/lit/ - Literature

>>16987809
All of our diaries desu

>>16987809
also endless distractions for those of us who are especially dopamine-driven.

>>16987809
Yeah everybody I know that is my age has some mental illness. It is just silly at this point. And it is always as if it is some secret that they are letting you in on that makes them special. Every single friend I have, everyone I’ve talked to consistently, every chick, after a while like clockwork lets me in on how tragic their life is because of some buzzword they identify with.

>>16987809
Space exploration will fix all of this. we need adventure.

>>16987809
Private Citizens

>>16987809
The ideology behind the economy has veered directly into the direction of cutting all labor costs as harshly as possible in order to lower end costs of products. This results in tons of cheap commodities, and fewer and fewer good jobs. In turn, this transforms the culture into one focused on short term profits and efficiency, instead of stable, family oriented, community. This turns sons and daughters into drones, not citizens or future heads of their own stable households.

In short, the end point of our current mode of capitalism is to undermine the very things that create healthy families and happy people.

>>16988180
It’ll be robots

>>16987833
good post

>>16988231
Japan is a pretty good model, automation to support the people and drastically curtail immigration. Although their young people are also undergoing what seems to be a "meaning void" resulting in the destabilization of family units so who knows?

I agree with you, Anon. I, too, see a sad cynicism in the eyes of young people. Fisher's Capitalist Realism addresses the link between phases in the capitalist business-cycle and mental-health issues: depression and mental-illness during economic depressions, and manic optimism during financial bubbles.

>>16988180
>>16988231
Please take low-information takes elsewhere, I was hoping for a cool thread with interesting insights not babies first thought.

>>16988229
Turning the world into worker units, atomized individuals in an economics example rather than people with connection, genes, religion and values.
Engaging in some form of Autarky, having an elite class with actual ties to the people they are ruling and skin in the game instead of a global financial elite and planning societies/nations/peoples for the future in a real longterm sense is essential to solving this malaise.

>>16988275
Japan is doing well on many accounts. The population problem can probably just be endured, but I am not sure they are in a position to do this successfully. Once an aging population dies out your young are no longer spending so much effort/time on older generations, especially in tax dollars, also land is much cheaper which means starting a family is far easier (as well as everything in your life being more affordable since most of people's income is spent on living arrangements). If to many people drop out of society it might be hard to ween them back in. Furthermore, the depraved sexuality and lack of religion are massive issues that could continue damaging their society/long term viability if not addressed

>>16988310
>interesting insights
you mean overcomplicated nonsense that will never come to fruition.

>>16988310
lookup Occam's razor smarty pants, you might learn something.

>>16987809
Zoomer here, don't know about others, but I definitely want to die and I can't see a future for myself. I've given myself until 25 to make something. If I can't create anything meaningful in my life I plan on necking myself. I still have hope, obviously, otherwise I would've done it a while ago.
>inb4 get help
It costs money that I don't have.

>>16989105
I'm in the same boat. The world's probably going to end soon anyways. May as well stick it out and see how it all ends

let's just say hard times are about to make some strong men

>>16988328
I have a dubious view of the role religion has to play in society. It has historically been the refuge of communal spirit, however I think it becomes less effective the more educated a population is (not meant to be disparaging, just an observation). I'm not sure what will or can fill this void, although I think there are paths of secularism which hold promise.

>>16989227
Is that intrinsically to do with education, or an artifact of the modern educational systems?

>>16989105
>tfw 24

>>16989302
I think it has to do with the concept of dogma. Historically, any dogma about observable reality has been rooted in the understanding of the day. When understanding advances, the dogma is challenged. I think this is why there is such a rise in non-denomination religion or generalized "spirituality".

>>16989227
I don't think this was the case until scientific discoveries began to contradict scripture. We need a new replacment for religion. This can come in the form of political ideologies. Right now, progressivism is the ascendant religion. Ideally, it should be nationalism, some sort of secular return to our pagan roots.

>>16987809
I've done fine for myself at 32. I fucked around and made stupid choices through most of my 20s but then got my act together very quickly. I now have a wife, house, 2 cars, one baby, plans to work on a second, and my wife and I make $200K between the two of us. No debt.

However, now that we're at this place, we're constantly amazed to find that we're somewhat alone there. Very few people our age are at the same place in terms of finances, kids, and certainly not both at the same time.

What I always think about is how our children are going to have minimal competition for good schools and jobs. There don't seem to BE any other kids to compete with. And the ones that are around are going to be trannies.

>>16987809
I went through an intense waifu phase in my teens and I used to kiss this picture goodnight.

>>16989318
I agree, unfortunately when an ideology ascends to the place of religion, it's more extreme attributes become more common which tends to lead to bad outcomes. A healthy balance of nationalism/patriotism with an emphasis on virtue and individual freedom seems ideal. Unfortunately this tends to end up being a "individualism" vs "collectivism" problem where something like capitalism is erected as a stand in for individualism and communism for collectivism. In reality, individuals can obtain too much power (like a monopoly in a market place) and tyrannize the general public, and conversely, a too centralized community authority can also become tyrannical. I'm not sure if any human society is able to walk the line between these two extremes without some kind of massive unrest and upheaval occurring every so often

>>16987809

>>16989362
Wait, are pesticides making us depressed and infertile? This is a new one but I could totally see it.

>>16989341
You're going to eventually move into a nicer neighborhood (because good schools don't exist where there isn't families to send their kids to them) and you will certainly get caught up in the tiger parent rat race of extra curriculars, private tutoring, SAT prep, internship applications. It's a bitter and soulless competition.

-t. Person who helps kids get into fancy private schools

>>16989375
I suspect glyphosate is behind why there’s so much autism/bipolar disorder/suicidal tendencies, yes.

Japanese, Koreans and a lot of Europeans are feeling it too. A general depression and awareness of this cage of modernity and its shallowness. I don’t blame Miyazaki one bit for foul moods

>>16989412
*his foul moods

>>16989398
Are there certain foods, products, or areas we should avoid or is it so widespread that we can't do anything about it?

>>16989341
That sounds nice. Have more than just two, anon. Our people need to grow (assuming you and your wife are white). The future belongs to those who show up.

>>16987809
Who is the girl?

>>16989412
Does anybody know how the Chinese handling it? If this stuff is impacting them in a very negative way too, I will sleep better at night. Right now, it sounds like their government actually wants their people to dominate the world instead of just caring about gdp growth and all of the woke bullshit the west is obsessed with. Part of me hopes they don't fall prey to the same vices that we do but another part of me would be more comfortable knowing that they are just as fucked because this would give us a better chance at bouncing back in time to ensure the west remains dominant.

>>16989427
They own most of the factory farms and supply the rest with their seeds and chemicals. Corn is also in every fucking thing. I believe Europe has banned it (or perhaps just “genetically modified foods” which in themselves aren’t so bad, it why they’re GMed) and small farms that let the soil alone.
I think the biggest danger is the damage to the fetus while the mother eats their shit.

>>16989461
/gif/ is always having a thread to ridicule them and show their suicide videos. They’re becoming wealthy and the women aren’t as interested in settling down. They seem to have a whole other set of issues, but existential dread just the same.

>>16989461
Also, fuck this dominant dick wagging bullshit attitude. This is a major reason why we’re in this mess. Adjust yourself.

>>16989506
I worry China is going to engineer superhuman Asians and conquer the world. I know it's crazy and unlikely but I genuinely worry about this. That's why I am concerned about their rise. I like how their government works a lot and would like for the US to be more like them but I do not want them to become more powerful or start modifying themselves.

