/lit/ - Literature

*invents cyberpunk*
heh

yea you would say that whitey

>>17043619
stay away from my asshole. the book said you'd be grabbing for it and putting cream all over it the first chance you got

If you view it as a novel about 60s counterculture then the race stuff is pretty crucial

what is GR about, thematically?

>>17043627
why would i view the novel as that when it's set in WW2?

>>17043632
rocket go vroom

>>17043632
Wait for the autistic essay anon to arrive.

>>17043627
>set in the 40s
>it's about the 60s!
does /lit/.com/forums really...?

>>17043636
Because it is. The WW2 setting is a device to allow Pynchon to address then current issues without doing so directly. I mean, the Schwarzkommando are obviously a stand-in for the Black Panthers

>>17043673
"What"

>>17043673
>not realizing that these are not contradictory statements
Never gonna make it

>>17043636
Holy shit

>>17043636
based

>>17043636
Isn't it actually set in a 1960s film festival where the whole story you've been reading is actually a film and when the rocket hits the screen from the movie side the project bulb blows out

>>17043688
Where does it say that? I thought Pynchon was a recluse anyway what did he know about 60s counterculture?

>>17043921
>>17043688
>>17043938
What does Pynchon say about the 60s, particularly race? I need to know if he's based on cringe before I read it.

>>17044021
You think some guy who put all that shit about astrology and shit didn't know anything about 60s culture?

>>17044027
imagine lobotomizing yourself with 4chan memes

>>17044021
He wrote TCoL49 and Inherent Vice.

>>17043553
Pynchon loves BBC

>>17044047
imagine not just telling me what he says about race. your hesitancy makes me think he says some cuck shit

>>17044074
Didn't he imply Malcolm X was gay in the the toilet part? No one else has dared to go there.

>>17044085
Pynchon is a male. Put two and two together.

>>17043632
Fuck if I know

>>17044027
There's one passage where a white guy eats a giant turd and it remind his of BBC

>>17043632
Free Will vs. Determinism, just like Iliad, but with way more scat

Was an MK Ultra agent jerking him off while he was high on acid imagining Malcolm X trying to rape him? I didn’t get that part

>>17044027
It doesn’t align well with any extant 2020 ideological perspectives. Its basic thesis is liberal, but pessimistic about politics in general.
Portrays black people well but in a way that would make a shitlib toss the book across the room, the Nazis are bad guys but conglomerates and Allied think tanks are the Bad Guys.
But like the other guy said, if you’re evaluating GR on how well it’s seen through the lens of memes, you’re lobotomizing yourself and depriving yourself of a very good and interesting experience.

>>17043636
Who do you think "the counterforce" is, bro?

>>17044021
Yeah what would a pothead who lived in California throughout a huge chunk of his adult life care about hippies

>>17043632
the book deliberately avoids grand systematization through themes. any "theme" or "current of ideas" is regularly disrupted through humour, dreams, hallucinations, jokes, memories, and other very human experiences. instead, the book captures how disorienting the war was to all previous forms of systematizing. serious behaviouralism and psychoanalysis is portrayed as running around a ruin with a toilet on your foot looking for a dog, or as an infant hardon, or as an erection-controlled rocket. romance becomes cuckoldry, BDSM, pedophilia...

but the book is not "about" BDSM or erections. those things serve as colours of a picture of confusion whose shapes have not been traced and remain untraceable. they remain untraceable because the book is aiming at situating you there and conveying as much as possible the raw unsystematized experiences of many presences during the theatre of ww2

>>17043688
maybe harry potter is more your style of book

>>17044027
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-watts.html?_

read this essay

>>17043636
It’s not set during WW2

>>17044561
but the anon above just said you're a retard if you think it was about the war and not the 60s

>>17044622
Ok thanks. I won't be reading any Pynchon now. Its not about disagreement. Hes just fundamentally wrong and naive and partisan. It doesn't matter whether he's a good writer or not. Anyone who actually believes this kind of retardation isn't worth listening to. Not only is it just wrong, its basic bitch.

Anyone who has ever lived around blacks knows the truth about them, and this ain't it. I was Mr Sympathize with the Black Man's Plight for a long time, but my experiences showed me how idiotic I'd been. I won't be lectured about race by some liberal faggot who never had to get near them.

>>17043688

>>17044622
Oof... well saved me some time reading his horseshit.

PASS

>>17045418

>>17044622
>he was a good boi he din do nuffin
Ah yes Pynchon very insightful very original I must read your work now so I can learn about how blacks murdering people is white men's fault. Someone give this man another book deal for fucks sake!

