/lit/ - Literature

>>16980408
I just finished Midnight Tides and am considering dropping the series. I loved the first three books and liked book 4, but this was grueling to get through. Anons who've read all of Malazan, how is the second half of the series? Is it worth it to keep going?

A shark and a hippo mating.... What the fuck kind of books are you reading?

>>16980466
you're moms diary desu

>>16980466
the good ones.

Finished the swamp of reading motivation that is use of weapons in the culture series. I'm done with said series for a long time. For fucks sake all I want to do now is to commit genocide against the culture and their shitty human pets.

I just got 2 months of kindle unlimited for $1. Anything good on there? I'm going to try Shaman King since the whole series is on there.

>>16980408
Recommend me Fantasy books that are like pic related in written form.

>>16980556
Not your personal shrink to psychoanalyse these bland scribbles.

Is Harmony's sword Kelsier or Marsh?
Why won't Marsh show up and kill Moash?
Why won't Moash show up and exploit Shallan's mental illness, only to be combated by Shallan's sekrit fourth alter because Moash can't have her suicidal ideation?
How far did newOdium fuck with Hoid?
Why does newOdium seem almost like a worse BAD END than Rayse?

>>16980584
>Is Harmony's sword Kelsier or Marsh?
Depends on where the fuck Kelsier is and what he's doing and how many spikes he has
>Why won't Marsh show up and kill Moash?
Because Marsh is basically a lightning rod for gods to take over. If Harmony sent him to Roshar the moment Cultivation or Odium saw him he'd be a meat puppet again.
>Why won't Moash show up and exploit Shallan's mental illness, only to be combated by Shallan's sekrit fourth alter because Moash can't have her suicidal ideation?
Because Marsh doesn't know about and hence doesn't give a shit about Shallan. He just wants to fuck Kaladin.
>How far did newOdium fuck with Hoid?
Depends. I doubt the damage is limited to the last 5 minutes of his memories considering he now has less than 200 breaths.
>Why does newOdium seem almost like a worse BAD END than Rayse?
Because new shards are unstable and Taravangian's entire shtick was an ambitious old man at the end of his life out to save his world. He was kept in check by his frailty, humanity (depending on the day), and impending demise. Well now his chains are gone and, as a god, what qualifies as "his world" is now up in the air. Unlike Rayze he also understands Dalinar on a personal level.

What would a fantasy book iceberg chart be like?

>>16980667
>Marsh is basically a lightning rod for gods to take over
I don't believe all Shards are Hermatically-aware. It's relatively new, and native to Scadrial (although we've seen Hemalurgic worldhoppers) but it'll be more commonplace at the end of the series.
>Depends. I doubt the damage is limited to the last 5 minutes of his memories considering he now has less than 200 breaths.
Same. I really don't like it, overall. Feels cheap, almost, like a way to handicap.
I bet Tara is going to be some cosmere-conquering fag at this rate.

>>16980776
Odium literally slapped Hoid until he found a piece of him he could manipulate. Since Hemulurgy damages the soul it's probably going to be pretty obvious to any Shards who bother looking

Analspren

>>16980885
Anal what?

>>16980885
Bro, WoW is back up already.

Piss and shit spren

What if we manifested a hatredforShallan-spren?

this thread is sorely lacking milfs

>>16981146
MOMMY
MILKY

>>16981146
What is that hat

>>16981048
my room would be filled with them, there'd be so many i probably couldnt see anything let alone read books

>>16980556
What do you want? Gay mermaids?

>>16980556

close as it gets fren

>>16980458
midnight tides is a highlight imo and the series gets somewhat worse as the books go on, toll the hounds is especially bad.

book 3 or 4 are considered the best

>>16981870
Is 4 somewhat satisfactory as a stopping point? I got "filtered" by Gardens (still finished it though) and wasn't planning to continue but I might be willing to get to 4.

