/lit/ - Literature

goodnight sweet john
sticky pls mods

>>17020039
Big F. I'm finally getting around to reading his stuff and it's great.

>>17020039
Glow in peace

>>17020039
>Le Carré feuded with Salman Rushdie over The Satanic Verses, stating that "nobody has a God-given right to insult a great religion and be published with impunity".

>In 2017, le Carré stated, "I think of all things that were happening across Europe in the 1930s, in Spain, in Japan, obviously in Germany. To me, these are absolutely comparable signs of the rise of fascism and it’s contagious, it’s infectious. Fascism is up and running in Poland and Hungary. There’s an encouragement about".

Press P to piss on this basedboy's grave.

white eyebrows and dark hair? i would think a spy would want to blend in.

>>17020059
kys tranny

>>17020039
A writer that I haven't read in quite a while, but one that I appreciated.

F

>>17020039
Oh damn. RIP, seriously one of the best writers out there. I highly recommend The Pigeon Tunnel.

>>17020065
He worked a desk in Bonn, he was never "in the field"

>>17020085
probably because of his eyebrows

Posting in a future sticky.

MODS STICKY

This one hurt, his Smiley novels are the absolute high point of the Cold War spy genre.

Hope he wrote one last novel before he passed. Spy Running In the Field was so-so

honestly surprised he hadnt been dead a long time already

>>17020175
>This one hurt, his Smiley novels are the absolute high point of the Cold War spy genre.

Le Carre's body of work raises the question: How much of a gap, if any, is there between the best genre fiction - e.g., Tinker Tailor - and "real" literature?

>>17020039
F

>>17020243
I don't know what you mean by "real" literature

>>17020243
Very much so. His novels don't rely on flash and pizzazz like so many popular espionage novels do. They are carefully crafted, explore themes of human nature, guilt, relationships etc all in the setting of shadowy spy world.

F

This man gave me some of my most "literally can't put the book down" reads of my life. I still remember waiting for class to start, standing in the hallway and considering skipping class just to finish it.

>>17020039
Haven’t read him but I will say both adaptations of Tinker put other spy movies to shame, mainly because they don’t rely on Mission Impossible-esque spectacle

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>>17020342
Try reading The Spy Who Came In From The Cold. It's short.

I was really into Iam Flemming so I ask my dad
>what's some more good spy lit?
And he says Le Carre, so I read some Le Carre
It was boring as fuck, nowhere half as good as James Bond.

Rest in Peace though

>>17020342
The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl (2018) adaptations are great as well

>>17020243
Literature is comprised of all genres, anon. War and Peace is a historic novel, Ulysses is experimental fiction, Paradise Lost is an epic poem, Frankenstein is horror/sci fi, A Christmas Carol is a ghost story, Catcher in the Rye is a coming of age novel, etc.

>>17020359
Le Carre is more about real spycraft. Not action film/Hollywood styled spycraft

F

>>17020456
Yeah. I'll have to try him again in the future. Just wasn't what I wanted at that time

It's a ruse. He's only faking his death.

>>17020342
>>17020386
A Most Wanted Man from 2014 starring Philip Seymour Hoffman is really good as well and very underrated.

>>17020039
RIP Square Jean

>>17020039
RIP subpar Graham Greene

>>17020479
he and Jeff Epstein hanging out in New Mexico

>>17020465
Took me three tries to really get into him, but once I did it was amazing

start with this >>17020354

:( mods pls sticky

>>17020359
>when you tell your dad you like spy fiction but what you really mean is you like holidays in Jamaica, bourgeois brands, and the occasional rape fantasy
Smart move anon

F

read the russia house when a kid. still remember the plot

F
Probably the only time I've heard of Alec Guinness being nervous about getting a character right.

>>17020039
So how does one actually pronounce his name?

>no sticky
wew lad, RIP

>>17020794
Luh cah ray
It's a pseudonym so you can go with David Cornwall if you like but few people will know who the fuck you're talking about

>>17020794
It's pronounced like the MLB sportscaster Harry Caray, so just think Le Caray covering a game between London and Moscow

https://youtu.be/35neN-cHkok
the show was so comfy and the dialogue is taken straight from the book
F

>stickied
Based mods, you don't have to go to Czechoslovakia now

>>17020039
RIP

Posting in the sticky

Posting in the sticky

Everyone should read the looking glass war. It's refreshingly realistic.

>>17020039
lucky faggot

>>17020924
It's been on my to read for a while now. Probably going to get into it over Christmas.

>>17020862
What are the best adaptations of his works?

>>17020965
The BBC series with Alec Guinness

Of the films, The Spy Who Came in From the Cold is my favorite

>>17020965
The Alec Guinness Tinker Tailor is superb. Haven't seen the new one, but my dad said it was very well done and he's a massive fan of Alec Guinness so it had to be pretty good to get his approval.

>>17020039
He prob poop pant when he gave up the ghost, if you know wht i mean ;)

>>17020039
Haven't read his books, but I've heard about his spy novels. Rest in Peace

>>17020997
>heard about his spy novels

thats literally all he wrote lol

>>17020039
F

F

>>17020039
Was it the Russians?