>>17045464
Sorry you feel that way. What do you want me to say? Like I said, I went out of my way to be antiracist and liberal toward blacks. But I'm not going to pretend like my experiences with them didn't happen. There is nothing you can say to change reality. Not even my top ranked ultra liberal college could prevent me from doing a 180 once I lived among them. It is what it is.

>>17045418

for fucks sake, shit like this makes me so sad. 4chan is literally lobotomising people. I assume then, OP, that all other authors you have graced with your attention have had opinions, political or otherwise, that align with yours perfectly?

>>17045418
>>17045450
>>17045486
>the pynch triggering poltards with an article from 54 years ago
based

>>17045506

also, race is, like, a small portion of a fantastic book with a multiplicity of themes, subplots, crazy and beautiful moments. Why on earth would you not read it? Are you really that precious? I wonder what happens when you experience confrontation in the real world - although you probably just sit inside all day.

>>17045418
You need to go back

>>17045523
I didn't say that. I said that I know the truth about race because I spent a long time living among blacks and working with them and trying to help them. That time has shown me the incontrovertible truth about them.

Any opinion to the contrary is grounded in propaganda and ignorance and naivete. Period. There is no room for disagreement on this point and I won't humor it. Its simply wrong.

I'm happy to read opinions differing from mine on a range of topics. But not this. I won't be propagandized and lectured by those who don't know what the deal is because they were sheltered.

>>17045540
well anon clearly isn't a man so yes he probably just runs to hide inside

>>17045540
I spent years teaching blacks and working in nonprofits before noping and getting a job that pays well. Your snide little remarks don't do much. I know who I am and I know what blacks are and that's just how it is. Why don't YOU go live around them if I'm so wrong.

>>17045536
I'm not triggered im just not interested in the opinions of a sheltered partisan. I'm not obligated to give attention to propagandists.

>>17045558
You’re hopeless

>>17045580
great argument wow wtf my mind is changed

>>17045569

dude we're talking about a book here. Fiction. An entertaining story. Your preoccupation with this question of blackness suggests to me, aside from the fact that you're a Yank, that you've got a real treasure trove of unresolved issues bubbling under the surface. I can only wish you good luck with sifting through them all.

>>17045580
as would be anyone who has actually had life experiences outside of a shitty state school english degree and 4chan. you have no room to talk until you live around blacks like I did. Sorry

It’s entirely possible to dislike blacks and enjoy Pynchon.

>>17045523
>>17045540
dude, he wouldn't read shit anyway. people like that jump at the opportunity to "boycott" challenging books in the same way that kids want to find excuses to not do their homework. a million pretentious shitlibs breathed a sigh of relief when it turned out dfw abused his girlfriend or whatever because now they have an excuse for why they've never read infinite jest. this is the same scenario but for a poltard.

>>17045602
Ok well I just explained my position so there's no need to poorly analyze me. That's just deflection. I said I was a serious antiracist with an Ivy education who went to teach in black schools and live in black cities and work for nonprofits helping blacks and by doing so I learned that they are awful and anyone who claims otherwise simply hasn't had the opportunity to know them. This was brought up in a specific context in the thread. There's nothing else to it. Sorry it hurt your feelings. Please feel free to lob another low content post to get the last word in. I look forward to it.

>>17045653
I've never been to pol and I was 100 pages in to GR and quite enjoying it. I don't find it challenging because I'm not an idiot. I'll still be putting it down because Pynchon is a retard about blacks and I won't stomach that.

>>17045655

guess you just got filtered, desu. Which Ivy was it?

>>17045578
you're writing post after post about boycotting a book because you don't like the author's politics. that's what being "triggered" means. you are the definition of triggered.

>>17045671
He literally wants a safe space where he doesn’t have to think about race and politics

>>17045668

hahahahahahahaha you were 'quite enjoying it' too

Imagine having to stop doing something you enjoy because of some guy's opinion on something.

That is absurdly cringe

>>17045669
Penn State (public Ivy)

>>17045671
Did it ever occur to you I'm not interested in your made up definitions for meme terms used on 4chan? I mean come on grow up. Do you have any idea how puerile you sound?

>>17045655
You may be the most pathetic person I’ve ever encountered here

>>17045655
You hate poor, dumb people bruh.

>>17045655
>Ok well I just explained my position so there's no need to poorly analyze me.
people are analyzing you because you're having some sort of public outburst of anxiety over wrongthink

>>17045681
>>17045685
Are there any more responses that actually engage with what I said but also don't just spout memes like lobotomized mental patients? I just got bored by reading the word safe space again.

Sorry to see all the coping. Wish someone actually had a compelling point beyond the repeating the word triggered I was happy to listen. Oh well.

>>17045717
>Don't just spout memes
>sorry to see all the coping
You are an amazing troll, anon

>>17045706
Actually this post is called projection. Its the definition of it.

