/lit/ - Literature

if only i had a link that bible twilight crossover

men, i always wanted to start a rage thread on /lit/

>>1711545
Fanfic is kid's stuff. I double-dog-dare you to read even ten pages of Pamela without getting a little pissy.

>>1711540
whats so bad about it?
Also, I couldnt really bring myself to read Never Let me go. Something about it seemed pretentious. Im sorry if I let you down /co/

>>1711552
pamela by samuel richardson?

>>1711558

It's a epistolary/journal novel about a girl who is virtuous. It's a play on the amatory fiction in where the rake seduces a young female. In this, the rake fails in his seduction, and instead, Pamela ens up marrying him and making him a nice guy.

They make a HUGE deal about how pure and saintly Pamela is. Like, she doesn't want to lay with him even after they're married. That's how pure she is.

>>1711560
Yes.

For some reason this did it for me.
Reading about slaves talking like philosophers while the Roman noblemen talk like two-denarii hookers made me throw this book against the wall several times.

I think I'll be reading that book next then OP

http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/webtexts/hour/

I hated this piece of shit. Actually, I hated all her writing. And I'm a femanon.

>>1711684
what's wrong with madame bovary?

I'm a borderline ocd guy, never gave-up reading a book, as much as I hated it.
This book defeated me.

>>1711561

Did I mention that it starts out with the author writing several letters pretending to be friends of the author (who claims he is merely an editor that found Pamela's letters/journal) telling him how awesome and important Pamela is, and how an amazing and perfect and wonderful woman she is and how so many lessons can be learned from this book that it is the best book EVER.

we need more /lit/ related material

>>1711805
sounds a lot like Scarlet Letter (hated it)

also hated Walden. yes, it is most likely literary blasphemy but holy fuck i hated that book.

>>1711722
Could you elaborate a little bit? I was just planning on reading it.

Blindness. Much rage was had.

>>1712397
read it. i don't know what he's talking about. it was great

bump, i know we can make something out of this

>>1712383
What specifically didn't you like about Walden?

This thread made me think of this article.

Crawling Up Everest
https://wwwx.cs.unc.edu/~hays/humor/crawling_up_everest.html

It's about a man's journey to read Proust.

An incredibly dull girl lives with assholes. Asshole matriarch sends dull girl to all-girl's school. Dull girl makes one friend, who then gets sick and dies. Dull girl becomes dull woman and leaves the school with no real abilities or skills. Asshole single father hires dull woman to become a live-in teacher for his personality-less kids. Author spends 15 pages describing something that is red every time a red thing is mentioned or seen or thought about. Dull woman falls in love with asshole father. Dull woman finds out that asshole father is also asshole husband, keeping his insane wife locked in the attic and feeding her fish heads/guts. Insane wife prowls around the house at dark and dull woman notices her but does nothing. Insane wife tries to do the reader a favor and burn the house down with everyone in it, but dull woman, personality-less children, and asshole father escape. Insane woman dies in the fire and asshole father becomes injured to the point of needing constant medical care. Asshole father sends kids away to school or just abandons them, doesn't matter, and he and dull woman go live in some "tropical paradise" which is just her tending to his wounds 24/7.

There, I just saved you the trouble of reading this piece of shit. Fuck Jane Eyre, fuck the Bronte's, and fuck my freshman high school English class for making me read it and making it worth half my grade.

>>1711722
I agree with this guy. It was a long time that I tried to read this, so I don't remember much, but basically it's just cheap shit. The author is just filling up pages with standard fantasy-like crap. the plot is empty, the characters are 1-dimensional ... i could go on.

>>1713385
>Fuck the Brontes

I love you, baybee!!!

Wuthering Heights, the book was a boring, BORING clusterfuck of some mid 1800s teenage girl's fantasies.

Also, a Series of Unfortunate Events, maybe I was just a violent child, but if I was ever in their situations there would have been blood, lots of it. I could never figure out why the Baudelaires (sp?) were such pushovers.

