/lit/ - Literature

>>17047855
>education
he was born with a high IQ, no amount of education is going to turn somebody into Socrates

Literally once in a millennium mind. No amount of education would suffice.

>>17047855
Just always ask annoying questions

>>17047855
We know very little about Socrates. He was a soldier once and is said to have been a stonemason. Socrates said the reason he was so smart is because of a little god he would listen to.

>>17047855
The average STEM student today is smarter than Socrates. He was just a primitive who would ask stupid shit like "why man must move rock durr?" All of you just fondle his nuts because of his reputation. He was lucky to be a bit smarter than the average person back during a time where higher education basically didn't exist, so his childish questions seemed important to his contemporaries. He shouldn't even be discussed anymore as anything other than a footnote in history considering the amount of knowledge we have available at our disposal.

>>17047895
schizos win again

>>17047907
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He acknowledged that he was dumb, which allowed him to learn.

>>17047907
The average STEMfag has a room temperature IQ.

>>17047855
Smart people realize their limits. Smart people don't accept what people tell them uncritically. Socrates was both of these things. Most people who don't accept what people tell them are actually unaware of their limits, so they turn out to be idiot pseuds. Those aware of their limits who accept what others tell them are better, but end up composing the ossified ranks of majority academia, nobodies who will die without anyone remembering them. The clue that you're smart is this: Smart people will recognize that you can speak their language and understand everything they say, but then you will turn out to disagree and say things they think are crazy. They'll call your views crazy for being nonconformist, but still give you A's on your papers and classes and want to be friends with you.

>>17047907

guess how i know youre 15

>>17047855
You have to understand: They had special technology that was built around frotting and buggery, designed to directly download the teacher's wisdom into your colon. At that time, Socrates was bestowed with the wisdom of the ages as passed down by a hundred generations when he received the downLOAD.

Modern homosexuals lost the technology in the dark ages. Now, they inadvertently inject each other with pop culture references and gossip.

>>17047855
An irreplaceable un-recreatable figure of world-historical importance and unlikely to ever see the likes again in being; similar to the Greek tragedians.

That said, to creatively recreate what he was doing for your own ends (for philosophical ends if your ends are philosophical; i.e. as philosopher) then you must be an Entp, and naturally a genius.

>Heidegger identifies Socrates as the “purest thinker of the West” (Heidegger 1968: 17), and it is this classification as a “pure thinker” that we are committed to unpacking as it relates to Socrates’ understanding and practice of his dialectic method, his view of “truth,” and his understanding of philosophy (or thinking) as a process of original learning (paideia). Socrates, in his ever-renewed quest for truth, observes Heidegger, is courageously “drawn to what withdraws,” and when this happens to a thinker in the process of authentically thinking, he is drawn into “the enigmatic and herefore mutable nearness of its appeal,” despite being “far away from what withdraws” and even though “the withdrawal may remain as veiled as ever” (Heidegger 1968, 17). This, as we explain constitutes or instantiates for Heidegger the “living context” of thinking, a context facilitating the “draft” of the dynamic counter-striving of lighting and concealing, and Socrates, according to Heidegger, did “nothing else than place himself into this draft, this current, and maintain himself in it,” and this is why, according to Heidegger he was the purest thinker of the West (Heidegger 1968: 17).


>Kiekegaard said ”The knowledge that he knew nothing is not at all the pure, empty nothing one usually takes it to be, but the nothingness of the determinate content of the world as it is. The knowledge of the negativity of all finite content is his wisdom, through which he is drawn into himself, and he expresses this exploration of his own inwardness as his absolute goal, as the beginning of infinite knowledge, yet merely the beginning since this consciousness has nowise been consummated but IS only the negation of everything established in a finite sense”. Also Kierkegaard wrote, “He admittedly freed the single individual from every presupposition, freed him as he himself was free”.
>“Instead of speculatively setting his negativity to rest, he set it far more to rest in the eternal unrest in which he repeated the same process with each single individual. In all this, however, that which makes him into a personality is precisely irony… Naturally this [Socrates’ claim of knowing nothing] conceals a polemic and dismays anyone who has found his repose in one or another finite relation to the divine”.

https://medium.com/@edwardliguori/kierkegaards-view-on-socrates-and-its-relevance-to-modernity-403bb3c1a66
https://philosophy.tabrizu.ac.ir/article_9433_cd416ca3cda1374115faa0a437a0729c.pdf

>>17047855
I think you're conflating education and intelligence.

>We’ve got a cohesive society, we’re unified. It’s like about the war now. We’re all together on this. We know what courage is. So there would have been no space for the Socratic inquiry [during Homer’s time]. It was only after a rather unpleasant experience in a Greek war …but after a tragic experience with the war and a military dictatorship, the words that had become standard in their culture and had been used unproblematically with meanings attaching to definite positions began to be sources of irritation, and so the ground and the possibility for Socrates inquiry was not really his individual genius, although that itself is a nice thing and not against it, but it was not possible except against a background of a society that had deeply begun to question what these words really meant.

-Rick Roderick

tl;dr Socrates was smart and living in the right time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ_hUxuumk0

>>17049385
>entp
>a genius
God why is your kind so stupid.

>>17047907
>we have more knowledge available at our disposal because of teh interwebz therefore our society is just better!

>>17047855
Don't listen to all the it was because he had muh 'high quantifiable IQ number' or 'genius mind' bugmen, they are all just fatalist retards who oversimplify with their bland metrics because it's expedient. Honestly, this new metric of IQ seems to me the most disgusting feature of modernity

It isn't about an education in any kind of 'institution' however. It requires a special kind of internal philosophy, Socrates saw the soul of beauty and understood that the highest pleasure is found in understanding reality, a mystic rapture that brought rational man the greatest happiness.
From the sounds of it though, you are more interested acquiring the reputation of Socrates rather than any sincere quest for truth

>>17047855
It's not unreasonable to think that the thoughts attributed to him were not really his but rather the thoughts of the people of Plato's academy. It's almost unbelievable that someone could actually exist like him.

>>17047970
>>17047996
>>17049295
>replying

>>17050646
i think this too

>>17050468
Oh god go back to Pol

>>17047855
You need to be molested by an even smarter man in your teens. It's the only way for genious to blossom.

>>17047855
Heem sleepy.

>>17050646
We have multiple depictions of Socrates from different people. They point to him being a wise man who was willing to question things that were previously unquestionable (like what justice is, what piety is, etc.) to the point the state put him down, but he was probably not interested in mystical forms or estate management like Plato and Xenophon said.

>>17050535
t. 115 IQ

>>17047855
It helps being fucking wealthy and being able to dedicate your time entirely to study and nothing else. Also to physical activity.

>>17047907
>>17047872
>t. hasn't read plato

>>17047907
Stop falling for obvious bait

>>17052650
Asking annoying questions is the Socratic method though.

>>17047895
he called it his "daemon," but I think it was just autism

reading makes you dumb