>In 2017, le Carré stated, "I think of all things that were happening across Europe in the 1930s, in Spain, in Japan, obviously in Germany. To me, these are absolutely comparable signs of the rise of fascism and it’s contagious, it’s infectious. Fascism is up and running in Poland and Hungary. There’s an encouragement about"

What a cuck.

>>17020039
RIP

>>17020059
Rushdie gave a so-so review to one of Le Carré's books in the 80s and said his books are just typical genre fiction rather than high lit, supposedly the reason he wouldn't defend him.

>>17020059
Whoa he's actually based. Will have to give him a read.

why tf does genre trash get a sticky. mods confirmed for plebs

>Regarding the CIA and the SIS; "Both services would have done much less damage to their countries, moral and financial, if they had simply been disbanded.”
Big F

>>17021190
Because he wrote some very good parts, while repeating the same plots again and again

>>17021104
go back to your containment board, nerd

F

Rest in peace.

>>17020039
I've never read him, but I really enjoyed the film adaptation of Tinker Tailor. RIP.

>>17021200
You’d have to be an actual CIA agent to have a high or positive opinion of the CIA

Who?

>>17021136
Maybe he had a change of heart?

>>17021251
Yeah, they made up a few years ago

>>17021261
ah, good to know.

>>17021200
>>17021247

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI&bpctr=1607908409

>>17020059
>Fascism is up and running in Poland and Hungary.
lmao what a retard faggot

>>17021284
got an alternative link fir this? giigle wants me on their database to view it

>>17021323
It would be if Poles and Hungarians were as competent as Italians

>>17021339
not even close anon, i dont really know about Poland but here in Hungary its just neocon faggots fondling the balls of boomers living through communism, it would be infinitely better if we were genuinely fascists.

>>17021333
https://vimeo.com/485722291 here you are friend

>>17021363
This
>>17021339
Poland's only called "fascist" because they don't support gay marriage and abortion. Literally 10 years behind everyone else.
There is an actual fascist party in Poland (The Confederation), but they have no power and are basically in the same form of Cordon Sanitaire as other Euro-populist parties.

Sup shorty it’s ya boy Le Carr

>>17021407
>here in le carre
>I feel the biggest boomer of all
>I can spy on the reds
>it's the only way to write, le carre

>>17021443
yes hi hello g(l)utentog(gle)

>>17020039
Literally who

>>17020039
>Fuuuck.
F

What’s the difference between spying and researching?

>>17021251
when people die they're always great. should only count what you say to them when they're alive

>>17021251
Rushpee’s writing looks just like his face

>>17020059
Wow... Had no idea he was so cucked. What a shame.

P

>>17020992
Give it a rest, Chesterton

>>17020039
F

>>17020059
>piss on this basedboy's grave
imagine the face of the person who wrote this. now think of husker du.

More like l'enterré xDDDD

Based. /lit/ really love John? A whole thread for him? I should look through the catalog more

>>17020059
>Fascism is up and running in Poland and Hungary.
hope Soros paid him to say this

>>17020039
I only came to this board to see if there was a sticky for this literal who.
Imagine reading books in the 21st century lmao

I'm posting specifically to make sure the post above this one isn't the stickied post.

>>17021708
Based

>>17021563
I don't get it. Are you implying something rude about Greg Norton's mustache?

>>17021765
you’re obviously not from europe

>>17020059
>/pol/tard comes to shit up another sticky
Kill yourself

lol never thought leCarré would be the way to out plebs on /lit/. He's still doing good work after his death. RIP.

>>17021603
ptdr

>>17021876
Only /pol/tards would object to a man who justifies assassinations of writers and translators, us /lit/ bros know religious fanatics should be able to kill whatever artists they want!

>>17020039
Who cares? Secret service niggers can get fucked. I wish all CIA and MI5/6 cunts would die.

>>17021980
Nice reframing poltard.
Now go back to your containment board.

>>17021136
Le Carre is closer to being high lit than Rushdie could ever be

Rest in peace to the big man but desu assumed he had died a long time ago

>>17021980
Considering /lit/ only repeals the death sentence for very few translators, you should probably spend more time lurking.

>Le Carré sticky
>no mention of A Perfect Spy
Not surprising /lit/ doesn't read

>>17020039
F

I'm here because I watched Tinker Tailor one time

>>17022038
Rushdie has like 3 great novels while there rest are pale imitations of his older work. Le Carré had a few duds but a lot more solid works throughout

>>17020039

may he rest in peace

>>17020965
The BBC Smiley's People is excellent -- imo, as good or better than the BBC Tinker Tailor.

>>17020039
I don’t Le Care

>>17022253
>>17021603
Based.

>author dies
>guilt-free pirate all his books
I'm not the only one.

rest in peace

>>17020059
Poland and Hungary are relatively poor and backwards countries.

They don't have the military or money to do anything in the same way that Germany and Japan could.

>>17020039
Did we have a sticky when Tom Clancy died? I can't remember.

