/lit/ - Literature

yes you should read it

you should go back to ireland and read it

take your time

Yes. It's readable. If you haven't read it, I would consider reading Ulysses after "Portrait of the Artist as a young man". (I'd like to write "Portrait of the Artist" as an abbreviation, but sadly that's a different story he abandonded.)
Skip Finnegans Wake though.

fuck yes truman is back
missed you bro

ive read and enjoyed a bunch of books by an author but someone entirely unqualified told me not to read the next one so i come to you also entirely unqualified people to ask your opinion and the time i spend reading this thread could be spent trying the novel by myself.

and im an irishman, too.

Portrait is his best work.

>>1705473
>>1705474

Ok so i'll read it. I've been meaning to read Ulysses again, I feel sad every time I try and read it because my granddad used to read it to me when I was young and I read it in his soft Irish voice.

Are there any good biographies of Joyce? I've got reason to believe he lived an interesting life.

>>1705476

thanks for welcoming me back bro
anything significant happen while I was gone?

I was going to read 'The Autobiography of Malcolm X' next -to learn more about the man himself- but my friend's mother (who is black) told me it was the weakest of his works; a whiney and petulant piece which even he disregarded in later life.

>>1705487

>/lit/
>not qualified to give advice

>>1705492
Richard Ellman's biography is pretty good.

Irish culture is horribly, therefore I suspect Irish books are bad too.

Although, that's just me guessing. I honestly dunno. I just think James Joyce looks like a thundercunt.

>>1705503
they are bad but you in particular might learn from the grammar

>>1705503

But I think it's absurd that a country as historically poor, socially fractured by alcoholism and genetically corrupted by interbreeding could produce some of the finest writers ever (Yeats, Joyce, Beckett and Shaw).

Maybe it's the beauty of the country or the country's seemingly ceaseless suffering had the same effect on art and literature as war invariable has, only slow burning.

As an anonymous member of /lit/, I hereby grant you permission to read The Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

Enjoy!

>>1705518

sooo like are you deliberately eliding british imperialism's role in all those things or what

>>1705518
yes, maybe.

>>1705523

No, I just don't feel it's necessary to point it out.

But it is almost cliche'd to blame all of Ireland's problems on Britain, not that they didn't have a huge part to play in the continuous suffering of the Irish people.

>>1705541

ah, word

read the book; dedalus is def whiny and petulant much of the time but i think in part joyce is sending up the convention of the author as a "sensitive soul" and at any rate the prose is fantastic

>>1705518
Historically pure? Really?

you'd be better off with Sean O Faolain

>I'm
>my
>I
>my
>I
>my
>I
>my
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>me

Say, what's this thread about?

>>1705492
>>1705492
nothing much
there's some guys who are just using for exapmle mine and D&E's name with a diff tricode to 'render trips irrelevant'

i can't wait to see how that turns out

>>1705574
For real?

>>1705558

That's a relief, I thought the narrator might become too annoying if the prose wasn't exceptional enough to save it.

>>1705565

I've never heard of this author, did he writer about the irish as a people? I would have thought you would have preferred Flan O'Brien or something.

>>1705579
Yeah. They think then can pwn us, but we are going to pwn them!

>>1705583
I don't see how their using our names would render the trip obsolete.

>>1705586
To tell you the truth, nor do I.

>>1705589
Now would be a good time to say that I love to take it arse-ways.

>>1705581
He was a short story writer who fought in the war of independence. He kept writing as the nation developed. more salt of the earth stuff imo

>>1705571

James Joyce and I.

>>1705574
>>1705589
>>1705586
>>1705583
>>1705579

How whiney and petulant. They're not even TRYING to be convincingly flamboyant with their magniloquence.

>>1705592
I have a dour, one-sentence response to this.

>>1705596
do you feel the power of all life through you when you took the name? if not then you cannot use it correctly.

>>1705594
>How whiney and petulant.

Don't get any shit on your finger.

>>1705598
Honey, this is 4chan. Life--and its power--is elsewhere.

>>1705591

I'll definitely check him out, thanks d&e.

>>1705596
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>>1705603
Behold, another decent, productive literature thread sabotaged by jellymad anons and onionring.

>>1705603
nope. saying it is not life implicitly denies your living in this space. you are either here and sincere, or get out.

hey truman when you make a productive post it'll be your first so don't worry about the thread.

>>1705471
Actually Joyce disregarded only his early unfinished novel Stephen Hero (proto-portrait of the artist), which he even tried to burn in a fireplace, but it's a well-known story so no need to retell it once again. As of The Portrait, I'm pretty sure it's worth reading, although it's later part is written in an annoying pompous language, but if you'll accept it just as another modernist method of making a proper portrait of young JJ, you may like it.

>>1705607
Those aren't Anons, those are tripfriends.

>>1705621
More like tripFIEND huh?

>>1705626
Your sage is impotent and useless.

Just thought I'd show you.

>>1705618

I hope it is. I was looking to read something a bit more gentle before I begin War and Peace, but if the prose is as beautiful as it was in The Dubliners then I should be ok.

>>1705611

I think your hypocrisy is beginning to irritate me more than your adolescent narcissism. I doubt you can do much free thinking when you are in the grip of such an acute superiority complex.

>>1705659
my judgments of you are always post reading your posts which was done sincerely

>>1705632
How so?

Y'all niggas might find this interesting:

http://www.columbia.edu/~fms5/ulys.htm

>>1705715

delicious

Old Bold Poldy, Joyce wasn't quite an artist as his portrait would have you believe.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001759978610&sk=wall

WHAT
THE
FUCK
IS
GOING
ON

What I love about Ulysses is that it's sheer poetry, an actual poem for 900 pages. Joyce can make feeding a cat an intrinsically beautiful thing.

>>1705748

Statistically unsurprising.

>>1705748
"Stephen Dedalus added Hands and 4 other pages to his interests."
I like this guy.

Read it, it tells why Joyce became a artist.