/lit/ - Literature

Sandershitters btfo

>>17093725
Hell's Gate, Multiverse #1 - David Weber & Linda Evans

It increasingly seems to me that page count and content are inversely correlated. The longer something is the less that of anything that happens relative to its page count. Fortunately, I didn't mind that much for this book, despite it being nearly 1,000 pages. While I would've preferred it to be significantly shorter, it's fine as it is. Most of the pages are concerned with worldbuilding, so if that isn't something you're okay with, it's may be an enjoyable read for you. It's somewhat ironic that so much is spent on worldbuilding, because they're literally on alternate Earths. Their civilizations and locations are roughly analogous to ours as well, so I would certainly expect some people to be angry about that. The first 100 pages or so are almost entirely exploration and mapping of an alternate Earth, which was nice.
If you are looking for war, as shown by the cover, then you're going to be disappointed because there's very little actual combat in this book. I assume the second and third books will have much more. For now it's almost entirely about preparation, in terms of logistics, domestic politics, and diplomacy.
This is military science fantasy with two civilizations. One has psionics and roughly early 1900s tech and and other has magic and magitech. The latter's mechanical tech is medieval but their magitech is 2000s, which makes for a rather incongruent technological development from our perspective.
The premise is that a portal appears that leads to an alternate Earth, they call each one a universe, and mostly each one only has an entrance and exit portal, leading to a linear chain of Earths. I really enjoy this concept. The distance from one civilization to the other is roughly 100,000 miles, going through dozens of Earths, which really complicates their logistics.
There's a lot that this book does that I enjoy in terms of substance, but it does a lot that I disagree with in style/aesthetics. My main problem is how dumb the opposing side is, to the point where the opposing side explicitly states that it's unbelievable how dumb they are. Another problem is how much some of the characters dramatically overreact to anything happening. An example, of which many could be provided, is that genocide is literally stated to be an option, by which I mean literally using the word, in response to a few casualties. When one character sees basic magic for the first time, they basically have a seizure, feel sick, and scream about how it's unnatural.
This was a surprise for me, as I haven't been interested in anything from Weber previously, but it was recommended to me in the thread a long while ago and the sole rating for it in the group is a 5 star, so I thought I'd give it a try. I'm glad I did. Apparently this also the only novel originally published by Baen that I've ever finished, as far as I can tell with a quick look anyway. I'll read the sequels, eventually.

Rating: 4/5

>>17093768
(2006), oh well.

>not Gay Rape Incest Edition
kill yourself, OP

>>17093768
TL;DR

Also, stop copy pasting reviews from other websites.

>>17093779
Sometimes I post them here first. Depends on when I've written it and how many posts the thread has at the moment. Either way I'm the one who wrote them.

>>17093779
I agree with this anon. These threads are for funposting and nothing else.

https://www.brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2020/

>Rhythm of War is spending its third week on the New York Times bestseller list as of this writing, and has spent all three of those weeks as the #1 most read book in the country, per Amazon’s charts. So…huzzah! Thank you so much. 2020 might have been a trash year, but I hope this helped end it on a better note for many of you.
>The book did about 40% better in sales than the previous volume, which is amazing. Thank you all for your support. This series is still in active progress, and I’ll dive into Book Five (the final book of the first sequence) in 2022, for a 2023 release. (Which is when we’ll probably do the Kickstarter for Words of Radiance in leatherbound.)
>I also intend to write a novella about Rock to fill in what happened with him after the events of Rhythm of War. The first group of books won’t be finished until then.
Ready for more hundreds of thousands of words of filler?

>>17093800
>>17093868
>>17093779
how about you post loli porn instead?

>>17093900

>>17093928

>>17093896
>filler
So most of you are so brain addled that the literal least "brainless anime action setpiece" book of the entire series so far, the literal capstone of every disparate thread being brought together by the overarching metaphysics of cosmere magic, is just "filler" because..? You didn't like it? You think scientific research is boring? You're literally too dim to understand the mechanics of undermining an occupying invasion of the seat of your military power? Dalinar was learning to use his powers instead of leading in the umpteenth battle scene of the series? Kaladin is still Sad and Shallan is still Crazy?
Seriously, explain why RoW is bad without resorting to subjective opinions about things you don't enjoy. How was /sffg/ filtered so hard?

>>17093896
>Sanderson is a good writer

Prove me wrong.
Pro tip: You can

>>17094147
This is b8.

>>17094147
>>17094165
samefag

Ahem.
First for E William Brown is an O-kay guy.

>>17094182
No really no, but you have to wait for the other retard to prove you wrong since I'm on mobile.

You're also a retard desu senpai.

>>17094182
>crocodile

No wonder you're retarded.

https://bookadreport.com/book-market-overview-authors-statistics-facts/

VR part from Three Body Problem is weird as fuck

>>17094268
Not really. Do you have much experience with VR?

>>17093737
Nope :)
>>17093896
Yes!

chinkshit >>> Sandersoy

>>17094390
How does this work if Sandershits like >>17094376 are weebs?

>>17094390
The Three Body Problem was good. The other books in the series are kinda lame. It surprises me that the same people who can ignore babies getting run over by cars can write such a nice novel. The cultural revolution really maimed the spirit of the Han.

>>17094478
Liu Cixin explicitly supports what Chinese is doing with its minorities. Could scuttle Netflix's adaption of it still yet.

>>17093725
Purple up, dude. This image made my day.

Faptcha gets more BVRGVRPVNK by the day.

>>17094454
weebs don't like chinkshit, only japshit

>>17094584
Ok, rate those for me then. Which is worse?

Nobody answered me last thread...

Is there a good fantasy book that deals with a pseudo-mediterranean set of lore and creatures (fauns, centaurs, cyclops, etc) instead of pseudo-nordic??

>>17094598
Circe

>>17094596
>Which is worse?
You are.

>>17094596
I've never read a good light novel (Japanese)
I've read a few decent chink novels though.

>>17094635

Looks nice but that is actual greek mythos.
Im asking for pseudo-mediterranean lore, in the manner that Lord of the rings or D&D is pseudo-nordic. Maybe I'm not phrasing this correctly...

>>17094635
there were NO fauns in Circe, you liar!!
rape scene was hot

>>17094640
>You are.
Not according to your mother.

>>17094390
BIG MAD

>>17094676
So books based around the cultures of like Italy, Greece, Rome, and other similar countries?

>>17094779
Is that a male moon sailor?

What's the most underrate and the most overrated fantasy book/s that you're ever read?

GO

Were any of the starwars books good? I finished watching the Mandalorian and want to get into some of the old EU stuff.

