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The resident christcucks will seethe but yes that's a based trajectory. What are you metaphysical beliefs looking like at the moment?

>>17183168
and what did you learn?

>>17183168
> Am I on the Based track of life?
Yes, check out Spinoza, Wittgenstein, Michelstaedter and Buddhism if you haven’t as well.

>>17183168
>marx
Kill yourself. Also, I hope you're 12, because if it took you any longer than that to reject Christianity you're a brainlet.

>>17183200
Cringe

>>17183168
I doubt you were able to properly understand all of those thinkers given the timeframe that you've given us.

>>17183189
Plenty. I was completely entrenched in TradCath/Traditionalist thinking and made countless of posts on here and elsewhere, defending the position. My awakening occurred with the reading of Greek Mythology, particularly a course by the great classical scholar Elizabeth Vandiver who, in defining the word “mythology”, absolutely obliterated my belief in Abrahamism. Vandiver posits that “mythology” is a word which is highly dependent on context. The Greeks never regarded their mythos as “mythology”, they weren’t seen as bedtime stories as we regard them today. Only by standing outside the boundaries of that particular society can we view these stories as myth. Now imagine if you weren’t born in the west or in a western influenced society, and had to view the Abrahamist from the outside. The Abrahamist stories would be indistinguishable from the Greek in terms that they both would be viewed as nothing more than myths.

I then read Hegel, Heidegger and Nietzsche and it was pretty much sealed it. No one can take the path I have taken, understand what they have read, and still remain a Christian on the other side.

>>17183216
I haven’t, nor did I claim to. I’m still reading them intensely, but their main philosophical positions are not that hard to grasp

>>17183168
yikes

>>17183200
You know that reading Marx doesn’t make you a Marxist, right? Marx’s critique of Capitalism was absolutely correct, but because I’m anti-egalitarian I hate Marxism (and leftism) with a passion

>>17183326
>if you remove things from their surrounding cultural/sacred context they just become stories
Whoa what a profound revelation. Everything is, just, like, relative man. If that btfo'd your faith you never had it to begin with

>caring about rejecting Christianity after 1960

What is it with you people? Where are you coming from or where do you live? Are you rural Americans? Who still gives a shit about Christianity in this day and age?

>>17183168
>I rejected a community of millions and this namedropping made me do it
woah

>>17183168
>Am I on the Based track of life?

nope

>>17183350
Based and truthpilled. Taking part of the knowledge of a certain person or group doesn't have to brainwash you like these insecure beta Marxist kids that you see.

>>17183469
That’s the whole point of Hegel. Knowledge from different perspectives can be synthesized into something better, Marx was an absolutely brainlet on human biology and the inherent differences between people and their abilities.

>>17183369
Yeah that was the thing that fordid your faith OP? That's like a Dawkins debate argument lol.

>>17183564
It was the thing that set the wheels in motion buddy. I could write an essay on this but I have no interest in demoralizing Christians or turning people away from their faith. All I can say is that I see no reason to believe in Jewish tales today. It amazes me how Abrahamism managed to replace the splendor that was Greek Mythology and that somehow people are okey or indifferent to this.

Recent development (last few years):
>right wing conservative, tried to accept religion on the basis on utility
>realize that utility is totally stupid to believe anything, slowly begin to move to the left
>realize that the right denies climate change solely because of oil billionaires, move further left
>pandemic starts, realize the right denies that too because they’re quite literally addicted to consumption, move even further left
>realize that much of economics is entirely subjective and little more than a useful illusion, realize that power is little else but guilt + violence, and that much of religion is based around this, move into anarchism
>realize that much of the ancient culture I’ve always admired, which was much of the reason why I became a conservative in the first place, is completely being eroded by a meaningless consumer culture that is literally eating the planet and everyone on it, realize that Adorno was mostly right
And that’s pretty much it right now

>>17183629
You didn’t go right enough. Environmental concerns are wholly in line with right wing thinking:

https://youtu.be/0Sbr2gonz-M

>>17183647
Hierarchy is cringe and tradition is just an expensive word for ‘precedence’. I was a conservative, not a reactionary. I’m not some coper who thinks you can travel back in time

>>17183629
What's with all these Leftist faggots who think Neoconservatives (I.E Liberals) are 'the Right'?
>>17183689
>Hierarchy is cringe
I can already tell you're one of those chapotrannies that watched a Jordan Peterson video once then pretends that some breadtube transvestite 'deradicalized' them into being an ancom

>>17183168
>Heraclitus
Plato
>Goethe
Blake
>Hölderlin
Novalis
>Marx
Weil
>Wagner
Baudelaire
>Nietzsche
Kierkegaard
>Wilde
Huysmans/Bloy
>Heidegger
Heidegger was Catholic, read him again.
>Deleuze
Girard
>Land
my diary
>Jorjani
literally who? forget him
Thank me later for making you a Christian again.

