/lit/ - Literature

>>17071368
LOL mindfulness and meditation is actually used in therapy.

Some meditation is cool. I like the monks that hang out with dead bodies.
Say you'll try it, but only if she buys you a corpse to use.

>>17071368
>I know for a fucking fact it does nothing
And what fact would that be?

>>17071368
Sorry, anon, but your mom is partially right. The positive energy and affirmations are bullshit but meditation really does help and there's tons of research to support that.

>>17071368
Tell me, how do you know it is useless, and then you ask for lit to debunk it?
Start with the greeks.

It's legit, OP. It does help in a ton of situations and improves your psychological health, as long as there isn't anything physically wrong with your brain. Ditch the supernatural mumbo jumbo, because that part is just as insane as any other religion and just take the practical benefits. It's not magical, tho. You have to train your mind and sort of fake it till you make it.
>>17071421
Man, theravadas really are a joyless death cult.

>>17071368
Secular westerners just use samatha meditation to be relaxed and mindful, but religious people have many other reasons for samatha and vipassana (insight) meditation, rather than just to feel good, and many methods rather than just trying to "clear the mind". 5 hour long meditation won't do shit unless you're the Dalai Lama, but 10-40 minutes, yes it can be good. But anyway,
>>17071435 is right.
>I know for a fucking fact
Where did you get this fucking fact? How do you know this fucking fact?

>>17071428
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>>17071752
I actually tried it. Nothing happened other than relaxing me a little. Seriously, the idea of thinking nothing for a few minutes doing anything else than just relaxing you is just completely illogical.

>>17071876
Maybe if you try meditating regularly you won't be such a fucking sperg. Meditation isn't just some oriental mysticism either btw, it has an ancient tradition in the West too. That's why the word exists, from latin medi- (to channel) -tate (head).

>>17071876
its completely illogical to assume that removing yourself from the constant workings of the mind isnt beneficial to your psyche

What a bunch idiotic answer. OP, your intuition is right. Meditation is quackery. And the science to back it’s efficacy is all moronic.

I wish i could tell you any good resources but i dont think that would get to the core of the issue at all anyway. However, if you must, there’s equal amount of literature against the detrimental effects as there is positive ones. A lot of occurring psychoses, due to uncovering of psychologically adequate processes that erupts within an inadequate personality(!!) which is continuously not developed by such bullshit as “cleansing the mind” instead of contemplating a suiting course of action.

However the bottom line is that we should all strive to be as satisfied and fulfilled with our lives as possible.
God bless

>>17071876
>anecdotal evidence is facts
Dangerously based

>>17071966
I agree that there is quackery in certain religious and secular meditation techniques, but meditation is way too broad of a term to be judged like that. I also agree with you about the dangers. Responsible meditation retreat centers don't accept people with diagnosed mental health issues.
>God bless
You know there are legitimate Christian meditations right?

>>17071876
>Nothing happened other than relaxing me a little
What did you expect

>>17071876
To me this is a far better form of meditation: observe the thoughts that arise but don't attach yourself to them. Be in a state of heightened awareness but without ego-clinging. Thoughts will arise but let them die.

Especially as a beginner, you will NOT be clearing your mind. You just have to focus on awareness of senses and thoughts. And yes, it is a practice, which means you do it continually. You don't have to meditate, it doesn't ultimately matter if you do or don't, but don't disparage it when you don't know much about it and also have only done it once or twice.

>>17071368
don't fall for that shit

>>17071368
>tfw anons mom is cool but her son is a hylic

Meditation is real, Astral Projection is real, ESP is real. fuck you, you're no worse than some atheist faggot.

>ESP
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/NSA-RDP96X00790R000100030004-1.pdf
>Astral Projection
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
>Meditation
literally just google search lol

>>17072395
real doesn't equal good though

>>17072409
what do you mean? there are many benefits that come with Astral Projection and Meditation. ESP is more of a useful tool.

>>17072416
benefits like possession you mean? severe cases of psychosis? strong suicidal thoughts?

>>17071368
>>17071368
my dad and stepmom are into all that woo woo watered-down buddhism. whenever i'm with their friends or other like-minded family members, they look at me like i'm a freak because i'm doing generic white collar work. but when i talk about my garbage ink drawings that i do for fun or "maybe becoming a teacher someday" their eyes light up. it's quite funny actually. its like i'm the black sheep for not having an etsy store or whatever.

we're lucky. a lot of people grow up w/ alcoholics.

>>17072440
only weak willed faggots get possessed. Demons only have as much control over you as you give them.

> psychosis? strong suicidal thoughts?
proof?