>>17094147
Rhythm of War was just underwhelming for me. I had to force myself to keep reading it because I kept getting distracted since it never hooked me.

I felt like the whole book was building up for each characters revelations, but the only one that had any payoff was Kaladin.

Dalanar did almost nothing the whole book and barely leaned anything of his powers.

Shalan had more of her cringy personality dramas. But every shallow chapter was basically the same thing, i.e. veil and radiant trying to make shallow grow, shallan tries but ends up hiding again. Over and over its the same thing until the end where she just decides not to kill the herald and everything is all better. There's no real growth shown at all the whole time and there's no real buildup for the climax of her revelation, it just kind of happens and leaves it at that.

It was nice to get some more character development in navani, but it was really not that interesting to me. Its just her magically making discoveries and the fused praising her to a sickening extent because muh girl power. When she bonded the tower spren it was pretty anticlimactic and forced because of plot. There was no reason to waste so many chapters on her when, like shallan, was flushed out the first 3-4 of their chapters. the only real thing we gleamed from her chapters was that galvanar was not the man we thought he was.

Its really the weakest book so far imo. No big plot reveals about what happened in the past, no real progression in the war, character development that could have been finished by the first half of the book.

All of the plot advancing happened in the last chapter and now we have to wait 2 years for the next book, when it could have just been the second half of the book.

>>17094877
Stars wars is shit and you should feel bad for watching and reading it.

>>17094814
>overrated
Sandersoom. Fuck him and his retarded followers.

>>17094952
>every shallow chapter
heh
>>17094952
>2 years for the next book
3
see >>17093896

>>17094952
>It was nice to get some more character development in navani
Did you also like the part where Navani helped the enemy?

>>17093768
Sounds a lot like Wheel of Time desu

> The longer something is the less that of anything that happens relative to its page count
> For now it's almost entirely about preparation, in terms of logistics, domestic politics, and diplomacy

> When one character sees basic magic for the first time, they basically have a seizure, feel sick, and scream about how it's unnatural
in wot some people literally vomit and faint when the Forsaken are mentioned.

>>17094814
Dune wasn't as good as I hoped it'd be.

>>17095003
Yeah autocorrect lol

>>17094991
Thats also why her climax was so underwhelming. The whole time she's getting girl pep talk from Rabonel and then ends up helping the enemy multiple times, but somehow still earns enough trust from the sibling to bond. Really just felt like a forcdd plot device to end the occupation and not something that would have actually happened.

I'm also tired of Sanderson writing as if everyone is a 20yr old girl. EVERYONE talks or thinks in question marks.

>>17094814
>fantasy only
>overrated
Strangely, none. That I've finished anyway.

>underrated
Nothing really again. Weird.

>>17094952
Oathbringer wasn't that much better than RoW.

like >>17091999 said, this is what you can expect from Sanderson. Don't lie to yourself.

The only reason why Sanderson is relevant to begin with is the fact that he pumps books consistently.

>>17095131
>I'm also tired of Sanderson writing as if everyone is a 20yr old girl. EVERYONE talks or thinks in question marks.
Gotta sell to your audience after all. Oh, did you think you were? Sorry, you're not.

>>17095131
He's slowly getting entangled into massive info dumps and the Cosmere story-line.
The Navani Arc is just an example. I laughed out loud at how fucking ridiculous (and out right immersion breaking) Navani's interactions with Raboniel were. He's not simply making me hate some characters, he's writing them so badly that it's 4th wall breaking type shit.

What's more infuriating is the amount of wasted chapters. Instead establishing a proper plot for the Cosmere characters, he wastes half the book going through the same mental problems that we've already seen from Kaladin and Shallan from the previous 3 books.

It's rather ironic that the immortal words say "Journey before destination" when his books are quite literally "Destination before Journey". Because nothing happens until the end of each book.

>>17095147
Never read a sci-fi book in my life, nor do I intend to.

>>17094877
I remember reading this as a young lad, it's trash

>>17095224
and that's entirely fine.

>>17095131
>I'm also tired of Sanderson writing as if everyone is a 20yr old girl. EVERYONE talks or thinks in question marks.

What >>17095154 said. Sanderson's taking the safe road. We only got a major plot twist in the entire book (from big T which was a major ass-pull at the end).

Don't really expect anything exciting to happen. Every major character has fan armor.

>>17095228
>>17094877
oh and if you like the mandalorian you owe it to yourself to read pic related

Is there anyway to get the Malazan Series on a Hard Cover?

I've searched everywhere.

>>17095148
>Oathbringer wasn't that much better than RoW.

It might have been a slog at times, but it still had the goal of flushing out characters and their backstories, but RoW just really had no point to it.

Kaladins story was fine, even if drawn out. At least there were marked events to signify his progression, whereas shallan and navani was literally the same chapter over and over.

>>17094952
>I felt like the whole book was building up for each characters revelations, but the only one that had any payoff was Kaladin.
And Rlain, finally, got some movement in his story. Navani progressed, literally discovering a mechanism for finally ending the war and becoming radiant. Even Renarin got some plot love, despite being clearly reserved for the back 5 in his real importance to the story. Dabbid, Venli, Kaladin's parents, Leshwi. There was a ton of minor character work that I felt really helped humanize the war on a personal level, for both sides of the conflict. I get it's not a setpiece heavy battle novel, but I enjoyed the change of pace.
>Dalinar barely did anything
Fair point, this one really was just a set-up book for him, since clearly his Bondsmith powers will be integral to the finale battle with Odium.
>Shallan retreads
That's fair too. I know most people detest Shallan on principle, but I've never had that problem. She acts like an airhead teenage girl because she is an airhead teenage girl. Her plot, like many of the characters in this book, was really more of an inroads for establishing and expanding cosmere lore and I also have zero problem with that. It's also why I had no issues with Navani's arc. 90% of why I read Sanderson is top tier worldbuilding.
>It's really the weakest book so far
Certainly in some respects, but being a plot heavy scaffolding book for the Big Fight in book 5 doesn't make it as terrible as some of these other whinging faggots make it out to be. Incidentally, thank you for actually discussing a book you didn't enjoy instead of just shitposting about how much you hate it. I appreciate that.

>>17095475
>Navani progressed,
Lol

>>17094376
I unironically ship them because I hate that I love this series so much. If Rothfuss would hurry up before he dies of fat, I could preoccupy myself with something else beyond Sandoshit. It's been nearly 10 years since you've published a proper book, you fat bearded shit. Get off Critical Roll and finish it.
>>17094454
Sando basically writes anime plots but has no excuse for all the worthless filler like an anime team would. Again, I actively hate that I like it.

