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17139971 No.17139971 [Reply] [Original]

Why do people still talk about free will? "Free will" is not compatible with causality. Something is either random or has a cause. If all your decisions have causes, can you still call them free will?

>> No.17139992

>>17139971
Dualism and free will seem like egotistical denials of reality and death, I hope the surge in nondualism and research into the brain will fix this.

>> No.17140033

>>17139971
>If all your decisions have causes, can you still call them free will?
Yes. Imagine this, you have the choice between an apple and an orange. You want to eat the orange as it's your favorite fruit. But, you also have a bag of oranges at home, and haven't had an apple in a while, so you also want to eat the apple. Two causes here anon, either one will lead to a different decision. Now, as a free subject, we get to choose which of those will be acted out

>> No.17140061

>>17139992
>the surge in nondualism and research into the brain
This has been the case for decades lmao, there hasn't been a dualist neuroscientist taken seriously in a long long time

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17140084

>>17140033
And whichever you choose, there's a cause behind it, even if you don't reason it out loud. There must have been a reason why you chose one over the other, otherwise the choice would have been MEANINGLESS. Like I said, it would have equaled to being just random.

>> No.17140087

>>17139971
Why ARE you talking about it?

>> No.17140173

>>17140087
The thoughts which ended up in my head, nothing of my choice

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17140175

>>17139971
>Something is either random or has a cause

This is more fanciful than free will and finality-first (and last) Ontology, there being no such thing as a cause and all things being by being deliberately ordained supertemporally.

>> No.17140263

>>17140084
>There must have been a reason why you chose one over the other, otherwise the choice would have been MEANINGLESS
you have moved on from discussing causes to discussing reasons... Also, what does it mean for a choice to be meaningless? When did meaning come into the discussion??

>> No.17140401

>>17139971
>If all your decisions have causes, can you still call them free will?
Yes