>>17045705
Could be. At least this post is saying something. While you could be right and I'd be willing to recant my claim about blacks, its not quite that simple, and Pynchons attitude toward race is still egregiously naive and incorrect.

>>17045755
>Pynchons attitude toward race is still egregiously naive and incorrect
How can you say that when it sounds like you were only around a couple of black neighborhoods. And Pynchon served in the navy, to my understanding there have always been a lot more black and white interaction in the military since WWII than most other fields, especially with lower class blacks

>>17045655
so you were a sheltered kid with romanticized notions about the poor that you were going to "uplift" but then upon contact with the real poor you were filled with revulsion and ran away?

this is obviously still a huge source of anxiety for you or you wouldn't be blowing up like that every time an author dares to not be racist enough

>>17044027
He’s a cuck. Judging by your question you won’t like him.

>>17045861
I find this post performative and uninteresting, and I think this is most clearly evidenced by how many similar posts are already in this thread. I hope you got the dopamine rush your display to the heard and sense of belonging was meant to elicit.

>>17045830
were you the poster who made the post i quoted?

>>17045692
Just like based Trump MAGA

>>17044021
Just because he's not interested in speaking to the press or being a public figure beyond the work he puts out doesn't make him a recluse. He's pretty much addressed this exact claim, saying that he thinks "recluse" is a term journalists use to say "doesn't like talking to reporters". He still went out into the world and participated in it.

>>17046163
Trump went to Penn/Wharton you retard

>>17045692
>>17046163
Penn state and UPenn are different schools you plebs. The only thing close to a "public ivy" is UC Berkeley, and even then, no.

>>17046158
No

>>17046147
you were just complaining about "not being engaged with" and now you switch to this pathetic evasion. people keep telling you the same things because your issues are very transparent.

>>17046297
Yeah I figured. Saves me a response. I actually am fine with discussing the deficits in my views, but not with performative antiracists looking to deal with their issues.

>>17046290
I just said Penn State because I thought it would be funny after that anon acted all high and mighty. Also anyone who says they went to Wharton instead of saying they went to Penn is a fascist

>>17046312
you're projecting. You're eager to label me as anxious because you have the anxiety. You need there to be some diagnosable problem with me because otherwise I'm a normal well educated well intentioned person who hold views that offend you simply because I have more experience. This would make your safety blanket worldview invalid and thus you are the one feeling anxiety.

If I hadn't mentioned my education you'd just call me white trash or a Trump voter or something instead. But anxiety disorder it is. Then everything will make sense again.

>>17046336
Found the actual retarded person ITT. Never post again.

>>17046321
I don’t know how performative it is. This isn’t Twitter. You won’t get a lot of love for being a not-racist normie even on /lit/ anymore

>>17046321
you are fine with discussing criticism of your views as long as they meet your ever-expanding list of criteria that thankfully just happens to filter out everyone who disagrees with you. oh no don't be "performative" lol

>>17046346
I'm not a racist. I just have an extremely low opinion of black people from interacting with them. Like a seriously low one. I don't have issues with other races. I don't especially like white people. In fact I hate them the most and want their countries turned multiethnic because of their insane obsession with blacks that is obviously intractable and eternal. I voted for Clinton and then Biden

>>17046377
why are you still posting is there something psychological you need me to provide you for you to go away?

>>17046377
feel free to say something interesting then at any time. I'd love a reason to keep reading GR and not dismisss Pynchon as a retard.

>>17045616
You’re not the only person to have ever lived around black people you fucking airhead. You haven’t just returned from Liberian missionary work, so stop pretending that you have.

>>17046413
actually statistically speaking most antiracist segregate into white areas pretty intensely.

>>17046382
>I'm not a racist. I just have an extremely low opinion of black people from interacting with them.
You've been posting so much, but I simply cannot believe that this isn’t b8

>>17046427
This is true but this has nothing to do with his point

>>17046427
??

Your brain has been thoroughly rotted by the Internet. Most sane individuals don’t define themselves as either racist or antiracist. I don’t even know what the relevance of ‘anti racism’ here is apart from you constructing some spooky left-wing strawman with which you can legitimise your views.

>>17046431
so you would call me a racist even though I am not intentional or even desirous of the way I think. How am I supposed to help the fact that interacting with blacks sucks?

>>17046441
Not an interesting post. No more replies from me.and just FYI I am left wing myself

>>17046442
Dude, that is the dictionary definition of racist. It has nothing to do with “intent”

>>17046453
I am not antagonistic toward blacks. And neither did I prejduge them. My judgment is based on extensive interaction. Not the color of their skin

>>17046406
The race stuff isn't standard 2020 anti-racist shit. It's just an analysis on the long lasting effects of colonialism.

GR is definitely worth reading even if you unironically hate blacks.