>>17095003
>not exploiting your enemies knowledge for your own gain
It's not like she was trying to hand Raboniel a figurative nuke, and it was obvious from the outset Raboniel somehow understood of anti-light's existence even if she didn't know how to fabricate it. "Purposely helping the enemy" is a real stretch.

>>17095489
>Again, I actively hate that I like it.
Where on the same boat because we've invested too much time into this shit.

>>17094814
Underrated: Mask of the Sorcerer
Overrated: Every popular Epic Fantasy novel

>>17095484
Nice discussion bro.

Has /sffg/ finally degenerated into pure Sanderson general?

>>17095495
>Navani
>Exploiting a 7 thousand year old immortal being while being held hostage

You Sandersonshitters unironically produce the best copes I've ever seen on any /sffg/ discussion.

>>17095514
>people who hate it won't shut up about it
>people who like it try to engage in conversation with the ones who won't shut up about it
>then the people who like it are just talking amongst themselves while everyone else bitches instead of posting about things they do like
Bringing it on yourselves really.

>>17095525
She discovered more about investiture in a few weeks with Raboniel than anyone else in the entire kingdom for its whole history. Maybe try an argument instead of buzzwords.

>>17095270
Well the first book is on Amazon in hardcover. Pricey as fuck though. Be sure to click the 'See all formats and editions' link above the little boxes that show the different formats.

>>17095475
It's the weakest in that the most nothing happens. WoR had so much hype in it; truly feeling as if things were building in tension, particularly at the end, then Oathbringer is lots of fluff and RoW is mostly fluff. Sando is dragging it out to sell more side stories. I actually like Shallan because of the reasons you mention; however, those reasons also oft make her annoying. Overall, 1k pages of "scaffolding" is just code word for "it's fucking nothing".
A better writer could convey character growth in 1/10th the words.

>>17095538
>She discovered more about investiture in a few weeks with Raboniel than anyone else in the entire kingdom for its whole history

>A dumb milf that get's tricked by a 7 thousand immortal being. twice.
>Still somehow manages to out-think her.

Totally believable and immersive writing.

>>17094877
Timothy Zahn's are okay

>>17094877
You'd be better off reading the Galaxy's Edge series. It's like Star Wars, but the Stormtroopers are the bad guys. Also I think it's the second book that is extremely similar to The Mandalorian (and vastly superior).

>>17095528
We shit on every writer here. And that's ok. We occasionally praise some writers here as well. No one gets mad at it.

However, Sandershtitters can't cope with the fact that Sanderson writes Anime with shit YA prose.

Just wait and see. Guaranteed (You)s.

>>17095495
>"Purposely helping the enemy" is a real stretch.
>Actively helping with your enemy's research , freely, is not helping your enemy

Kek

>>17095557
>>17095596

Based

> The Gay of Kings
> Chodebringer
> Rhythm of Whores

>>17095475
I think its just because I was so excited for this book (as I have been with all the stormlight archive books) that this massive feeling of being underwhelmed really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The minor character work was fine, but the main character developments was just so drawn out without any ingenuity. I mean Shallan makes me cringe, but I don't hate the character and she can have some witty responses from time to time, but every chapter of hers was just so stale and lacking imagination. Even her hunt for the traitor was so lacking inspiration. And of course the climax was hardly a climax. It just felt like she changed her mind on a whim and Sanderson closed that plot thread.

Rain got some movement, but felt like he was basically forgotten halfway through when he became Venus servant, then its like at the end when things were wrapping up Sanderson finally remembered the guy and just threw him in some scenes.

Basically everything could have wrapped up as the first half of the book, and the second half could've been book 5.

>>17095489
I'm with ya bud. The high points of stormlight make me feel like I'm flying, that's why this book really pushes my buttons. All that buildup and it just fell flat.

I'm also waiting on that rothfuss. It better be as good as everyone hopes it will be since he's dragged it out this long. It better read like a fucking Greek epic in its prose.

>>17095528
Whether or not you like it, SA is one of the most popular ongoing fantasy series and a new book dropped recently, so no shit people are talking about it, particularly because it was mostly boring, with just promises of things happening again in 2-3 years. Try to remember what it was like here when GoT was airing. This is les than a fraction of the focus.

>>17095495
Did we read the same story? Because she quite literally handed over to her a massive breakthrough that could change the War's course.

But hey, who the fuck cares, that's all secondary right? Like bonding with the Sibling was.

>>17095642
>The high points of stormlight make me feel like I'm flying
Same. It's been a while since it's made me feel that way, sadly.

>>17095557
>Raboniel literally acknowledges her brilliance in bestowing a title equivalent of any fused
>lol she dum cuz immortal ladee trickt her XD
What's it called when you're filtered by someone you believe dumber than you? A Raboniel maybe? ;^*

>>17094783

Yes.

>>17095657
I blew everything up on the first two books.

Shit go old really quickly afterwards. I'd much rather see new characters in other parts of the map than having to deal with Shallan's and Kaladin's mental problems.

Kaladin annoyed the shit out of me in this book.

>>17095596
>literally prisoner in occupied territory
>"free"
Why do you even try?

>>17095642
>its like at the end when things were wrapping up Sanderson finally remembered the guy and just threw him in some scenes.
I imagine with the rumors of Rlain/Renarin, he's probably being saved as a major player for the back 5 too.

>>17095685
> Chapter 76 - Harmony
> Navani said. "I think it is time for me to accept your initial offer and start carrying water"
> Not free

Cope

Come back when you stop speed-reading.

>>17095650
>Because she quite literally handed over to her a massive breakthrough
Which she purposely tried to obfuscate and failed. That doesn't mean she willingly handed anyone anything. And again, she extracted more useful information from Raboniel than the one thing she gave away by happenstance, which also benefits the human alliance as much as the singers.

>>17095685
>>17095739
BTFO

>>17095679
I can see how some people would want kaladin to just get over it and move on, but I think its fair how his depression is handled. And at least you really get the feeling he worked for his ephiphany/resolution unlike everyone else where it just kind of landed on their laps because Sanderson needed to move the plot along. The only parts that got me excited was were kaladin was basically beaten down mentally and physically, but still stood up again and again despite it all. Makes me really root for kaladin even though I just kept thinking "hurry up and say the words dammit!"

>>17095739
>having options dictated to you is freedom
Enjoy licking boots I guess

>>17095679
I don't know why Sando seems obsessed with playing character therapist, but it's unlikeable. We get it; Shallan is mentally broken and that manifests through her frivolous lightweaving. Kaladin is clearly broken, you spent 2 good books illustrating that. We get it. The bonding with spren should at least start to change this rumination.
If we don't get new characters then things that have been clearly set up need move forward plot-wise. The anime filler arc is annoying.