>>16981892
yeah 1-3 kinda tell one cohesive story, and 4 is basically a standalone with new characters

>>16981860
How’d I know id see this here.... hahahahahah

I know you... I knooooowww yooouuuuuuu.
No seriously bro, listen, you’re the Bakker fag who makes those long winded replies, even longer when his defense. Yes. I also know you post all these on r/bakker... yes yes. The inchoroijak. The ranking list. And now THIS! You faggot. You’re running the prospect of him for many a young and confused young men. Who want to read about violent gay anal sexX. Any way. The real reason I’m here cause I typed something out on /tv/ but the damn thread got pruned before I could launch.
Fuck I forget what the kid said, but someone said post hands, post body, the kid replies aaargh >black hands I’m a nigger
>white hands I’m a cuck
But I reply
>white hand but rough, tanned to bronze and black fur to the knuckle

Thats SUPPOSED to be posted but the reality it’s probably just a soft pale hand. Doesn’t mean you’re a cuck but...

A black hand, well, there’s the kicker; naturally appears rough due to black man’s ashiness, but aside from that? Well usually it’s just your peer’s perception.

Man. It’s wild. I’m at this new job, never usually got out much aside from work with paps and the occasional bash, and jesus, it’s like they grow these niggers in vats! This one black chick, lumbers down the hall, standing 6’2 and looking like she can birth a full grown man from her elephantine hips with relative ease (I’m 5’10). I smile and she farts so I hold my breath. The other kids who don’t visit these websites see the subtle look of dread in my eyes and mistake it for some kind of latent nerdiness and take it as a chance to belittle me. Whatever, did you guys see that nigger? Anyway. You’re fine bro.

/sffg/, I just realized something. I've more or less centralized an entire cosmological fantasy story within the confines of a single post-apocalyptic city, but I never really considered what's outside its borders. I could simply build a wall around the city, arguing that the apocalypse divided the world into bubbles, but the possibility of "opening up" the setting is suddenly filling me with the thrill I've been missing. The only problem is, how do I do that without adding a whole mess of new factions to the story that would make things even more complicated and cluttered than it already is?

>>16982199
Give it a reason for why nobody trades or force projects

I used the idea of the wilds being a total fucking nightmare you can't safely traverse, even though the point of the story is crazy assholes traversing it with experimental technology

>I’ll be in my sleeping chambers," the Baron said. "Bring me that young fellow we bought on Gamont, the one with the lovely eyes. Drug him well. I don’t feel like wrestling."
>“Yes, m’Lord.” The Baron turned away, began moving with his bouncing, suspensor-buoyed pace toward his chambers.
>Yes, he thought. The one with the lovely eyes, the one who looks so much like the young Paul Atreides.

What did Frank "I have no gay son" Herbert mean by this?

>>16982230
my reason was going to be cracks in reality cutting the area off from the outside. the problem is the conflict I've set up within the city has such a massive scale that logically either conflicts like these should be happening everywhere or i have to set up a justification for why this city in particular is full of gods.

Also, I sort of had a scope planned out for this book series. I don't even know if I CAN expand it without scrapping everything

>>16982252
>Character who is the embodiment of rampant hedonism is into sodomy with little boys
Color me shocked

Is there any book that shows how medieval military strategy would adapt to Fantasy elements in a plausible way?

It's still good.
This is the first book series I had to return to since I've began my journey into recreational reading. Up to this point, I've been binging on complete series. Or waiting forever for ASoIaF to be completed, or picking and choosing individual books of a collection. But Cradle is the first one where I reached the end, waited for the new book to come out, and then picked up where I left off. And to my surprise, I didn't forget as much as I feared I would. I mostly remembered what happened before, and the trajectory of events.

And I was also glad to find that I still liked the series. I was afraid that after the break, I would come back and find it boring or stupid. But no, it was still fun. The characters still likeable. And it once again tapped into that weird drive to see characters power up. I don't know how the book manages to make me care about power increases, but it does. The next advancement is always around the corner, and it makes me giddy every time.