>>17046452
You just got BTFO lol

>>17045418
>my experiences showed me

>>17046477
Bro being bullied by the black kids at school for wearing Velcro shoes isn’t an excuse for racism

>>17046337
>You need there to be some diagnosable problem with me because otherwise I'm a normal well educated well intentioned person who hold views that offend you
this is a straightforward description of your reaction to pynchon. a writer you have previously pretended to respect turned out to have views that offend you, so you needed to invent an explanation, no matter how inane, and you settled on "he must have never met any black people, unlike me". a fucking 60s california hippie did not have less exposure to black people than you did you self-obsessed dummy.

you don't get to do a "no u" on the idea that you have issues with this shit. you're the one vomiting your issues all over the thread.

>>17046477
i guarantee that all the shit that triggers you about blacks is also present in other urban poors. your racism is your insistence on explaining class symptoms with "blackness"

>>17043610
That's not William Gibson though.

>>17046561
Why would I need to explain class symptoms away? I'm not a right winger.

>>17046485
Ok thanks. I'll keep reading tonight and see how I feel. Like I said I've been enjoying it.

>>17046506
I'm not your father. Stop posting at me. If you weren't so anxious you'd have walked away by now. Remember how you claimed posting multiple times was a symptom of a mental disorder? Go away now.

epic thread

>>17044035
>astrology was invented in the 60s

>>17046574
i don't know why, but it's what you do. why did interacting with poor blacks and hating it make you go "blacks must suck inherently" and not "poverty sure ruins people"?

>>17044021
He is a media recluse, he was never a hermit. He was very active in counterculture scenes along the California coast, and was best man for Richard Farina. He definitely knew what was going on in the world

>>17046597
I didn't just interact with poor blacks. And I've interacted with poor whites and rich whites too. I think you're off base here. I understand you used a Marxist frame to process racial tension but sorry its not a universal potential explanation

>>17046594
wow. that's pathetic even for the standard you've set for yourself in this thread.

>>17046634
okay. what features did you observe in blacks that can only be explained by some sort of inherent quality of blackness and not their class?

>>17046570
nothing personnel

>>17044305
truth serum

whenever people stupidly say shit like 'Pynchon browses 4chan' i'd like to show them this thread. the guy wouldn't want to be near this place

>>17045578
you don't even know who he is

>>17046667
I don't think blackness is a quality. I don't think all black people are "bad". In aggregate they have a comically outsized predilection for violence, poor impulse control, low frustration tolerance, inability to assume responsibility, low intellect, etc.

You can say this is present in other poor people but not to the same extent, and poor of the same degree of different races behave better. Let's not forget their low racial iq

>>17046759
I don't care who pynchon is. I read his shitty basic bitch article about racist cops and wanted to puke. There are plenty of people itt who would drop pynchon if they found he had written a racist screed instead of a he dindunuffin screed, but somehow its only bad when I do it

>>17046795
Yeah, being racist is worse than being anti-racist, pull yourself together. GR is staunchly anti-colonialism which was largely driven by old white men

>>17046795
keep in mind he was writing this back in the 60s. Shit was way worse than it is right now.

>>17046817
Well at least you admit your hypocrisy. That's nice.

>>17046795
how horribly unfair of people to prefer kindness to edgelordism. you are truly the opressed one.

>>17046843
Reading his article posted earlier, it seems like its the same shit its always been. Only confirms how I feel about blacks. Nothing ever changes or gets better. The same complaints and excuses for being pieces of shit.

>>17046874
My point is that the snowflake accusations are hypocritical dumbass. Anyway how am I an edgelord? I didn't want to hate blacks. Their behavior made it impossible not to though. Wish it wasn't that way but it is.

>>17046786
>this is present in other poor people but not to the same extent
how did you perform this measurement? you're not convincing me of the unfeasibility of a class explanation at all

>Let's not forget their low racial iq
what? i thought we were talking about your personal experience

>>17046870
no hypocrisy here, fren

>>17046888
>your anecdotal evidence isn't systematic so you can't generalize from it
>whoa wait how dare you bring up systematic data we're talking about your personal experience
Hmm. Also btw I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. Feel free to go live around blacks. We both know you won't though. And never would. You will always avoid living near them despite all of this crap about how they're just like other poor people.

You'll act just like every other liberal. Say one thing and then make choices about education and housing like you don't believe it. That hypocrisy is the worst part. I could just say all the right shit too and behave just like you. Is that what you want? Lip service? I'm happy to give it. And when I behave like a liberal, aka an egregious racist who can't stand being around blacks, will you be satisfied?

>>17046882
It sounds like you got PTSD from something. You talk the way people who were in Vietnam or Iraq talk.