I was also not the biggest fan of Kal in RoW, which was disappointing. I feel like so many characters just stalled in Oathbringer.

Seems the Sanderson General didn't do well enough for people to keep making it.

>>17095767
>Options
>Not freedom

LMAO. Stop posting buddy, you're literally embarrassing yourself at this point.

>>17095779
Well I'm gonna start the licanius trilogy because I heard its similar to wheel of time. Anyone read it?

>>17095788
>not knowing what dictated means
How's high school bud? Excited for Christmas break?

>>17095779
Why bother when people keep unironically posting about it here :^)

Anyone have any good recommendations for old fantasy books?

>>17095767
Go back to /pol/ with this shit

>>17095745

>That doesn't mean she willingly handed anyone anything
You're just coping at this point. She sat down with her on her own will.

>And again, she extracted more useful information from Raboniel than the one thing she gave away by happenstance
Yes, because of sando's fan armor. That's just bad writing imo.

>>17094556
Based dying inside poster. What'd you think of it?

>>17095767
You're actually retarded.

>>17095767
>>17095685
>>17095495
>>17095806
>>17095745
>>17095668

Imagine seething this hard over how bad a YA fictional character was written.

shit thread
sandershitters shitting everywhere

bakker please save us

>tfw the bakkerposter is asleep rn
please come back... only the exalted prose of black/dread seed can possibly save us from becoming /sanderssongeneral/...

>>17095900
Do you remember when Bakker admitted to smoke weed on /sffg/?

>>17095843
Different anon.
I really enjoyed it when I read it several years ago.

>>17095835
>She sat down with her on her own will.
To exploit thousands years of unknown knowledge while trying to prevent her own machinations from being discovered. Failure is not complicty. "Cope" is not an argument.

>>17095891
>imagine discussing a fantasy story you like in a thread about fantasy books on an Armenian back waxing forum

>>17095954
>>17095960
Back from the toilet sit so soon? You clearly forgot to wipe because you're still making shit posts.

>>17095514
the most popular ongoing fantasy series dropped relatively recently, relax

>>17095954
>while trying to prevent her own machinations from being discovered.
Yes, I remember, the ones where failed miserably?

And yes, "cope" is an argument because you refuse to admit that that entire arc was poorly done.

Also, go re-read the book instead of being a speed-reading shitter.

>>17095916
>Nonmanposting to clear out the sandershits
Several hours passed before they rounded the final bend and saw it before them. The fissured wall climbed high, straining the neck with its gouged dimensions. It loomed as only natural works could loom. The random line of fracture and millennial erosion, of rock sculpted in mystery and accident. Black outcroppings with mossed bellies. Long cracks dangling anemic weeds. And set in its heart, like some shrine to intellect and intention, the enormous Obsidian Gate, looming over the ruins of an ancient fortress.
The company gathered on the platform beneath it, loose clots of men drifting to a halt, mouths open. The Skin Eaters had expected many things, daydreams of a storied destination, but they were quite unprepared for what they beheld. Achamian could see it in the way they craned and peered, like emissaries of a backward yet imperious people trying to see past their awe. The entrance was unbarred, an ovoid of impenetrable black set in an immense arched recess, which was panelled with reliefs that formed a skein over yet deeper narratives, so that the scenes depicted possessed a startling depth. Nonmen figures twined across every surface, weathered to the point where you could scarcely distinguish the armoured from the naked, frozen in antique postures of triumph or ceremonial tedium. Shepherds with lambs about their shoulders. Warriors fending lions and jackals. Captives baring necks to the swords of princes. On and on, the lives of the dead in miniature. Four pillars flanked the threshold, the outermost pair soaring tall as netia pine, yet hollow, great cylinders of interlocking figures and faces; the innermost solid, three snakes intercoiling, their heads lost in the vaulted gloom, their rattled tails forming three-pronged bases.
Curses filled the silence, some murmured, others spoken quite out loud. Such was the monumental delicacy, the profusion of figure and detail, that the forms seemed more revealed than rendered, as though the sheeted cliffs were naught but mud rinsed from the stone of ossified souls. Even half-ruined, there was too much, too much beauty, too much detail, and certainly too much toil, a grandeur made wicked by the demands it exacted on simpler souls. It was a place that begged to be challenged, overthrown.

>>17095954
> Navani, aka the fake scholar, aka the 7000 year immortal being out-thinker, aka the "let's help our enemy"
> Good writing

TOP KEK

>>17095779
I started that general to keep the adolescent sanderparasites out of the main thread. Unfortunately they lacked the sense or decency to continue it. We will be cursed with these midwits and their coomspren until they man up and secede of their own volition.

Bully sanderposters. Mock sanderposters. Ridicule and exclude sanderposters. They are cancer and they ruin this general for everyone else.

>>17096068
Dude, the book just came out. What else did you expect? This has happened with every major release, Bakker included.

>>17095919
based, i’d burn one down with the psychotic canadian bastard
b-but is he dead bros...? his web presence has been pitch dark since feb.

>>17093725
Thoughts on this series?

While we're on the topic of Bakker.

I think I'm getting filtered bros. I cannot get into his prose, as much as I would like to.

Can it be because I'm an ESL? I've been Speaking/Reading English daily for over 20 years
What do I do?

>>17095824
The Broken Sword

>>17096101
His prose can be quite abstract, fragmentary and even psychedelic at times, and he is fond of using strange sentence constructions and idiosyncratic vocab. I can see him being difficult for ESL; just keep it up if you like his books, no shame in re-reading sections to pick up on what you might have missed. I found the books immensely more understandable and enjoyable on the second read-through.

>>17096017
>you refuse to admit that that entire arc was poorly done.
You refuse to make any argument that it was actually done poorly instead of quibbling over failure and screeching buzzwords.
>being a speed-reading shitter
What even is this meme?

>>17096037
I didn't say it was "good" I said every argument I've encountered so far for why it's bad is so much opinionated bullshit.

>>17093725
Someone answer >>17096092 please

>>17096068
>he said, shitting himself and scrawling on the walls about other people enjoying things he doesn't like
Life must be hard for you.

>>17096154
>>17096168
Back from the loo again, have you?

>>17096174
Not everyone is seething behind the keyboard like you clearly are just because they disagree with someone.

Cope :^)

>>17096191
>projecting this hard

>>17096210
You will never be a woman.

>>17096154
You clearly have a problem coping with the word "cope", which is ironic to say the least. No need to keep buzzing words like "buzzword" because you're only embarrassing yourself at this point.