>>16989515
I don’t want them to be dominant either, but so far they’re behaving like China has always behaved, mostly insular. Capitalism demands expansion and they’re doing it most benevolently for Africa and Eurasia. They don’t want to replace the US in the business of carpet bombing people into the stone age.
I still doubt the tankie model. Did you see that giant strike in India recently? It was like 3/4th of the population of the US coming out to strike

>>16989539
I did not see that but that's awesome. It's always nice to see workers standing up for themselves. I also agree that China's imperialism in Africa seems to be benevolent. Things could change in the future but I hope they do not set out to conquer the world and then exterminate us as revenge for the century of humiliation. I swear I have nightmares about the Yellow Peril every other night.

>>16989604

>>16989439
I’m the son of Indian immigrants, sorry anon.

>>16989398
Gelatin/collagen/glycine to combat the glyphosate

>>16989675
Well, I still wish you the best. I hope you choose to return to India someday but even if you don't, I want you to be happy.

>>16989708
He's lying. I'm the poster you replied to. However, my wife is Azn.

>>16989739
I hope you're lying too but whatever, I still want you to be happy even though the Asian wife thing is extremely cringe. WIsh you two the best. I hope you and your family eventually voluntarily leave.

>>16989461
>Right now, it sounds like their government actually wants their people to dominate the world instead of just caring about gdp growth
if only you knew had bad things really are lmfao

>>16987809
Who is the girl

>>16989908
Rooney Mara

>>16990330
>>16989908
A-ha

>>16989785
What u mean

>>16989647
based alpha centauri poster

what will reading capitalist realism do to me bros?

>>16987809
Fuck Boomers. They offloaded all the debt they racked up on future generations so they could live like kings for the last 20-30 years of their lives.

>>16987809
All of Nagata Kabi's work, though it's mainly focused on deep, Japanese loneliness. The second volume of My Solo Exchange Diary is particularly disturbing.

>>16989227>>16989302
>>16989318

>It has historically been the refuge of communal spirit, however I think it becomes less effective the more educated a population is (not meant to be disparaging, just an observation). I
nah atheists have turned their human rights dogmas into a religion, but it's jsut hedonism coated in wishful thinking, so their ceremonies ans symbols are jsut concerts, watching movies and quoting them

>>16987809
unironically infinite jest

Aren't children told in these times of Greta, Corona and finance capitalism that when they grow up nature will be fucked up, the military and economic conflicts about resources like water, oil and metals will be even worse than today, something worse than Corona is likely to come, the gap between rich and poor is ever growing, only rich elite families will have a decent standard of living and that basically intense media consumption from a young age on will cause serious developmental issues? Yeah, I'd be depressed too.

>>16989105
I just hope we get some large scale conflict or something, killing myself sounds too gay although I dont have much love for life
t.22

>>16991281

>>16989461
Chinks are a soulless kind worshiping money and status above all else. They have extremely materialistic view of reality and are devoid of any higher emotions like love. They don't dread existence like we do because for them it is a never ending rat race and the enjoy it. And that's why they will rule the world.

>>16989105
It's going to be alright, brother.

>>16991281
yeah why be honest. give em some bullshit about jesus instead

>>16991501
I think at this point I'd rather be indoctrinated and deluded

>>16991520
never gonna make it

>>16991436
Chinks have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. You know that right? Every chink I interacted with is a sad depressed materialistic husk of some machine

>>16991530
I certainly hope not

>>16989771
Yo nigga that foo was lyin to yo face namean I'm a big black nubian bvll and my bitch she a white devil but we good, we good.

>>16991112
Cool, I didn't realise she had written anything other than Lesbian Experience. Thank you for this.

>>16988275
Capitalism REQUIRES immigration, the ~650 or so billionaire capitalist that run the US push hard to keep borders open, that’s their global labor supply

International capitalism coupled with the fact whites aged 18 and younger are infact a minority both contribute to the cultural decline despite the economic growth

>>16989315
But spirituality has no benefits. At best you get people thinking "everything will be ok", which is counter-evolutionary. You don't get the group cohesion, aversion to the degenerate, or patriarchal impetus that make groups successful.

>>16991857
And it’s not enough to have global access to labor, it needs to be mobile to be of any use, displacement via war or poverty are prime movers

>>16989539
>>16989604
>China’s imperialism in Africa seems to be benevolent
You are naive as hell.

>>16988275
bro japan literally invented the concept of NEETs

>>16989341
>minimal competition for schools and jobs
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>16993273
Any books / articles on this issue?

>>16989496
>I believe Europe has banned it (or perhaps just “genetically modified foods” which in themselves aren’t so bad, it why they’re GMed)
they import a lot of food from Brazil and other South American countries which are all genetically modified and full of pesticides.
The meat they buy are all from cattle, pigs, etc. that were fed genetically modified rations.

>>16988362
"Robots will explore space" has nothing to do with Occam's razor

>>16994119
What was the question asked in the OP? What answer is simpler, explore space, or the retard shit you wrote about reshaping global economic and societal structure? Bro are you that fucking dense?

escapism worked very well for me, until recently.
I just want to forget about all, lads.

>>16994252
Same anon. On the other side, I got to know a pretty good bunch of anime and books, so there is that.

>>16994252
Escapism is a bad long term, but thats obvious

>>16988275
Japan is the epitome of youth demoralization. Just look at the suicide rate among the young, it's scary.

>>16991520
>Literally preferring the blue pill
Oh boy

>>16991143
"Human rights dogmas"? Do I dare to ask what you mean by this?

>>16994513
Yes. Please give it to me.

>>16989165
THIS. And the few that make it will joy forget how this came about and will make sure this NEVER happened again.

>>16994518
he's saying that the notions written in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are taken as dogmatic, gospellike

I question the sentience of people too young to remember 9/11 or born after it. Simple as

>>16991281
We're living in a pretty metal timeline. The earth is literally going to die according to the prophets. Probably won't end up charming and whimsical like the Jack Vance version though.

>>16989318
Please take down this VERY anti Semitic post.

>>16994556
This is like saying 2 + 2 = 4 is taken as gospellike in math. Do you have a fundamental disagreement with human rights as conceived of currently? Is there a flaw in the reasoning which produced them?

>>16987809
Magical realism helps.

>>16988180
Nonsense. For a regular working-class citizen, there will be no adventure. Only propaganda about it. Glad you mentioned this absolutely ridiculous idea though. I'll continue reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep today.

>>16988229
Pretty much, yes.

>>16988275
Automation never supports the people. It only supports large corporations.

>>16988328
Simply wrong.
Japan so far has no solution to the aging problem.

>>16989461
What the fuck do you mean by "wants their people to dominate"? It's all about the elite, not about the pleb.

>>16991281
They're told much worse things than that.
They are constantly lied to about the career, which the majority of people will never have, and they are led to, instead of developing themselves, to look for substitutes.

>>16994677
I'm not the anon who was saying human rights are taken as religion (>>16991143
), I was just answering your question:
>"Human rights dogmas"? Do I dare to ask what you mean by this?

>>16989341
Nice job brother. I firmly believe if more people can see what you have they would make better choices. Have 5 kids and enjoy every minute of it. I love you and good luck

>>16987809
>The lack of decent-paying secure work
STEM?

>>16988180
Manned space exploration will never happen.

>>16989105
i had this exact same plan since like age 16 and i turned 25 two months ago. i didn't go through with it obviously but i was still very close. i became worried i'd actually do it. still haven't 'made it' in any aspect of my life. not that you won't make it. but its not a good idea to tell yourself this for years. trust me. the VAST majority of people, even the greatest of us, don't make it that young. it takes time to get on your feet. especially under current conditions. i think a lot of this thinking stems from lack of self esteem. you want to prove something to everyone by doing amazing things whilst still young. by all means if you put in the work now you can make it by that age. but it is extremely painful and difficult. i was close to making it several times. i even had several hundred thousand dollars worth of bitcoin at one point but i ended up losing it (long story). im past my self imposed expiration date but i'm still hopeful i'll make it eventually.