Also, I like how the main characters are seemingly nice people, but they all have scary and dark powers. Lindon just keeps getting darker and darker, despite his polite demeanor. It kind of scares you to consider the path he's on, where he just endlessly consumes and grows.

The content of the book is so mindless when you stop and think about it. It's no surprise Will Wight can write these books so quickly. Half of the content is just describing power increases by remixing the same words. While the whole plot could probably be summed up within 5-10 episodes if it were a conventional anime.

I do tend to tune out during fights though. Not to say they're bad. But personally, exchanging blows isn't that interesting to me. But I force myself to pay attention, because I have to know the fights in order to understand how the characters need to improve. And it's the improvement that gets me off.

>>16982331
Define medieval first

>>16982331
Temeraire is literally Napoleonic Wars with dragons.

>>16982363
Also, I completely forgot that this was the same guy who wrote The Elder Empire series. They're so similar in ways, but I just couldn't bring myself to enjoyed The Elder Empire half as much as I enjoy Cradle.

Pic related is what it's like reading Cradle though. Madra goes brrrrrr.

>>16980458
I felt that, by the time you finish the series, every entry is worthwhile. A lot of the seemingly disparate plots all wrap up together nicely by the last few books.
I'm also a worldbuildingfag. Your mileage may vary.

>>16980584
>Is Harmony's sword
Wax. It's obviously Wax. Did you not read era 2?

>>16980797
Not him, but there may be some wiggle room since the "cracks" in Marsh's soul are basically little splinters of Ruin and we know for a fact the humans on Scadrial are pure creations of Preservation and Ruin as opposed to the Adonalsium made humans that existed first (who may be the natives of Roshar). Other shards may not be able to influence him in the way Ruin did *because* they're not Ruin.

Do we like it, folks?

What should I read before I crack open pic related?

>>16982724
Nope

>>16982199

okay, I thought this idea through a bit more in a way that won't rock the boat with my plans

basically, the cracks stretch across the planet sort of like the borders between continental plates, and the boundaries resemble unloaded chunks in minecraft, but more jagged. Light can cross these fault lines, but matter can't, and the "continents" enclosed by the cracks build up a magical field whose strength is inversely proportional to their size. as a result, a city-sized area becomes massively magically fucked up, but the surrounding areas with much larger internal volumes are more low-magic and less fucked up

this also means I can center other stories in other areas of this world without disturbing the plot I'm on now

>>16982772
fuck off worldbuilder

>>16982724
I like Sanderson and there's nothing you can do about it :^)

>>16982843
What's wrong with Fantasy and Worldbuilding?

>>16982872
no story

>>16982887
I'm over 100k words into the story anon. I just had a realization that I hadn't thought about the world outside my setting

>>16982918
Don't listen to jaded anti-worldbuilders. Their only legitimate complaint is when the story is built around the worldbuilding and not the other way round.
Most of them really are just salty that Sanderson's figuratively a household name and they can't even finish their manuscripts.

>>16982994
Man, Way of Kings came out how many months after the last ASOIAF book?

And he's finished how much since?

>>16982918
well that's ok, i thought you were another heckin worldbuilder who has 0 pages written.

anyway regarding your idea it's actually pretty good, but I don't think it's neccesery, other people have other issues and things going on. Maybe make it so people can cross between but it's difficult, it would be interesting to see a few people from other areas

>>16983023
And I don't even hate Martin's writing. I just want to curbstomp him for being a useless media whore sellout.

>>16983166
the boundaries might actually be a plot point in a later book, but I have to finish this one first too bad for the past week or two I've kind of been off the wagon writing-wise. Winter and the third wave hit my seratonin receptors like a baseball bat

>>16983169
My contempt for him comes from his "No really, guys it's coming out I swear. Look I even told the New Zealand government they could lock me up if I didn't have it done in time!"

Just tell people either you don't give a shit anymore and pass it off to someone else or flat out state that he's written himself into a corner and you need to plan out big serieses.