Multiple arguments have been made already. Go back and read them again if you want to. Not my problem that you're an ESL.
My advice to you is read more and stop reading Sanderson because he won't make you better at English.

I think I finally warmed up to this nigga.

>>17093725
Someone please answer >>17096092 I’m dying to know

>>17096168
>”STOP HAVING DIFFERENT OPINIONS FROM MY OWN”

>>17096371
Dude, shut the fuck up already, no one has read your shitty Dino.

>>17093725
my world: ...＾
ユニ妖精図書館(ユニゲーム)＾(educational academy for learning cute magic as a fairi but also an infinite sandbox and fantasy exploration but there is also some mini games where you can yay coins and spend them on cute magic spells / creating fairy blocks or fairyshop economy/ flowers and fruits ..)
＾like this game it is ultra dreamy and fairy worlded game but it is ultra legit project for everyfairi for studying cute magic in academy and create cute fantasies and worlds and even more sparkly inspirations and cute pastels...
so do not worry like you can always try and yay again(yaaay)＾

it’s okay if you don’t feel happy or positive about things somedays, your feelings are completely yay!!
you are gonna be yaaay truly(yay) be understanding and kind, do not let anynyan invalidate your feelings, you will always be cute fairi)＾
So it’s a bit strange at first but suddenly everything is cute and and yay。

(Gameplay's core is perfecting world by imagination and cute magic)
⑅

so it is yay truly and ultra dreamy and cute 。
btw (yay==cute and dreamy yay fantasi way... like any subculture like emo and goth can be called a cult but fairi is yay truly(yay) and you be a fairi if you are goth or emo or any other fairy already (yay))。
verything i write is my true personality(i act like that irl too(yay))(so do not worry & yay... in the past i just tried to write posts more sparkly in fairi language but it was actually kind of sad for me truly and like i cried a lot qwq because there were many replies that this game is kind of not a serious project and may be even something not dreamy :c which is not true at all so it was ultra sad ...)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdoihwSoZ4s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQAXsMMPGAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eJFb46cNyY


...＾
so i hope like everyfairi and pony will be able to make the world more dreamy with it by artstudying and being a fairi...＾

>>17096403
＾
fairies live in a magical high tower with many rooms. The height of the tower is 11 inches. The pastel texture of the tower imitates brickwork and shingles, on top of it is decorated with a large crown. The tower "opens" on each floor, and it can be closed with latches in the form of ponyshoes. Fairies move between floors on a special elevator platform. There is a floor lamp on the top floor, and when you click on it, the elevator turns on a beautiful illumination(yay)。
There are also more than 11 differrent mini-games inside one game for now!!＾
Like fairi sandbox is the main and most yay mini-game for me but also there are strategy role-playing and sparkle collecting system
and economy for castle and pastel drawing... so there will be even more dreamy mini-games and fairi arts so i hope like everyfairi
and pony will be able to make the world more dreamy with it by artstudying and being a fairi...＾

wish the goodreads group wasn't dead so i had anywhere other than this shithole to discuss sff

>>17096403
>>17096417

>tripfag

Didn’t read.

>>17096420
There's always the discord. It can't be helped if most people only want to discuss in the thread. I tried to have some discussion going in the group, but it didn't work out. What would you even want to discuss?

my world: ..＾
＾
ユニ妖精図書館(ユニゲーム)＾(educational academy for learning cute magic as a fairi but also an infinite sandbox and fantasy exploration but there is also some mini games where you can yay coins and spend them on cute magic spells / creating fairy blocks or fairyshop economy/ flowers and fruits ..)
＾like this game it is ultra dreamy and fairy worlded game but it is ultra legit project for everyfairi for studying cute magic in academy and create cute fantasies and worlds and even more sparkly inspirations and cute pastels...
so do not worry like you can always try and yay again(yaaay)＾

it’s okay if you don’t feel happy or positive about things somedays, your feelings are completely yay!!
you are gonna be yaaay truly(yay) be understanding and kind, do not let anynyan invalidate your feelings, you will always be cute fairi)＾
So it’s a bit strange at first but suddenly everything is cute and and yay。

(Gameplay's core is perfecting world by imagination and cute magic)
⑅

so it is yay truly and ultra dreamy and cute 。
btw (yay==cute and dreamy yay fantasi way... like any subculture like emo and goth can be called a cult but fairi is yay truly(yay) and you be a fairi if you are goth or emo or any other fairy already (yay))。
verything i write is my true personality(i act like that irl too(yay))(so do not worry & yay... in the past i just tried to write posts more sparkly in fairi language but it was actually kind of sad for me truly and like i cried a lot qwq because there were many replies that this game is kind of not a serious project and may be even something not dreamy :c which is not true at all so it was ultra sad ...)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdoihwSoZ4s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQAXsMMPGAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eJFb46cNyY


...＾
so i hope like everyfairi and pony will be able to make the world more dreamy with it by artstudying and being a fairi...＾
fairies live in a magical high tower with many rooms. The height of the tower is 11 inches. The pastel texture of the tower imitates brickwork and shingles, on top of it is decorated with a large crown. The tower "opens" on each floor, and it can be closed with latches in the form of ponyshoes. Fairies move between floors on a special elevator platform. There is a floor lamp on the top floor, and when you click on it, the elevator turns on a beautiful illumination(yay)。

>>17096439
>What would you even want to discuss?
sci-fi and fantasy
what i've been wanting to discuss on /lit/ since day fucking one of /lit/

>>17096420
>>17096439
There are tons of places, but talking about the same stuff at the same time seems to be difficult. It's always going to be a compromise. Maybe could go to book/series specific groups. Of course, the more people anywhere the better chance for discussion.
It could also be that you think it's something you want, but if you got it, you wouldn't know what to do with it.

>>17096388
I’m not the author retard, I want to know if it’s a genuinely good series or not

>>17096453
I hope you realize that's entirely vague and ambiguous. It's entirely possible for there to be tons of discussion, but not about anything you have any interest it.

>>17096457
I miss forums but they've been neutered.

>>17096380
More like substantiate your opinions or stop posting, "I didn't like it because it's shit" contributes nothing to the discussion.
>>17096252
>Multiple arguments have been made already.
Please show me 3 that aren't buzzwords or subjective opinions. Obviously I'll wait.

>>17096461
What was the part of “No one has read” that you didn’t understand?

>>17096453
>doesn't see all the discussion in these threads
Get better taste

>>17096480
It's never not a compromise.