>>16991857
>Capitalism REQUIRES immigration
Capitalism requires bodies, i.e. children, which the people of most nations aren't delivering. That's fixable by instituting mandatory childbearing laws.

>>16994722
in fact your brain isn't even fully developed until 25 at least. particularly the prefrontal cortex, the part that deals with impulsive behavior and rational thought. its like playing the game on expert mode and in most cases playing without any tutorial.

>>16994534
Based. Peering beyond the veil is a fool's errand, pure Lovecraft.

>>16989506
I agree. We need to be powerful enough to protect ourselves from Globalist and foreign invasion and that is all. Ruling the world is for spiritless Jews and Chinese. Let them have that burden and reap the consequences.

>>16989515
I worry about this too lol. Jews and Chinese want to “win” at all costs. They don’t care if they become monsters in the process or destroy the whole planet as long as they were the dominate group before Nature destroyed us all.

>>16991063
They sold out their entire civilization. No group of people has betrayed their own like the boomers

>24
>Realize I grew up on a cloistered community
>Be bushy tailed liberal, want to meet different type of people "you don't know what you don't know"
>Meet mutuals from a different background, join their server
>Everything is going well. Someone mentioned I used to be racist
>Get kicked without notice
>Find out months later the owner immediately read every comment I've ever made on my account, shit from months ago is vaguely racist. Permanently banned with no notice, they didn't even talk to me about it
>Only have white friends now, get told I'm racist for not having more diverse friends
Green up watching sesame street and just want to get along with everyone, but apparently that's too much to ask for

>>16987809
Millennials are like 30

>>16991063
Not even living like kings. Just vegging out in front of netflix or fox news and buying chintzy collectibles their kids will immediately sell after they die

>>16994513
At some point you gotta realise that Cypher had a point. It may be better to live in ignorant bliss

>>16994119
There is zero reason to send people there.

>>16987809
Personally, I believe that the Rousseauian experiment we've been living in for the past few hundred years is reaching its end, and if we see it though, it's doomed to fail. We have to go back to what worked for thousands of years, but modernize it to clean up the mess we're currently in.

>>16994835
>server
it was your own fault the whole time

check out The Pussy by Delicious Tacos
it's basically just his diary but he's a good writer

>>16991520
Brother once you realize how bad it is and accept this you can begin the adventure of a thousand life times. I realized all this a year and a half ago. It cured my lifelong depression in the matter of a week. It was hard at first but I got a job then a much better one, after being a neet for 6 years, lost 35 lb, cleaned my room and apartment, started Airbnb’ing my living room for extra cash (all going to savings), paid off all my Jewish debt, started reading books instead of internet posts, started socializing again and speaking up for myself / saying what I think (in a savvy why, took practice). You may or may not believe any of this buts it’s all true. YOU can do this too. It felt insurmountable at one point as I was basically addicted to comfort seeking and escapism. But then I realized how much the elites hate me and why and why they will go to any lengths to make sure I am atomized and resource drained. I also realize that most people are essentially Globohomo atomized zombies, like myself, who think the NYT are the good guys, that racism is the defining fight of our era, that white men are inherently evil, that George Soros wants people to be free etc etc. Once I realized that the opposite of all these things are what’s true and accepted Clown World for the horrors and needless suffering that it is I felt very alone but then realized that I felt just as alone before I realized these things. Now I am free. I wake up at around 6:45 without an alarm when I used to sleep to noon, for years! Accepting my reality was life changing. I don’t fear what I think I must do and just do it now. Everything took practice and work but I was suddenly willing to do these things. I’m above average intelligence and sensitive. Other than that I am totally average. I swear to you brother that you can thrive under these conditions as soon as you stop lying to yourself. Good luck brother, I love you

>>16994835
That’s what you get for being white lol. Now please die

>>16994835
>expecting random people to not be dicks on the internet
>somehow deducing you should only have white friends
Sounds like you were just not very smart tb/H.

>>16994890
>posts a piece of italian futurist art
>we have to go back
what did you mean by this

>>16987809
nope, no such books. truth will shake the foundation of society, civilization, mental prison planet.

>>16994890
I wish I had your optimism. I predict the next 3-5 decades have all sorts of unspeakable horrors of modernity in store for us (those who haven't roped or Forest Anon'd yet).

>>16994876
If you are a spineless coward content to be a sheep under the ownership of others

>>16988153
Everyone's suicidal, for most it isn't fatal

>>16989416
>not adding Trip by Tao Lin

>>16989315
>I think this is why there is such a rise in non-denomination religion or generalized "spirituality".
I don't understand. Isn't spirituality just as contentious with our greater understanding of observable reality?

/thread

>>16993273
Their brand of neocolonialism is manifest and evident. They want to help build infrastructure and leave their politics alone. The US foreign policy of smash and grab is beyond naive, it’s absurdly dangerous. But nothing is ever static.

>>16994109
That’s what I was afraid of

>>16997268
People's subjective experience of consciousness lends a "feeling" of truth to the idea of a soul. Also, the fear of death puts a high pressure on a person to create a comforting illusion which denies death (a soul which is immaterial and survives physical death). These things are likely to be with us in one form or another forever due to the psychological circumstances we find ourselves in.

>>16994677
I'd like to know why the UDHR takes it that humans have the listed rights. I mean a rigorous philosophical accounting, not the traditional political platitudes about humanity. If you think humans are so valuable as to deserve the listed rights, tell me why.

>>16995027
>attempts to write a whole shorz story just to tell us how george soros is the bad guy pushing alt right and Russian propaganda

Your not fooling anyone go back to pol

>>16997539
It is factual to say that certain things, within an individual's subjective experience, are desirable or undesirable. It is a condition of existing as a being in reality that you move towards certain things, and away from others. It is factual to say that a strategy that has emerged to aid individuals in this goal is to join efforts so that the synergistic value of the group can more effectively avoid things that are bad and obtain things that are good. Compiling a list of human rights that is reasoned out properly is simply the natural end point of this successful strategy.

If you don't think humans are deserving of these rights, you are completely free to hold that opinion, because those rights will be granted to you regardless of your position on them. However, if you violate those rights, expect a concerted effort by those who uphold those rights to restrain you.

Another way to look at it is an evolutionary one. If the position that humans are not deserving of rights causes a group to have less success, the very structure of reality will reject this point of view and it will die out. Conversely, if the strategy of establishing human rights aids a group in survival, then the structure of reality has validated it and selected it. We can view history and see that, due mainly to the concept of reciprocity, fairness and justice are necessary for groups to form, and these groups survive much better than the alternative.

>>16989394
>it’s a bitter and soulless competition
For the tutors, the parents one the kids?

Because if the parents have to compete for tutors I should get in on that shit

>>16993273
Youre falling for burger propaganda. China is obviously self interested but they’re not bombing people

>>16988153
>>16987809
I admit, I was like that. But then I realized I was unjustifiably unhappy with the way I was living my life, and changed my goals and how I spent my time.
Meanwhile, I get treated irrationally for rejecting the psychotherapy system, not 'practicing self-care,' not making my identity revolve around depression or anxiety, or saying "I have depression" as an excuse for my shortcomings.
Here's what I do instead. I get inspired by literature. This board legitimately improved my life. I read stories, non-fiction and fiction, about people surviving difficult circumstances, or acting morally, or helping others. I'm inspired to become more like them.
Meanwhile if I read the news, watch the news, scroll through regular Twitter, or use too much traditional social media, I'm more likely to become like ((other people)) and live an unhappy life.
The happiest people I know never used social media growing up. I thought it was strange they had no accounts, and now I envy them a bit.