That last one is my contempt for "write as you go" writers. I fucking hate Stephen King and this hatred stems from my childhood where I was running screaming from YA books but ran into something just as insufferable.

>>16983196
he wants people to keep paying attention to him

>>16983197
Then I hope he accidentally pisses off Twitter much more in the future. You want attention, well then get fed to the people who took over the Hugo Awards to the point some asian girl crying about people mispronouncing her name won an award.

>>16982363
>still good
Uncrowned shit the bed being half a book and cementing his "I have too many rabid fanboys to even care about critique anymore".
Wintersteel was bloated with shit like THE ENTIRETY OF Sky's Edge which served zero purpose other than to allow Lindon's brief interaction with the Wandering Titan, and to show Fury's ascension to Monarch.
>>16982585
>obviously Wax
>when Kelsier and Marsh exist
Did you?

>>16983196
Say what you will about King, but at least he's capable of ending a coherent story even if he's not very good at it.

>>16983439
I'd argue Kelsier and Marsh both would be incapable of balancing the energies of Harmony necessary to be a proper champion as referenced in the last letter. Too much Ruin in them with all the hemalurgy holding them together.

>>16981970
I’m the bakkerfag and you’re wrong, another anon made that meme, also I never post on plebbit. You sound simultaneously gay, retarded, and mentally ill, now please offer yourself to the blade. The Ciphrang are hungry, your soul would give them a tasty treat.

>>16980408
who keeps making these threads with the worst imaginable OP photos? fucking cringe

>>16983590
>balance the energies of Harmony
I wouldn't go that far. I think it is much simpler, as Sazed needs somebody who can literally do what he can't, i.e., actually act AND go offworld. Better than kandra, I reckon.
I think Marsh or Kelsier would be adept at fucking up most any other notable hoppers we've seen thus far

>>16983598
probably the discord owner since it gets posted all the time now

>>16981970
Calm down there, Inrilatas.

sanderfags, how important is dawnshart? I don't like the povs and want to give row a try

>>16983439
Wintersteel was larger than the other books. Making up for the truncated ending of Uncrowned.
Before Wintersteel, the largest page count among the series was 370. Wintersteel trumped that with 540 pages. Making it about 46% larger.

The major point of Sky's Edge was to get points and grow. Did you not understand that? Lindon fell out of the tournament. And so what is he to do? If he slacks on his training, then surely Yerin will out grow him, and he doesn't want that. So he does the only thing he thinks will allow him to grow as fast as possible: earn points and purchase sacred treasures, while also developing his draining ability.

Like in the beginning of the book, Lindon finds himself in a situation where official channels have turned their backs on him, and so he has to figure out how to grow on his own. And left to his own devices, he is allowed to spiral into his pure insatiable hunger for power. Will Wight tends to use humor to downplay the drama. Which keeps the book light and airy. But in reality, Lindon is going on what is essentially a binge. He's addicted to power, and just going crazy. His moral core is eroding in fact. He still plays the nice guy, but he's turning into some psychopath who only sees people as points. He doesn't have much sympathy for the people he robs from.

The whole bit about seeing how others see him is important, because it allowed him to realize just how maniacal he appears when he's on the hunt for power. How he becomes a scarier person. And without the whole bit about points, he probably would have never come to the revelation that facilitated his advancement.

Plus, he got the diamond veins. And built a stronger relationship between him and Pride and Mercy. Lindon and Pride totally have a Goku and Vegeta relationship going on. So it's good to build them up as allies.
Plus, it gave us, the reader, reason to give a shit about the next looming threat after the tournament is over. Building up the narrative around the dreadgods now, is better than holding out for the next book. It's setting the stage.

I've finished Wolfe's The Citadel of The Autarch. There are things that I understand, things I don't understand and things that I don't know that I don't understand.
What to do now?