John le Carre somehow convinced people that his books were smarter than airport thrillers despite them being cut from the same cloth, I can't figure out how he did it but good for him for somehow spinning his mediocrity into respectability.

>>17020243
I think what makes a book transcend its genre is something no one can ever pin down

>>17022503
>Tom Clancy died? I can't remember.
I can't remember who that is either but Le Carre is worth it

literally who, been on this board for years and never seen him mentioned, suddenly everyone's a fan hahahah you lot are pathetic waiting for someone to die to finally recognize them

>>17020039
I was literally just reading his latest novel last week and thinking about how old he is.

fuck. RIP.

>>17020059
Based as fuck will buy his works now

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>Le Carré opposed both U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, arguing that their desire to seek or maintain their countries' superpower status caused an impulse "for oligarchy, the dismissal of the truth, the contempt, actually, for the electorate and for the democratic system."[44] Le Carré compared Trump's tendency to dismiss the media as "fake news" to the Nazi book burnings, and wrote that the United States is "heading straight down the road to institutional racism and neo-fascism."
>The novel also criticizes Trump's foreign policy as subservient to Russia and faults the British government for continuing to cooperate with the United States under his presidency; one of the novel's characters referred to Trump as "Putin's shithouse cleaner" who "does everything for little Vladi that little Vladi can’t do for himself: pisses on European unity, pisses on human rights, pisses on NATO. Assures us that Crimea and Ukraine belong to the Holy Russian Empire, the Middle East belongs to the Jews and the Saudis, and to hell with the world order."
TRUMP CURSE STRIKES AGAIN LMFAO PRESS S TO SPIT ON THIS NEOLIBERAL KEK

>>17022805
Damn that is some surprising myopia for someone who was a Cold War spy. Trump is no messiah but he's less dangerous than the deep state. Le Carre of all people should recognize how terrifying the latter is.

Believing the Putin conspiracy shit too. Damn. Putin is in bed with oligarchs and probably does have a long term strategy for rebuilding Russia and making it hegemonic in Asia etc. but if he really thinks that's any more dangerous than the plutocrats and neolibs that run the EU, it's sad.

I wonder what will happen with geopolitics once more of these people whose brains come pre-hardwired with Fukuyama utopia vision start dying off. Will they be replaced by a new realpolitik, or by a generation of even dumber and more naive idealists? Or will the newer, dumber idealists run face first into a world crisis, shit their pants when they realize the world doesn't boil down to "Putin is the bad guy, Obama is the good guy :^)," and hand things over to the realpolitik people?

>>17020059
He's even more based now. Fuck off /pol/shit

>>17022873
Obama was a realpolitik person as his many drone murders attest.

>>17022805
Based Le Carre RIP. Given his work as a spy, I consider him credible.

>>17022805
Fuck off trumpcuck. Shouldn't you be headed back to r*ddit now that your cult leader has lost?

>>17021549
what

Good riddance

>>17022873
Lmao. Maybe the ex cold war spy was correct and the shit for brains Trump commentators are shit for brains? Jesus christ the cognitive dissonance.

>>17022894
At least Trump dropped more bombs than Obomba

>>17022894
I agree, but I mean open ones, I mean when the whole liberal multikult facade drops and even the plebs don't believe that the most important political issue is having a racially diverse cabinet of drone-murdering psychopaths. Right now the preferred political elite still, just barely, Obama/Biden types who can go on Jimmy Kimmel and pretend to be swell down-to-earth guys while they're starting ten wars. This was sustained by decade after decade of clueless fucking boomers thinking things can only get better, and real evil and corruption don't exist. What happens when all the boomers die and the multikult experiment leads to economic meltdown and immigrant turf wars in the streets?

>>17022954
You will never be a woman.

>>17022994
I am a happy man with white wife and kids, and anon, that is something you will never be.

>>17020059
Lol sounds based ngl.

>>17020039
Why does an airport paperback novelist have a sticky?
O tempora, o mores!

>>17022994
Lmfao Trump was literally a celebrity conman trained by Roy Cohn of all fucking pe(dos)ople and pretended to be the
>swell down-to-earth guy
That bombed more people than obama or Bush and gave the multinational elite the biggest gift he possiblu could with his shit tax plan.

>>17022903
>>17022954
>believing retarded neolib deep state shills
Go suck CIA cock

>>17023021
>year of our lord 2020
>not thinking Le Carré is proper literature

>>17022805

S

>>17023029
>>believing corporate conmen
Go suck Wall Streets dick

>>17023025
What did I say that contradicted this you confused CNN watching retard? Did you mean to post this on twitter? Do you just see someone criticizing Obama and start vomiting out talking points?

>>17023104
>If you're not for the CIA you're for Wall Street, and vice versa
You may have the most confused worldview of all time.

The CIA is based af. I can see why they make commies seethe, but why are rightwing people mad about it?

>>17023121
I'm easy to understand, I see two faggots simping for a neoliberal conman while disparaging neoliberal conmen I call them retarded cock suckers. Fuck CNN fuck Obama , fuck Trump and fuck you.
>
>you're not for the CIA you're for Wall Street,
You did the same thing you ignorant stump

>>17020243
'real' literature doesn't exist, you fucking retard.