Anyways, you adapt to the media you're exposed to. The people who produce the most content online are usually unhappy. It rubs off.

>>16994633
>Jack Vance
What a great author. I was laughing non stop when Cugel ate the creature that one sorcerer spent his life trying to find.

>>16998066
:)

>>16994722
I told myself that same thing since I'm 20 except with 30 years old. I'm a few months from it now and suicide is looking more concrete every day. Everything only has gotten much worse than before. My physical condition is bad, I have all kinds of pain in my body, constant tinnitus, I struggle with substance abuse, I'm mentally stagnated and slower, and I'm emotionally empty, I collected lots of regrets and bad memories.
There is no hope for me. I wasn't meant to make it.

>>16998788
Don't give up on yourself. I am also twenty-nine, unironically have tinnitus (in one ear) as of a few months ago, unemployed, never had a girlfriend, etc.

Make peace with your conscience, make peace with the ones you love, ignore all mainstream definitions of success or whatever. You can still "make it" mate.

>>16994835

I hang out in diverse servers where we say horrible, racist things and are all bros. You weren't around PoC you were in a fag server lol

>>16998959
Didn't expect to read such a reply here. Thank you anon. Hope you're doing well.
I'm trying what you said but it doesn't seem to get easier. Not talking of 'making it' as in having a career and pretty gf, gave up on that years ago, but just maintaining a simple job and a simple apartment is too much for me.

>>16988229
Mate, read some books on econ not just lit, this is very shitty and misguided critique

>>16995027
>tl;dr i became a chud

>>16995214
What's unspeakable about these horrors? Seems like we're just getting a gradual decline in our general quality of life. I would actually prefer if we got some terrifying cyberpunk dystopia, at least that would be interesting.

>>16987809
Health outcomes are fantastic.
People should try working 60hr a week whilst riddled with lice and eaten by bedbugs. They might gain some perspective, weak faggot Europeans.

>>16987809
>the lack of work

Millennials are the largest work force in the US around 75 million employed but they also the poorest at 4% of the nations wealth

>>17000380
Life expectancy is going down again.

Also please don't be mean to Europeans. They gracefully allowed your kind to exist and helped you develop. If Europeans wanted, back in the days, they could have wiped the Earth clean off other people. probably could do it again, but that's another story. A "thanks" would be appreciated.

>>16998788
>>16998959
i make $6.61 an hour living in my own country. tinnitus since as long as i can remember because i grew up in a shipbuilding area, but things have never once been bad. have you considered moving? finding a job somewhere in Europe or more developed SEA countries? i find that anglos simultaneously produce the most entertaining yet debased content. it doesn't seem like you necessarily have less, but that there is never any escape from wanting more. the 'actual' learning curve for living in a western country is lower, but the imposed learning curve of keeping up with the joneses and FOMO-type, rat race ideologies is astoundingly high.

i genuinely believe living/working somewhere else would do you better than trying to figure it out by sheer agency alone. at the very least, it would viscerally show you how different things could actually be

>t. 24 year old SEAmonke

>>16987809
Garbage culture produces garbage humans. Surprise surprise.

>>16999256
Litter pick and plant native tree species.
Murder drug dealers on the sly.
Suicide is a meme.

>>17000405
The British Empire couldn't even subjugate buck toothed cousin fucking Irish.
The Americans can't defeat rice farmers or mountain pakis in old Toyatas firing Enfields.
You're deluded.

>>16987809
The more unused to pain you are the more pessimistic you get. The real consequence of perennially being in pain is indifference.

>>16991447
ew
they are both disgusting

>>16994707
youre funny. im doing a 4 year chemical engineering degree to wage cuck it at pfizer for 5 years and then give half the good money i eventually make back in taxes

>>17000491
Agree with this. I look back at my whining period in my mid-20s with shame and regret.

>>16994767
So women exit peak fertility long before they reach peak brain development. Think on that long and hard feminists. Millennials 24-39 already exited peak fertility. Have fun with those retard babies.>>16994849
>>16994890
We're just seeing the feminist experiment unravel in its late stage. Nothing about feminism is good for the whole of society.

>>16999680
How much Kool-aid hair do you need before this looks Dystopian?

>>17000482
Yeah he wasnt talking about the 60s

>>17000657
The old Empires were as benevolent towards their subjects as the Jewish financiers who usurped and have since replaced them.
It's about minority rule and resources.
It's simply not expedient or even possible to engage in racial cleansing when you're outnumbered.

>>16994252
escapism works for little kids, where the novelty of a video game makes you forget about getting in trouble for a bad grade or whatever. it's not a solution for adults and everyone who tries to pursue it "seriously" ends up incredibly unhappy, which is why nerd fandoms are so full of bitter rage. it's always some version of "i was almost immersed in the magic world of disney's marvel's avengers but then the buggy graphics on level seven ruined it for me". something's always going to ruin it for you because the state you're looking for is unattainable. you can't not be you.

None of this is going anywhere good. I'm not sure you can even call it progress. Without the internet, you could pretend some women weren't crazy, or somewhere someone-maybe a rich person-wasn't also depressed. Internet blackpills everyday until you like them.

>>16987809
>you must become wagies
The game was rigged from the start. Money is created, it's artificial. Kill the people creating it and we're free.
But noo, that's antisemitic/racist whatever. Your freedom is a negative - and all the world agrees.

>>16987809
I'm a 26 year old Catholic male and live in DC. Dating here made me lose faith in humanity.

>>16988180
Sitting in floating metal pods? Adventure awaits the individual as it always has, extremely dangerous. It will take a special kind of person to grow through this world.

>>16989227
>although I think there are paths of secularism which hold promise.
Such as??

>>17000804
What's wrong with the Catholic girls around dc?

>>16995027
I'm the anon you replied to here and just wanna say yeah, I pretty much agree with your overall outlook (ignoring some of the minutiae of your post). I spent a large portion of the last ten years miserable—often to a debilitating degree, walking out of relationships and jobs without the slightest prudence or even care—but nowadays I'm pretty neutral in general. my post was mostly just doomposting because these threads are kinda fun and it's enjoyable to indulge in it at times, but overall there's just too much good shit to enjoy to call it quits entirely for me. I know a lot of anons here are beyond salvation at this point though and genuinely live like hermits and hate everything so if anything it's just a good reminder that I could always be doing worse lmao. glad you are doing well lad, we'll make it after all.

>>16989341
>There don't seem to BE any other kids to compete with. And the ones that are around are going to be trannies.
Kek. Based.
Just for curiosity, what do you and your mistress work at?

>>16989341
>And the ones that are around are going to be trannies.
How do you know YOUR children won't be a tranny also?
I mean, is a gay world we live in.

>>17000920
99% of people aren't trans. Despite all the trap posting on the Nigerian Adam's Apple Checking Forum.

>>16994876
Honestly taking the red pill is kinda fun though. Everything is fucked, you may as well look at and perceive the shit show fireworks.

>>16988180
>a couple of astronauts playing grab fanny in zero gravity will cure our civilizational scale spiritual malaise

>>16991447
Racemixers are so selfish. Two bloodlines ending, and another contribution to the destruction of culture and the coming about of globalization.

Not directly about millennials and zoomers, but I would recommend reading and watching late Debord stuff: Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, Notes on the "immigrant question", In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni, his short texts for l'Encyclopédie des nuisances, Guy Debord - son art et son temps (if you can find subtitles for it).