>>16983196
The worst thing about GRRM is the whole "GRRM doesn't owe you anything" idea that gets thrown out when anyone criticizes him for not writing. It's true of course, he has no contractual obligation to his readers to deliver any sequels. But when I buy books that are in a series, I expect that series to be concluded barring some sort of providential hindrance. And if it becomes clear there is no conclusion coming, I have the right to complain about it. Just as he doesn't owe me a book, I don't owe him respect or forbearance. It swings both ways.

>>16984028
Your complaining at him doesn't accomplish anything. At best he'll feel 1 degree worse than he already does... and then he still won't write.
Your complaining as us doesn't accomplish anything. At best you might find someone sympathetic to your feelings, and then you can touch each other dicks, and have a good cry on each other's shoulders. But more likely, you're just going to bother people like me, with your shitty incessant nagging. Nag, nag, naggety nagnagnag. It never ends with you GRRM complainers.

>>16984038
I don't care if I bother you, anon.

>>16984026
Wait a few months then read it again

>>16984043
Of course you don't. That would require actual compassion and consideration for people other than yourself.

>>16984038
Also I've never actually read any of his books. The situation annoys me in principle.

>>16984050
No one owes you any compassion or consideration. This is how the GRRM argument goes.

>>16984062
What do you call someone who cries incessantly, with no ability to fix a situation, but still wanting to vent their frustration at the expense of other people's peace and comfort? Go ahead, think of a label for that kind of person. I would be interesting to hear what you come up with.

>>16984097
I'd rather question the mental acuity of the person who expects peace and comfort from 4chan.

>>16984097
Star Wars fan?

>>16984105
>Dodges the question.
It wasn't rhetorical. I would like an answer.

>>16984110
No one owes you an answer to anything. (See why this is annoying yet?)

>>16983439
It's obviously Wax, he calls himself Harmony's sword a few times.

Stormlight 1-5 takes place shortly before Mistborn Era 2, so Marsh has been an agent of Harmony for several hundred years already and Kelsier kept himself busy.

>>16984117
I see what you attempted there. It's not as clever as you think. Because you see, after this interaction is over, I'll probably think about it once or twice like "god that anon was retarded. I should have said this or that to him". And then I'll never think about it again. I'll never talk about it again. Because why would I? Can you imagine if in future threads I suddenly brought up this old exchange? Like, "ANON STILL HASN'T GIVEN ME AN ANSWER. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM?!"

Every anon in the thread would rightfully come down on me for shitposting.

There has to be some limit your your bitching. Oh yeah, that's the answer I was fishing for btw. People who whine incessantly? Bitches.

>>16984142
All you've done is whine for the last hour hour.

>>16984156
half hour*

>>16984156
That's not true. I've also made a post about Cradle. You read Cradle? Want to talk about it?

>>16984163
Haven't read it, unfortunately.

God I hate this fat fuck

>>16984284
the faster you stop giving a shit about him and his books the better

>>16984284
>YWN be a fat fuck blowing bubble and playing with toy cars in your mansion.

>>16983964
It's fairly meaningless to the plot of RoW and really only relevant to greater cosmere lore.

>>16984026
Urth of the New Sun

>>16984142
>I'll probably think about it once or twice
Lmfao you remember these types of interactions?

>>16984026
Can someone explain what it is about that there were two or more Severians?

>>16984305
honestly realistic goal

>>16984284
WHAT A FUCKIGN NIGGER
JUST FINISH THE FUCKING BOOKS SO I CAN START READING THEMMMMMMMMMMMM

>>16984024
>earn points and purchase sacred treasures, while also developing his draining ability.
I dropped the book around this part. It seemed like Will was just recycling plots to bloat the story. The points gathering just felt lame and cheap especially after Underlord, I mean, Yerin gets to train with a Sage to be stronger, yet Lindon, our MC, gets to kill monsters to buy treasures... Idk I'm just disappointed at the direction Will's taking.

>canon human male x "female" shapeshifter kinky sex
what the fuck you told me Hackerson was a prude mormon?