>>17072449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Sbs0YOGk8

>>17072471
>Western Meditation
>Thinking about nothing while meditating.
Fucking kek.
Also isn't meditation a practice that goes against the bible and god? and that is a Christian Youtube channel, pretty bias.

>>17072537
>didn't watch the video

>>17071368
>wants to start with a conclusion and then prove it
That's not how you study things Anon.
You're also wrong.

>>17071966

>>17071876
>I did one session of a technique whose benefits are often based on years of practice
>I only saw almost negligible improvements
Anyway, I never went to the gym ever again.

>>17072564
you're right! i'm not wasting 30 minutes watching something that I know doesn't affect me. If you know how to properly meditate then literally none of that information matters.

>>17071368
Seething hylic

>>17072583
I wish you the best, anon.

>>17072592
>>>/x/pg
powers general

>>17072599
>Spending time in quiet reflection and self-contemplation is a magical power
My god, I didn't think zoomers were THIS bad

>>17071403
so is gender reassignment surgery
>>17072599
imma stick to what I believe in

>>17072612
Christian monks also meditate you utter retard.

>>17072582
this

>>17072621
not like you do

>>17071368
meditation is good for your mind, it is proved by countless of studies
more than 20 minutes a day is a waste of time and 10 minutes it's enough for most people
that if you can stick to it
>positive energy, and other spiritual bullshit
positive energy is bullshit; the closest thing to PE that can actually work is not being hateful and angry all the time
the better you feel the easier it is to make rational decisions
spirituality is bullshit as well

Wait if I meditate are demons really going to get me

>>17072636
makes for easy access

>>17072632
forgot to add, you don't have to be some religious fanatic in order to meditate
better said you can be an atheist and meditate, there's no conflict

>>17071435
You probably should change your thought patterns to be more positive though, you're on this rock for probably 80+ years you don't want to go around with a constant negative mindset. Your brain filters your entire reality so you should probably make it filter it in a beneficial and good way. So at least in the sense of "be more positive" she's not wrong.

>>17072610
it's not a magical power you retard. never said it was, but it has good information on meditation, astral projection etc.

>>17071368
>Give me a book that debunks meditation so i can pester my mother
Imagine being so pathetic

>>17072640
How do demons jive with contemporary physics

>>17072631
>Sitting in contemplation is magically different because Jeffrey is in a building shaped like a cross but Ng is in a building shaped like a pagoda.
God Proties are such fucking idiots. This is what rejecting Christian Apologetics does to your brain.

>>17072636
no, they're not. unless you're a weak minded bitch of an individual, but if that was the case, they would've already gotten to you.

>>17072650
goes beyond matter

>>17071368
Meditation is a great practice that it is never worth talking to anyone else about.

>>17072636
Not as long as your resonant energy balloon is active and protecting your body. If you achieve full emptiness without a resonant energy field or a holy symbol present the demons will instantly hijack your neurological structure.

>>17072644
I don't know. I think my pessimism is what keeps me cheerful. Optimists are easily disappointed. Pessimists like me, expecting nothing good, are well equipped to deal with tragedy and pleasantly surprised when things go well.

I don't get the western meditation meme, just go for a walk if you need to clear your head, or take a bath or something. Buddhists meditate so they can remove illusions, attachments and desires.

>>17071368
QUIT BEING A BITCH AND HANG OUT WITH YOUR MOM. IF YOU CAN'T MEDITATE TELL HER YOU WANNA HANG WITH HER ANYWAY. MOMS ARE FUCKING BLESSING AND EVERYONE CAN'T HAVE A GOOD ONE THAT ACTUALLY CARES. QUIT BEING A FUCKING TEENAGER. THERE'S NOTHING COOL ABOIT HIDING YOUR FEELINGS AND ACTING EDGY.

>>17072685
If you're cheerful then you're not a negative thinker. Negative thought patterns do nothing good, it makes life so much more difficult. I know from experience.

>>17072661
>Sitting in contemplation is magically different because Jeffrey is in a building shaped like a cross but Ng is in a building shaped like a pagoda.
yes. also you weren't just talking western meditation but also astral projection bs.
no

>>17072661
*>Proties
no

>>17072703
you're arguing with the wrong person
this >>17072661 isn't me, i'm the AP dude

>>17072685
>optimists are easily disappointed
A retarded and utterly self-contradictory statement. Why would anyone who always sees the benefit in every situation be disappointed in anything? You're confusing optimism with naivete. Stupidly believing that inevitable negative consequences will magically not happen is stupidity, not optimism. Optimism is recognizing that bad things can be lessons, or even help you redirect your energy into other directions.

>>17072703
>Yes
Well thank you for being expedient in confirming that you're either a complete idiot or fucking around. Now I know not to take you seriously.