Debord was pretty depressed during the end of his life, seemingly because society didn't evolved in the way the situationists had hoped.
Despite his alcoholism and paranoia heightened by GLADIO, he was already able to diagnose in the 80s how neoliberalism can only offer a pathetic existence to the average pleb: perpetually disappointed consumers disconnected from any sort of organic community.
>Misled about everything, [plebs] can only spout absurdities based on lies — these poor wage earners who see themselves as property owners, these mystified ignoramuses who think they’re educated, these zombies with the delusion that their votes mean something.
>How harshly the mode of production has treated them! With all their “upward mobility” they have lost the little they had and gained what no one wanted. They share poverties and humiliations from all the past systems of exploitation without sharing in the revolts against those systems. In many ways they resemble slaves, because they are herded into cramped habitations that are gloomy, ugly and unhealthy; ill-nourished with tasteless and adulterated food; poorly treated for their constantly recurring illnesses; under constant petty surveillance; and maintained in the modernized illiteracy and spectacular superstitions that reinforce the power of their masters. For the convenience of present-day industry they are transplanted far from their own neighborhoods or regions and concentrated into new and hostile environments. They are nothing but numbers on charts drawn up by idiots.

The only thing Debord couldn't discuss about our contemporary hell is the internet, and he would probably pop a vein if he could witness online culture wars. His blackpill is otherwise still very relevant to the present day.

>>16988153
I really don't get this. Why would you want to larp as someone mentally ill? As someone who is legitimately mentally ill (ie locked in a psych ward for months on end) it isn't something desirable. It destroyed so many of my ambitions and left me trying to cobble back together semblance of my former self. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.It certainly isn't something to brag about.

>>17000995
They call people with actual mental illness 'psychos' or 'weirdos'.

>>16994752
>That's fixable by instituting mandatory childbearing laws
Do you think this will work? Don't you think the women in the workforce will bitterly oppose this?

>>16987809
It's a little far out there but I honestly believe much of it has to do with overpopulation. Theres a concept in animal behavior studies (ethology) called a "behavioral sink."

Basically this one scientist put 50+ lab rats in an overcrowded "rat city" receptacle that was meant to support 15 rats. They were provided unlimited food from water, shelter from predators and the elements. Later he did the same thing with mice, but provided them a means to increase their population so that there would maximum overpopulation.

The rodents started to behave all fucked up. Mother rats would eat their babies, basically having rat abortions, they'd run around in little circles. Other rats would only be active when the rest were sleeping. They'd show all kinds of behavioral maladaptations simply from overpopulation and overcrowding.

When you consider the young generations now, they live in a world where population has exploded exponentially. They're the largest generation ever by population size. Most of the problems we face are due to the fact that socioeconomic systems struggle to scale with population growth. The systems are overwhelmed, and modern life forces us to interact with too many people, forming breadth over depth social networks of loose ties that are superficial and transient. In general, many problems can be traced to or are otherwise impacted by population size.

Algorithms and AI may help us cope with the added complexity of scaling systems to meet the needs of too many people, but the development of these technologies also means a corresponding diminishment in human spontaneity and autonomy. Forgive the Harry Potter metaphor, but these algorithms are like one big sorting hat, deciding what path we should take in a world that is too complex to understand or deal with without having a mental breakdown.

>>17001021
>food from water,
food and water

I'm so glad I overcame my internalized Feminism this year. Let that shit go, Sisters.

>>16989227
Held metaphysical beliefs effect both the microcosm of the individual and the macrocosm of the civilization in very profound ways, altering the very mode of their being. The malaise you are currently witnessing manifest within the individuals and civilization at large is the natural consequence of the increasingly held metaphysical belief of material reductionism. We are entering the winter period of this civilizational cycle.

>>16987809
I wonder why there hasn't been an interesting artistic movement to reflect this situation, whether it's in literature or music. The last such movement was in the 90's, the grunge movement which seems more relevant now than ever but what we really need is maybe a more punkish attitude.

>>16987833
lol

>>17000963
I know you hate Off-world Roy but I want to see C-beams as well

>>16989341
>our children are going to have minimal competition for good schools and jobs
This is cope. You are upper middle-class at best and can't afford to send your kids to actual good private schools which cost anywhere from $40k a year on a $100k yearly salary lol. Also your kids will be competing with millionaire's kids who got the best tuition in the world in order to enter Ivy League or Oxbridge as well as poor gifted kids who get admitted through scholarships. As for the best jobs, they are all kept within high social circles, either you know the right people or you don't. For a 32 years old, you are very naive or delusional.

>>16989105
Don't give yourself stupid unrealistic goals like "Becoming bazillionaire at 25". At that age, you should be glad that you are graduating and having your first real job. Most people don't achieve anything of note until their late 30's and early 40's at the earliest unless they are truly gifted visionaries.

>>17001235
>You are upper middle-class at best
upper middle-class is enough to avoid the kind of shit this French dude >>17000990
is talking about. I know plenty of middle-class Ivy Leaguers who found their way to great jobs and Anon's family will do just fine.

>>16989105
>I've given myself until 25 to make something. If I can't create anything meaningful in my life I plan on necking myself.
As a 27 year old, you lack life experience and perspective. Focus on improving yourself and pursue things you enjoy.

>>16987809
I believe that the biggest source of woe right now is the youth and others depriving themselves of sleep in a critical period in their lives by the light of screens and the firehose of information, often negative and terrifying. As a society, we are facing many challenges but one of the largest is learning how to adapt on a very basic biological level to the advanced information technology we have created.

>>17001162
How could anyone create art when the internet drops a daisycutter on everyone's head every day. How could you possibly form a coherent, beautiful synthesis of your influences. How could anyone even appreciate it even if you managed to.

Reminder that if you live in a first world country you're probably doing better than 90% of the world. Half of this thread is in the 1%. Take a breath. Look around. Be grateful.

>>17000995
Their lives aren’t extremely fulfilling so they want an excuse that will also make them feel like they are special and tragic. The mental illness acceptance movement is a fucking epidemic and every fucking chick is on antidepressants at this point.

>>17002282
That's not going to stop anyone. Creating art has always been an intense human need.

>>16999612
explain
>>17000846
>>17001082
Many countries in Europe which have high levels of non-belief are far better than a country like the USA which has a high level of belief in a number of metrics of well being.

>>16999656
>t.

Fuck off my board faggot, and take your kindergarten ass insults back to your shitty censored tranny board

>>17002298
I realized today that people in the first world aren't miserable because of material conditions.
They are miserable because they don't have a sense of family, friends, community, no religion, no art.
Man needs to fulfill psychological needs, not just physical ones.
This is why even thought people in the past were less well off materially, they still lived and reproduced. Deprivation can be bearable if you have a family, friends and community that loves you, if you can turn to god or art to find meaning in your life.
People in 1rst world countries now live in ruthless neoliberal capitalist competition that has stripped away all that.
In order to be happy, you need more than just ample material possessions.

>>16987809
repent millennioids

>>16999680
>mass surveillance
>mass censorship
>mass immigration
>widespread drug use
>giant government
>absolute dependence on government handouts
>social cult of "woke"
>token activism
>parasocial relationships
>rampant mindless consumerism
>automation-borne unemployment
>skyrocketing taxes
>stifling labour regulations
>social credit scores
>retroactive prosecution
>no free speech
>restricted movement
This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure other creative anons could add a few things to the list

>>16997299
was this written by /lit/?

>>17001235
>you must go to oxford or you will be a failure in life
Lol cope

>>17001235
yeah anon is seriously fucked and his children's lives are ruined. For sure. You don't sound bitter at all.