A lot of fantasy settings have their stand ins of the catholic church, mine is no less guilty. But are there any books that focus specifically on the fantasy church/papacy?

>>16984844
The Chalion series by Lois Mcmaster Bujold places a huge amount of emphasis on the in-universe religion. But it's not really anything remotely Catholic. The Penric novellas even moreso than the main trilogy due to Penric being a Priest (well he's a Learned Divine by title for most of the series, which is a rank of clergy).
I liked the way the series dealt with religion. It didn't just Expy a real world religion, and Bujold also developed a culture that is tied to the religion intrinsically, complete with sectarian conflicts.

It's hilarious grown men are talking about cradle
What a fucking joke lmao

>>16984839
The fuck are you on about?

>>16984024
>Wintersteel was larger than the other books
Larger =/= better. It was fucking bloated.
>The major point of Sky's Edge was to get points
Yep, Lindon sure built up a lot of points he received absolutely zero reward for.
>and grow
Thanks to Northstrider teaching him Consume which made him skyrocket and would render any field of battle opportune.
I'm not wasting my time with the rest of this. Genuinely reads like one of the embarrassing posts Will's brother throws up in advertisement.

>having an M.A. involving writing/English
>hide behind some shitty NEIL GAIMAN quote when faced with critique

Behind the 'tism
>https://wob.coppermind.net/events/292-brandons-blog-2017/#e7832
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/292-brandons-blog-2017/#e7833

Do normies that aren't teenagers prefer male protagonists too or it's just /sffg/'s thing?

>>16982363
far as i'm concerned cradle ended at book 6. i went as far as i could but that fucking mary sue yerin is so obnoxious it becomes difficult to continue salvaging the good aspects of the book around all the yerin-based trash.
protip for authors: don't write mary sues. it's not that hard, just do a better job.

>>16984553
it's real hard to read books where the mc is not the actual focus and instead we get development for a character nobody likes that shouldn't be in the books in the first place.

>>16984942
mostly due to covid i think, people are going through books like never before, cradle is just scraping the bottom of the barrel on readability. it's a passable shonen in written form, that's all. nobody here thinks it's that good, we're just out of other things to read and talk about.

It's hilarious grown women are talking about harry potter
What a fucking joke lmao

>>16983439
It didn't shit the bed as bad as oath bringer.

>>16985358
i only have anecdotal evidence but from my experience back in highschool people didnt really give a fuck. unless they read seriously they didnt have a preference. when they did the preference was towards same gender protagonists because of self insertion.

>>16985358
didn't use to care much, depended on the role of the protag. if it was some kind of heroic fantasy i expect the protag to be male, if there's lots of combat or military stuff i expect a male, if it's something magic or economic like a merchant i'm fine with a female, but male is always better because of self-inserting. it's always more immersive to have the protag be the same gender as the reader.
no idea what women would prefer but who fucking cares.

>>16985358
I dont mind, but most of female protags are written very bad. Could be there is just smaller sample to pick from though.

>>16984038
Are you seriously trying to tell people on 4chan that complaining is pointless?

Get back to writing, George

>>16985583
Late last year at work I saw a group of women who were old enough to have kids reading Harry Potter...talking about reading Harry Potter

do you guys think it is cooler for spaceshipes to have landing gear and be able to land atmospherically (like star wars), or have spaceships be specialized for space only and not be able to be atmospheric or land on ground

>>16985583
my manchild boss says that HP is a childhood treasure of his despite the fact that he is at least 40 years old
dude also plays ONLY on Nintendo Switch and subs only to Disney Plus
If I didn't know him I'd say those type people didn't exist

>>16985747
its almost always a function size from what I've seen

>>16985773
I was thinking that even small one man fighters it might make more sense for them to be adapted to space only

>>16985694
used to be a smaller sample for sure, now the majority of protags are females, so i skip the majority of books. real depressing.