>>17046929
that's a lot of projection

>>17046943
You might even be right about that! I was assaulted numerous times as a teacher. But does that make blacks any better? If so I don't see how

>>17046950
I'm sorry for your need to use buzzwords

>>17046950
Its statistical fact. And I tend to live in liberal areas for that reason. They're whiter and you can feel ok doing it because they don't like racism lol.

Like I said I'm fine assuming this identity and being like this if that's what people like you want. I'll say all the right stuff.

>>17046960
what? you've used it several times itt

>>17046953
Teachers are worse than blacks. Teachers bear the responsibility of the general cognitive decline of the youth. Way worse than niggers looting a target.

>>17046976
Oh no well then I guess I'm wrong and black people don't commit lots of crime and have low iqs and everyone loves living around them and sending their kids to school with them and only dumb hicks feel differently.

Like I said: what would you want from me? I know my experiences. I don't have hatred in my heart for blacks and there are many I would consider friends. But I know what they're like in aggregate. What then would make you happy? Do you want me to say the right things? Or is there something deeper that I would need to compromise on? What is it? I want to know.

>>17047040
as that former teacher you quoted, I hate teachers more than anyone and they are awful you're right. But to blame black failure on them is hilarious.

Feel free to do it though. Call them incompetent racists. When even they won't go into those schools maybe my city will save some money for the same results.

>>17047047
If you look at every race in aggregate they look shitty. Some races/cultures are just naturally more violent amongst themselves. I don't see that as a problem however. It's their culture after all and its better than being a soulless bugman.

>>17047059
I never blamed black failure on them. I don't even think blacks have failed. I just think teachers are collectively worse for society than the collective actions of blacks.

>>17043688
Asinine. What do the nihilistic and suicidal Harare rocketmen have to do with the Black Panthers? The Schwarzcommando have no political aims, they're driven purely by momentum and an ethnic death drive.

>>17046929
>>17046973
fucking look at yourself. you've locked yourself into this hellworld where the only two choices in life are despising people openly or despising people in secret and simply not despising people is unthinkable. and then you're offended at the idea that you have issues?

it's possible to just be kind and to love people even when they're hard to love. there are people who went through everything you did and worse without becoming hateful and bitter. they're not just better at pretending, they're better, period.

you have failed a moral challenge and now you're in hell. enjoy?

>>17047072
If I take your meaning correctly and extrapolate, I could probably say something like I don't hate blacks but I don't like being around people who are stupid and violent. If I did this then I would effectively still not be around them. Its dishonest, but still. The only sticking point for me is like I wouldn't want my kids to marry blacks because that's one case where group statistics matter to the individual.

Because children regress to the mean of their racial iq, even an intelligent black makes a bad mate for reproduction. I guess I can just play the odds and hope that my antiracist posturing won't drive my kids toward blacks to rebel. Might even work out better for me in that case.

>>17047123
are you admiting in this post that blacks are terrible but you should like them anyway? Huh?

does anyone have a rec for a good companion reader for GR? Was thinking about getting my hands on the Steven Weisenburger reader

>>17047123
I don't actively despise them, I just don't want to be near them and pretend they don't exist. I'm sorry but your solution about just love them even though it's not possible to exist near them isn't really that great. I wish I didn't feel that way but I know who and what they are. Who are these people who have my experiences but still are enthusiastic about blacks? Tell me about them?

>>17046870
You're equated not being a centrist to being a hypocrite? Jesus Christ

>>17047166
*equating
fuck

>>17047149
of course they are terrible, they are an underclass. they're just terrible in normal human ways and not some special inherent black terribleness. do you think it's some amazing gotcha that you've discovered there?

>>17047157
Honestly, I got through it fine with just the Pynchon wiki. iirc the Weisenburger reader actually makes a couple of mistakes about some of the references Pynchon uses, but maybe look into that because I'm not 100% sure if it was him or someone else

>>17047137
Italians, Slavs, Spaniards, and Spics are also pretty stupid and violent on average. Be sure to stay away from them too. Enjoy the organized violence.

>>17047165
why don't you tell me about them? when you ran away from your commitment to teaching black kids, did everyone else run away too?

>>17047192
By Spaniard I mean from Spain.
By Spic I mean from South America.

>>17047157
Yeah I got lost as well the last time I tried to read Pynchon

>>17047185
I dunno but in that case I don't know what we disagree about? Like I'm not excessively interested in categorizing them as black in themselves and discriminating. I just don't like them. I'm not a poltard or something. Hell half the time I'm elated to see whites dating blacks because I think great produce a kid who won't commit quite as much crime. Wouldn't want that for my kids though.

But please show me the proper disposition and attitude. I don't want to be a "racist".

