age 11, same as LotR) but adults can enjoy it and gain insight from it too.

>finish Bakker
>finish Wolfe
>other fantasy novels just won't do
Bros what the fuck, you ruined the genre for me

>>17199738
I mean he’s also super repetitive
> (verb) for (noun/gerund)
> (zingy line.) (Zingy line repeated with exclamation mark!)
> rutting
> black seed
> arched/hooked/strung
> his face was a mask of (hard metal)
> repetition of catch phrases (Curse Likaro, clack clack, etc.)
> nothing in his world is truly original, everything is directly jacked from
LotR, Dune, the Bible, and then just “flipped” to make it “disturbing”
I swear he needs to find other words to describe nonmen besides “porcelain” “statuesque” and “marmoreal.” He may be a bit of a hack, but at least he’s a better writer than 90% of fantasy authors.

>>17201193
Filtered

>death came swirling down

>she crossed her arms beneath her breasts

>>17196539
WHAT DO YOU SNEED

>>17201608
>breasts

>>17201025
One piece had a much wider audience since most kids like cartoons but only some adults like fantasy. In addition, cartoony characters are significantly better at making a lasting impression on a fan and one piece had that in spades.

>>17201699
NYNAEVE'S BREASTS

>>17199226
It's not hard, it's downright impossible.

WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>>17201627
> black sneed

>>17201783
>this world is a feed store

>>17201774
But I like my women complicated, strong and a little bit bitchy.

>>17200933
Thanks
>>17200878
I believe it, Planescape Torment is the only game I've played that can match a novel

Can you guys recommend some good fantasy or scifi that isnt dude classic you have to read it tier, I just want to have fun and didn't read anything good since Three Body Problem and Kvothe novels

>>17201792
kek you beat me to it

>>17201847
>recommend me good stuff
>dont recommend stuff that is widely known to be good
just pick a book from the OP

>>17201847
If you're trying to find obscure books that no one has read so you sound "cool" when asked about books, you're gonna find a lot of generic garbage that doesn't compare to the dudebroclassics that you're so desperately avoiding.

They're classics for a reason.

Ask the same question about movies. There's a reason only, like, four cowboy movies are remembered fondly.

>>17201780
Mog-Pharau reborn as a hulking, steel-gray.... floofy kitty?

>>17201847
you are looking for Chronicles of Amber

>>17200648
Anyone?

>>17201792
> i seed the fields.....
> and sneed them.

>>17201872
>>17201897
yes very nice, your lists have Dune, The Name of the Wind and Mistborn ranked under Shit categories. talking about edgy,,

>>17201953
and Gene Wolfe as best, next to LOTR. i liked the New Sun but its hardly enjoyable, it doesnt even have a plot structure or character POV that makes you want to find out more, sorry but your lists are edgy as fuck.

>>17201953
>your lists have Dune, The Name of the Wind and Mistborn ranked under Shit categories
at least two these belong there, though

>>17201961
>>17201953
filtered pleb. go back

>>17201847
Greg Egan is the greatest and hardest science fiction author of all time, but he is sadly underrated and excluded from all the "classic" lists and awards. Try pic related if you want to get your mind blown, or "Crystal Nights" if you want to try Egan without committing to a full novel:

https://archive.is/3mb6V

>>17201992
I might read either this or The Reality Dysfunction

>>17201953
>/Lit/ is one person

> Kyraneans = not-Greeks
> Nansur = not-Romans/HRE
> Shigek = not-Egyptians
> Galeoth = not-Gauls
> Ce Tydonn/Thunyerus = not-Germanic tribes
> Conriya, High Ainon = not-Persia/Sassanids/Ottomans
> Kian = not-Araby
> Nilnamesh = not-India
> Zeüm = not-Africa
> Jekkia = not-Turkics
> Scylvendi = not-Mongols/Easterlings
> Sakarpus = not-Rohan

How'd I do? Also, does Bakker have a single original idea in his mind other than le black seed?

>>17202123
Is anything 100% original?

>>17200381
Current baseless suppositions about Cultivation and her shenanigans:
I think Cultivation has been playing the long con from the start. After she and Honor threw their lot in with the humans instead of the listeners, Cultivation realized where the humans loyalties were shifting as they began to build an entire religion centered with Honor as Almighty (Vorinism). This weakens her grasp on Roshar as she becomes secondary to Honormighty's supremacy in the eyes of men, SO SHE SCHEMED WITH OLDIUM TO DETHRONE/KILL HONOR. I think this had some serious unintended consequences leading to the recreance, but it allowed her to keep from being driven from Roshar by Honor worship. Seeing that this is a huge win for Odium, Cultivation begins sowing seeds for her own manipulation using the Nightwatcher's valley and boon/burden gimmick to empower small players of her own in secret to move against Oldium, paving the way for the power shift at the end of RoW. I think this power shift, through the oldest laws that govern Shards of Adonalsium, will give Cultivation some leverage against Odium in the final battle that will allow her to set herself up as the proper God of all the listeners and give any disgruntled fused an out from serving Odium.

