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I need your help, /lit/. Ethics survey paper, I need responses. Figured this would be an interesting place to go.

1. Gender

2. Age

3. Imagine the following scenario:
A doctor is working frantically at the scene of a terrorist attack, where many people have been badly injured. Inevitably, decisions have to be made about who gets treated first, and most significantly, who gets airlifted from the scene for specialist treatment.
Onto the scene comes a father whose son was hurt in the attack - though not as badly as some of the others. The father pleads with the doctor to let his son be airlifted out; he's all he has left after his wife and daughter were killed in a car crash the previous year. If you were the doctor, what would you do and why?

4. Is there any general rule or principle you use to decide what is moral?

5. Can you describe what you remember as a difficult ethical dilemma?

Thanks

>> No.1702600

Male

19

If I were the doctor I'd treat the most seriously wounded of the group first, the ones with the potential to still be able to live that is, because treating people beyond repair is just a waste of time as bad as that sounds.

>> No.1702602

>Female
>underageb&
>would treat his kid
>yeah, and my actions in that case would go against it. i would only be doing it because there was that human element there. i couldn't turn him away, even though it's unfair that others would die just because no one was there to plead for their lives. i would maybe get really depressed afterwards, thinking of all the people i killed through negligence.
>not really

>> No.1702605

>>1702602
>treat and not airlift, btw. that's too much. but i would give him my attention even if others deserved it more

>> No.1702621

buuuuuuump

>> No.1702624

1. Male

2. 20

3. Pretty silly question. If the is going to die if not airlifted quickly he would be very high on the priority list; assuming he is not, I would place him in the appropriate spot in the order, do my best to console the father in regards to his son's life, and treat the boy as necessary in the meantime.

4. No.

5. I cannot recall any situation in which I've experienced moral ambivalence.

>> No.1702626

1. Male

2. 21

3. I would not let him be airlifted out. Everyone would be distraught in the wake of a terrorist attack; the father's words would not be a factor in my triage decisions.

4. I don't think anything is moral.

5. see no. 4

>> No.1702653 [DELETED] 

1. depends on how I'm feeling
2. 25
3. Of course I'd save the son. He's the injured one, right?
4. "If someone did this to me, how would I feel about it?"
5. Last case of Ace Attorney: Justice For All. Had to choose between sentencing a serial killer to jail and sparing an innocent from life in prison, but sacrificing the life of my best friend, or the opposite, letting the serial killer run free and condemning an innocent to life in prison but saving my best friend's life. Dunno why that's the first thing coming to my mind, but it was a pretty well executed moral decision for a video game. I ended up serving justice to the end.

>> No.1702656

1. depends on how I'm feeling
2. 25
3. (I feel like a retard not understanding this question fully the first time) I wouldn't take the father's plea into consideration. The worst injured get airlifted first.
4. "If someone did this to me, how would I feel about it?"
5. Last case of Ace Attorney: Justice For All. Had to choose between sentencing a serial killer to jail and sparing an innocent from life in prison, but sacrificing the life of my best friend, or the opposite, letting the serial killer run free and condemning an innocent to life in prison but saving my best friend's life. Dunno why that's the first thing coming to my mind, but it was a pretty well executed moral decision for a video game. I ended up serving justice to the end.

>> No.1702660

the aphorism is that they speak louder than words

>> No.1702661

1. Gender

Male

2. Age

19

3. Imagine the following scenario:

I'd help the kid. Those too badly injured would likely die even with treatment. Plus I'd feel bad if I didn't.

4. Is there any general rule or principle you use to decide what is moral?

No

5. Can you describe what you remember as a difficult ethical dilemma?

There are no ethical dilemmas.

>> No.1702669

male, 20

Sorry pops, other people could be in the same situation. I would not show favouritism.

4: It's difficult because while I agree with Neitzche's devaluation of values into active nihilism, and Sartre's bad faith, essence preceeds existence, I believe that life itself has very clear attributes that differentiate it from, and therefore make it personally preferable to death, which leads me to a sort of millsian preference hedonism. In a social sense, too, there is a spattering of Hegels ideas of intersubjective-wills allowing more freedom than singular wills. kind of like how Bakunin says 'the freedom of others is essential to my own freedom'.
So it's kind of like:
Active Nihilism
Harm Principle/Nonmalevolence
Preference Hedonism
Rational Egoism

>> No.1702672

1. Male

2.18

3.Deny the man's request, if the child has a higher chance of survival than others then he need not be airlifted, though a sad story the ethical course is to airlift the most badly injured.