>>17047204
Some did. Some gave elaborate reasons why, not blaming the blacks. But they still cut and run. The ones that stayed ended up on antidepressants and calling the suicide hotline regularly. Not an exaggeration. So they developed mental illnesses and kept saying it wasn't the blacks they could make a difference if they just tried a little harder. The average teacher retention rate in my city is one year, so yes the average response is to abandon ship.

>>17043553
This is something completely tangential to whatever discussion is overtaking this thread, but why are so many modern fiction writers so gross?

It's like they're trying to purposefully put in gross out imagery into their works. All it does is turn me off. It's why I avoid most fiction written after the 20s. It even plagues books written for children.

Non-fiction tends to not do this. I think it's because a lot of non-fiction comes from those that typically aren't 'literary' types so to speak. They have a subject that they're trying to teach or expound upon so there's no time for this strange gross poetry.

>>17047190
i've read GR and i loved it but i wanna read it again with a deeper understanding of some of the nuance and I think it'll be even more powerful the second time through with a hand to hold through the denser stuff
any chance you remember if the mistakes were critical to the overall tone or just minor detail misunderstandings?

>>17047297
There are two editions, the second edition probably corrected the mistakes.

>>17047268
Are you an emotionally repressed young woman or something? You really can't into metaphor?
>it's just icky!

>>17047302
good to know thanks

>>17043632
It's "about" the end of history and the establishment of the new world post-ww2. Like all of us, Tyrone runs around doing this whose purposes escape him before he is scattered through the zone.

>>17047304
Yeah I might have a female minded brain. It really does throw me out of the works. I've never liked gore and I actively avoid posts that contain it or hide posters with it for example.

I think it's fairly easy to explain the horrors and rouse disgust in a person without grossness. Resorting to grossness or lustful imagery just seems like a base cop-out to insight those feelings.

Again, it's why I avoid it. It's not like I'm lacking in works to consume. I'm just curious as to why so many writers use it as a crutch.

>>17043610
>>17046570
Neither of these are Burroughs...and to think Gibson was anything close to the first is just listening to what the Pynchonian "They" tell you

>>17047246
>>17047229
Where did the anti racists go? Thought we were getting somewhere

>>17046201
She lost bro

>>17048164
?

lmao this fucking beta cuck-ass bitch teacher nigga got caught lackin' and got his ass clowned by some teenagers LMFAO what a bitch-made nigga

>>17048334
wow wtf this post solved race relations and made blacks seem human

>>17046953
You sound like a little bitch who had it coming.

>>17048367
I see you larping you fucking faggot. Jokes on you for bumping this thread though hahaha

>>17048371
larping as what? someone calling you a weakling for getting beat up by teenagers? lmfao

>>17048164
He lost bro

>>17048377
>everyone who posts in a thread is the same person
surest sign someone is reddit.

>>17048397
shut up you lil bitch-ass nigga. gonna wear a sweater over a shirt or something? what, nigga, you got a fucking job interview or something?

Wha-what happened here?

>>17048505
Some beta male got memed into becoming a teacher, and the black kids he taught in his entry-level job sniffed out the fact that he's a little bitch who's never stood-up for himself, so they punked his little bitch-ass. He probably obviously projected his disdain and feelings of superiority to them, and they picked-up on it.
Just a bitch-nigga looking for some strong white man to protect him.

>>17048505
zoomers are mentally ill

>>17048536
youre too late to the thread to be triggered

>>17045418
Meh, you don't have to agree with him about the Negroid Question to enjoy the novels he has produced. Its safe to say he probably felt some white guilt and was moved by the sentiment to write something trying to collapse the superposition of the individual negro who is a fully realised human with a name and The Nigger which is a platonic ideal.

Setting aside his opinion on Black America, he is a great writer. I would guess that were it not for dozens of stoned conversations with crunchy California liberals he wouldnt feel the need to have an opinion on blacks and would keep his target painted on Authority.

>>17045506
Youre making the mistake of noticing things anon. It's in very bad taste. Like pointing out dandruff on someones suit collar. You mean well, but you're mistaking other people's ambivalence for a lack of attention. I feel the same was as you. I had to live around some gutter niggers for a while and they burned down the apartment complex. But that doesn't mean they're all that way. It's easy to spot the difference, which means you have to have some discretion and not just hate people reflexively. I hope you find a way to loosen up. Im not saying go kiss their feet, but you should be able to handle opinions and people you disagree with and not get angry. The ambivalence that Pynchon seemed to feel was a function of our not having real worries, is actually just well meaning people trying to ignore the color of retarded poor people's skin. Whereas he and 60s liberals thought it was an insult or a misunderstanding to expect blacks to coopt white culture, the people of that era were actually practicing an extreme form of altruism and optimistic hope for black culture.

