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I know /lit will probably rip me a new asshole for suggesting this, but can comics be considered literature?

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>> No.1698165

OH MY GODDDDDD

>> No.1698169

>>1698164
Mmmm,yeah but i'd considered it the lowest form of literature.Just like puns are the lowest form of jokes(i love puns though)

>> No.1698184

>>1698169
Why lowest form? Sometimes art can strengthen an idea or statement.

>> No.1698185

>>1698169
The pun thing is cultural. The Japanese consider punning high art.

>> No.1698193

Comics are a combination of the visual and textual format, just like books are (almost always, at least) purely textual, the fine arts are purely visual, music is purely audial, movies are visual and audial, and video games are visual, audial, and interactive. The reason movies, games, and comics don't yet have much to their credit is due to the youth of the formats. Just wait a bit, Watchmen and DKR are already on reading lists.

>> No.1698200

>>1698185
Which you know if you ever watch their TV shows. I think it's because of the linguistic structure of Japanese.

>> No.1698201

>>1698185
Was that a joke about the earthquake thing?

>> No.1698206

Picture books can still be artful works of prose or poetry. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland came with pictures in it. Shel Silverstein always put pictures in his books. I don't see why it has to be such a big leap to say comic books are literature, too.

>> No.1698207

Don't worry about opinions, we all know what those are like. Enjoy your art and leave definitions to philosophers and fools.

>> No.1698209

>>1698165
Why the alarm?

>> No.1698215

>>1698209
We get this thread a lot.

>> No.1698217

>>1698207
I was more specifically referring to the various Clarissa comics circulating on the internet. They're absolutely heartwrenching and deal with some very serious issues.

>> No.1698218

Only if they deal with serious real-world issues.

For example, Persepolis and Maus are regarded as literature and are often taught in higher-level literature and history classes as a good teaching tool. This is because they address real world problems and have a significant message.

On the other hand you've got Alan Moore's exploitative, violent, misogynistic rubbish, which is NOT literature by any means.

>> No.1698225

Just out of curiosity, who here recognizes my first pic?

>> No.1698230

>>1698200
Yeah, definitely. The interplay of kanji and kana allow for a number of possibilities. I first noticed it in haiku.

>> No.1698235

It's from that Clarissa where the girl is speaking with her stuffed bunny and he throws himself out the window after she gets raped.

>> No.1698242

i would teach ice haven by daniel clowes in a lit class, straight up

>> No.1698263

>>1698235
Winrar. Now, would those of you who've read it consider the Clarissa comics to be the comic equivalent of terribly depressing vignettes? I do, I just want hear your take on it.

>> No.1698287

>>1698218
Haha no, fucking wannabe elitist prick.

You really have no idea what makes comics good. Comics are not literature, and shouldn't WANT to be.

By your logic, fuck Charles Dickens. He was concerned with shit like interesting characters, and essential human truths, evoking the reader's emotions. Stories that draw you in, entertain you, and change the way you think. Fuck that. We need real literature about real world problems like Persepolis. That's the shit that's really gonna stand the test of time. Never mind that Satrapi's a hack cartoonist publishing a diary, she grew up in Iran, goddammit! If you really wanna write something worthwhile, you should have at some point been a prisoner, or a resident of the 'third-world,' or a drug addict. Fuck craft, fuck art, we need authenticity.