>Fuck the Brontes
I'd only do Anne. Also her books are the best even though nobody reads them because they're not wish fulfillment for romantically inclined women.

>>1713403
go on

The Forever War made me rage because it was full of "The Population Bomb" nonsense about overpopulation. Also the book has government encouraged homosexuality to keep the population stable, that is just stupid there are plenty of other ways governments could have done that. But it was done for reasons of plot so there could be some kind of culture shock plot.

>>1713732
Can you explain why the population bomb element is nonsense and why it made you rage?

>>1713734
The Population Bomb was a 1968 book about how massive fammine is going to grip the world because of overpopulation. The book made all kinds of predictions about how by the 1980s there was going to be massive starvation. What the book didn't count on is the impact made by The Green Revolution in agiculture which brought modern farming techinques and seeds to countries like India and Pakistain. While there may be a hard limit to the amount agicultural scinice can increase food crop production world wide, I think with the advances made in genetics that a Population Bomb type scenario is pretty unlikely.

I downloaded the routledge textbook 'Literary Wittgenstein' hoping to find a consolidated series of remarks and the structure for a theory of literature informed by Wittgenstein's work on language in both the Tractatus and the Investigations, and his lectures on Aesthetics.

Instead I got a shitty, meandering intro vaguely touching on some stupid issues associated with W. by Stanley Cavell in this obnoxious "I may be a philosopher but I can still write casually" style that doesn't have either analytic clarity or continental flair. Then I got a bunch of rag-tag essays composed of faffery and textual case studies. Seriously, I do just not have the energy to pick off the good meat from this stuff.

>>1713745
Shit I forgot to tie it into The Forever War. The Forever War takes the whole overpopulation thesis of The Population Bomb at face value and has the government adopt unrealsticly dumb solutions to said problem.

>>1713745
Yeah from what you said that book seems to be missing the point entirely when it comes to famine. Famines today are coming about as a result of the uneven distribution of food and food-producing land. I heard a bit of a story about wealthy nations buying up the farm land in Africa and the impact of this practice will inevitably lead to starvation for many, as the land will likely be used for cash crops rather than food.

>>1713749
>analytic clarity or continental flair
I just want to say that I really like how you described that..also yeah, I would rage as well because I am very interested to find out if there are any literary descendants of analytic philosophy..

>>1713753
To give the The Forever War credit there is tension between more and less developed nations over black market food in developed nation.

But still things like calorie ration cards and government encourged homosexuality seem both unrealistic and unfeasiable.

>>1713745
I see! Thank you very much, I was completely unaware of that book. I appreciate your taking the time.

lets do like in /v/ and just post pictures

>>1712397
It goes nowhere, the first 90% of the books you have no idea what the fuck is going on, nothing is explained. Things just happen to characters I didn't care about because their motivation wasn't clear. Then in the last 10% it got (sort of) interesting and tried to cliffhanger me in to reading the second book.
I won't.

>>1713749
>analytic clarity or flair
believe it or not there are more styles than those

w. already practices

meditation
confession
puppetry
let me tell you a cool story

personally i like
zen silliness and comedy
hard logic construction
philosophy as physics

there are many more obviously

>>1713966
God, people who don't get that the hystory you are tough is altered by political/ideological views and that the only way to not be raped into believing lies is actually learnign about it from different perspectives and keeping in mind the authors bias really get me mad...

>>1713981
sorry for generalising in order to make an informative point folks

>>1711570
>slaves talking like philosophers while the Roman noblemen talk like two-denarii hookers
What's wrong with this?

Being a nobleman, especially if it's an inherited title, doesn't mean intelligence.

>>1713991
np hon

It's not his worst bit of work, but the ending was fucking bullshit and really the whole thing is characteristic of everything post-Amsterdam (except maybe Atonement) being shit.

I mean, it was an exercise in describing inner lives but instead of it actually making it interesting like a better writer would (see Patrick White') it was just painfully boring - boring enough to actually make me quite angry after reading it.

>>1713155
Bump, I think /lit/ will really enjoy this