>>17072725
>being in a demonic temple is the same as being in the house of the lord
baka

>>17072762
You're right, worshiping the Foreskin Demiurge is obviously far worse than devotion to the Holy Bodhisattva. Christian and Buddhist meditation aren't even on remotely the same moral level.

I was going to try it but now I'm scared of demons

>>17072774
>gnostic idiocy

>>17072777
and you've already given into the shills. weak minded faggot.

>>17072861
t.

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>>17072662
>>17072449

Is it possible to harness the energy of demons for works of good

>>17072896

Yes my child. Imdagub is here. You simply must say my name and state your request.

>>17072664
but if demons, angels, God, etc. interact with matter wouldn't we be able to measure that interaction?

>>17072961
>but if demons, angels, God, etc. interact with matter wouldn't we be able to measure that interaction?
Not OP, but God doesn't "interact" with matter, he IS matter. I know how it sounds, how can something be everywhere and nowhere at the same time, right? If you cut out these /x/ schizos and their mystic bs and think of God as more of an "influence" on the universe like gravity or a mathematical property, than you'll realize the signs always been there. The universe isn't chaotic,everything follows a system of order or property of some kind. There's logic to everything that can or will happen, which means there's some greater law acting at large. That alone proves the existence of God. How much of an influence it has on our individual conscience or whether this entity even has a conscious is simply unknowable to us at this point in time, perhaps we'll never know.

GENESIS 3:19

“and to dust you shall return”

FUCK INNER PEACE, POWER COMES FROM THE ID. FUCK.

>>17072612
wait wait wait, you know for a fact meditation does nothing, but you're a christian? lmfao ok tradcath zoomer

>>17071368
>I know for a fucking fact it does nothing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_meditation

>>17071368
you're very close-minded. meditation is absolutely life-altering and amazing. you should be nicer to your mother and respect her

>>17071966
Kys christcuk

>>17071368
>t. Mouth breathing incel getting filtered by his own mother

I don't care for meditation. Much prefer going on long walks. Maybe that's "meditative" in its own right, but whatever.

>>17074203
walking absolutely is a form of meditation.

>>17071368
There’s actually studies that show that mediation makes someone more self-centred and self-absorbed.

>>17074238
there's studies that show everything is good and bad, who cares about studies

>>17072796
>Image actually hurts
Sometimes I wish God was real.

>>17074250
dangerously based

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>>17072416
pray tell, what specific benefits does it bring?
inb4 vague terms like "mindfulness", or impressing a catscan doctor with a colorful brain chart

>>17072448
>etsy store
kek

>>17073189
thanks for answering

>>17074250
this guy gets it

>>17072685
I think there should be a solid middle ground, lets say that you are going into a task that is a realm of possibility for you to accomplish, I don't think it would be a good Idea for you to have the expectation of failure. BUT lets say just for an example you decide to go into a Mcpolice station™ with a gun pulled out you're obviously going to be turned into swiss cheese and no amount of positive outlooks will save you, perhaps that was an insane example but you get the point of don't believe you're gonna do obviously impossible shit just because you believe.

>>17074238
effects depends on the method; metta meditation will make you more empathetic towards others while pure concentration meditation can make you more cynical.

>hey mom i meditated on the idea that meditation is RETARDED and guess what? IT DIDNT DO SHIT
>what's that? you just want to help me be happy? well guess what, strangers on the internet recommended me these books that prove all your feelings of self-improvement are delusions. who's got the shitty attitude now, MOM?

Is your mom a teacher too?
Our parent's generation suffered some of the greatest trauma from the forced removal of our spiritual roots. Anything that isn't Jesus is going to appear trendy, shiny and effective. Only Jesus, Jesus Christ can give us real spiritual healing.

Your own root has been removed and replaced with dandelionweeds, blow make a wish.
> remove all elements of spiritual growth in America
>bandaid buddha basics
>prosperity gospel counter to Jesus teaching

>>17071368
I tried meditating for 5 minutes right now. I got distracted twice. First I thought about some girl from HS, refocused, then got lost thinking about politics. I'll keep working on it, thinking is overrated.

>>17071876
Sounds like a little relaxation would do you good, you tightly-wound sperg

>>17076441
Shut up bro, Christianity still dominates America

>>17071368
Fuck off to whatever you came from fucking retard. This board may be full of idiots but you're even worse than them. Just gtfo.

>>17072440
Dude what the hell are you talking about

>>17077011
Look I came off unintentionally jaded, sorry. I believe in Christ and America. I was stating historical facts that have occurred since the 70s. Pardons for thinking about a time when prayer commonplace in public.

>>17076265
Yeah you can be positive AND realistic, it doesn't mean be a retard who thinks they can do everything and anything and that anything is possible