/lit/ - Literature

why aren't Thomas Pynchon and infinite jest talken about appart for some american niche teenagers on youtube?
I have the impressión is that they're the:
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>>17000882
>Evan dara
List disregarded

>>17000882
based

>>17000941
>talken about appart

>>17001057
>talken about apprt

>>17000882
>>>/r/TrueLit

>>17000882
Your insecurity is showing, burger. Now show everyone your "Great American Novel".

>>17000882
A bunch of literally-who's except for Melville and James, can't make this shit up

>2 threads
You're trying too hard, honey.

>>17001241
If you don't read they are literal whos

>>17001287
The world doesn't revolve around your shitty american authors, mate

>>17000882
As an american, u make us look bad
We have melville and transcendentalists, and pynchon. One could argue hemmingway but most regard his work as below masterpieces at best. Besides that theres not much

>>17001390
Don't be so hard on your countrymen. I love Steinbeck and James

>>17001390
Right. Disregard Faulkner, Dos Passos, Fitzgerald, Hawkes, Gaddis, Gass, Barth, Delillo, Roth, Updike, Plath, Pound, Eliot, Ellison, Morrison, Vollmann, Wallace, Powers, Franzen, etc. and then you realize there really aren't any good American writers :/

>>17000882
>Henry James
Brainlet detected

>>17001481
Henry James is big brain

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>american authors
This pretty much sums up the state of american "literature", it can't afford being scrutinized, at all

>>17001390
Pynchon isn't even the best living American writer let alone of all time.

>>17003085
who is

>>17003180
Corncob. Pynchy boy hasn't been relevant since the 70s.

>>17001469
There are like 2 writers of worth in there.
>Gaddis, Gass, Roth, Franzen, Barth, Hawkes
Nobody loses nothing by ignoring these hacks.

>>17001809
It's not because I dislike James, it's because he's more English than American.

>>17000882
The expansion sets keep making the image worse. Now we have Evan “The Literally Who?” Dara, and some random anon’s contrarian picks for best Mailer/Roth novels. Meanwhile Hawthorne, Thomas Wolfe, Nathanael West, Emerson, Poe, London, Twain, Anderson don’t get a mention. Some good additions on the poetry side, and Invisible Man and Flannery O’Connor were overdue, but the person making these images is lending too much credence to their own tastes

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>>17003213
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what

>>17001000
filtered also checked

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>>17004104
Trips can't be filtered.

>>17000882
cuz nabokov was born in vermont, yea?

>>17001469
>Roth

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>>17003314
In what world is Sabbath's Theater a "contrarian pick" for Philip Roth's best novel?

>>17007175
The real world, anon. It's time to wake up

>>17000882
These works are almost unknown outside America

>>17008327
What are some good novels from your country that are known/respected internationally

>>17008384
That gets them every time. Most countries can’t even name one or two. Sometimes they can only name people who lived centuries ago, like Iran. It’s truly shameful and embarrassing.

>>17006358
I agree, he left Russia in his twenties, didn’t emigrate to the US until middle age, and then moved to Switzerland after living here for about 20 years. If I was to move from my country in my twenties, my home country would be ingrained in me deeply. Just cause he wrote very well in English, and lived in the US for some time doesn’t make him at all American.

This all becomes obvious if you read Speak, Memory

>Moby Dick
Yep
>The Golden Bowl
James needs to be on there and this is a fine enough representative I suppose
>The Recognitions
Yep
>Ada
A bit contrarian not picking Lolita but I'm fine with this. Assuming we're sticking to one per author, otherwise Pale Fire (and JR, above) would also deserve inclusion
>Dickinson
>Crane
>Bishop
>HD
>Moore
>Brooks
Yep
>Zukovsky
Haven't read
>The Sound And The Fury
Yep, but AILD and Absalom deserve inclusion too
>M&D
GR is probably a better pick but ok
>The Tunnel
And Omensetter's
>Lookout Cartridge
Haven't read this, I remember the old chart having Women And Men on it. Will trust McElroy fans on this one
>Stevens
>Whitman
>Ashbery
>Sexton
>Plath
Yep. Haven't read Hecht or Koch
>The USA Trilogy
>Tennessee Williams
Yep
>The Lost Scrapbook
Lol, how many people have actually read this. What happened to Miss MacIntosh?
>The Cannibal
I preferred The Lime Twig inclusion but not a big deal, both are good
>Blood Meridian
Yep
>Ancient Evenings
I haven't read this. Why was this selected
>The Public Burning
Yep
>Merrill
>O'Hara
Yep. Haven't read Wilbur or Merwin
>The Making Of Americans
>Katherine Anne Porter
>Flannery O'Connor
>Housekeeping
>The House Of Mirth
Yep
>Darconville's Cat
>Little, Big
Haven't read
>Paterson
>ee cummings
>Frost
>Eliot
Yep. Assuming that Eliot counts
>Sabbath's Theater
Would probably go with Portnoy's but I haven't read enough of his novels to say
>Song Of Solomon
>Invisible Man
>Jesus' Son
Yep
>Lincoln
>A Sport And A Pastime
Haven't read
>East Of Eden
Sure, I would choose Grapes though.
>Carver
>Libra
>Hughes
>Pound
Yep. Could be White Noise too though, or the Library Of America Collected Pound

Could be worse, lots of good ones overall. What's missing?

>>17003224
>nobody loses nothing
An accidental double negative that made your statement true, anon ;)

>>17008703
ESL.
You should know better while using the term "Double negative"

>>17008714
He used it correctly, though.

>>17008303
Harold Bloom and James Wood both said it was Roth's masterwork.

>>17008327
Maybe if you don’t read at all or aren’t interested in literature made beyond the borders of your own country.

>>17008739
You don't have to refer to yourself as he anon.

>>17008760
Then it must be. Wood and Bloom hate each other's guts and each other's works even more.

>>17008782
My point is that the post pointing out the double negative never didn’t not use the term in an incorrect way.

>>17008796
>Nobody loses nothing by ignoring these hacks
He said that the double negative makes this statement equivalent to "everybody loses something by ignoring these hacks", which it doesn't. The double negative is for emphasis not semantic somersaults.

>>17008831
That may apply to some dialects and nothing else. In a discussion about the correctness of language, there’s nothing wrong with criticizing its use.

>>17000882
By reading William Morris all day and realising how much better anglit is

>>17008896
But its of no use here and it certainly was not his intent here anyway.

>>17000882
More like this?