>>17183168
>intellectual result
>lists a bunch of authors he's read instead of an actual intellectual feat

>>17183168
>Jorjani
Based and spectral-pilled

>>17183701
And I can already tell you’re a seething tradcuck who honestly thinks that optics will fool everyone in thinking you’re not a nazi

>>17183168
they literally are all antithetical to eachothers philosophies, wtf did you even set out to question? wtf is this to do with christianity? wtf did you believe in the first place that was debunked by heraclitus? wtf op

>>17183711
>some worthless smoothbrains will think you're (state-approved political slur designating you as the enemy) for not chopping your balls off and cheering as they flood your country with scab labour
A bloo bloo bloo

>>17183761
You sound very triggered, mr “”””””Christian nationalist race realist insert nazi synonym here””””””””””

>>17183704
Based

>>17183774
You're trying to hard, go dilate

>>17183785
>dilate
Almost as dated as the vaporwave aesthetic of the intros of the agitprop you watch

>>17183799
Yeah that's why it's cool. It's called vaporwave.

>>17183168
>intellectual
>Marx
Pick one, pseud.

>>17183628
You were never a real Christian

>>17183350
>>17183469
Reading Marx almost immediately put me at odds with most Marxists right off the bat. I don’t know another philosopher that has such a strong cult of personality that seethes at the actual things the guy said.

>>17183813
It isn’t. It’s boring and predictable, much like ‘Buy my Alpha Dawg pills/Renaissance Man self-improvement program’

>>17183799
It's funny how you're creating this silly fictional caricature in your head of what we are when it's an objective fact that you're either a tranny or a dysfunctional, hormonally wrecked 'male' that would have been a third gender cocksleeve in ancient times

>>17183168
>>Deleuze>Land>Jorjani
That went to shit real fast.

>>17183834
If it's so boring and predictable then why do so many people buy into it?

>>17183838
>hormonally wrecked 'male' that would have been a third gender cocksleeve in ancient times
That's actually an accurate description. How do I become a real man?

>>17183168
Non-dualist universalist Christian

>>17183168
Cringe, but loving your pic, thank you very much

>>17183838
>I know what you are but what am I
Right wing intellectualism, everyone

>>17183847
Because vulnerable people tend to make bad decisions

>>17183847
Same reason people click those links for making your dick bigger

>>17183738
That’s not how philosophy works anon. All philosophers say some kernel of truth, read Hegel ffs

>>17183843
>t. Someone who has not read Jorjani

>>17183168
Based.
>Am I on the Based track of life?
If you want any evidence just look at the seethe you caused ITT.

>>17183975
Wtf has hegal to do with truth? Are telling me you are a pantheist or an athiest?

>>17183326
I can’t believe I take what anyone on this board says seriously if this is the tier of their thinking.

>>17183168
Rejected philosophy as a whole, and began body building and going out to speak to strangers in public.

I have gotten more pussy in 3 months, than the rest of my entire life

>>17184773
Based.

>>17183168
what jacket is that?

also jorjani. based

>>17183326
Wew lad, if that's all it takes to convince you, you probably didn't have a very solid understanding of Christianity or theology to begin with. I also am ex-Christian, but this is a literal 8th-grade tier realization and can be easily explained. You're not a real atheist if someone can debunk your reasons for being an atheist. Think harder, dude, and talk to some smarter religious people -- they'll make you more certain of your atheism, if you can identify the flaws in their reasoning (which will be much more sophisticated than what you've provided here...)

Are you underage?

>>17183371
Immigrants still have religion my dude

>>17183168
What’s the pic from?

>>17183326
So you’re revelation was relativism? You literally had to imagine a scenario completely contrary to reality and you think that gave you some profound insight to reality. Sorry my man but I just really don’t understand this.

>>17184773
most philosophy is irrelevant for most people, based

>>17183168
>>17183326
>>17183629
Threads like this make me realize how stupid the average /lit/ poster is.
Is this the stupidest board? I know there are some real retards on /pol/, but this is just embarrassingly bad.

>>17185075
We know Anon. You’re the only enlightened and intelligent person.

>read Martin Fierro
>life is short but good
>start to care about your friends and family
>shit is good

>>17183689
>>17183799
Cringe. I can agree that christkikes and religion are garbage, but denying hierarchies is dumb. They are completely natural and deserve a purpose.

>>17185862
No, sorry, it isn’t. Hierarchies are not destiny. Many times they’re imposed, and don’t come about naturally. Also, many of the core ideals of the west, such as freedom of speech, democracy and the abolishment of slavery are built around the very opposite of hierarchy

>>17184368
I’m saying that philosophy is a process of thesis>antithesis>synthesis

>>17185862
>t. Juden Peterberg

I stagnated years ago. I'm becoming an old man set in my ways.

>>17183168
Weird I embraced Christianity after leaving it for several years.
One in, one out I guess.

>>17185893
>Many times they’re imposed, and don’t come about naturally.
>Implying animals don't impose as well.
>Implying imposing isn't a natural thing
Again those two term aren't mutually disjoint. They can perfectly work together.
>democracy and the abolishment of slavery
>Implying those are good things
>>17185967
>t. butthurt tranny.

