/lit/ - Literature

>>17009607
>At which point did leftists stop being based and start being cringe?
When leftism was invented.

>>17009607
Are you saying Frankfurt are based or tankies or tradmarxists?

>>17009607
Frankfurt school has been tied to Sabbatean Frankism, literally a Satanic cult.

>>17009616
The frankfurters are based, contrary to what Jordan Peterson might have you think. Their whole shtick is that capitalism is antithetical to genuine culture.

>>17009607
The west is being ruined by liberalism, dipshit. Communism died 30 years ago and even when it was alive it wasn’t communist countries that promoted internal miscegenation or approved of homosexuality. Additionally, the decline began before communism existed, the first decriminalisation of homosexuality in the modern period was during the French Revolution (a liberal revolution) rather than a later communist one. Cultural Marxism is a term used by conservative liberals who wish to pretend that liberalism and capitalism have nothing to do with what’s happening.

>>17009607
Communism
Frankfurt School
Contemporary Social Justice
Globalism
Freemasonry (incl. Illuminati and other sects)
Certain Jewish strands
etc.

All spring from the same source which is expulsion of God in order to make place for self-deification of Man. They don't need to be consciously connected in a conspiracy, they are connected spiritually by the sin of their father - the Devil who in his pride wanted to be God. The Devil operates in these movements because they are his offspring, the offspring of the first sin which is pride. You will note that among aforementioned movements only two are religious/spiritual, Freemasonry and Jews. These two incidentally are usually behind those other secular movements and this is not surprising because they are a layer closer to the Devil himself. Who do you think Freemasonry is invoking in their gnostic heresy? Who do you think the Jewish Messiah who will subdue all nations under them is? "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"

>>17009642
>he's losing himself in the latest -ism all of which spring from the same Satanic source

Open your eyes.

>b-but mommy spirits aren't real, God isn't real, what d-do you mean that the elite aren't atheists themselves?

>>17009677
>muh satan

>>17009642
>Cultural Marxism is a term used by conservative liberals who wish to pretend that liberalism and capitalism have nothing to do with what’s happening.
Based beyond belief.

>>17009618
every fucking time
What about Franz Boas?

>>17009677
Sigmund Freud:
>Hannibal had been the favourite hero of my later school days. Like so many boys of my age, I had sympathized in the Punic Wars not with the Romans but with the Carthaginians. And when in the higher classes I began to understand for the first time what it meant to belong to an alien race, and anti-semitic feelings among the other boys warned me that I must take up a definite position, the figure of the semitic general rose still higher in my esteem. To my youthful mind Hannibal and Rome symbolized the conflict between the tenacity of Jewry and the organization of the Catholic Church.

Karl Marx:
"How so! I plunge, plunge wihout fail
My blood-black sabre into your soul.
That art God neither wants nor wists,
It leaps to the brain from Hell's black mists.

"Till heart's bewitched, till senses reel:
With Satan I have struck my deal.
He chalks the signs, beats time for me,
I play the death march fast and free.

>“Thus Heaven I’ve forfeited, I know it full well,” he wrote in a poem in 1837, a decade before his Manifesto. “My soul, once true to God, is chosen for Hell.” That certainly seemed to be the perverse destiny for Marx’s ideology, which consigned to death over 100 million souls in the twentieth century alone.

>>17009677
ok anglo

>>17009723
Why do you think Coca-Colla pushes identity politics, you fag?
Do you think its executives would purposefully act against its interests?

>>17009723
>Gershom Scholem once described Walter Benjamin as a theologian who wandered into the sphere of the profane and took all the hazards incipient in this bold maneuver. For Scholem, however, even these hazards were of theological nature: they belonged to the antinomian heritage of Jewish messianism, most of all the Sabbatean and Frankist movements which walked ‘a thin line between nihilism and religion’ in order to overthrow the rigid doctrine of the Law in the name of a ‘blessed life.’

>Walter Benjamin remarked that he felt a close affinity with Jacob Frank, but Benjamin was lucky to have a friend like Gershom Scholem, who immediately reacted to his religious, however non-normative, Judaic sensibility. Max Horkheimer, less fortunate, had to do it himself: many years later, in a famous interview for German radio, he declared that the early Frankfurt School was really all about a ‘Judaism undercover.’ This ‘Marrano’ characteristic, which at the same time betrays and covers its traces, applies all the more to Theodor Adorno who was the most reluctant of the three to confess his religious indebtedness, yet all his works, at least from Minima Moralia on, have the distinctive pathos of the Hebraic prophet who preaches to the strayed hosts in the midst of the wilderness. In his later essay, “Reason and Revelation,” Adorno only confirms the importance of Scholem’s diagnosis about theology which needs to jump into the abyss of profanation: “Nothing will last of the traditional theological contents; they must take on themselves a risk of contaminating itself with the secular and the profane.”

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/humanities/departments/theology-and-religious-studies/news-and-events/events/events-archive/2013/critical-theory-and-jewish-thought.aspx

>>17009607
>If the frankfurt school aren't the communists ruining the west, where are they?
There is no communists ruining the west, since there were never communits governing the west in the first place. You are replying the same peasant nonsense about evil spirit doing bad things when it was monarchy degeneracy all the time.
Also, most of Frankfurt left intellectuals were just burgueois filocommunists, not communists at all. Communism is both, marxian materialistic methodology, and revolutionary praxis. Frankfurt was just freudomarxist analysis without political praxis.