>>17001235
>can't afford 40k with income of 200k
Uhh... ok anon. Nice bait I guess.

>>17001235
Obvious bitterness aside, educational pedigree isn't important like you claim literally at all for any professional career. It matters for jobs like international finance. That's it. An engineer will still make bank. So will a doctor. Lawyers are oversaturated so not so much.

>>16988180
>implying space exploration will happen when we throw billions of dollars into Africa

>>16987809
Obligatory

>>16989427
Maybe I’m just schizo enough to fall for it but there’s a lot of upsetting info on how Omega 6 polyunsaturated fats are terrible for you in large quantities, and that the vegetal oils that is used in virtually every processed food (sunflower, palm...) make it very hard to properly watch your intake. It seems they degenerate your mitochondria in your cells, and that’s a no good :(

Furthermore, microplastics are already in pretty much everyone’s organs, and those cause a whole slew of hormone fuckery. Also in the meats we eat.

>>17001235
yeah that dude is retarded

>>16989348
based

>>17001162
It would get recuperated in a blink of an eye. There are not going to be any 'art movements' anymore.

There are so many artists and art styles that any art movement would be either drowned by the sea of creation surrounding it or exhausted in a pretty short period (through thousands of iterations made by different artists which would make people desensitized to its message or aesthetic). Or, recuperated; coopted by mainstream media and transformed into eithr a harmless object of discussion/study or a trend.

Enjoy your ever-consuming, -decaying, -derivative, -bland, -chaotic hellhole full of corporate rule, perfidious advertising and milquetoast discourse.

>>17005119
>Living at the end of history
:(

>>17000982

I was doing alright until wuflu. Now I straight up see no future.

>>17000982
You're right, it's disgusting. The only people who defend the practice are mindless lib faggots and mutts.

>>17005359
Leftist memes are just recycled rightist memes.

>>17003683
Happiness is an illusion. It is a fantasy state of satisfaction. It is a desire. With desire comes suffering. Stop striving for happiness and start striving for tranquility of mind. You can achieve this whether you have money or family or not. Then you can return to the world of desires and excersize gratitude and compassion.

>>17005456
False dichotomy, I'm not even a lefty.

>>16998035
China has done some fucked up shit to other countries. If they officially became the global world power I'm sure they would at some point.

>>16998959
Stop with that talk, you are in so many layers of shit just because of the story you tell yourself everyday. It's crippling you, so much people would give a kidney to be living in the first world, you have no right to be unhappy.

>>17003077
>Many countries in Europe which have high levels of non-belief
There is no non-belief. They are simply unconsciously subscribing to a material reductionist metaphysic that has been inculcated into them through the education system.

>>17000866
>What's wrong with the Catholic girls around dc?

There aren't any here, fren.

>>17006330
You should consider Mormonism. The YSA wards are probably around 65-35 girls to boys and they're all chaste.

>>17000804
got any stories?

>>17006435
Coming from a Latter-day Saint, this may have been true 10 years ago. But it’s becoming rather bleak. Go to any random FHE and there are five men to every woman. It’s only getting worse during the pandemic since so many are going inactive. Also, the women are eating up feminism and all its attendant philosophies.

>>17006466
I'm speaking from personal experience too. I go to a YSA ward and I feel like the relief society is twice as big as the elder's quorum

>>17006497
I should go to your ward then.

>>17006507
I'm not actually baptized and I refuse communion on Sundays because I don't feel comfortable taking it yet. I just started flirting with Mormonism about 4 months ago and started reading the Bible around the same time, but have been attending church weekly with the L-D Saints ever since and it's really really comfy.

Read the Pearl of Great Price yesterday, I liked it. Scratched my itch for antediluvian scripture.

>>17006523
That warms my heart to hear, anon. Continue forward and resolve to come closer to Christ.

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” (John 5:39).

“Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path” (Psalms 119:105).

>>17006270
Wow, triggered by the word "non-belief". You are the mirror image of a fedora tipper, but worse.

>>17006581
Kind of wish they still had polygamy though, I think I could hold down at least 2 of 'em as long as God allowed me to. I fear some of the girls ending up single as they get older, there are already a few women in my ward who are slim and pretty but in their late 20s with not enough guys.
by the way, do you know what this is all about?

>>17006758

Polygamy is still a part of our doctrine technically. For example, if a man is a widower and weds a new wife, he would be sealed to both of them in heaven and thus it would be a polygamous marriage in the afterlife. This is the case with President Nelson.

The Pearl of Great Price clarifies a great deal around the nature of God and how He created us. Chapter 4 might be confusing because of the term “Gods.” It refers to both God and Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Son of God and Jehovah in the Old Testament. The implication is that both God and Jesus actually created earth. The latter would later offer himself as a sacrifice as an act of atonement for our fallen state.

>>16987809
I would say enjoy these last few years where things still make a modicum of sense, because that is all gonna change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsA3PK8bQd8

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away at the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!

taste a lot of strawberries while you can.

>>16994890
care to elaborate what you are meaning by going back to what worked? no offense, just curious.

>>17003683
No,you can spend your money on your mancave,on charcuterie,woodworking,big lcd screens to watch sports,a massaging sofa,videogames and arcade machines,gourmet booze and other manly stuff like beard oil,things you can enjoy in your self care time when you seclude yourself from your wife!
Remember to post it on Reddit for those sweet upvotes,lol!

>>17007940
What was the point of this post?
It doesn't refute my point. Did you just want to satirize Reddit consoomer basedboys?

>>17005601
Then you're just a regular dipshit.

>>17008115
Im agreeing with your point

>>17000995
Because they are ENDING THE STIGMA ON MENTAL ILLNESS (while severely lowering the standards of what constitutes mental illness)

Bumping for disinterest. When's this thread going to expire?

>>17008164
When the mentally ill become a protected class, there will be no one left to make sport of.

>>16987809
liveblog by megan boyle
anything by mira gonzalez and tao lin
giancarlo trapitano's twitter
hill william by scott mcclanahan
text messages
my diary desu
less than zero
collected works of rupi kaur

>>16989357
>i want to deify the state like atheists do, but not too much so that the state doesnt impose me an ideology.

atheists cling to their republics because they dream they can keep them secular, but it's not possible.

>>17000990
>Despite his alcoholism
that's a pass for me. alcoholics are subhumans, like womeme

>>17006842
>>Polygamy is still a part of our doctrine technically. For example, if a man is a widower and weds a new wife, he would be sealed to both of them in heaven and thus it would be a polygamous marriage in the afterlife. This is the case with President Nelson.
What if a woman is a widow and remarries? Can she not be sealed anymore? Does she have to cancel her previous marriage's sealing? If so, what happens to her past family?

>Chapter 4 might be confusing because of the term “Gods.” It refers to both God and Jesus Christ.
That does seem needlessly confusing, like a few other parts of the Pearl. For instance, Moses 18:13 has Noah's children referred to as the sons of God, and Noah's childrens' daughters marry the sons of men which is the inverse of Genesis 6:2 where the sons of God marry the daughters of men.

>>16989412
I listened to this guy on a podcast and he's a little beta male faggot. You can tell he's a follower.

>>17002679
I'm not saying it's going to STOP people, goddamn it's gotta be a lot harder depending on what you are doing/trying to accomplish

All you ironic insincere zoomer retards just need to read Scott Adams and Jordan peterson

>>17001342
I don't have big dreams though. Just something simple. I just want to feel content with life. The idea of being rich doesn't do it for me.

>>17008684
Republics by nature rise and fall, but they are absolutely at their best when they are secular with a godless constitution.