>>17096447
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk5LYjSYV8Y
cute fantasi magical book (yay)＾

>>17096513
>newfags and crossboarders
Kill yourself, my man. Down the road.
>>17096519
Of course.

>>17096482
>subjective opinions
>opinions
>not subjective by definition

Based retard Sandersonposter.

>>17096550
>Kill yourself
lel, you're the one who refuses to do what you want. You just want everyone to do everything for you. Name ONE book you want to discuss.

>>17096555
>isn't capable of providing an objective opinion
NGMI, DIAF.

>>17096564
>Name ONE book you want to discuss.
Your mums diary. I featured in it.

>thread is halfway done in 7 hours
Not bad, spammers.

>>17096575
See? You are the same as anyone else, the only difference is that you pretend to be better. We know better that you aren't better, so you better be better if you want to be treated better by your betters.

>>17096580
Kek is this board really that slow?

>>17096587
This thread usually lasts 3 days. It's one of the few threads to ever reach the bump limit. One of the fastest threads on the board.

>>17096555
I've unironically found retards in this very general trying to pretend opinions aren't subjective, hence the need to elaborate. Maybe if I didn't actually think that retard was (You), I wouldn't have to :^)
>still no arguments

>>17096447
>so do not worry like you can always try and yay again(yaaay)＾
>yu will always be cute fairi＾
yaaaaaaaaaaaaay＾

>>17096447
>>17096547
>>17096598
＾

>>17096597
>taking 4chan seriously
You're already dead.

>>17096447
tranny hands typed this
YWNBAW

>>17096580
I'm literally not even replying to every shitpost, it could be worse.

>>17096609
>[PROJECTOR WHIRRING INTENSIFIES]

>>17096627
>not realizing that the purpose of the thread is 100% for shitposting
See: >>17096637

>>17096627
I am. Well, most of them at least. I’m jumping in and out of ongoing conversations.

>>17096651
I'm jumping in and out of you.

>>17096580
It's disappointing yet the trending norm of these threads being predominantly 80% shitposting.

When does this sort of posting become performance art?

>>17096667
When you can bait instant (you)’s

>>17096664
LMFAO! SELF-RIGHTEOUS WHINGING AT ITS FINEST! Would you mind getting off of your pedestal? No one wants to watch you jerking off from up on high.

>>17096671
Does it really count if someone is replying to all the posts? As >>17096651, which I assume is you, is doing?
>implying there aren't multiple people replying to all the posts so that they form an endless cycle

>>17096597
>”I was just pretending to be a retard because you’re a retard”

>>17096714
No is one pretending and no one is a retard. We're all just having our own form of mutual jerking off. It's not much a circle as it is a partner swap.

>>17096637
When did we get raided by Reddit?

> A grandfather’s smile, canny and adoring.

>>17096736
We always were Reddit.

>>17096736
Around the beginning of last decade.
Don't respond to newfags and their behavior won't be encouraged and enabled

>>17096768
That's wrong. It's self-perpetuating.

>>17096770
At this point due to several factors, sure, but you can still try.

This amount of Sanderson shitters finally coming to terms that Sando was always a hack will hopefully make them go away.

I like how it's been 29 posters for like the last 100+ posts.

>>17096781
Based.

That Sando white knight got BTFO pretty hard.

>>17096810
I hope you aren't resorting to replying to yourself at this point.

>>17096812
Seethe harder shitter.

>>17096812
>29 posters
>implying he hasn’t been doing that for the entirety of the thread

Joke’s on you.

> CURSE SANDARO!

>>17096817
I can only do that if you teach me how, o master of the seethe.

>>17096827
Jokes on all of us.

>>17096812
Samefag threw a bitch fit when I called him on it earlier. Newfags never, ever, at any point in time, lurk more and TRY. Zero effort makes them transparent.

>>17096101
his books, especially the 2nd series can be confusing even for native speakers

>>17096833
Fool me once: shame on you
Fool me twice: shame on me
Fool me three times: Shame on both of us

>>17096837
You are literally running blindly inside a labyrinth. You have no fucking idea who you’re replying to and your post makes you look like a fool.

>>17096845
Is this aspect of his literature generally appreciated or frowned upon? As in being pretentious/obnoxious.

>>17096853
No, anon, I am the labyrinth.

>implying you can tell posters apart

>>17096837
Maybe your posts were simply bad? Ever considered that, snowflake?

>>17096874
>thinking any post in these threads are good
Not even once.

I’m new to /lot/ are these threads usually like this?

>>17096714
>"I literally can't parse basic English"

>>17096886
They're usually worse

>>17096886
>can't even spell /lit/
Leave. Now. Never. Return.

>>17096890
>”I can’t write proper English “

>>17096904
This looks like a parking /lot/ discussion anyway.

>>17096890
>>17096906
>I can't not write worthless posts
>thinking I don't know this is one as well

>>17096886
No, but this is what happens when you try to discuss Sanderson. Salty manchildren upset by success. I mean I get it, you hate everything about him and yet can't stop reading his shit, but why do you have to go on at length about how much you fucking hate him with every single person who has anything less than caustic bile to say about him? Why do you keep reading? If you're so upset about people discussing him, why are you furthering the discussion? I'm starting to think this whole place is full of contrarian tryhards who don't enjoy reading anything they didn't read in their teens first.
It's like I'm literally back in /tv/.

>>17096597
>still no arguments

Hard to argue with a retard who refuses to read and pretends that opinions are objective,

Just cope and move on senpai. It’s getting pretty cringy at this point.

>>17096927
You came from /tv/ then? Could have said it sooner. Now I know why you like Sanderson.

>>17096927
Yes, that is 4chan. Every board, always, forever.

>>17096945
>senpai
weeaboo alert

>>17096976
>being this new

>>17096992
go back to /z/

>>17096927
>I'm starting to think this whole place is full of contrarian tryhards
You literally can’t make this shit up.

>Salty manchildren
You touched on a very good point. Only child minded individuals would ever read Sanderson.

>>17096927
This has to be bait, right?

>>17096927
I don’t hate Sanderson. I just think that he’s a bad writer.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

>>17097026
It's not bait if it gets guaranteed replies, then it's just (you) welfare.

>Whatever he was, he looked obscenely fat compared with the rakish Inrithi caste-nobles. Perhaps, Cnaiür thought, the Dûnyain planned to use his bulk as a shield should the Consult or Cishaurim attack.

>After inflicting a crushing defeat on the Shigeki, Anzumarapata II, the Nilnameshi King of Invishi, settled the Plains of Heshor with untold thousands of his people, hoping to secure his empire through forced resettlement. These dark-skinned people brought with them their indolent Gods and their promiscuous customs.