>>17009677
>imagine being this retarded

>>17009792
Just look at Habermas, he is considered a Frankfurt left intellectual, but his ideas are all pure capitalistic ethics.

>>17009686
>Believe in magic because I'm condescending on the internet
Real clown shit bro.

>>17009640
communism is also antithetical to genuine culture as well though don't forget that anon :) sure u left that out on accident.

>>17009783
Nothing to see here.

>>17009618
>>17009677
This is correct.

>>17009792
>Also, most of Frankfurt left intellectuals were just burgueois filocommunists, not communists at all. Communism is both, marxian materialistic methodology, and revolutionary praxis. Frankfurt was just freudomarxist analysis without political praxis.

Yes good boy, focus on superficial differences between these ideologies and ignore the underlying spiritual similarities. Good boy, you are a real serious atheist intellectual, my my, we might even have a university post for you!

God bless capitalism.

>>17009826
Definitely nothing to see here. Evil doesn't exist, now go on and teach us about the difference between post-colonial feminist communism and freudo-lacanian hegelian communism.

https://ia800904.us.archive.org/24/items/SabbateanFrankismAsTheParadigmOfTheModernLeft-TheRebbeBlog/Sabbatean-Frankism%20as%20the%20Paradigm%20of%20the%20Modern%20Left%20%E2%80%93%20TheRebbeBlog.pdf

>>17009843
I really hope you are a child, because it would be depressing that some educated young man really believed that kind of pol/x spiritual reductionism. Anyway, no sane person would take you seriously.

>>17009607
Around 1789

>>17009883
Why not? He's correct. You're focusing on surface level differences while ignoring that both are based on the same philosophical foundation.

>>17009871
Wow, a jew who is read by a small minority of people flirted with obscure and spooky doctrines! This means big things!

>>17009871
No No No. There was no Evil operating behind the scenes in the French Revolution how could it be? It was just a popular revolt, a righteous cause for Social Justice! This is just a conspiracy theory, I don't care about how well-sourced it is! Freemasonry is just a meme!

http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/336/-jews,-masons-french-revolution/

http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/945/-origins-freemasonry/

>>17009935
I am curious to know who was running all these printing presses that were flooding France with illegal texts. Every history of France or the Enlightenment just says lots of banned subversive books were being smuggled in but never names names. I mean surely they would be considered heroes by history right? So why hasn't someone mined this untouched area for a Phd thesis?

>>17009914
>don't notice things, goy!

>>17009914
It was not the Jews. It was heretical Jews and their anti-Christian sometimes Lucifer-worshipping White European counterparts who congregated around the philosophy of "Enlightenment", around the French Revolution and persist in masonic sects.

Alta Vendita:
They were inaugurating a work that would be carried on by succeeding generation of the initiated members. The Permanent Instruction says ‘In our ranks the soldier dies and the struggle goes on.’


The instruction called for the dissemination of liberal ideas and axioms (values) throughout society and within the institutions of the Catholic Church so that laity, seminarians, clerics and prelates would, over the years, gradually be imbued with progressive principals (Condemned Masonic principles).


In time, this mind-set would be so pervasive that priests would be ordained, bishops would be consecrated and cardinals would be nominated whose thinking was in step with the modern thought rooted in the French Revolution's declaration of the "Rights of Man" and other principal of 789 (equality of Religions, separation of Church and State, Religious pluralism etc.)


Eventually, a Pope would be elected from these ranks who would lead the Church on the path of "enlightenment" and "renewal" they stated that it was not their aim to place a Freemason on the Chair of Peter. Their goal was to effect an environment that would eventually produce a Pope and a hierarchy won over to the ideas of liberal Catholicism, all the while believing themselves to be faithful Catholics.


These Catholic leaders, then, would no longer oppose the modern ideas of the Revolution (as had been consistent practice of the Popes from 1789 until 1958 - the death of Pope Pius XII - who condemned these liberal principals) but would amalgamate them into the church. The end result would be a ‘Catholic Clergy’ and laity marching under the banner of the Enlightenment and Freemasonry, all the while thinking they are marching under the banner of the Apostolic keys.

http://catholicmap.blogspot.com/2017/06/a-masonic-blue-print-for-destruction-of.html

>muh jooz
>muh freemasons
>muh illuminati
>muh satanist baby eaters

we schizo boomer hours now

>>17009896
What I'm saying is that Frankfurt is basically capitalism, not communism. Do you believe the US would accept left intellectualism in their universities? Not even marxists like what reactionaries believe is "communism or marxism". In fact, most contemporary marxists --aka. marxian methodology and political praxis-- are considered reactionary by progressive western social politician/activists. You need to read actual books and stop making assumptions based on twitter garbage informational wars.

>>17009980
>something something jews freemasonry
>source: joe's blogspot
every fucking time kek

>>17010002
>You need to read actual books and stop making assumptions
Oh the irony, it hurts. All you do is make assumptions. You're not even close to what I was getting at. But you're indoctrinated yourself, that much is clear.