>>17006666
I'm not sure how you read that as "being triggered". Human beings have a highly developed ego which has effectively ejected them from the animalistic living in the moment. Being able to conceive of their limited existence within spatio-temporality, human beings require a metaphysic to world them so that they may comport their being. Religion is simply a delivery system of metaphysics to the masses to alter the comportment of their beings.

>>17011504
Huh? Define metaphysics, because what you wrote here is utterly devoid of meaning

>>17000788
Money just facilitates trading, which is the basis of society (mutual benefit).

>>17001162
Are you an idiot? Such a thing has already been done, but any artistic statement used against the system will just be made part of the fashion cycle, both reaffirming the system and dooming the message to obsolescence. Even grunge sounded like a parody of beat generation art, which itself was nothing but a piss-poor appropriation of disaffection, mingling any liberatory, sane ideas with complete nonsense (most likely on purpose, just look at the connection of beat generation authors like burroughs and ginsberg to the CIA).

>>17002298
>I should be grateful that I'm better off than most of the subhumans in the world
Who in their right mind thinks like this? You're implicitly suggesting you're equal to people from Africa or Asia. You must have ZERO self-respect to believe this. You have every right to be angry at being cheated out of your legacy if you're a westerner. Instead retards like you tell everyone to just eat the bugs and be grateful.

>>16988180
>he thinks we will ever explore space
Lemming detected

>>16987809
Everyone I know is extremely happy.

>>16991436
>Chinks are a soulless kind worshiping money and status above all else. They have extremely materialistic view of reality and are devoid of any higher emotions like love.

you mean Americans?

>>16991562
They have one of the lowest.

>>17005601
then youre a faggot

>>17002298
>doing better because of "yearly income"
Lmao. Fucking retard.

>>16991063
debt isnt real

>>17002298
kys brainlet

Considering we have gone from what works to what sounds good, it comes as no surprised society has turned to shit.

>>17002298
>I'm doing better because I have more wagecoin shekels and the newest Iphone 14

>>17014271

Any negative stereotype about americans applies twice to the chinks.

>>17000482
It's just because the US never had a serious war since ww2. If they needed they could glass those countries.

>>17014354
Chinks have a lower suiicde rate.

>>16989461
>west remains dominant.
The West was doomed ever since it became Christian. It's a Semitic religion, and no amount of cope will change this. In a sense, there is no such thing as a "Christian" "West" since these two identities are irreconcilable.

>>17014417
Vgh... Not my evropean femboy pussy...

>>17010117
Follower? I saw him on YT once, he seemed okay. Not a deep thinker like Zerzan or anything, just a journalist with a few ideas.

>>17014417
Jews have contributed enormously to the west. Nazis had about 15 years.

>>16987809
Welcome to the NHK light novel

Basically an Hikkikomori, enclosed in his tiny room for most of his life. Refreshing if you ask me

>>17014479
>Jews have contributed enormously to the west.
They did?

>>17014479
That has nothing to do with what I said. Whether Jews contributed to the West has nothing to do with Westerners choosing to follow an alien tradition.

>>17014417
>The West was doomed ever since it became Christian.
The West was last good in the 200s AD? Is that what you're saying?
Tangent hot-take: Christianity is a Hegelian synthesis between semitic like transcendental godhood and piety through right acts, and Hellenic ideas like incarnated, tactile gods and piety through virtue
For the record I'm a brainlet who's never read the Bible or Hegel

>>17014417
>The West was doomed ever since it became Christian.
The West was last good in the 200s AD? Is that what you're saying?
Tangent hot-take: Christianity is a Hegelian synthesis between semitic ideas like transcendental godhood and piety through right acts, and Hellenic ideas like incarnated, tactile gods and piety through virtue
For the record I'm a brainlet who's never read the Bible or Hegel

There is one newish book called Can't Even, How Millennials Became the Burnout Generation. Weird because it's on my list of things to read or at least skim through because it looked interesting. I know most people my age or younger all have something wrong with them. It kind of seems almost everyone has depression at some times. I admit I'm luckier than most, although I still get pangs of depression from time to time but they never last, and it's literally only for a minute or two. I don't have to worry about anything most other people my age do(mid 30s). I honestly feel quite bad for everyone, and try to doll out advise when possible, usually how to deal with things people can get upset about that they have no control over. Younger people will have it even harder than me & my generation, and they tend to not heed advise by those who know better. What I'm seeing with the younger generation scares the shit out of me and I don't frighten easy. It will definitely get worse, all we can do is be there to help, whenever anyone is ready & willing to listen.

>>17014417
Nonsense. The West as an entity and concept is a modern thing, and Christianity is at the core of its construction. The Roman empire wasn't "the west" even though it served as an inspiration to it (it included big chunks of North Africa and the Middle East, which are not considered part of the West, but didn't include a good deal of Northern Europe that is considered part of the West).

The irreconcilability of Western and Semitic cultures is a meme, as those cultures (rather the different cultures that make them up) have ben interacting pretty deeply for centuries.

The main elements that inspired and helped build Western identity are Christianity, the Roman Empire, Ancient Greek culture and the Enlightenment. Christianity is a blend of Middle Eastern (semitic but not only) elements with Greek and Roman culture. The Roman Empire was mostly a Mediterranean entity, stepped in relationships with North Africa, Greece and the Middle East. Contact and cohabitation with oriental and semitic people of various strands was business as usual for them. The Greeks were thoroughly Eastern Mediterranean and Egyptian, Semitic and North African influences are acknowledged in their most ancient myths. In fact the Enlightenment is arguably the least semitic of those four, but there was a Jewish European enlightenment, whose thinkers were constantly in conversation with the more general current of European enlightenment.

>>17015099
>depression from time to time but they never last, and it's literally only for a minute or two

I assume you are also severely retarded?

5 years ago I had hope regarding the western worlds moral decline, but I'm eternally blackpilled now. Using technology, social media, etc etc is like looking into an abyss, an endless amount of posts that are there just for consumption. There is no life affirming aspect, obviously

But many people are attached to this and they get their morals, politics and general ideas from it, which essentially means whatever those In silicon valley want you to think.

I'd rather go back to the 70s or 80s, or the 20s even if it means I'm materially far worse off. I don't care about material possessions at all, but I do want some sort of meaningful connection to our society. Rather than an individualistic and atomised existence where the big billionaires and corporations tell you what to think

I go through periods of adopting the Anarch type, as Junger describes, where you participate in society but hold your own views and hide away from it at home. But that's not fulfilling or life affirming. My country is already almost at the America stage

>>17015644
Mildly, if it was servere it wouldn't go away that quick!(like everyone here isn't some kind of retarded, wise ass)

>>17015758
I can improve myself, study, fall in love, marry etc etc but nothing, will stop this general feeling that I have about the western world declining morally and culturally. Sometimes I feel fine, as if my belief in myself has enough strength to keep at bay the influence of the modern west, other times I feel completely demoralised and effected by it

This board is peak midwit.

>>17015943
Cope

>>17015959
lmao you feeling the need to imply I'm "coping" is a cope.

Imagine being such a brainlet that you'd ever take the blackpill.

What we're seeing in society is a mass of retards taking the blackpill, I see this board is rushing headfirst to join them, it's telling.

If people had any idea what they were capable of... lol only the strong survive, you can drown like a rat if you choose.

>>17016005
Nigger when you spend some time in the real world around normies and others, it's hard not to. If you 'dont take the blackpill' your values and beliefs will still be at complete opposites with society as a whole.