>>16985777
that is also true

I write female protagonists becasue they make my pp hard
I am not published, however

>>16985747
realistically ships would be space only, fighters space only with a carrier required for refueling and repairs, and you'd have specialized shuttles to go to/from planetary atmospheres to space.
there's no way around the physical constraints necessitating spaceworthy craft be only spaceworthy, if you don't need to design to atmospheric restrictions you're able to pack a lot more function into a spacecraft, so it'll always be the correct practice.

>>16985819

that's a good articulation of my jumbled thoughts thx. Yeah I was thinking that there is basically no logical reason by spaceships would not be super specialized the same way cars or planes in real life are super specialized for the task they need to perform

>>16985840
the only thing i can think of that would circumvent this logic is sufficiently advanced tech so as to make in atmo/out of atmo an irrelevant transition, like culture ships with their manipulation fields.
if we're thinking like a step up from current-gen humanity, fledgling space era stuff, no inertial dampener impossible tech shit then yeah, super specialized for one environment 100% of the time.

>>16985840
It all depends on how advanced technologically is your setting. Gravity well is a bitch and with current propellants we hardly can explore space, so creating some kind of space hook/elevator and making space-only crafts is a way.
But if your setting allows for very fast travel in space, bigger crafts probably have to endure a lot of strain anyway and engines can escape the gravity with ease,

I'm going to finish the dying earth series soon, any recommendations on something "similar" in style, not in dealing with the same issues or in the same genre, but with the same focus on prose and character development. Preferably not vance as this is the last series I still haven't finished from him so I would have read it already.

>>16986043
Book of the new sun

Wheel of Time is going well so far. This series is long as hell, eh?

>>16986521
it gets worse as it meanders on, punctuated by occasional extremely bad scenes or moderately enjoyable ones, and has a dogshit ending because the author fuckin died.
it's the only series i actively regret wasting my time reading.

>>16986521
How far in are you that you say "so far"? Book One is almost like a prologue to the real story. Book 2 is more what you can expect a lot of the rest of the series to be, at least til Sanderson takes over which is where the story shifts into its end game.

So /lit/, what's the latest GRI classic? I need some edge in my diet.

>>16981860
lmao, more

>>16986043
The Henghis Hapthorn series is pretty decent

>>16986546
I just got to Baerlon lol.
I see a lot of negativity about the series such as the post above yours--do you have a recommendation for a point I should get to and assess if I want to finish the whole thing?

>>16985819
There's also the fact that you'd need to have a metric fuck ton of fuel just for leaving atmosphere, which also increases the weight of the ship so it can hold all the fuel + what it needs to accelerate once it's in space. I suppose some future tech could make fuel a non-issue though. Ideally a space ship would only need enough fuel to accelerate to its maximum sub-light speed and then to decelerate when approaching its destination, unless it moves via space translation or some pseudo-magic like that.

>>16986598
They're pretty easy reads so I'd say keep going if you're enjoying yourself. I really like WoT but even I will admit the story starts to slog around book 5. That's where the character bloat really starts to show, and additional points of view don't really add anything to the narrative and just slow the pacing down. I will say though that the end of book 1 drops the series hook, and if that doesn't grab you then you probably will lose interest once the pacing slows down. Book 2 is usually counted among peoples' favorites though, and it's personally in my top 3 of the series.

>>16986668
Thanks. Random question, why does Moiraine look like a midget on the cover? Or is Lan just that big? Her horse looks tiny too, she looks like a hobbit on a pony

>>Discord
Reminder that OP is a pedophile who won't stop putting his own Discord in the thread despite it being against the rules. For as long as this is allowed, I will be posting the superior alternative SFFG Discord:

FXDaKEy

aeos should fuck off and stop posting his discord. It is very interesting that he became a janitor here so he could promote his Discord contrary to the rules.

>>16986043

>>16980718
We should make one, no joke

>>16986598
Moiraine is lil as fuck.
Books 2 and 6 are legit some of the most potent fantasy fiction I've ever read. The first half of the series is pretty bitchin.