>>17020059
You will never be a woman

>>17023104
>>17023144
>>17023135
CIA is just a pawn for neoliberal globalist rule. They're not the good guys, bunch of faggots honestly. Anyone who is left or right wing should hate them. They only benefit the rich neoliberal ruling class. There might be a few good guys among them but they're neutralized.

>>17023191
but what if I like neoliberal globalist rule?

>>17023191
I never claimed to like the CIA. You suck at this.

>>17023206
Are you lost? You seem really out of place and hostile. You're arguing with people who agree with you and saying reddit shit. Just chill. Try posting from a computer where you can type things instead of rattling off butthurt "fuck u bitch" replies from your phone.

>>17021212
>>17021876
>>17022005
>>17022890
>>17022915

>>17023231
Fuck u bitch

>>17023251
Except you faggots always bring up your hyperpozzed "organically" brainwashed bullshit first and everyone else has to see it. Not to mention the shitty bait threads. No doubt the honeypot stormfags are being paid to shill their disunity and jerk off on Darwins dusty grave. Disgusting creatures

pro tip: this whole thread is bait and everyone is falling for it

>>17023352
that's what happens when a thread gets stickied

>Anne McCaffrey dies. No sticky
>Ursula K Le Guin dies. No sticky
>Harold Bloom dies. No sticky

>>17023358
You're a faggot but the mods are anime watching idiots who only read shitty thrillers.

>>17023370
the only sticky i ever saw on /mu/ was some guitar shredder from a jap metal band, never for any /mu/core musician. i don't think the people who do the stickies actually read the boards.

>>17022503
Listen I'll be the first one to admit he's no EM Forster but that doesn't put him on the same level as Tom Cl*ncy, as usual there as tiers of trash just as there are tiers of classics

>>17020059
based

>>17023370
You’re a faggot with nothing to say.

Just abandon thread.

>>17023358
Because mods aren't even present on /lit/ 90% of the time

>>17023251
>>>/pol/ is a containment board. posting raceb8, and jewb8 outside of /pol/ should be a bannable offense, just as "trolling outside of /b/" is supposedly bannable

>The novel also criticizes Trump's foreign policy as subservient to Russia and faults the British government for continuing to cooperate with the United States under his presidency; one of the novel's characters referred to Trump as "Putin's shithouse cleaner" who "does everything for little Vladi that little Vladi can’t do for himself: pisses on European unity, pisses on human rights, pisses on NATO. Assures us that Crimea and Ukraine belong to the Holy Russian Empire, the Middle East belongs to the Jews and the Saudis, and to hell with the world order."
>one of the novel's characters referred to Trump as "Putin's shithouse cleaner" who "does everything for little Vladi that little Vladi can’t do for himself:
>the Middle East belongs to the Jews and the Saudis

Holy SHIT, this man is incredibly based. He fucking named the Jew.

Fuck this kike:
>>17020059

>>17021063
heh

>>17022503
WTF Tom Clancy is dead??

>>17023358
Bloom got a sticky, but it was awful due to a particularly pernicious /pol/tard
But Gass didn't get one

>>17023251
You are the faggots that bring up politics every single time.

>>17023274
BASED. FUCK

He's been on my list for a long time, but I still haven't read him. Even Pynchon is a fan, I know that much.

F.

>>17020059
Fuck. What a shame. P.

>>17020059
>
based le carrels

>>17020059
>
based le Carre

>>17020039
Rest in peace.

>>17022359
They're relatively well off compared to 1930s Germany and Japan, Poland and Hungary are shitholes in the sense that they have no political weight to them, Poland specifically has been elevated by German and EUbux and investments, they can't really go beyond standard conservative stances like abortion and lgbt bans.

>>17020039
rest in peace

>>17023358
Ursula got a sticky though

who?

Wasn’t he like a fucking airport novelist?

>>17022072
The BBC adaptation of it is great.

Literally who

>>17020039
F for Respect.

>>17020059
>Fascism up and running in Hungary
No, we have a corrupt mafia who's only goal is to rob our country and the reasons they're still here is because they have embedded itself in our country due to the previous party's immense failure and the lack of noteworthy opposition to this day, they also turned us into a multi-party democracy which is incredibly advantageous to them and the reaction from the opposition has been slow.
I can guarentee you, that if Western liberalism would be in vogue with our people instead of Putin esque populism and 'Christian illiberalism', then our ruling party would preach that instead.
They have no solid ideological lines and neither do most of the opposition.
May this man rest in peace, but I have to say that one shouldn't make statements like this one when they have nothing of worth to back it up.

>>17023475
He just went underground

>>17020039
Literally who??

>>17020039
Literally who? I'm English and I've never heard of this nobody.

>>17024408
He's the man who took Ken Little's anal virginity.

people die everyday?

>>17023387
"trolling" doesn't mean saying things you think other people shouldn't be allowed to read, twittard.