BAKKKKER NOOOOO

Okay. I still like Sanderson but I’m reading Rhythm right now and something is bothering me about Shallan’s investigation into who the traitor is in Shadesmar
>she assumes there’s only one traitor
>she doesn’t just keep the box with her (yes I get she’s trying to find the traitor but nevertheless, letting them communicate with their boss is terrible
And worst of all.. why doesn’t she just interrogate the cryptics? They notoriously can’t lie for shit and obviously will be working with their traitor radiant.

>>17097108
Pattern is the traitor.

Fuck you.

>>17097108
>Okay. I still like Sanderson
Why are you people like this? That book, according to you, is an insult to your intelligence. But you still start by saying that you still like Sanderson? Why?

You can like the author and dislike the book.

>>17097026
There's maybe 2 statements in there that are genuine bait. The rest of it is fuck you guys for being miserable cunts who literally can't enjoy anything.

>>17097108
You'll understand when you find out who the traitor is. Just remember, Shallan's default psychological state is wanton denial.

>>17097284
How ironic that you'd say that.

>>17097300
Why? I've been enjoying myself immensely.

>>17094598
there's this zelazny book, I guess, This Immortal maybe?

>>17094507
Do we know that for certain? He's definitely said he supports it, but he also lives in China and is recognizable internationally so you just know the CCP would be leaning on him pretty heavily with some of that beautiful Hundred Flowers gusto if he even thought about speaking out against it. I'm not saying he's lying, just asking if we can really trust the word of ANY prominent figure living within the CCP to be what it seems.

>>17094507
Wait, is it going to be adapted by Netflix? How would that even work without lobotomizing it for an American audience?
Why adapt it at all?

>>17097377
Yes, very good book too

Got memed into reading BotNS, why exactly do people like it? It's good because it's confusing? Is it satisfying on the first read (I'm not rereading this)?

>>17097562
Wolfe is a pseud-magnet. They flock to him.

>>17097569
So’s Bakker. At least the Sandershitters have no delusions about their plebhood.

I have to believe someone else read this because I only found it lurking here. I'm almost gave up on it about 2/3's in during the umpteenth meta-story that reads like a horrible nightmare because it's actually a horrible nightmare. Written by a pedophile And I'm all for edgy things in fantasy fiction, especially if you're intentionally leaning horror, but between that and the afterword I'm have to wonder if the author is maybe trying to admit something? It was a weird book overall, but the nature and creature bits were enjoyable. Wouldn't recommend to anyone but you fuckers.

>>17097562
If you were not satisfied by the time Severian describes the kind of sand the artists use, by the subtle world building that evokes perfectly well the wonder of how every tiny thing described has thousands of years behind it, it's probably not for you.
Maybe you need character development™, bad ass play by play anime fight scenes and being spoonfed lore. I recommend any writer that's not Gene Wolfe.

>>17097562
The kind of people who like Wolfe, or claim to like him, are the kind of people who make a big deal about prose, i.e. people who affect literary sensibilities, but don't actually know how to read or engage with literature.

>>17097562
I read it last year I think. It was a slog until the chapter where severian just walks and talks with the librarian. I don't remember anything standing out but something clicked and from then on I found the story enjoyable. It takes some time to get used to the writing style but the more you read the easier it gets. The story as a whole is really just severian wandering around doing random shit. It's really beautifully written with some amazing scenes though. Like how when you read black company for the first time the short, stilted style is really jarring until you get into the rhythm. Same thing with Wolfe style

Trudging through 'Eyes of the Overworld' at the moment. The prose is good and evocative, but it feels like a major step down compared to the previous Dying Earth book.

>character sees a pig while hunting
>"Porca troia"
>guess he is saying something related to pigs due to 'Porca'
>look up translation anyway
>"Slutty Sluts"

What?

>>17096959
/tv/ unironically has better discussions about books than most of this board.

>>17098229
>>>/tv/

>>17097284
>The rest of it is fuck you guys for being miserable cunts who literally can't enjoy anything.
And I will continue to shit on Sanderson just to fuck with you :)

>>17096976
>>17096998
This is how you let everyone know that you’re an underage Redditor.

>>17098200

just ordered the space trilogy, what am i in for

>>17097586
>At least the Sandershitters have no delusions about their plebhood.
Are you so sure about that? I’ve seen people here making bold claims like: “Sanderson is a good writer, you’re just jealous he’s so successful “.

>>17098252
>Pig assaults a woman
>described as 'cheeky'
>I assault a woman
>described as 'creepy

Fucking double standards.

>>17098261
they can't resist the BPC

>>17098107
Most people seem to think Cugel is a major step upward.

Why do people get so defensive about thing’s that they’ve invested so much time into?

This is quite possibly the most retarded phenomenon I’ve ever seen here.

>>17098312
stupid question

Sanderson killed this general.

>>17097639
what is wrong with character development?

everything points to the fact that i should like Sandersoy but I read his evil Superman fanfic a year or two ago and it was so bad I had to stop a quarter way through which is rare for me
yes I browse /tv/
yes I browse reddit (but not the comment sections)
yes I watch shounen anime (Saint Seiya ftw)
yes I am fat and religious

>>17097125
Better not be cunt
>>17097148
I don’t mind. Besides I’m fine with Veil being a retarded LARPer of espionage since she’s just a fake personality anyways
If characters I considered smart did this, I’d be angrier

>>17098961
Read nigga

>>17099000
I do read, just not Sandersoy

>>17098991
>If characters I considered smart did this, I’d be angrier
Like Navani? You’re in for a surprise.

>>17098961
Based truth poster

What's the etymology of "heighliner"? I still can't figure it out after all these years

>>17098961
>reading fanfic other than "harry potter dobby cuckold"
Go read basedlight archive man.

>>17099068
>Sanderzoomers
>Reading comprehension

Pick one.

>>17098312
Because they've made it part of their personal identity so you may as well be physically assaulting them.

>>17099037
Isn't it just a different spelling for highliner?

>>17099103
>Noun
>highliner
>1. A successful fisherman who catches significant numbers of fish.
What does that mean then?

>>17098822
>the only topic of discussion anyone's gone on about at any length whatsoever killed the thread

>>17098822
This thread acts exactly how any populated board about media behaves when <big popular thing> comes out. We don't get them often so it isn't as consistent, and RoW may be our first significant iteration of this advent..
>cue eternally shocked and awed newfags at this phenomenon

i’m a sanderfag and yes i’ll admit
> i live with my parents and eat wendy’s daily (sometimes carl’s junior)
> i don’t read anything else except manga and stars wars novels
> i’m a kissless handholdless virgin
> i fap 3-4 times per day to interracial tranny pr0n
> i read RoW on epub before it was released
so sue me, i like what i like.