>>17010005
I think this Catholic guys are just trying to cover up the fact that it was all a plot by the JESUITS!

>>17009980
NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CONNECT THE DOTS, IT'S JUST ALL A COINCIDENCE, THERE IS NO SPIRIT OF EVIL WORKING BEHIND THESE MOVEMENTS

>The roots of a questioning of the dominance of neo-scholasticism may be traced to work done from the 1920s onwards. Some French Jesuit studies made in exile at Ore Place, Hastings, in 1906–1926 might be seen as forerunners of the nouvelle théologie.[1] However, the nouvelle théologie movement itself is generally associated with the period between 1935 and 1960.[2] The movement in its early stages (i.e. the 1930s and early 1940s) is also particularly associated with the French language, a contrast with the Latin used in seminary teaching at the time.[3]

>The developing movement received criticisms in the late 1940s and 1950s. A first attack was made by the influential Dominican[4] theologian Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange in a polemical 1946 article in the journal Angelicum.[5] While the theologians of the movement generally preferred to call their movement a ressourcement, based on their return to original patristic thought, Garrigou-Lagrange claimed that they did not "return to the sources" but deviated from the long-standing theological tradition of the Catholic Church, thus creating a "new theology" all their own which, he argued, was essentially Modernism in disguise.

>Subsequently, many of these criticisms of the ideas involved in the nouvelle théologie were developed by Pope Pius XII in his 1950 encyclical Humani generis. These are, for example, rejecting the traditional dogmatic formulations that emerged throughout church history as a result of scholastic theology, re-interpreting Catholic dogma in a way that was inconsistent with tradition, falling into the error of dogmatic relativism and criticizing biblical texts in a way that deviated from the principles of biblical hermeneutics outlined by his predecessors (principally Leo XIII). Pius XII warned that the movement approached the error of modernism, a heresy vehemently condemned by Pius X in 1907.

>The theologians usually associated with nouvelle théologie are Henri de Lubac (whose ideas were believed to have been condemned by Humani Generis of Pope Pius XII; de Lubac, however, insisted that Humani Generis did not affect him doctrinally[9]), Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (who argued against the traditional doctrine of the historical existence of Adam and Eve[citation needed]), Hans Urs von Balthasar (who said that we can have "reasonable hope" that all will be saved[10]), Yves Congar (who advocated against the titles "Co-Redemptrix" and "Mediatrix of All Graces" to the Virgin Mary[citation needed]), Karl Rahner (who created the modernist theory of the "anonymous christians" and denied the virginity of Mary in partu[11]), Hans Küng (who denied papal infallibility[12]), Edward Schillebeeckx, Marie-Dominique Chenu, Louis Bouyer, Jean Daniélou, Jean Mouroux [es; fr], Henri Bouillard, and Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI).

>>17010005
Just read the original Alta Vendita text.

>>17009642
Why are you so obsessed with fags?

>>17010011
I'm not even a marxist, neither I like that theory. But I know the formal discussion on that, because that is what serious academics do, studying things and write theory based on serious theory so you don't end inventing angel wars and spiritual illconstructed nonsense. The problem is that most reactionary westerners are uneducated people that doesn't even know what spirit mean in intellectual discussions.

>>17010037
>that is what serious academics do, studying things and write theory based on serious theory so you don't end inventing angel wars and spiritual illconstructed nonsense.
This has to be bait lmao

>>17010019
>overthrowing the papacy
seems pretty based desu
where can i get initiated

>>17010015
NOOOO SPIRITS AREN'T REAL, EVIL ISN'T REAL, IT'S JUST POLITICS, THERE IS NO UNDERLYING MEANING TO IT, NO GOOD OR EVIL MOMMY NOOOOOOO

>On October 13, 1884, after celebrating Mass in the Vatican Chapel together with a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, Pope Leo XIII suddenly stood still at the foot of the altar. For about 10 minutes, the Pope, as if in a trance, stood motionless, his face ashen white. Immediately after, he went to his office and composed the prayer to St. Michael with instructions that it be said after all Low Masses everywhere.

When asked what happened, Pope Leo XIII explained that when he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he heard two voices talking - one kind and gentle, the other harsh and arrogant. He heard the following conversation:

The arrogant voice of Satan boasting to Our Lord: "I can destroy your Church." The gentle voice of Our Lord: "You can? Then go ahead and do so." Satan: "To do so, I need more time and more power."

>On October 13, 1884, after celebrating Mass in the Vatican Chapel together with a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, Pope Leo XIII suddenly stood still at the foot of the altar. For about 10 minutes, the Pope, as if in a trance, stood motionless, his face ashen white. Immediately after, he went to his office and composed the prayer to St. Michael with instructions that it be said after all Low Masses everywhere.

>When asked what happened, Pope Leo XIII explained that when he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he heard two voices talking - one kind and gentle, the other harsh and arrogant. He heard the following conversation:

>The arrogant voice of Satan boasting to Our Lord: "I can destroy your Church." The gentle voice of Our Lord: "You can? Then go ahead and do so." Satan: "To do so, I need more time and more power."

>Our Lord: "How much time? How much power?” Satan: "75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service." Our Lord: "You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will."