>>17186156
>>Implying those are good things
God you’re stupid. Also, way to go all naturalistic fallacy, I see you’re one of the initiated lobsters

>>17183326
Thanks for outlining it. How do we deal with the reactionary tradcaths who shit up threads here? I don't even mind religion but the "alpha redpill" Christians here clearly need some kind of help

>>17186208
>God you’re stupid. Also, way to go all naturalistic fallacy,
Democracy is definitely bad. Is the tyranny of the retards. Read the Greeks(Plato, Aristotle and Socrates), many of them hated democracy. The slavery part was mostly a joke. Don't take it too seriously lmao.
>Muh naturalistic fallacy
I love how you faggots adore to namedrop this shit. Just because something is natural and is wrong according to "x" moral system doesn't mean has not reason to exist or a logic behind it. Hierarchies in a pratical and evolutionary sense work really well.
>I see you’re one of the initiated lobsters
I only believe in empirical science. I more of a Darwinist. I don't like Jordan Memerson or any psychologist.

>>17186373
>Democracy is definitely bad.
That must be why the most developed countries are run by it, because it sucks so bad
>I love how you faggots adore to namedrop this shit.
And I love how retards like you constantly namedrop various species of animals into discussions about how to order society, when many of those species don’t cooperate or communicate in the wildly complex ways humans can, making any appeal to nature completely retarded
>I more of a Darwinist.
Considering your retardation, you’re more of a social Darwinist

>>17183200
Massive cringe and L.

>>17186291
Clearly it’s you and OP who need help if your trajectory is the same as his. Both of you are utter brainlets

>>17186777
>Clearly it’s you and OP who need help
lel I was raised without religion like my father and his father before him. sorry you got circumcized, maybe you'll be reincarnated into an intelligent family though? Amen

>>17186442
>That must be why the most developed countries are run by it, because it sucks so bad
That argument is plainly retarded. Just because democracy "works" in developed countries doesn't mean is ideal or the only solution. There are many flaws in democracy and its design.
>And I love how retards like you constantly namedrop various species of animals into discussions about how to order society, when many of those species don’t cooperate or communicate in the wildly complex ways humans can, making any appeal to nature completely retarded
>Muh human argument.
What makes you think that because we communicate or cooperate hierarchies suddenly don't work? If anything it makes us more prone to hierarchies. Social animals with complex societies tend to be more hierarchy oriented. The fact we can communicate just makes us available to create more complex hierarchies and create more efficient ways to organize our society. Language helps us in fact to have produce better organization in groups. Now regarding cooperation hierarchies and cooperation aren't necessarily opposites.

>>17183369
>>17183371
This. The op claims he was immersed in traditional Catholic ideas but a thought experiment he should've come up with on his own 5 minutes into any serious reflection on Christianity caused him to abandon his faith. Embarrassing.

>>17183628
You never had any serious comprehension of the faith if that's what got the ball rolling.

>>17183168
Every religion (bar ones which necessitate immoral actions) works off of roughly the same base material, so long as you pursue the cultivation of your own spirit you can be based. You are only harming your self if you became an atheist.

>>17183704
my nigger

>>17183168
>>Deleuze
>>Land
Why the trannytology?

My most recent development was realizing that life is full of absurd blockades that prevent you from being epic. Two of the most essential blockades are stress management as well as balancing group time and image with personal cultivation. Will likely be reading more encyclopedias and manuals in the future.

>>17184773
Hedonistic nihilism sounds like a terrible existence, anon.
I hope you find help soon.

>>17183326
>Now imagine if you weren’t born in the west or in a western influenced society, and had to view the Abrahamist from the outside. The Abrahamist stories would be indistinguishable from the Greek in terms that they both would be viewed as nothing more than myths.
"No"

>I rejected christianity
god, you’re a fucking idiot, that’s got to be one of the dumbest statements i’ve come across. And I’m not some christcuck, it has to do with the simple fact that you can’t at all see anything above intellect, you idiot, read all the theory you want still you’ll never understand a thing

>>17186790
Christians aren't supposed to get circumcised retard, the only ones who do are dumbshits in America because dick mutilation was normalized there for some stupid Amerifat reason

>>17183168
I was able to finally "wake up" from the intellectual slumber I had fell into in my mid teen years

>>17183350
>I’m anti-egalitarian
Just like Marx.

>>17183168
Base-

>>17183326
Retard

>>17183168
>alt-right
Only based if you want to be a permanently seething incel. Its as much of a pseud ideology as marxism.

>>17183168
>>17183326
if you sincerely feel the need to make "basedness" the foundation for your worldview you're already pathetically stupid but this is just laughable

>>17183326
>Now imagine if you weren’t born in the west or in a western influenced society, and had to view the Abrahamist from the outside. The Abrahamist stories would be indistinguishable from the Greek in terms that they both would be viewed as nothing more than myths.
Are you trolling? This is the most profound thought of your life?

>>17187671
I am actually the happiest I've ever been

>>17183710
we love our jason hes special

>>17183200
Based.

>>17183826
>>17183369
>>17185984
Shoo shoo chrostcucks

>>17183326
holy fucking based

>become christian because ur a nazi
>change ur mind later

lmaoing at you catholics, all catholics on the internet are larpers, I myself am a protestantCHAD