>>17202123
Scylvendi are clearly sarmatian-scythians you fucking retard
>DUHHH DEY RIDE HORSES DEY BE MONGOLS xDD
you stink of reddit, filth

>>17202107
/lit/ as a person
>recommends Dune
>is a Bakker hating Sandersoy
>is a Sanderson hating Bakkerboi
>could not finish WoT
>either tells you Wolfe is the best author or has not read any of his works yet
>does not post with anime girl pics
>does not use discord
>likes boobies
>only picks books/series that have atleast 7/13 in following link https tinyurl com basedbooks

redpill me on sanderson for real, is his prose good? do his books contain retarded reddit mages and shit?

>>17202156
Idk how they compare but the mongols cavalry relied on mounted archers shooting light bows.
Read it a long while ago but I definitely got the impression at some battle scene there were not-Mongols because they were maneuvering and shooting the fuck out of not-Crusaders. Can't remember the name of the tribe/faction though, which is why I'll be rereading it soon.

>>17195756
Matilda

>>17202284
you tard, you absolute fool
mounted archers are the hallmarks of ALL pastoralist horse-people
scythian-sarmatians

>>17202242
Its fine, start with way of kings

>>17202331
yeah but is it good tho

>>17202123
>black seed
>original
>>17179463

Speaking of, are there any good books with a character like Alita (from the mango, not so much the OVA and movie).

Ever since I finished the mangas I’ve wanted more and thought it would be nice if there was something similar in /lit/ form.

>>17202242
His prose is OK. It works for what it's used for and he doesn't try to make it beautiful or genre defining, just workable. Nobody can say in good faith they "read Sanderson for the prose". However, if you find interspersed usage of clearly modern-sounding slang a deal breaker, you're going to hate it.

>>17202382
g o. b a c k.

>>17202014
Start with Quarantine.

Does Dragonriders of Pern hold up?

>>17202419
I thought my question was relatively inoffensive.

>>17202532
No, but if you're a gril into animal empathy then it's a must-read.

>>17202242
Workmanlike is the best description
He gets the job done

His big innovation was copying magic from shonens instead of the western fantasy tradition

>>17202338
People will always ask if some prose is good. How about you pirate ebook to see if the prose is good? Then buy the book if it is good.

But I reckon most of these people asking if the prose is good don’t even know
>what prose is
>what is a good prose

They just hear things like
>author A has good prose
>author B has bad prose
And so the gaslighting has tainted another one.

>>17202568
prose always was outerlits way of saying they liked something

>>17202242
Read pic related first.

Starting the Earthsea series today. What am I in for?

>>17195993
Possibly The Expanse? I've been watching the Amazon series (because I've heard it improves on the books), but I've heard good things about the books too.

>>17202568
just answer the question you pedantic nerd

>>17202555
>having empathy for animals is girl-like
ok tranny psychopath

>>17202575
I have read the Knight but not the Wizard, I liked its weird dark tone and having to unravel the identity of various spirits and gods etc. Also Wolfe has a good feeling for the day to day lives of pre-modern people and portrays poor people empathetically like Dickens does. Saint Michael showing up out of nowhere was pretty based. Was the giant griffin that Abel rode at the end a Yahweh Griffin or an Angel or something?

>>17202382
what's wrong with the OVA?

>>17202598
so are you a vegan or what

>>17202568
Retard.

>>17202623
not him, but
> Yes.

>>17202587
>series
I just finished the first book and it was swell, probably the first book I've read in awhile that's a part of series that tempts me to continue it

>>17202623
Cope tranny, I bet you think bestiality is ok you deformed freak.

>>17202588
Read the book or any book. Why should I care. It is clear you wouldn’t recognise good prose. Read more and perhaps you will.

>>17202419
you first, redditor

>>17202598
Not what I said, jerkmate.

>>17202653
tranny

>>17202626
Oh please do share your humble opinion stranger.

>>17202663
I could throw you through a wall.

>>17202618
The Wizard's finale is exceptional, definitely finish it.

The Griffin is closely associated with divinity in medieval heraldry and art.

>>17202623
>>17202653
You will never be a woman.

How does Joe Abercrombie hold up, /sffg/? Never read anything by him. He looks retarded...

>>17202672
fucing based

>>17202672
Depends on the wall. Brick? Probably not. Please stop coping.