>After the Second Vatican Council, Pope Paul VI remarked that the smoke of Satan was seeping into the Church through cracks in the wall. On October 13, 1977, he said: "The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the highest levels within the Church."

http://www.all-about-the-virgin-mary.com/freemasonry-in-the-church.html

>>17010073
MOMMY, WHY DO PROPHECIES PREDICT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND CAN BE CORROBORATED BY DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE, MOMMY I THOUGHT SPIRITUAL WARFARE WAS NOT REAL? I THOUGHT GOD DOES'T EXIST? MOMMY?

>In the Church-approved Marian apparition of Our Lady of Good Success at Quito, Ecuador in 1634, Our Lady warned Venerable Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres that in the late 19th Century and throughout most of the 20th Century, the Church would yield to a great heresy. The Sacrament of Matrimony“will be attacked and profaned,” and “Masonry, which will then be in power, will enact iniquitous laws with the objective of doing away with this Sacrament, making it easy for everyone to live in sin, encouraging the procreation of illegitimate children born without the blessing of the Church.”


>In the Church-approved apparitions of Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady warns of this attack on the Church from within:

>The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scored and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. The demon will rage especially against souls consecrated to God.

>Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich, the stigmatist and mystic who was given various visions of the life of the Blessed Virgin and the Lord Jesus, was another visionary who prophesied about a future time when a “secret sect” will relentlessly undermine the Church:

I saw the secret sect relentlessly undermining the great Church. Near them I saw a horrible beast coming up from the sea. All over the world, good and devout people, especially the clergy, were harassed, oppressed, and put into prison...I saw many churches closed down, great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed...But it did not last long...

>>17010091
>WHY DO PROPHECIES PREDICT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND CAN BE CORROBORATED BY DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE
you mean like Das Kapital?

>>17010091
We should definitely not connect things. These are just coincidences. Please do make more existential Heideggerian papers on the difference of post-theological Buddhist Dasein and Ecumenical practices of Scientological Materialism, we have a post for you at Harvard!

>>17010132
Yikes.

>>17009607
>At which point did leftists stop being based and start being cringe?
When capitalism subverted leftism.

When will you admit he was right

>>17009618
>>17009677
>>17009686
>>17009723
>>17009783
>>17009826
>>17009843
>>17009871
>>17009935
>>17009980
>>17010015
>>17010073
>>17010091
>>17010146

Time to shut it down. The links of certain intellectuals and intellectual schools to Sabbatean Frankists is just accidental as is their poetry and statements about Satan and destruction of Church and Christianity. The fact that some of them admitted their intellectual projects were certainly a Jewish project is just accidental too. Freemasonry and certain Jewish sects were just accidentally involved in the French Revolution and had no real interest in it nor in the Enlightenment thinking which itself was accidentally propagated by certain Church-hating individuals. This is pure coincidence. Freemasonry definitely doesn't engage in self-deification and even worships Lucifer and even if we admit that the Alta Vendita freemasonic document is real and speaks of infiltration and subversion of the Church from within and its destruction, it must be just a larp by some individuals. It doesn't matter that prophecies predicted this infiltration beforehand, that's just accidental and not real, God isn't real so neither are prophetic gifts. The Nouvelle Theologie being very close to a compromise to masonic modernist viewpoints and being condemned by Popes multiple times only to emerge as victorious in Vatican II is merely a coincidence too. It can in no way shape or form be connected to other cases that all tie into this too. Jewish involvment in Communism is accidental as it is its atheist and staunchly anti-Christian murderous character. All of this is accidental and we should definitely NOT make any connections about this, there does NOT exist any fundamental, spiritual even, substratum to all of these movements. Go to bed, relax, maybe load up some porn, or go work out. You're spending too much time thinking about this. In no way shape or form are these connections indicative of a spiritual substratum. We are all atheists now, God doesn't exist, the Devil doesn't exist, there's a few larpers among the elites who might worship the Devil true but none of this is real. Go to bed. These connections aren't real.

>>17010281
All true. Cope harder christfag

This thread doesn't exist.

>>17010281
>anti christian
based. fuck jesus

>>17010281
>this is yout brain deepfried in youtube videos and "literally who"s garbageposting

>>17010303
>>17010293
Blasphemy! Satan's children are here to poison our minds with talmudic filth. The truth is staring at you in the face! Repent!

>>17009642
>i saw two guys holding hands today, this is the beginning of the end of the west

>>17009607
/lit/ - literature

>>17010337
pussy staring me in the face rn and imma eat it
jebus says you cant get pussy wtf that shit gay my guy i aint bout that shit.

>>17010355
Unironically this but a few decades ago.

>>17010218
kek lost it at the filename

>Unironically this but a few decades ago.

>>17010419

>>17010281
Jesus bro I'm sorry you've wasted so much time reasearchng da joos. Truth is, the capital elite of all races want an eternal underclass. Marxism would rob them of everything if the working class truly worked hard for it. Fascism would leave them in tact.