You could argue that being permissive was a failed experiment, but i believe forces acted to ensure that the negroid didnt and couldnt integrate. Those same forces are working today to bring us all down to that level. Helpless, victimized, hopeless, and angry. You are sounding that way.

>>17045626
I agree. The Manichean dichotomy he talked about in AtD has been a really useful explanation for me to lay on people when they ask why evil always seems to win in the world. It's good to have that to share when someone needs a good word.

>>17045705
Definitely i do. But classism takes on different character depending on the ethnicity of the people who disgust you. "Racism" can sound the same coming from widely differnt perspectives. Its funny how right wingers are always right for the wrong reason and lefties are wrong for the right reasons. Together, they manage to be wrong for the wrong reasons, but oddly never right for the right reasons. Makes you wonder

>>17046503
It's probably legitimate distaste for a specific subset of a population that is actually worse than sterotypes would have you think. If this guy was working in Baltimore, Baton Rouge, Philly, DC, or any of the other villainous hives of diseased people that reflect the worst aspects of negro culture, then he is on the mark with his experience. But it doesnt reflect rural / suburban texas or Wisconsin or other subcultures. I think it's just a shock for sheltered people to learn that stereotypes exist for a reason, and it really knocks them off kilter to be faced with it. The hate definitely comes from some emotional angst. Probably a hatred rising from a sincere love of humanity and wanting to embrace and heal the cultural divide, only to be confronted with the sorriest low down nigger scum that social work could throw at him. Its a surprise i am sure

>>17046817
If this past several years has taught me anything, its that maybe the civil rights era i grew up believing in, was as much of a farce as this era. Rosa Parks was not an authentic hero, she was a political operative. MLK wad tapped by political agents to be the face of their movement. Its all political theater meant to silence and neuter people and take away their agency, under the guise of empowerment and tolerance. The Man loves lynching laws, when murder is already a crime. Forced integration and busing destroyed communities and made them cheap and easy pickings for the banks.

Not to say that bigotry is cool. It diminishes us, to fall prey to lazy thinking and scapegoating.

>>17048968
so what would you tell that poster? i identify a lot with his posts. i'm not an ivy leaguer, in fact, i'm a declasse christian. but that makes me feel all the worse for how i feel about black people. i truly don't want to feel the way i do toward them, but if i probe myself honestly i know what i think of them. perhaps you are correct that it is only subsets of them, albeit rather large subsets and possibly even the majority. but what to do with that information?

>>17049065
Use your personal experience to inform your attitude toward people. We are always prejudice in that we try to classify people into smaller and smaller groups with the information we can apprehend about them.

I just try to actually see people for what they are. Some black people are great. Sidney Gannt comes to mind. A guy I knew named LaCorey was also a solid guy. Other people are just low born nigger scum. It sounds meaner to use the magic word and it can confuse people if you use it. But it's a specific type of negro and there are subtypes within it.

It's not some crazy revelation that needs to change your whole mind about the world. You should just feel safe in your own head to notice a horrible nigger at the grocery story and be able to aknowledge it without some horrible burden of guilt or anger. Lots of poltards get hung up on the anger. It makes me think they are kind hearted idealists , soured and jaded by life. Their hatred of blacks is just a hatred that blacks weren't what they wanted them to be, or what society told them to expect

>>17046960
Buzzwords is a buzzword itself.

>>17045578
you're triggered

>>17044305
Pynch was literally in on MKULTRA lmfao. He was part of Naval Intelligence (did work with the OSS, which after the war became the CIA) and continued Para-Psych research at Cornell (MK operated initially through the Iveys, before later filtering through MOCKINGBIRD)

Lol

>>17049946
Source?

>>17044622
>https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-watts.html?_
>NYT
>Pynchon literally glows in the dark
come on guys you cant judge the pynchemeister by an op-ed. you're never gonna make it with this attitude

>>17049952
Some of it is public record; the rest is extrapolation. You get no sources sorry anon.

>>17044622
>60s hippie born with a silver spoon in his mouth has unrealistic ideas about racial relations in the US

Who could've seen this coming? I don't know what people upset at this honestly expected.

>>17048782
a bit of a reduction, but retards make friends of us all

>>17048782
you're not as smart as you think you are

>>17049952
TCoL49

>>17050215
sneedthing

>>17048380
It was her turn bro she fucking won

>>17050009
There is a mistake we sometimes make were we construct a large philosophical scaffold around a small and unassuming rock of a problem. The intellectual swings through the bracing and duck boards of this scaffold like some lemur/elf crying "We must find more connections!" and he busies himself with that task.
A simple retard walks directly to the rock and gives it a kick and says: " 'Is jus a rawk. 'S not werth all this concern. A'll jus roll it out, yeah? No fuss no muss. Gudbye rawk!"