>>17202673
Is Mythgarthr just our world in the past or future or something

>>17202618
>>17202673
>The Wizard's finale is exceptional, definitely finish it.
This, the cosmology all comes together. It's a great payoff

>the go back, tranny namecalling chat is back on
You faggots are not fooling anyone. You hardly read and just shill the 2 or 3 books you liked.
Go back to Discord instead of killing the thread faster.

read the first half of The Darkness That Comes Before today, holy shit its so good. Definitely exceeds my expectations.

>>17202704
another bakkerfag is born from the unholy topos that is /sffg/

>>17202674
>>17202662
you wanna repeat last nights conversation where I asked if you want to see my cock?

>>17202701
tranny lol

> tfw you will never sign 7,000 copies of your novel in a two-day mass-signing event
https://twitter.com/BrandSanderson/status/1323446071670968320?s=20

>>17202704
based

I am reading Gardens of the Moon and I can say the same thing.

>>17202677
I liked the initial First Law book with Logan Nine Fingers and that inquisitor dude but lost it before I could finish it
then I read that short story about the macguffin getting passed around a city by theives and it was typical stronk female lesbian protagonist shit

>>17202709
go back to reading tranny trannyson and dilate pls

> tfw you will never be a famous fantasy author who gains many thousands of views from your adoring reddit fans of your 2-hour stream of you playing a boring ass game of minecraft.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/857253336

>>17202733
thanks for the reminder, it's nice to have frens that care about the health and wellness of my neo-vagina :3

>>17202758
neo-vagina sounds like a rapist monster from a bakker book kek

Bros, give me the final, ultimate redpill on Wheel of Time.
I know that Wheel of Time is an older series so it probably will not be tainted by any disgusting reddit shit, but is it actually worth reading and experiencing or is it just overhyped by dudes who were excited to have a 16 book series to waste time on about wizards and shit.

>>17202622
Not much really, it and the movie just took a lot of liberties with the source material adding in new characters and changing the story up.

>>17202733
Just curious. Is it something in Sandersons’ books that attracts trannies or do trannies just happen to like Sanderson for whatever reason?

>>17202789
They are encoded with tranny reddit humor and tranny vocabulary and grammer, certain users here are infected with the same thing. A canny man can spot the trannys in his midst.

>>17202789
they're anime and trannies are attracted to anime

>>17202777
I don't know anyone who overhypes it. I think the general opinion is that it's a big, broad series with problems. If you've got lots of time, if you read for breadth, if your time is worthless, go for it. It has lots of good parts and some great parts. If you find yourself pressed for time to read through the week, and only want to pick home runs, don't do it.

>A canny man can spot the trannys in his midst.
glorious

>>17202798
Examples?

>>17202800
I don't watch anime but it's just rude to do this on an anime website. You're like the girl in that girls ruin everything comic. Don't ask the site to change just because you got here and didn't like part of it.

Do people actually read sci-fi and fantasy just because it is sci-fi and fantasy? I do not understand this. I like reading books I like, they might be novels, historical fiction, science-fantasy etc.

>>17202896
I do. I read all sorts of books, but genre hits a button. Sometimes I want that fix and I'll take a bad fantasy I can barely get through over good /lit/ that I love for life.

>>17202852
its a meme you dipshit

Casual reminder that, beside the character of Sand Dan Glokta, the First Law trilogy is complete and utter trash.

>>17203020
who is this leprous whore

>>17202977
why would you read something bad

>>17203020
Dogman and West were pretty based

>>17203032
sometimes I'll smash a 200 page throwaway simply because its in a genreshit I've never tried before

>>17202789
Seems like projection to me. I have a penis, love Sanderson, and you still couldn't pay me to "be" a woman. Who would volunteer for that?

>>17203023
Careful

>>17203079
I could destroy her with one leg.

>>17200381
Taravangian is the best thing about SLA and the main reason to keep reading.

>>17202977
Author has a take on something I'm interested in, doesn't pull it off but it's still an interesting take.

>>17203095
Oops, meant for >>17203032

>>17203020
Hard agree. I got through the first book due to how good that one character is and even then couldn't continue.

>>17203079
is she a pornstar?

>>17203020
>>17203079
so this is the frightening power of make-up?

>>17203168
Booktuber, so similar.

someone Bakke the new bread

>you'll never be Katie's little tampon baby boy

The threads have been reaching completion much faster with all the spamming. It used to take 3 days.

>>17203542
ur mom took 3 days

>>17203554
For what?

>>17201608
i honestly think jordan adds "breasts" to awaken the reader.
finding this chapter a bit longwinded? well here's a mental image of arms being pressed against squishy breasts, which pushes them up and deepens the cleavage.
there, got your attention.

>>17204092
NEW THREAD
>>17204092
NEW THREAD
>>17204092
NEW THREAD

>>17202532
>>17202555
Her Harper Hall books were better