>>17009783
NOOO YOU CAN'T POINT TO THE FACT THAT MODERNIST/MASONIC DOCTRINAL ERRORS AND SABBATEAN FRANKIST/FRANKFURT SCHOOL POSITIONS COULD PRODUCE THE SAME MEANING. LET ALONE POINT TO THE FACT THAT THIS WAS PREDICTED PROPHETICALLY AHEAD OF TIME. THEY DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SPIRITUAL SUBSTRATUM, MOVEMENTS DONT HAVE COMMON SPIRITUAL SUBSTRATUMS, THEY'RE JUST ACCIDENTS, NOTHING OF THIS EXISTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Sabbatean Frankism/Walter Benjamin/Frankfurt School:
>Gershom Scholem once described Walter Benjamin as a theologian who wandered into the sphere of the profane and took all the hazards incipient in this bold maneuver. For Scholem, however, even these hazards were of theological nature: they belonged to the antinomian heritage of Jewish messianism, most of all the Sabbatean and Frankist movements which walked ‘a thin line between nihilism and religion’ in order to overthrow the rigid doctrine of the Law in the name of a ‘blessed life.’ Walter Benjamin remarked that he felt a close affinity with Jacob Frank.

Nouvelle Theologie:
>As a result of this new “awareness”, according to von Balthasar, the Church is called to a “deeper and more serious incarnation” through a razing of all the bastions which were once considered as her security against the world, and a consequent “descent into the world” and a coming into fellowship with all the aspirations of the world. This, of course, is the foundation of aggiornamento and the modern ecumenical movement. And this is certainly what Pius XII would consider an “imprudent zeal for souls.”

>>17009607
I remember in the 70's how communist groups would still agitate against mass-immigration as a tool to divide the White working class, to bad they stopped doing that, the left could have won the culture wars by embracing nationalism and populism, its not like most communist nations eventually didnt... instaid they caved in to the capitalist and their bourgeoisie concept of human rights and racism.

>>17010463
> the capital elite of all races want an eternal underclass.
Yes, but the elite jews want to be the head of that elite. Capitalism is a jewish invention after all. As is marxism by the way. Fascism is the only one that would deal with the core issue.

>>17010463
You are mistaken in thinking that I am researching "da joos". The Jews are not even at fault, it would be a mistake to apply guilt to them categorically. There are strands however who generate obviously satanically influenced ideologies such as that the Messiah will subdue all nations under their feet in a material /political sense, or clearly delusional and satanic viewpoints of Sabbatean Frankists. These people call themselves Jews but are not really Jews, certainly not in any real spiritual sense and Jesus aptly pointed this out. Besides this kind of errors of Jews is just one strand of various Satanic movements over the years which all have a common substratum that is impossible to miss if you actually research things beyond the superficial level of contemporary scholarship which spends more time focusing on superficial differences that the common substratum generated. That can be interesting but it's not going to help you much with the big picture-view, it's just one branch with a variety of twigs. Of course because modern scholarship is a priori atheist, it must always remain at this level, lest it discovers moral causes and other spiritual things. But that's ok, that's what we have. It is however a mistake to think that I'm focusing on "da jooz", masonic sects, communists, just pure hateful people with disordered lusts and hate for God and all antinomianism movements of this kind all spring from the same source. They don't have to be consciously aware of it or act in conspiracy together (even though they often do) because their action is informed by a spirit of Evil that itself coordinates their movements better than they ever could with their own intelligence.

>>17010500
Fascism is Satanic controlled opposition. The Devil has milked that phantasm fantastically by positing it against his inventions on the other end of the spectrum and in this conflict generated millions of deaths, famine and disaster.

>>17010500
Fascism(aka corporatism) is more Jewish than both.

>>17010489
identity politics are just ways to undermine class consciousness. the working class knows no race or nation

>>17010581
Most retarded take of the thread so far and that's saying something
>>17010578
You literally worship jews, lmao

>>17009823
Have you watched movies from the USRR, they're kino as fuck. I disagree.

>>17010565
Besides convincing the world that the Devil doesn't exist is the best chess move because then no obviously Evil things can be dismissed out of hand by simply pointing out that they are Evil. In an arena where there is no God in the conscious mind of the people, Devil doesn't cease to exist, he can run rampant against enfeebled men's minds by appealing to them on an infinite amount of interests that are superficially secular but carry the seeds of his destruction and enslavement within them. No man without God can actively fight against a timeless spirit of Evil that exists since the dawn of the universe. But as we gorge on these "secular" movements, "philosophies", "entertainment" and the like we think we are actually smart for denouncing the "superstition" of God while we often unknowingly dance to the Devil's notes. It doesn't matter whether Marx actually believed in Satan, his poems could be an intervention of the metaphysical Evil into the material reality. Not to single him out, or claim that every poetic fantasy is necessarily of this kind, but ultimately all analysis of history rests upon evidence and what we can conjecture based on this evidence. In cases like these, such as were enumerated in this thread, where things simply fit too closely, are connected to eachother and documented, have material and metaphysical implications, and are even prophetically predicted one would have to feign terminal incredulity not to see them or the whole picture which is shown by them. Sure you can reject one or the other angle in isolation, but it does take total incredulity and an almost superhuman level of skepticism to pretend the whole simply isn't there at all. I know this is hard to accept because we take now God's inexistance as an a priori necessity for all analysis, but to ignore the picture that is being painted after even agnostic research, one would need to discard it solely on the basis that God does not exist and therefore it has to be wrong because of our commitment to God or the Devil or Evil not existing. Ignoring it on the basis of evidence is simply not tenable, we must rather take our disbelief in God as the only possible recourse to whole reject it or ignore it in a "it's false because God does not exist" sense.