4.No, every situation is different and my moral views change constantly, helping those most in need usually wins out over helping those less in need.

5.No

>> No.1702674

>>1702669
as for an ethical dilemma, Kant's spitefully dutiful father is an interesting one, particularly if we analogize it to skilled sportsplayers with handicaps.
The negligent lorry driver is also interesting, but with that I've sort of bitten the bullet and rejected moral luck completely.

>> No.1702683
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1702683

1. GENDER: MALE.

2. AGE: TWENTY.

3. I WOULD DISMISS THAT AND SEND TO AIRLIFT SOMEONE THAT REALYY NEEDS SPECIAL TREATMENT. HIS FAMILY DYING LAST YEAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION.

4. EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE; OBJECTIVITY IS RELATIVE; RELATIVITY IS OBJECTIVE.

5. NO.

>> No.1702707

1. Female

2. 20

3. I don't care about the father, but I'd be inclined to help children (<14) before adults. You didn't specify the son's age.

4. I trust my sense of empathy.

5. I put off reporting a rape for a long time because it would "destroy my family". Eventually I reported it and the rapist killed himself. I feel no guilt.

>> No.1702717

Male

19

I would not let the kid get airlifted. The father may think it unfair but I'd tell him to see the situation from the other patient's point of view. I might even make the father wait even longer than necessary because he pissed me off with such a stupid, selfish request. At least, I'd be thinking about it as I treated the other patients. I don't think I have the right to decide who's life is worth more, a child or an adult's. I can only go by how much treatment they need and go about it as objectively as possible. I think its false to say that a human's life is inherently less valuable than another human's life simply due to age.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Aside from video games such as The Witcher and other RPGs, I've only come across one moral dilemma in real life.

There was this boy I knew throughout all of my grade school years. He was bullied in the harshest non physical way I've ever seen. He once made a collage for class, the topic being what we wanted to do in the future, and his consisted of people holding hands. His goal: to have friends.

This was years ago, I think I was only 8 years old. He was offering me and my friends one dollar if we would play with him. My friend wanted to take the dollar and ditch him, while I wanted nothing to do with it. I convinced everyone to let him keep the dollar and play with him for free. Of course, they just ran off anyway.

I guess, it wasn't that big of a deal looking back but it really opened my eyes as a kid. There were other moral dilemmas I've had to go through but this is the one that stands out the most for me, even though its the least severe.

>> No.1702734

Male
18
I'd take a look at the kid and patch him up, but he's not getting airlifted unless there's some space towards the end.

>> No.1702753

>>1702669
yet at the end of the day you open up twenty news feeds and one incognito tab to masturbate to lolishit hentai and rub your four inch primal cock furiously.

>> No.1702765

1. Female

2. 18

3. Probably follow protocol. When working triage, one must be impartial to circumstances not involved with the patient's health. Decide who to forsake and who to save. Decide whether he has a better chance at surviving (if he does, why not airlift him away?) than someone who might as well be dead. However, if it's the case of the kid and a person, more badly hurt but still has a chance to live, then it's the latter who must be airlifted.

4. Not everything is relative. You cannot make judgments based on emotion when people's lives are involved. You must go by what is logical and best for all. Not to say "be utilitarian," because saving a life over saving another life isn't necessarily choosing the end over the means, but to say, "do no harm, do as much as you can with as much as you have."

4. Is there any general rule or principle you use to decide what is moral?

>> No.1702768

Gender: Male
Age: 20
His pleading could be true, also could be false, which is likely to happen in those cases. So, clearly theres a lot going on in my head so i wouldnt just say yes or no.
But id probably wait a short bit and then airlift later. Not last, but certainly not last. I grew up with losing my family, so i know what its like. I think that weighs more than someone saying Yes right away cuz theyre human and would think what they would do with losing family, nor am i gothic cold.

>> No.1702773

>>1702753
if that was the case I don't see how it's condtradictory

>> No.1702775
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>>1702717
>mfw that kid was me