And by "bait", you seem to mean "evidence that shows my far leftism is in denial of reality." That's not what that word means either.

Man, communists are really terrible at speaking English.

>>17020039
F
>>17020059
But it's just foolish of him to say Hungary is going fascist

>>17023274
>honeypot!
>shill!
>bait!

Or maybe there is a real and growing racial conflict in America caused by deliberately unsustainable mass migration for the purpose of genocide, epidemic violent crime that your "leaders" and media all support and celebrate, and constant beratement, demonization and disenfranchisement of whites... nah it's just a couple of glowies right?

You're not gonna talk your way out of it when it escalates. All your carefully practiced weaselry and slime isn't going to help you survive.

This thread is moving so fast that no one will know that I like to shit in plastic bags and squeeze them like a stress ball.

>>17024489
You have mental illness. Everything is manufactured in America incorporated, including your paranoia. You've accepted very deeply a false reality that isn't supported with fact and evidence but with a baader-meinhoff syndrome predilection that only allows you to see what you want to, what you already believe and hold true.

It's escapable, but I can't help you.

>>17023274
Take your meds.

>>17023497
Hardly every time, but life is political and these are times of ideological upheaval. You should be glad that not every citizen is a totally apathetic and anaesthetized consoomer.

>>17023938
Yeah, we see this all over the world actually. Central banks trading investment for political concessions. Shady shit.

>>17024244
I thought your gov. was offering financial incentives for couples to have children, instead of importing hordes of non-Hungarians? That doesn't sound like the policy of a government which doesn't have any ideals or care about its people. I mean, even it's just because it's "in vogue" with the people, at least they're reflecting those interests.

>>17024501
I hope those are some heavy duty bags anon.

>>17024503
Haha... Don't bother trying to gaslight him. This trend of anti-whiteness isn't even subtle anymore, it's brazen and in our faces. All you're doing is proclaiming what a disingenuous piece of shit you are.

>>17024678
I'm not gaslighting anyone. "Anti-whiteness" is at most a cultural fad, at least it's a product of the collective confirmation bias of a compromised hivemind.

I want very sincerely to help people who live with this abject fear. I have accepted that I cannot.

>>17020243
>How much of a gap, if any, is there between the best genre fiction - e.g., Tinker Tailor - and "real" literature?
I've always thought 'genre fiction' is just a term used by literary critics to dismiss any literature they're too stupid to understand.

Well, not necessarily stupid (although it has to be said English Lit has one of the lowest IQ averages of any subject at undergrad). Rather, outside their area of expertise.

Take Tolkein for example. He was a world-class expert in the mythology of early medieval Europe and in its languages. The beauty of Lord of the Rings is not necessarily in its prose, it's in how faithfully he brings ancient stories into the modern world, and the intricacy with which he constructs the languages and cultures of the races that inhabit his setting. But literary critics are generally not historians, linguists or anthropologists. All they see is a bunch of fairies from a children's story.

Dune, by Frank Herbert, is not just a story about magical space nobility. It's a lecture on both international politics and ecology. In fact, Herbert started the novel because he'd been collecting research material for a piece on desert reclamation, and having collected far more than he needed for the article he was writing, he decided he might as well put it to good use. But critics are not ecologists; Herbert might just have well had written 'and then Paul waved a magic wand and made everything green' for all they can tell the difference.

These days LOTR and Dune have generally been accepted as masterpieces of their respective genres, but only because they've been around long enough. And there's still that caveat, 'of their genre', implying that they don't really measure up to serious literature like Catcher In The Rye or The Great Gatsby. More to the point, much modern Fantasy and Sci-Fi gets dismissed because critics can't tell the difference between the diamonds and the dross.


Most literary critics simply don't have the educational background to be able to distinguish between the quality of ideas in genre fiction. It's getting better these days as formerly niche genres have largely entered the mainstream and most kids get a basic primer on them growing up. But literature as an academic discipline is still filled with people who went into it either because they were looking for something easier than STEM or because they're just one of those people with the attitude that math and science is for geeks. When confronted with work full of technical detail like science fiction or espionage fiction, critics still have a tendency to hide behind snobbery rather than admit they're out of their depth.

>>17020039
F

>>17024691
It isn't a fad, and it will continue until Whites put an end to it or until our countries become so decidedly non-White that there's nothing left to take from us (but perhaps not even then).

I don't live in "abject fear", and I doubt that anon does either. We simply have a natural concern for the future of our people (an ethnocentric prerogative which is not considered controversial when exhibited by non-Whites, go figure).

>>17020039
He didn't live a tough life.

>>17024962
Ohnononono... The absolute state of it.

>>17020059
The guy was a gman, what did you expect?

>>17024489
they're literally not capable of understanding why people would have those views due to crimestop so they can only attribute it to shills or whatever

the funny thing is their actions actually reveal that subconsciously they have the same beliefs

Literally who?

bump

>>17020039
Literally who?

Are we going to have a sticky when Brian Sanderson dies?

>>17020039
Who?