>>17010589
Truth is supposed to hurt bitch.
You simp for Neoliberalism of the dictator.

OH FUCK, I've hit the motherload that connects Frankism (basically Satanism) to pretty much all modern contemporary thought. 50+ pages in a scientific journal, study by an Israeli-based scholar. This is going to be interesting.

>>17010860
Modern Western culture/philosophy/politics = Sabbatean Frankism (Satanism)

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>>17011268
What you're staring at is...the final evidence of Sabbatean Frankism's connection to Frankfurt school and Jewish intellectuals and to the disintegration of Western morals and traditional institutions and the rise of the radical Left which has an essentially Sabbatean Frankist political program (Satanism basically). Communism and Marxism clearly drank from this well. And Frankism itself clearly drank from older Satanic heresies such as gnosticism, though it is rather special in its grotesque engagement with pure Evil.

Of course Sabbatean Frankism aligns very well with Freemasonry and the gnostic strands inherent in Enlightenment (self-deification of Man) too, so this is not purely a Jewish thing, just an unholy alliance of Satanic influence.

>Frank rejected religious norms, and said his followers were obligated to transgress as many moral boundaries as possible
>Frank claimed that "all laws and teachings will fall"[5] and – following antinomianism – asserted that the most important obligation of every person was the transgression of every boundary.[6]
>Frankism is associated with the Sabbateans of Turkey, a religious movement that identified the 17th-century Jewish rabbi Sabbatai Zevi as the Messiah.
>Especially after Zevi's death, a number of branches of Sabbateanism evolved, which disagreed among themselves over which aspects of traditional Judaism should be preserved and which discarded.[9] The more radical branches even engaged in sexual foreplay.[10] In Frankism, orgies featured prominently in ritual.
>. In traditional Sabbatean doctrine, Zevi – and often his followers – claimed to be able to liberate the sparks of holiness hidden within what seemed to be evil. According to Michaelson, Frank's theology asserted that the attempt to liberate the sparks of holiness was the problem, not the solution. Rather, Frank claimed that the "mixing" between holy and unholy was virtuous.
>Frank had a Gnostic philosophy wherein there was a "true God" whose existence was hidden by a "false God". This "true God" could allegedly only be revealed through a total destruction of the social and religious structures created by the "false God", thus leading to a thorough antinomianism. For Frank, the very distinction between good and evil is a product of a world governed by the "false God"

The West is being consumed by itself, you dimwit. Capitalism doesn't give a fuck about "muh western values".

>>17009883
Leave

>>17010860
>same assumption than "we want to be to the new world what greeks were to the romans" made by every identitarian politics
Anyway, that /Pol/pot is learning to read is something gratefull though

>>17011412
>REEEEEEEEE
Reactionaries can't even try. Go masturbate to blacked porn, you selfnegating fag

>>17011445
/pol/tard shit is always some hodgepodge of conspiracies and religious schizo ramblings

>>17011336
Spiritual (and sometimes biological) desencands of this obviously Satanic cult. This is how Evil manifests itself through the ages.

>>17011579
This is the final sum of my statement in the quoted post above, the proliferation of Satanic influence in the world along superficially different movements that all have a common substratum of Evil and this Evil most often promulgates itself through the ages by spiritual descendancy of its main human agents, often even biological descendancy. There's Sabbatean Frankism, there's Freemasonry and other masonic/kabbalistic mystery sects, Aleister Crowley, Rothschild, Frankfurt School, Marx, communism and so on. Today even technocratic transhumanist globalism. It is not my intention to say that all Evil originates in Frankism, far from it, this is just a genealogy of how Evil spreads like a virus. This does not in any way put a particular judgement on an individual person, as only God can judge in this way. What we can judge are ideologies and their fruits and certainly sometimes personal depravity does corroborate a manifestation of Evil. You will find this same mechanism in the Good and its agents. And this is the whole history of humanity that ultimately ends with the separation of wheat from chaff. It's hard to accept this given our modern sensibilities (that are ironically to some extent derived from our society which in turn has been informed in part by outright satanic cults) but this is pretty much what is at stake here.

but ruining things is based

>>17011736
I mean, Marx wanted to ruin a system where a man was basically forced to work 14 hours in a mine and be grateful for it. How can people honestly say that all communism is evil? ever heard of "unions", in America?

>>17011708
what do you make of Weil

>>17010355
Criminalize gay marriage
Criminalize no-fault divorce
Criminalize abortion
Criminalize birth control

Fill the jails with anyone who disobeys.

>>17010355
>same retards who say normalize things because they know it impacts human psyche thinks normalizing fags will not create a slippery slope

at this point, leftoids should not be argued they should be shot on sight

>>17011768
what do you make of the french and italian radical communist movements of the 60s that were against homosexuality, against divorce, against abortion and against birth control?

>>17011817
They sound pretty great to me and I would love to have met their leaders and shaken their hands.

Continental Marxism in general seems a fuckton better than Anglo-American Marxism. Much more actual class consciousness and much less faggy social justice bullshit.