E.g. try raising children and protecting them from all the moral decay and globohomo tranny shit

>>17016020
>Nigger when you spend some time in the real world around normies and others, it's hard not to.
lol why? All you're feeling is social pressure. Normies don't have to understand you but they have to respect you. Stop trying to "fit in" and you will lol
>If you 'dont take the blackpill' your values and beliefs will still be at complete opposites with society as a whole.
Ab populum? Nigga you're so brainwashed. Undo your social conditioning or you'll never be free.
>E.g. try raising children and protecting them from all the moral decay and globohomo tranny shit
Live somewhere isolated, no mobile phones and teach them the way of life. It's actually much easier than the opposite.

>>17016020
It's simple: distance yourself from the insanity.

>>17016246
not always possible

>>17016253
Time to break some chains or move the weight.

It's always possible, wake up.

>>17000995
They aren't larping, most people today are legitimately mentally ill, and are in a mindset that is totally unhealthy, and would have been seen as such if it was happening in a period other than today.

>>17002298
Suicide is way higher in first world countries. Ask people who are about to jump off a bridge if the fact they earn more money than someone in Vietnam stops them feeling competely hopeless.

>>17016237
I understand your points perfectly. Doesn't change the fact that it's painful to watch the western world decline morally, culturally and intellectually

>>17016304
Marx's dialectical materialism is flawed because it fails to take into account man's psychological needs.
Why is it that people in third world countries, who are tangibly worse off in terms of material possessions than first worlders, don't kill themselves as much as the latter?
That's because psychological needs might actually be more important for happiness than physical ones.
Material deprivation can be endured, and for most of history was, if you can satisfy the needs for family, friends, romantic partner, sense of community, and having a sense of life's meaning through things like art, culture and religion.
People in third world countries live with their extended families and communities that lend them material and moral support, they still have faith in their religions and organic cultures that give their lives meaning.
In the first world you are a completely atomized individual. First worlders are increasingly coming from broken families, raised by single mothers, seeing their extended families only on Thanksgiving and Christmas and feeling that their cousins are strangers, they don't know the names of their neighbors, science has replaced religion but doesn't give them a meaning to their lives, art and culture has been completely commercialized and only reflects the values of the elites that want to sell it to them.
The only sense of worth that people can derive after capitalism cuts off all those things, is net worth.
Your worth in capitalist society is derived from how much surplus value you can produce, your net worth, how many material possessions you have.
And in a system as ossified and anti-meritocratic as the one we have, where the elites have essentially cut off any chance of social mobility, the 99% can only derive their worth from being a low-paid wagie, and in this society being a wagie essentially puts you at the bottom of the totem pole, only one step above the unemployed and homeless.
No wonder then that some many first worlders develop mental illness and commit suicide at such high rates, when their entire sense of self-worth is tied to how much they make and when that amount is that low.

>>16994677
Not him. 2+2=4 is a theorem. Are you claiming that human rights are in anyway similar to mathematical theorems? From what axioms were they derived? The UN declaration of human rights is not internally consistent and is not accepted in it's entirety by any country anyway.

>>17016554
https://youtu.be/dnBQUJJ-7iE

https://counter-currents.com/2012/05/marxism-and-the-frankfurt-school/

If I remember correctly, a similar message about Marxism's misunderstanding of man is mentioned here.

I have linked the video speech and the transcript. I think it's quite a good analysis

>>17016544
That's a narrative you've bought into. Death and decay is necessary to sustain life. Embrace death for the sake of life.

Where we go from here is up to us.

>>16998066
Imagine thinking 4chan is better for mental health than something like Facebook. Kek. 4chan is full of bitter, angry, immoral, and mentally ill people probably more than any other social media site.

>millenials
I think you got your generations wrong. Millenials are 35+ years old, socially conscious onions drinking geeks.
It's zoomers who are taking pills and making depression memes.

>>17016814
Yeah retard except they don't get worshiped here.
>what a brainlet take

>>17014354
Chinks aren't fat.

>>17016554
This is actually a good analysis. Do you have further reading on this?

>>17017412
I came to these thoughts after reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher.

>>17016885
Absolutely this.

>>16987809
If it's any consolation I have stable secure work, a mortgage and have been blissfully unaware of social media for years and I still want to die. Existential pessimism isn't a school of thought, it's reality. Life isn't supposed to be good and we aren't supposed to be happy. You realise this after you get all the things you supposedly wanted.

>>16988180
space is 99% void and darkness, the notion of exotic planets with paradise like features is not only fiction, but idiotic as well

>>16988180
Space exploration is sanitized exploration, where´s the danger where everything is carefully design in order to you not to die, compare the human beings who will settle in Mars with Spanish Conquistadores who had to battle disease, native americans, search for food among other things

>>17018121
Do you have close and fulfilling personal relationships? That's what I want and I think I would be happy if I got it.

>>17004361
This. The "black hole" that is Africa will absorb all your resources and then the world.

>>17014366
mutt cope, you cant do those things because the international AND domestic fallout would be nation-destroying

>>17002298
>muh gdp/capita
>muh salary
kill yourself

>>17016885
>Millenials are 35+ years old
Millenials are late 20s to 40 tho. Younger is zoomers.

>>16994694
>What the fuck do you mean by "wants their people to dominate"? It's all about the elite, not about the pleb.
not him, but seems like although CCP elite exploits their people as a tool for domination, in doing it has to promote strength and vitality in the population so in a way their interests align. Whereas in the west it seems like established elite seeks their goals by utilizing foreign workers en masse and importing voter/breeders, which has the effect of weakening and disenfranchising the native population.

>>17000804
Please share stories—I was in DC for a week last week. Attended the small Latin St. Francis de Sales (best mass I’ve ever attended in my life) the Basilica, and one in Maryland. I got pretty demoralized—first time being in a city, saw the vanity of all wealth and pleasure. But the Catholic mass was my sanctuary of peace and respite. God bless that parish: St. Francis de Sales

>>17018930
Not really. I think my (self-diagnosed but probably real) autism prevents me from ever truly having this.

>>16989515
The west won’t engage with gene editing because of our fucking stupid “humanitarian ethics”. The Chinese state doesn’t give a fuck though, they’ll create an Uber race of 150 IQ ultra creative, ultra compatible with modernity, 7ft giga Hans and they will absolutely dominate. They don’t care about the earth either, they pollute more than anyone else

>>17021309
Because the west is right. Gene editing is extremely risky.

>>17021336
It’s risky in the sense that it might be soul destroying, but it’s not ineffective. Whoever does it will always outcompete whoever doesn’t. And then we will all be like the uighurs

>>17021364
Yeah, bro. It's definitely not risky to mess with the genes of good part of the population without understanding its future effects. Sure, that's not risky at all.

>>16994252
Video games and sports are excellent distractions from how shit my life is. They're pretty much the only things in life I have to look forward to. Pay is bad, job is a nightmare, I'm ugly as shit and will never have a girlfriend. If my mom and brother weren't around I would've offed myself ages ago.

>>17015524
You're free to believe whatever you want. I believe the modern problems the West experiences are a consequence and latent expression of Christiandom. History rarely develops in a manner most conducive to a culture except for some exceptions in the East. I do not believe Semitic and Indo-European cultures are reconcilable. Semitic religions focus on weakness, victim narrative, penitence, worship of Semitic tribal conflict, guilt, and a sense of the world being bereft of meaning in relationship to nonsensical conceptions of God. Indo-European cultures focused on chivalry, heroism, strength, valor, righteous light, and honor.

>>17021596
I forgot to mention joy in IE traditions.
There can be no true joy in Abrahamism.

>>16988328
>lack of religion are massive issues that could continue damaging their society/long term viability if not addressed
fucking retard

>>17018796
Apollo 13 would disagree with that

>>17005119
But would this enviroment not be setting up a counter culture?