/lit/ - Literature

I've watched Donkey Xote and I don't think it's that good.

should i read donkey shot or is it just a meme
800 pages is a lot of work

>>17138776
if you are gonna read it in english dont even bother

>>17138535
I read it and it's shit
>>17138776
It's shit
>>17138783
Funny how you can read all other classics in translation but somehow Don Quixote is the singular exception

It's shit. The IRL shills of this book tend to be insecure retards. A tattooed buttslut I know talks about it a lot.

>>17138826
Yes
Don Quixote has no merits, so whoever speaks on its merits is repeating the words of another, like a parrot: an appreciation of Don Quixote is the best sign of a pseud

>>17138803
>>17138826
>>17138852
keep coping anglofag

>>17138887
The Don Quixote retard has nothing to say

>>17138900
I said "keep coping anglofag"

>>17138917
Seethe

>>17138930
keep coping anglofag

I can read any Shakespeare play from start to finish but I can't get through more than a couple of pages of Don Quixote without falling asleep and feeling like I'm reading a silly children's book. What gives?

>>17139118
Globohomo has stolen your imagination

I’ve been working my way through it slowly, some chapters are definitely a drag but the translation seems pretty good. Tried working through the original text but my spanish and understanding of the time period isn’t good enough.

>>17138803
>singular exception
It's not. Translations will NEVER perfectly capture what the original text contained, it will always be a lossy conversion.

>>17139118
fucking anglofags man

>>17139118
Your aesthetic perception is atrophied by years of mindless protestant-fueled consooming

>>17138535
idk bro
I've read only the first part and always thought that Don Quixote's lunacy was actually nothing more than some existential/absurd way of coping with no objective goal in life (which makes no sense because even after he revealed that he was doing everything on purpose, he still did inexplicable shit that was not filtered by his conscious mind)
the most interesting parts IMO were the side stories: the shepherd suicide related story and the guy who forced his friend to cuck him
they resembled some psychological analysis
apart from that story itself is pretty boring
>or ignore everything I just typed because I might be a retard

Non-anglo here but still read a translation. Found it very underwhelming compared to other classics

But I'm willing to consider what >>17139513 said, although that hasn't stopped be from enjoying other books.
Who knows, maybe Don Quixote just isn't that good.

>>17139595
>still read a translation.
opinion discarded

>>17139136
Yet all other translated works preserve some charm, some effect, some invention of the original - except, it seems, Don Quixote
>>17139595
It isn't

>>17138535
I think it's interesting to note how many critics and philosophers get translated from their native language to English, even not very well known people like Klossowski, and yet Mr. Maestro doesn't even have a wikipedia page in english. It's almost like he's only popular with a small niche of people spamming him on here trying to feel superior instead of actually enjoying literature.

>>17139617
why do you talk like if your opinion wasn't completely worthless? You haven't even read the novel in his original language for fucks sake

Do we need this thread every day? It's tiresome. Do get over your complex.

>>17139605
Could you elaborate on why you don't think a translation can properly capture the spirit of the book? Maybe provide us with some examples from the Spanish original that you find untranslatable and explain why you don't believe they can be adequately conveyed in another language?

>>17139645
Le Original Language is a meme, DQ is shit and you know it

>>17139701
>the original language of a literary work is a "meme"
ask me how I know you are a retarded teenager

>>17139805
How?

>>17139118
This is your brain on protestantism, many such cases!

If Spanish is so good, why is there no Spanish 2?

>>17139118
The issue here is that Shakespeare is entertaining and profound, while Cervantes is boring and stupid - many such cases

>>17139681
op is not gonna answer this one

>>17138535
all i need to know about down qixote i learned from groo the wanderer

>>17140365
because op probably doesn't consider the time it was made; that is- spanish was in a transitionary period, kinda coming into it's own. spanish then is considerably different than spanish now. iirc, there's no "real" reference materials to pin down meanings used. no dictionaries.

>>17138535
>Leave Shakespeare to me

>>17140158
It's called Portuguese and it owns. Brazilians understand Spanish speakers, but Spanish speakers don't understand Brazilians.
Hue

>>17140818
portugal: so bad, even spain kicked them out.

brasil: so bad, even portugal let them go without a fight. bonus: they gave brazil their prince, just to make sure they stayed brazil, and didn't consider being portugese again

>>17140818
I can understand portuguese while reading it, but when you macacos speak it's impossible

>>17140834
more like portugal was too decadent to do shit while in the verge of a civil war

>>17140902
trolling aside
both changes/transitions in forms of gov't (portugal from monarch to democratic, brazil from portugal to it's own) were largely bloodless; which is incredibly remarkable when you compare transitions in other great powers
(people forget that portugal, arguably, was the world's 1st superpower) france (french revolution), japan (warring states)

>>17140834
Brazil has Cachaça so their state of affairs is entirely reasonable

>>17138535
who s dat

>>17138917
BASED

>>17140965
>Cachaça
hmmmmmmmm

>>17140999
Googled cachaca
>ingredients: sugar cane
>alcohol content: 48 percent
That'll do it

What is the Portuguese language masterpiece?
This?

>>17141030
The Lusiads, which defeats Cervantes with handily

>>17141047
My Latin professor always said it's worth learning Portuguese for Camoes alone. Is it true?

>>17140365
>>17139681
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi_ucqO1PHtAhXIi1wKHacfCaAQFjAAegQIBRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2F2076-0787%2F9%2F4%2F119%2Fpdf&usg=AOvVaw1n0Q4Lwz8mXOBx3ZQebTOl

I'd never heard anybody praise Cervantes' prose until I came here. His books were always described to me (and having read DQ in Spanish, I agree) as a Dostoevskian kind of deal, where the merit has little to do with wording and more with the general structure, scope and especially the content (situations, themes and the way they're treated). And so, as it happens with Dostoevsky, some translations can completely fail to capture the style, but the heart of the matter will still be there for everyone to see.
People who think that DQ is boring and that Cervantes is stupid would probably not change their minds if they learnt Spanish and read it again. That doesn't mean they're right (I fucking hate Hamlet, which doesn't mean it's a bad play), but pretending that they're opinion is completely invalid just because they've read a translation is simply shitposting.
Also: you're allowed to like and talk about Spanish novels other than Don Quijote. Yes, it's the first modern one, and arguably the most influential one, but it's not the only one in existence and it probably isn't the best one anymore.

>>17141456
thank you for sanity (except the Hamlet bit, edit that out please)

I read it in 8th grade. I thought it was cute.

>>17141047
>which defeats Cervantes with handily
lmao you wish

>>17140055
Shakespeare was catholic

>>17138535
"...bad!"

>>17141456
don quiote was certainly stupid, but he wasn't boring; cervantes was not stupid.

what i read through, i took as parody about what was probably happening at the time

i'm guessing he took the thinking of well to do old shitheads in spain that over romanticized a past time that never factually existed and put them in the most plausible situation possible and played out their imagined fantasies against reality.

same shit happens today, in the u.s. romantization about a condition that didn't exist. atleast nowhere near in the manner they imagine it to be.

contemporary society should always be critiquing the established, otherwise there's less likely to be any meaningful progress. That being said, "i don't like it" is not a meaningful critique until you can articulate why.

>>17138535
I haven't read it, that is true. I have listened to an audiobook of it a few times over.