>>17011394
so we agree that traditionalism is the only antithesis to globalism and capitalism? or you still think lefty rhetoric is the only way to destroy capital despite been hijacked by capital itself?

>Among those who appeal to the critical theory today some with full awareness degrade it to being a pure rationalization of their current enterprises. Others restrict themselves to shallow concepts which even verbally have become odd-sounding and make of it a leveling-down ideology which everyone understands because no thoughts at all pass through anyone's mind. Since its beginning, however, dialectical thought has meant the most advanced state of knowledge, and it is only from this, in the last analysis, that decisive action can come. Its representatives in times of setback have always been relatively few, something it has in common with philosophy. As long as thought has not won a definitive victory, it cannot feel secure in the shadow of power. But if its concepts, which sprang from social movements, today seen empty because no one stands behind them but its pursuing persecutors, yet the truth of them will out. For the thrust towards a rational society, which admittedly seems to exist today only in the realms of fantasy, is really innate in every man.
>t. Max Horkheimer, Postscript to Critical Theory

>>17011767
I have not read or researched Weil so I cannot pass any judgement on that. Besides, it's important not to make judgements about individuals being evil or good as that belongs to God alone (though we can obviously make a pronouncement such that Frank's DEEDS were in fact evil. Probability-wise he almost certainly was an Evil man outright, but to make an ultimate judgement on an individual would mean that we are making our judgement bigger than God's and our judgement bigger than God's Mercy on the Cross. Even the biggest most vile sinners can repent at any moment and be saved, because Christ's Sacrifice accounts for ANY sin IF we repent honestly and profoundly). I feel like /pol/'s tendency would be to take something like this and condemn even a guy like Adorno to burning in hell, which is an entirely wrong conclusion and one should not speculate about this too much as Salvation and Damnation are between God and the individual.

>>17010281
wake up babe, new schizopost

>>17011817
>yes so I'm a fag but you know abortion and divorce are bad because consumerism...what do you mean people who have the necessary means will have an abortion and the others will have to live with an unwanted child? what do you mean men in the south will kill their wives if they cheat on them...
he was a good man and definitely not depraved as other communists but to me he always looked like a reality-denier

>>17011890
When Isaiah Berlin claims Counter-Enlightenment is a precursor to Fascism and Nazism I suppose that's not schizo even though it's based on far more shakier grounds than anything that's been posted in here.

>>17012099
no one is destroying christianity, go to bed. its dying on its own. good living conditions will kill it. check correlation between living conditions and atheism, for example in sweden. i dont understand this victim complex of christcucks, they imagine evil power are out to get them. lol no, people just dont see anything in christianity, unless they live in shit conditions and have no purpose in their lives. weak ass beta faggot complex.

>>17012127
I'm not even Christian and even I can smell the grabbler energy behind this post. Conniving little fuckers. You have a slippery aura, coin counter.

>>17012127
>good living conditions
>sweden

I have some bad news bruh

>>17010293
>>17010303
>>17010331

I will break you.

>>17012127
The details are pretty gruesome and telling. Marxism and Communism are essentially Frankist movements, spiritually Frankist and influenced by Frankists.

Moses Hess was a Frankist.

>But unlike Scholem, Bloch viewed the Zionism of Moses Hess as deserving the fidelity of the modern Jewish messianist. Hess was “one of the first to apply Judaism, as he knew it from the works of the prophets, to the cause of the revolutionary proletariat.” His Zionism activated the “committed love,” the “revolutionary love which the prophets preached.”

>Hess contributed toward Marx's "Communist Manifesto" written in 1848 in particular the term "religion as the opium of the masses."

>“The Jews, in the natural history of the social animal world, had the world-historic mission to bring out the predator in mankind.”
-Moses Hess, “Uber das Geldwesen,” (“On the Nature of Money”), 1845.

>He was rather, a true supremacist—“an extreme Jewish racist” as professor Shahak put it. In his 1837 work, The Holy History of Mankind, “Hess advocated an occult, Talmudic two-tiered hierarchy of Adamic man (humans, i.e., “Jews”), contrasted with subhuman creatures, the Nephilim [Gentiles]. ‘This tradition,’ observes Hess, ‘leads toward a higher and clearer consciousness.’”[2]

Karl Marx's worship of violence was strengthened by a Frankist commu-
nist whom he met in 1841, when he was 23 years old. This man was called
Moritz Moses Hess. Moses Hess was born on the 21st of June 1812 in
Bonn, the son of a wealthy Jewish industrialist. He died on the 6th of
April 1875 in Paris and is buried in Israel. It can be mentioned that he
founded the German Social Democratic Party. In "Judisches Lexikon"
(Berlin, 1928, pp. 1577-78) he is called a communist rabbi and the father
of modern Socialism.
In 1841, he founded the newspaper Rheinische Zeitung and one year
later he made the 24 year-old Marx its editor. Theodor Zlocist published
an interesting book about him in 1921, "Moses Hess, der Vorkampfer des
Sozialismus und Zionismus".
Part of Moses Hess' terrifying world of ideas is disclosed in his book
"Rome and Jerusalem".
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Moses Hess quickly transformed young Marx into a freemason, a
socialist agitator and his minion. Marx was still no communist. He wrote
in Rheinische Zeitung, which he edited during the years 1842-43:
"Attempts by masses to carry out Communist ideas can be answered by a
cannon as soon as they have become dangerous..." He then believed these
ideas to be impracticable. Moses Hess essentially corrected all these
opinions. He became the grey eminence behind Marx, intensively guiding
and influencing his protege's work.