>>17024691
It's not a fad since its clearly going to last and be the basis of the ideology of nu-liberalism

When I was a kid Russia House was his most famous book, now all I hear about is Twink, Soldier, Spy or whatever

Literally who

>>17020059
I love it when w*ctoids talk about my country being a fascist shithole based on reading two articles from the Guardian and then acting all mighty and righteous about calling us out.

>>17020059
P

>>17023251
Ok, but now you need to go back to /pol/, dumb faggot.

>>17020039
S.
Douchebag-Faggot-Retard died. Good riddance.

>>17020059
lol he's literally burning in hell as I type this

>>17025670
Hell doesn't exist
One True Roman Catholic Church
You will never be saved

>>17020243
I think almost all great literature is in fact genre fiction, but what makes something 'real' literature is that its always either a founder of the genre or a weird deviation from the norm.
They're always part of a genre with a set of rules, but are great precisely because they're subverting and twisting those rules. I think people tend to forget that because afterwards all the great works from that genre get compiled together into a literary canon without their original context.

The Greek playwrights we part of a fairly strict 'genre' of Greek tragedy, and Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euprides where the ones that founded, innovated or twisted the conventions of that genre,
Don Quichot takes the conventions and cliches of knights tales and shepherds plays and twists them around, and Shakespeare wrote in a tradition or 'genre' of theatre with a very rigid set of rules, which he purposefully broke.

I think the same can be said for modern genre fiction. In time people will remember the ones that innovated or twisted or deviated from the conventions of the genre as literature, and i think Le Carre's might fit this category.

can I get a sticky too when I an hero?

>>17020059
>I like fascism
but why?

>>17020059
Lmao what a bitch

>>17020065
>>17020085
spying aint like the movies

>>17026015
Because he isn't a myopic pussy.

>>17026253
The Fascist King says Nazism is the ideal society. You can't deny it.

>>17026269
Are you ok? Time for a nap.

>>17021980
Only the first part of that post was bad though.

>>17024898
Paranoid fool

>>17020059
>Some basic bitch conservative countries are fascist
>Libsimping for islam

kinda cringe ngl

>>17020039
REST IN HELL FAGGOT ENGLISH CHEKIST

>>17020039
Who le Carres HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17020059
Disapprove of Islam but Rushdie is a waste of space, I would literally rather have a conversation with the Grand Vizier.

Meanwhile about fascism rising in Europe, having been there, it seems never to have left.

>>17025695
Rome's behavior is just further evidence to me that the last 200 years has been a disaster for the west.

>sticky
>only 200 replies
lmao, le who carres

>>17026672
I saw a post here the other day saying that lit might just be the slowest board in all of 4chan. So I came to lit this morning and there was this stick thread, it's been hours since then, and then came here again just now, I updated and there was only 29 new posts. Holy shit, this board is way too slow, and this fucking stick thread for christ's sake. Whenever someone dies, there's just a massive avalanche of posts, but here is deserted as the fucking sahara.

>>17026722
lol fuck off pussy boy

>>17020039
Always feel bad for people who just died, that was your last second on earth, did you die a devout beliver and went to heaven? Or did you die a degenerate atheist and will now never have a peaceful moment ever again? No second chances after death has came. Scary...

>>17026749
It's the truth, anon. And honestly I like it that way. Since started to actually to cultivate the habit of reading this year, I personally prefer to have a smaller group of people that share the a common taste for reading. If it were inundated with people it's way more likely that it would devolve into a sea of nonsensical, superfluous discussions. Also, dilate you fucking faggot.

>>17026799
Fuck off newfag this is a shithole. You'll become sick of the same tranny tripfags soon.

>>17025267
>>17025283
>>17025299
Someone that actually made it. Cry more trannies.

>>17020039
RIP good man. I did read some in my early 20s. I might take you up again.

>>17027035
Cringe

>>17026722
that's because the low iq trip chuds, schizophrenic nazis, and sad self-shills drove away anyone willing to create quality content, which is to say posts worth engaging with, a long time ago

>>17027690
>chuds
opinion discarded

Reminder we did not have a sticky for Philip Roth.

>>17027993
who?

>>17027993
Good

>>17028013
Philip Roth was born in Newark, New Jersey, on March 19, 1933,[4] and grew up at 81 Summit Avenue in the Weequahic neighborhood.[4] He was the second child of Bess (née Finkel) and Herman Roth, an insurance broker.[5] Roth's family was Jewish, and his parents were second-generation Americans. Roth's father's parents came from Kozlov near Lviv (then Lemberg) in Austrian Galicia; his mother's ancestors were from the region of Kyiv in Ukraine.

>>17027035
I'm not a newfag, nigger. Not a newfag even to lit. It's just that I'd be more active on philosophical threads than others, then I stopped coming here for some time. Now I go to specific books whenever I feel like it. However, I'm dedicating more time to actually read than to shitpost.

>>17027690
It's not even the /pol/alacks, man. It's the fuck trolls, I think, and they are more often on /pol/ than any other boards. So they try to disturb other boards by acting like an insufferable pol faggot. Not to say, of course, that you said is completely false, there is definitely truth to it.