I picked this up from the library and its terrible.

>>17099097
It's like the "video games are a waste of time" statement. Which any reasonable person would agree to, considering that the person does almost nothing else other than sit in a room playing games.

And still, people will fucking go berserk and shit on you. It's rather pathetic.

>>17099185
From someone who really enjoyed the first 2 SA books, I cannot honestly grasp how any person with an average IQ or above could enjoy Oathbringer and RoW.

>>17099195
What’s wrong, having trouble with the ever shifting gender of the characters? Or having trouble suspending disbelief that a 60 year old hag is the strongest person in the world?

What makes you drop a book?

Or do you force yourself to finish them?
I'm genuinely asking because I'm looking for hidden gems, and don't want to waste my time with hacks.

>will you guys seriously not knock it the fuck off with that terrible series I literally can't stop talking about???

>>17099257
Who are you quoting?

>>17099262
>not knowing what meme arrows imply

its a cope by Sandersoys that the ones bitching can't stop reading his shit
I touched it once years ago and never will again, dude is only famous because he's the only one writing

Have you been BAKKERPILLED yet?

>>17099255
That isn't how it works. If you want to do that you'll have to find someone else who has already found them for you.

>>17099207
It's like the "reading is a waste of time" statement. Which any reasonable person would agree to, considering that the person does almost nothing else other than sit in a room reading.
And still, people will fucking go berserk and shit on you. It's rather pathetic.

>>17099289
>layers of irony

>>17099289
>being this new

>>17099195
Should've read it a bit before you checked it out.

>>17099353
How, if I can genuinely not enjoy his prose?

>>17099037
heigh - expressing encouragement or inquiry.
liner - "vessel belonging to a shipping line," 1838, from line (n.) on notion of a succession of ships plying between ports along regular "lines," as distinguished from transient ships using those ports

>>17099368
Joke's on you. Reading has helped me immensely in my professional career. I've learned two new languages because of it.

What did you achieve by playing video games, an e-sports career?

>>17099379
Your enjoyment doesn't matter. We all have to do that which we don't enjoy for our own betterment.

>>17099353
“I was there, Master …” Anon said. “I saw. No one could have saved Bakker!”
Sanderson held him in the clasp of endless engines.
“Do you mean his life, or her soul?”
The nets of muscle sheathing him flexed into the sigil of horror.
“Does it trouble you, Anon?”
And he was shadow-play, his disciple, the light of cosmic enormities bent small across the surface of a tear. He was an oak leaf, riding the yaw and twizzle of drafts, hanging above the rumour of whirlwinds …
A glimpse through the aperture we confuse for life …
“D-does what … what trouble me?”
Sanderson was anything but a Man.
“To know that Bakker burns in Hell.”

>>17099401
I have to stop reading at times because I don't understand what a certain sentence is trying to convey.

Like I get it that we like meme prose Authors like Wolfe but at least I can understand what he writes.

>>17099394
Joke's on you. Games have helped me immensely in my professional career. I've learned two new languages because of it and got managerial experience, among other helpful skills.

What did you achieve by reading books directly?

>>17099416
>Based anon writes better prose than Sanderson.
>I wish I was trolling.
>I'm not.

>>17099417
As long as you accept your place as part of the Bakkermind, nothing else matters.

>>17099418
>got managerial experience
So you finally made it as a KFC Manager?

Congrats anon. I'm genuinely happy for you.

>>17099428
300k starting

>>17099228
Its like someone's power fantasy but they had to chainge the gender to appease Tumblr, when that was still a thing.

>>17099439
I believe you. Where are you living in Venezuela?

Literally everywhere I got to outside of /lit/ . Every /sff/ fan-base. There are multiple posts like:

> "Is character X/Y/Z homosexual?"
> "Why are there no gay and lesbian characters?"
> "Do you think that character Y is trans? I would really like to see that"
> "There are notes of racism in the series because of how made-up alien race X is being treated."
> "The author is clearly being apologetic about colonialism because of how he described made up alien race in chapter Z"

Why are people like this?
I'm gay and this is going to completely destroy any form of /sff/ entertainment in the long run.

>>17099481
you're actually surprised that woketards ruin everything with their insufferable virtueshitting? wake up, m'faggot.
> i am gay too btw

>>17099481
That's because the only other place you go is reddit.

>>17099526
Go to the official Sanderson forums and see it for yourself.

>>17099526
It's all over goodreads

>in its earlier forms, modern fiction was frequently only a vehicle for a sugar-coated lesson in morality
>today, the message can be equally important as a reason for the devising of the entertainment - but the entertainment faction is paramount. If the reader accepts the author's message in the course of enjoying his work, then so much the better. But many readers turn to fiction, and particularly science fiction, primarily as a means to escape from the immediate problems of the mundane world. They are not interested in the message, the moral lesson, except as it can be presented in the most palatable, titillating or exciting form.
>so science fiction is entertainment, first.
Well, suh fuh fuh guh? Is this (You)?

>>17099526
>Still hasn't realized that what goes on in Reddit has overtaken the world.

Where have you been living for the past 4 years?

>>17099555
>People like entertaining stories.

No shit. If I wanted moral lessons I would read the Bible.

>>17099453
You haven’t even seen how bad it really gets yet.

>George RR Martin is a better writer than Bakker
Fight me. GRRM might not have the same intensive philosophical inquiry as the canadian autist, but he makes up for it with better storytelling with obviously much wider appeal. I'd argue their worldbuilding is on par, but GRRM wins because it's less clearly a rip-off of LOTR. And Bakker's grimdark edgelord shit and hollow characters get so tiresome after thousands of pages. At least GRRM has a sense of humor and writes enjoyable characters worthy of the reader's empathy.

>>17099584
>one Canadian (You)

>>17099584
>He thinks that GRRM is fantasy

LMAO

Bump Limit Reached

>>17099642
Do a new one then so that I can Sanderpost.

>>17099680
kys sanderscum

>>17099581
The more I read the more I notice the word thesaurus. The writing is so lazy.

>>17099537
goodreads is 80% women

>>17099740
Hot.

Death came swirling down

Someone please make this the OP pic of the next thread

>>17099805
lmao at that disinfectant

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>>17095805
Read the first book. I feel the ending is disappointing outside of the big reveal/twist (which is great) and it lacks a certain something in its language/prose, which i hope improves as the books go but other than that it's a decent romp, a wot without its most egregious faults.

>>17099481
>this is going to completely destroy any form of entertainment in the long run.
FIFY