And after he rolls it away, we are left with a latticework dome of suppositions, projections, rhetoric, propaganda, and heartfelt observations, all surrounding an empty spot where the problem we thought we were solving actually was.
That rock is now blocking a driveway or knocking off hubcaps on the shoulder of an exit ramp in some other place, or god forbid falling on someones head.

>>17043673
The ending could be happening in the forties as well as in the sixties

>>17043610
he and Burroughs laid the groundworks, cyberpunk wouldn't have been the same without either of their contributions

>>17045418
good for you, then please don't shit up a thread about a book you've never read with your opinions ever again

I wish we could nuke this website. This thread has some of the stupidest faggots I’ve ever seen breathe. What the fuck are you clueless illiterate racists doing on this board?

>>17047530
is there anything else like pynchon + burroughs? 'in the zone' and 'interzone' that is, those kind of landscapes. I know about JG Ballard of course.

>>17047685
It seems like they found out you were a lost cause. It was probably your fault your students lost hope. Looking at your posts, I can't imagine you treated them the same as white ones

>>17052314
Hey look a performative sperg uses a homophobic slur while decrying hate. You're too low for even reddit just go die.

>>17052511
A sanctimonious white loser like you has never even attempted to do anything for black people let alone interact with them. There are at least 3 parts of your post that belie your naivete and all I can say is YOU go be a teacher in a black school. Go ahead. Show us all how it's done :)

Pynchon is ugly and weak, he does not pass the physiognomy check, I will not read his books.

>>17052511
>It seems like they found out you were a lost cause
Oh ok, I'll just be a racist then and lie about it while allowing this feeling to guide my decisions in life. There I guess you win??? It's almost like if you were actually an antiracist and not just a posturing chode looking to show the world how "good" you are, your tack would be entirely different. But that's fine. I can easily act just like you. It takes zero effort.

>>17052671
I'm south Asian. and I'm sure you two have plenty of racial slurs lined up. Don't disappoint me now.
(And also, I'm on 4chan, so I should expect it to be fair.)
>>17052781
You already showed who you were. I just helped you stop pretending you were something else

>>17052897
>You already showed who you were. I just helped you stop pretending you were something else
Well in point of fact you did the opposite. The positive thing is that given your background, I'll be able to leverage my antiracist posturing in really effective ways whereas you will not. The consequence of your antiracism is that fewer south Asians get accepted into top colleges because you don't count as an underrepresented minority but are instead white adjacent. For me with my Ivy background and history of helping black people, my attitude will help my children in their education and my antiracist, liberal credentials will be totally impeccable. My children can even cite me in their college essays, and they will have an easier time getting accepted given that there are fewer Asians accepted thanks to the algorithms that you encourage. I really can't think you enough. Asians have been such willing participants in this game, to die on the sword of antiracism to allow more whites like me to get into the Ivies. Because we both know more blacks aren't going. The decrease in Asian enrollment has been filled by people like, well, my children.

So I heartily encourage you to keep up your attitude. Even if I weren't pretending to be just like you and I absolutely couldn't stand liberal positions, I'd STILL want you to hold the beliefs you hold. Isn't that interesting.

>>17052897
>I'm south Asian. and I'm sure you two have plenty of racial slurs lined up. Don't disappoint me now.
>(And also, I'm on 4chan, so I should expect it to be fair.)
What the hell is this pathetic weird post? You scream creepy incel with bizarre sexual fetishes.

>>17053070
....no. I was just expecting less politeness. Why's everything about weird sex stuff
>>17052973
Glad to know you're acknowledging the white priviliege that you and your family benefit from. Self-awareness is a good thing. You're a credit to your people

>>17053615
yeah white privilege is the worst. That's why I want to send my kids to dartmouth so they can fix it. ;)

>>17053615
White guy here. I've fucked literally dozens of South Asian women. Including ones with husband's. Begging me for my white seed even if I had no intention of marrying them. They said I could just use them up. Whats up with that haha

>>17043644
dick go boing

>>17053615
Why do your women universally prefer white men, without exception. Is that white privilege?

>>17053615
>>17053830
>>17053857
I guess I'd hate whites too and attempt to police their politics online if that was the only outlet for my sexual failure too. Even if this incel had kids the wife and daughters would all be lasting after white men without exception.

>>17053876
>>Muh Dick

Classic!

>>17053964
Except unlike the thing you spam where white women lust after black men, this case is actually true. It's not a meme. It's not cope. White women actually dislike black men by every metric available, but all objective data show Asian women universally preferring White men. And it's not even close. So your equivocation doesn't really work.

>>17053964
The only one muh dicking here is you, the creepy asian incel who spends his time tone policing white men online because he can't get laid and his own women are disgusted by him.