>>17027993
Do you have a link to the Philip Roth RIP thread? I can't seem to find it in the archive

>>17020039
Not really my genre but F

>>17027750
>getting butthurt by chud
opinion disregarded

>>17020039
literally who?

>>17028419
author of the 2nd most famous spy novel series

>>17020039
Legacy of Spies is really good. Just picked up Agent Running in the Field when I heard this.

>What the hell do you think spies are? Moral philosophers measuring everything they do against the word of God or Karl Marx? They're not! They're just a bunch of seedy, squalid bastards like me. Little men — drunkards, queers, hen-pecked husbands, civil servants — playing Cowboys and Indians to brighten their rotten little lives.

>John le Carre was still alive

>>17020059
>Fascism is up and running in Poland and Hungary.
Dude I wish

>>17020039
F

>>17020039
>Jean The Square
was it autism?

>>17020039
never read him, but saw the Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy movie with Gary Oldman. it was shit. RIP

>>17026722
Slow is good, don't jinx it.

>>17028062
dilate

>>17022038
Le Carré’s work also says more about the human condition than Rushdie’s. Rushdie is just a quirky fantasy writer but because his novels have brown people in them they’re “magic realism” and “postmodern.” He’s Neil Gaiman for ivory tower plebs too “educated” to read Neil Gaiman. LeCarré writes spy novels but his characters and the moral quandaries they face are more in keeping with a Dostoyevsky. In the future, when people want to find out about Western Cold War politics and what the birth of surveillance society was really like they’ll be reading LeCarré.

literally who

>>17026722
lol /lit/ is definitely not the slowest board. that's gotta be like /f/. /lit/ feels about on the same tier as /ck/ and /trv/ in speed, aka very comfy

>>17029839
>but saw the Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy movie with Gary Oldman. it was shit.

Correct. That book is great, however. As is the BBC adaptation with Alec Guinness.

>>17020059
Le Carre was a fucking intelligence officer which precludes being anything but very very mildly left of center. Anyone who gets seriously angry over these opinions or thinks they are in any way leftist or even particularly liberal has drunk the kool aid

>>17024725
Dune has awful characters and pacing though. Sure Herbert put in some out there ecology and space politics, but ultimately the characters and plot are more important than the world building. To be fair, many "great" works of literature have lackluster plot and characters as well, but I'd argue the stuff Dune excelled at is the window dressing to a novel rather than the meat.

>>17030394
The politics and intrigue part of the novel are a very minor element and mostly happen in the background. People like it, but we don't actually see a lot of it. Honestly I am convinced people say that because unlike a lot of pulpy sci fi at the time Dune doesn't pretend politics (or people's inner psychology) don't exist. I also see people, far more often, complain that Dune's ecology is nonsensical. The accomplishment seems to be mostly that yet again unlike a lot of sci fi at the time, even supposedly "hard" sci fi, Dune didn't pretend ecology doesn't exist and looked at terraforming in anything but the most mechanical, simplistic and detached way possible.

I can't disagree on the characters, but Herbert deals less in individual characters and personalities than he does in archetypes and generally messing a little bit with narrative structure. Dune is fundamentally Lawrence of Arabia in space, but the twist comes in that the entire situation is artificial and set up in advance by the Missionaria Protectiva. And Paul knows right from the start that he has no option but to become space turbo-Hitler.

>>17026722
Might as well delete this board tbqhwya

>>17020039
F I guess. Never read or watched his shit be heard of him?

>>17020059
I agree with both statements.

>>17031343
Piss on you instead then, wanker.

>>17026722
The board was split in two a few years ago.

>>17026722
/lit/ being slow is one of the best things about it. It used to be even slower.

>>17020059
dont care, any westerner now is a glowing lighthouse of le progress, his books are fuckin best tho

>>17020039
really sad :(

>>17020059
Cry harder you faggot
LE CARRE IS BASED NOW, I’LL READ HIM INSHALLAH JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DEFENDING THIS GREAT RELIGION

>>17030101
It's /po/. I just went there and there's a thread from fucking 2018.... Holy fucking shit! I just checked again and there's actually thread from motherfucking 2016 still active, and it has there's only 188 posts!!!!! My God! I'm thinking of writing something and go check it 4 later, damn. That has to be slowest board.

Why is this stickied?

>>17033330
He's a famous author. If mods didn't sticky it, the part of /lit/ which reads with a kind of doomsday device level of autistic literary fervour would have buggered the board with the kind of enthusiasm not seen since the non-novelist Burgess was employed by the BBC.
>>17032567
They tried to split the board a few years ago. The aforementioned autism happened and /his/ became pol2.0 and all the classics and philosophical scholarship stayed here.

>>17033529
What do you mean tried? They did split it.

>>17033562
For it to split, you'd need posters from /lit/ to have moved there. If they split any board by creating /his/, they split /pol/

>>17023251
Fucking kek, I hope [s4s] starts invading other boards then tries to use these shitty points to defend themselves.

>>17033569
Clearly the board changed after /his/ was made and many things became off topic. Look at traffic of pol before and after his compared to traffic of lit before and after his.