>>17012991
In Paris, in the autumn of 1844, Moses Hess presented the 26-year-old
Marx to the half-Jew Friedrich Engels, who was two years younger. This
meeting laid the foundations for their long collaboration. Engels had also
expressed Christian ideas in his youth: "I thirsted for a connection with
God. My religion was and is a peaceful and blessed world and I should be
pleased with it if it were to be with me also after my funeral. I have no
reason to suppose God should take it away from me. Religious persuasion
is a thing of the heart. I pray every day, indeed almost all day, for truth. I
seek the truth everywhere, even where I hope to find just a shadow of it.
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Tears are welling forth as I write this. I am moved through and through, but
I feel I will not be lost. I will come to God, for whom my whole soul longs."
(Marx and Engels, "From Early Works", Moscow, 1956, p. 306.)
But Engels fell, after he happened to meet Moses Hess in Cologne.
After this meeting Hess wrote: "He parted from me as an over-zealous
Communist. This is how I produce ravages..." (Moses Hess, "Selected
Works", Cologne, 1962.)
It was this same Moses Hess who thought up the rancorous basis of the
socialist-communist ideology. He was also the first to recommend, as a
fundamental idea, that all personal property should be abolished.
Alexander Volodin actually called Moses Hess a "philosopher" in his
book "Herzen" (Tallinn, 1972, p. 97).
What were his remarkable ideas then? In his writings, Moses Hess
stressed the need to agitate the social classes against each other and in this
way hinder their co-operation. He wanted to bring about a socialist
revolution with the help of Judaism, racism and the class struggle. He
strcssed that Socialism was inseparably bound to internationalism, as the
socialists have no fatherland. The true socialist cannot have anything to do
with his nationality. He also declared: this does not apply to Jews! Hess
believed that internationalism served the interests of Judaism. He wrote:
"Whoever denies Jewish nationalism is not only an apostate, a renegade in
the religious sense, but also a traitor to his people and to his family."
(Moses Hess, "Selected Works", Cologne, 1962.) The Bolshevik Rosa
Luxemburg was also simultaneously an internationalist and a great Jewish
patriot - she even ate exclusively kosher food.

>>17012999
In his "Red Catechism for the German People", Moses Hess revealed:
"The socialist revolution is my religion." He thought it suitable that this
brutal struggle for socialist power should be waged under the red family
banner of the Rothschilds. Moses Hess wrote to the Jewish socialist leader
Ferdinand Lasalle: "I use the sword against anyone who opposes the
struggle of the proletariat." (Moses Hess, "Correspondence", The Hague,
1959). What he actually meant was the struggle of the Judaists.
The radical agitator Hess was not an atheist, however. He wrote: "I
have always been edified by Hebrew prayers." (Moses Hess, "Rome and
Jerusalem", 1860.)
Hess also explained that Judaism was to pass into a godless socialist,
revolutionary ideology. He stressed that the Jews had been given the role
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of changing mankind into a savage animal, as described in his article
"About the Monetary System". ("Rheinische Jahrbucher", Vol. 1, 1845.)
Later, Marx and Engels stated quite openly that many of Hess' ideas
deserved a wide recognition.

The sad fact is that historical "scholarship" makes no effort to discover biographies, personal motivations, connections or any kind of an attempt to try to ground modern movements in what actually motivated their main leaders and by whom they were influenced by.

They only view pure theory removed from any practice, biography, motivations, influences or anything of the like, precisely in this sense:
>>17009642
>>17009792

Modern academic instiutions produce generations of enfeebled western minds who cannot grasp what is going on in the world politically or historically (let alone spiritually) and only lose themselves in theoretical distinctions between marginal offshoots of various -isms, being quite happy to identify themselves as femminst marxists or orthodox communists or Maoists, not realizing that they're being taken for a fool in the process. That their "study" will never reach any sort of Truth and that the Devil is quite happy to make them spend their time promulgating such empty theoretical circularity, in fact they might even get rewarded with an academic post to further enfeeble the minds of the next generation. Should we bring the Truth to Light, that would be the end of this, Good and Evil would be exposed as the obvious fact they actually are, we'd have to shun our relativism and point our fingers claiming "This is Evil!" or "This is Good!" and therefore the Devil just cannot afford this.

not reading all that shit lmaoo

>>17013086
same bro lmaooooo

>>17013086
>>17013126
same lmao

>>17013086
ditto

>>17009642
All very true.

>>17013067
take your meds

>>17013086
>>17013844
its at least becoming clear that nobody reads on this board

They switched from class issues to race disparities since they came to understand their true ideology.

>>17009607
>stop being based
never have been
>>17010674
>cherrypicked movies from the ussr means leftism is kino

>>17009642
BASED BASED BASED!

Leftism doesn't work.

>>17014476
Capitalism doesn’t work.