/lit/ - Literature

>>17011073
idk but that's a fantastic name for a book, what is the gestalt? I will go rifle through an illegally downloaded copy immediately

Wahdat Al Wujud is just Vedanta rehashed.

>>17011073
Ibn Arabi is excellent. Been looking at some of Rumi's poetry recently. I have not read Tree of Being, would you recommend it?

>>17011984
>Rumi of Persia
Kek. Rumi means from Rum(Anatolia).
This title literally means '' Jalal of Anatolia of Persia''

>>17013113
Rum means Rome you dumb ass T*rk.
And he was Persian, despite the geography.

>>17013162
The specific term for Rum used for Eastern Rome, and in the time of Rum Sultane(which includes only Anatolia and not Europe) this term used only for Anatolians.
He was a Persian from Afganistan and preferred to use Balkhi and later on changed it with Rumi as he permanently settled in Konya, Anatolia.

>>17011073
Henry Corbin is very good.

>>17011082
Neoplatonism with Islamic charactersitics. Poetic and beautiful with genuine contributions to the school.

>>17011073
Why would you read sufi fanfiction when you could just go to the source and read the neoplatonists? Unless you're muslim I don't see any reason to read the second-hand version of the philosophy you're seemingly interested in.

>>17013424
Because it's not the exact same doctrine, there is more Sufi literature in total which is available to read, and they also have massive amounts of phenomenal poetry, which is not true for the Neoplatonists. Al-Ghazali despite being a Sufi himself wreck the Islamic Platonists. Most of Sufism doesn't adopt the three hypostases into their cosmogony like Neoplatonism does.

>>17013424
Because it's a development of the school. The imaginal realm, the perfect man (borrowed no doubt from Christian Neoplantonist musings on Christ, but again developed), the gates between worlds (like Stiegler's transitional objects), and the sheer beauty of the prose. Platonism didn't die in Late Antiquity, there's no reason to confine yourself to that era.

>>17013385
>a fellow Corbin enjoyer
Very based.
>Neoplatonism with Islamic characteristics
I don't like the whole "X thing is just Y with Z characteristics" way of seeing these traditions since I feel that they are often quite unalike each other past the broad strokes, plus if someone is looking for Islamic Neoplatonists the Ismailis would be more of what they're looking for than people like Ibn Arabi or Ghazali.

>>17013887
Sure, not all Sufi's are Neoplatonists, in the same way not all philosophers and mystics are neoplatonists. Ghazli isn't one.

Ibn Arabi's perfect man is a clear development of Gregory of Nyssa's anthropology of Christ as the form of man and intermediary between man and God. His ontology is Neoplatonic, the focus on the names of god that began with Dionysus the Areopagite. He is best understood as an Islamic Neoplatonist (or just Platonist) in the same way we understand certain Christian mystics and philosophers as Christian Neoplatonists (Eriugena, Nicholas of Cusa, Meister Eckhart etc.).

>>17013949
>the focus on the names of god that began with Dionysus the Areopagite
Huh, I never knew that, that's pretty neat. Books on that subject?
>Ibn Arabi's perfect man is a clear development of Gregory of Nyssa's anthropology of Christ as the form of man and intermediary between man and God
I'll give you that.
>His ontology is Neoplatonic
This is where I'll have to ask you to elaborate though, because to my understanding while Neoplatonic ontology and Wahdat al Wujud are definitely similar, they are different in a few ways, such as the celestial hierarchy and the whole world spirit and phenomenal world thing.

>>17011984
Is that the work of an orthodox icon painter?

>>17014030
There's big differences between the ontology of Proclus and the ontology of say Eriugena. If everything emanates from a transcendental One, and some form of identity is shared between the uncreated One and the created effects, then it's safe to call it Platonic.

I think the Platonic interest in philosphising the names of god begins with Philo, the Jewish Middle Platonist:
https://stanford.library.sydney.edu.au/archives/spr2018/entries/philo/#PoweGodLogo

Dionysius makes it centre with his On the Divine Names:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pseudo-dionysius-areopagite/#DivNam
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopagite_03_divine_names.htm

>>17015235
I have no idea to be honest, I just found it one time and kept it because I liked it

>>17015651
>If everything emanates from a transcendental One, and some form of identity is shared between the uncreated One and the created effects, then it's safe to call it Platonic.
Under this definition practically all of Hinduism becomes Platonic despite it developing independently of Platonism, it seems too broad and simplistic a definition that obscures the significant differences in doctrine which remain once you proceed past this surface level similarity.

>>17013887
>>17013385
Henry Corbin is Persian (Shiite) inspired. Corbin > Shi'i Neplatonism > Ismaili sufism.

>>17013887
I know nothing about Islam but I started reading The Universal Tree by Ibn Arabi upon seeing this thread and the first thing I thought of was Plato

Redpill me on the Sufi practice of 'shahid bazi'

Is anyone here familiar enough with Ismailism to explain their concept of the Universal Adam and Tenth intellect?