>>17020039
F
My dad gave me a small collection of his books which I still read to this day

>>17033529
>He's a famous author. If mods didn't sticky it, the part of /lit/ which reads with a kind of doomsday device level of autistic literary fervour would have buggered the board with the kind of enthusiasm not seen since the non-novelist Burgess was employed by the BBC.
Eh that happens all the time anyway. And this thread is proof that most replies are only because it was stickied and not because people were interested. I don't think your point applies here.

>>17033721
The only noticeable changes were that we lost the /his/ threads which were the most book title dense threads, and we got a lower quality of poster. Oh and the mods had to change the sticky here to cave to the demands of the blessed autists who actually still read, reversing all of the changes that made anything off topic here.
>>17033755
It's pretty rare that kind of weaponized autism shows up here. People who reply just because the thread is stickied are basically the antithesis of it. And of course it doesn't apply in this case: the thread got stickied. There was a hint of that kind of autism when Dario Fo died without a sticky. When there was a move to split /lit/ and send posts to /his/ it came out in full force and mods changed the /lit/ sticky within 48 hours to assuage it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwFoMfKcds

pour les francophones

>>17033807
His French is very good, impressive.

>>17033806
>It's pretty rare that kind of weaponized autism shows up here.
You must be new here.
>And of course it doesn't apply in this case: the thread got stickied.
My point was that the lack of interest in this sticky proves that it didn't need to be stickied for fear of zealous autism.

>>17033806
That’s a big change

>>17034010
>You must be new here.
Doubtful considering my post. Especially doubtful since you seem to not know what level of autism is required to force the mods' hand, while I've cited examples of anon doing just that.
>My point was that the lack of interest in this sticky proves that it didn't need to be stickied for fear of zealous autism
It probably did. Two threads were up before the BBC announced his death. That's a sign the autists have awoken. Now, you might not feel so moved by the event. But you also probably are not responsible for the sticky changing, ever.

>>17034043
>Doubtful considering my post
Twas a joke. I thought that was obvious.
>Especially doubtful since you seem to not know what level of autism is required to force the mods' hand, while I've cited examples of anon doing just that.
You cited examples, but what makes you think this would have been the same?
>Two threads were up before the BBC announced his death. That's a sign the autists have awoken.
Two threads is a sign the autists have awoken? Then the autists are insomniacs every day with multiple Guenon/Bukowski/gay Plato/whatever is currently in vogue threads up.

>>17034091
Two threads before the national news in his home country announce his death is a very short time frame.
>what makes you think this would have been the same?
What makes you think I've not bullied the mods to ground and am not responsible for any of the memes you cited? I wasn't the OP for either of the leCarré threads, but I can recognise the style.

>>17034115
>revealing your power level in a Smiley thread
You know nothing of the style.

>>17031919
you'll never be a woman

>>17022072
A Perfect Spy is a wonderful novel, one of my all-time favourites no matter the genre.
Cannot recommend it enough

>>17028274
>using the word "butthurt"

>>17020039
lol, good riddance

>>17020039
>linking the g*ardian

>>17020039
fuck off with the guardian retard

who?

>>17035239
>>17035358
>Having the spelling and grammar skills of The Guardian is fine, however.
geg

>>17020992
Based Chesterton

Who the fuck is this guy? And why does he get a sticky and Gass didn't?

>lots of posters saying literally who
>lots of posters talking his views on trump, and accusing him of leftism, and talking about his views on rushdie
>random dune poster
Lads are the Cambridge Five scandals not a thing for the US? Did they just sweep that one under the rug since it's mostly their secrets they stole?

>>17020039
literal who?

unironically how do people not know who this is?
i just started reading as a hobby this August and i know who he is

>>17036733
I'm >>17036509 I think it might be an American memory lapse out of hurt pride or bravado or whatever their reason for making up history to tell themselves. But I can't tell because anon's aren't posting their nationalities. I thought Americans would read a lot of spy novels.

>>17020039
>days old news
>sticky
>only 300 replies
lmao. more like who le carres

>>17036815
Where are you from?

>>17036733

This is a good thought you can share on twitter you faggot. Nobody cares when you started reading.

>>17037021
You clearly do, m8. I'm not even him but why are you posting in a thread about le Carre just to tell us you don't care about when anon started reading?

never read a single book of his

watched Tinker Tailor film...and fuck me it was boring af

>>17037080
The book is 10x more boring, if you can believe it

>>17020039
Who

wheeeee here i go

>>17020039
Glad the sticky is gone and now this literal who will be forgotten for good :)

>>17023358
literally who x3
that being said: neither Bonnefoy nor Girard got a sticky, mods are fags and butters too

Final S before the archive.

GOOODBYYYYYE

>>17036509
Cambridge Five is a good start at a redpill for how Stalinist the upper class was back in the day. Awful people, all of them.

Last.

>who
>56 results
Lmao

die in hell bitch

F

Glad that an *nlgo died

BYE BYE LITERALLY WHO

>>17020039
Don't know who he was, but RIP.