/lit/ - Literature

>>16999888
based, your dad is an enlightened guru

Tell us more about your Dad

Proto new-age cult leader. Liked to LARP as a wizard while taking exorbitant amounts of money from his cucked followers while sleeping with the female ones, etc. The usual stuff.

Coolest thing I heard about him was that he had a couple of car wrecks. He handled them manfully.

>>16999999
cool digits OP has to read him now

>>16999964
He's pretty dull, mostly works and dozes off on his pc. When he was younger he would read a lot. I think he attends some sorts of meetings once a week that may be related to this guy. They are online now due to covid

Always wanted to read him, I like his piano music and I like the writings of his pal Ouspensky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rasho1zv-co

>>16999999
>>16999888
some digits

>>17000041
>He's pretty dull, mostly works and dozes off on his pc. When he was younger he would read a lot.
Just like me.

>>17000080
>Always wanted to read him, I like his piano music and I like the writings of his pal Ouspensky.
Imagine being like this hahahahah

>>17000175
liking things?

>>17000082
what about these digits >>17000000

From what I read about him he seems to pretend to be an enlightened swami to fuck French chicks.

>>17000175
What are you on about dude

>>16999888
A cult leader.
One of his ideas was that people are "automatons", and in order for them to create an eternal soul, they have to increase their awareness of themselves, which can be trained in part through some of the mindfulness exercises. When they are self-aware, they can start building the soul.
This is also the reason why with Gurdjieff groups, there is an inner circle. The groups are based on levels of sorts. You can be an unaware automaton, or you can be an aware individual of a certain level.

I don't like Gurdjieff much, but I often subconsciously judge people based on how I think their awareness of themselves is.
If I judge someone to be totally unaware of themselves, I see them as nothing higher than an ape, and apes can be dangerous, so there's nothing wrong with killing them.

>>16999888
huh I thought this was Marinetti which would have been a lot better

his ideas such as the realization everyone interprets individual words differently, which alters their reactions to phrases, are important. He is exceptionally hard to read in my opinion. Very technical and such. His idea that people should talk in terms of probability instead of certitudes has been so important to have really effected modern times. Yet he writes it very scientifically and technical so it's rough. Start with Manhood Of Humanity then Science And Sanity

>>16999981
Ouspensky, who was critical of Gurdjieff in some respects, nonetheless reported that the money he collected from his students was not exorbitant and people who couldn't pay were not turned away from studying/working with him. And often it wasn't enough to run his groups on and he had to use his family's money (I guess he came from a wealthy family).

Also he never claimed to be a "godman" or avatar or anything like that. His big claim was simply that he had been exposed to teachings otherwise lost in the Western world. So him sleeping with students would be about the same as like, a college professor. Unethical, I suppose but all too human.

>>17001903
Except Ouspensky died a depressed alcoholic and claiming that one has to turn away from Gurdjieff's "system". There are also multiple reports of Gurdjieff outright bullying people during sessions, which is what cult leaders generally do.

>>17001539
Is self-understanding equivalent to narrativizing according to some formula in your mind

>>17001941
In his view, it's some form of extreme bodily self-awareness. Something like being able to literally feel the blood run through your veins.
Then also the ability to look at yourself without judgement.

Of course he didn't develop these ideas further because it's much easier to bully people without ever giving them clear instructions or an idea of what is going on.

>>17001903
>people who couldn't pay were not turned away
BS. Gurdjieff literally said that you have to have something at stake and that others have to pay him for his time.

>>16999981
>while sleeping with the female ones
What are you basing this on?

>>17001941
His critics seem to think he was telling people to dissociate through mindfulness exercises, but really he was telling people to observe how they act differently throughout the day, how there is not one continuous experience, but discreet moments where your whole modality changes according to what's going on.

He said people had an essence and a personality. The personality is mutable and changes constantly (to a certain degree, not like actual MPD), and so observing those changes, and what doesn't change, leads to an understanding of what is your essence and what is just the external personality that bends wherever the wind blows.

Unifying the two, though. Yes, that I think is where Gurdjieff doesn't really say what to do and his method was just working you hard, doing dervish stuff until something in you clicked. This is perhaps where Esoteric Christianity can help more than the Fourth Way, as Christ gives us an example of pure essence, a unified existence -- no flimsy "personality" built and conditioned by society and the environment.

>>17001976
True! Gurdjieff thought it was vdry important to be compensated because he found people do really not care about or commit themselves to things that are given freely with no conditions. IDK, Ouspensky just said, "but later I learned people who couldn't pay money were not turned away," like in one throwaway sentence, in In Search of the Miraculous. He doesn't explain the situation very much.

>>17002087
The historical Christ has been obliterated by the weight placed on him by history.

>>17001903
What you've just said is plain untrue. Pic related.
>>17002059
Gurdjieff himself was quite open about it and many of his personal disciples have attested to his licentious behaviour.

>>17002087
>His critics seem to think he was telling people to dissociate through mindfulness exercises
They're right. Ouspensky is a sad example of this, too.

> but really he was telling people to observe how they act differently throughout the day
Blah blah blah.
He was a cult leader who never clearly explained anything. Everything was coated in so much esotericism that you could apply any definition to it, and then he bullied people because he created a language of his own that no one could understand.

The rest of your post is the same esoteric drivel minus the bullying, which is why it the ideas don't get much attention.

>>16999888
Is that cheech marin in blackface?

>>17001675
I dunno, I wouldn't want my dad to start serving me gunpowder on cashew puree crostini in his bathrobe.

>>17002145
From the very same book:
>Many people indeed could not pay. And although in principle G. put the question very strictly, in practice he never refused anybody on the grounds that they had no money. And it was found out later that he even supported many of his pupils. The people who paid a thousand roubles paid not only for themselves but for others.

>>17001941

OP here.
Does any one of you have any guess as to what weekly meetings related to Gurdjieff would entail nowadays? Could it be various meditative exercises or something more experimental and cultish?

>>17003093
>>17003093
They’re just boomers trying to do a diluted version of Gurdjieff, with “self-remembering” and “self-observation” exercises and the fight against negative emotions, talking about their successes and struggles with it, etc. Basically self-help/Buddhist meditation group with a veneer of Gurdjieffianity over it. It’s not like he’s a Scientologist, he could be a member of a worse cult.

Gurdjieff himself = based. However, he unfortunately failed to properly create a lineage of teachers/foundations that would really have the transformative impact on Western civilization that he wanted to have. He was nobly trying to inject long-forgotten esoteric teachings into the West but unfortunately it all floundered.

>>17003093
How bout you go and report back to us

>>16999999
Holy based sixth's.

>>16999888
Your dad sounds based.

>>16999888
I borrowed Lucifer's tales from one of those witchy bpd girls but I only got half way through before she freaked out and demanded it back.