>>16986598
The series shifts so wildly I'd argue it's hard for a singular point. At #4 or #5 I thought I'd definitely wade through the bad stuff, by the #8 I pretty much gave up on the series. I'd say that if you like Great Hunt you should make it at least up to book 6. Then the bets are off.
>>16986878
The cover artist was sort of infamous for creating near parody covers that ofen have little respect for the text.

>>16986878
Ah you have the classic covers. The art is really exaggerated, but Moiraine is pretty short (I think she is the third shortest adult woman in the series, with the tiniest being either Nynaeve or Tuon), and Lan is fairly tall, his horse is also said to be a very large warhorse that most other breeds would probably look small beside. But again, the artist exaggerated all these things to an almost comical degree.

>>16987163
If you can make it to book 10, Mat becomes the best character in the series. For me at least, it made up for several books of him being shat on and sidelined.

>>16987284
Perrin not getting any love as usual.

>>16987298
I'd like Perrin a lot better if not for the Faile rescue arc that wasted his chapters for like 2 books. I came to dread Perrin chapters. He was in top form during his first solo arc but then got written out of the story for a book and when he came back he was constantly in Rand's shadow until the aforementioned Faile rescue arc. It took him so long to return to top form and by that point Mat had eclipsed him.

>>16987298
>Perrin
No, bara wolfboy was only cool during the siege of Two Rivers
then he got whipped and terminally uninteresting

>mfw /tv/ bitching about the news of DUNC being PG-13 and citing the metaphysical spice orgy as the reason for an R rating

>>16987349
>Perrin gets saddled with the worst possible combination of latina-Jewess wife who has a fiery temper and constantly pushes him to take on more power and responsibility than he wants
>Rand gets to bang 3 hotties then nopes out before any of them can marry him
>Mat has daily bed breaking sex with milf queen and then marries little brown girl empress
Perrin got it so raw...

This is the first good attempt I've seen at a straightforward english language cultivation novel outside of Cradle
(The author's other stuff is good but they're novels set in cultivation worlds rather than ones actually about progressing)

Having the protag be a grumpy and bitter old man who categorically failed in the past is a pretty smart decision, lets the book use reincarnation as the reason the protagonist can outpace normal characters without making them so strong that conflict isn't believable and without making them a dumb no morals character.

>>16987378
I'm reassured by PG-13 since it means they probably aren't going to try "modernizing" it with graphic sex scenes and ultra violence.

>>16987284
I'm about 5 chapters from the end of 'The Eye of the World'.
Mat is dog shit currently, but still not the worst.

Nynaeve > Ran > Lan > Perrin > Loial > Moraine > Mat > Egwene

Not sure if I should put Thom in that list, because he is apparently """dead""", but he would probably be behind Loial

>>16987455
Surprised you like Nynaeve, but she is one of my favorites as well. Most first time readers find her really off putting because of her ballbuster personality. Out of curiosity what's the appeal of her to you?

And yeah, Mat is not at his best in the early books. He's particularly bad in book 1 due to the dagger's influence, but he improves a lot afterward. What stops him from being really interesting though is he is constantly in Rand's shadow, and it's once he starts moving on his own he starts being cool. Book 10 is his finest hour though, where you see the culmination of all his potential and talent put to use.

>>16987483
>Out of curiosity what's the appeal of her to you?
>her ballbuster personality
I wish she would crush my balls.

She is a pretty cute dom, who is just trying to look after the Emond Fielders, and is the only one not taking any shit from Moraine, who is just constantly talking out her Aes Sedai ass.
I also like the playful, smug way she has with Lan. Her being proud of herself because she can follow his tracks, and hide hers from him is pretty cute. I'd be okay """shipping""" these two characters.

>>16987529
You're pretty perceptive to already notice the Aes Sedai facade is just that: a facade. I'm not ashamed to admit it took me quite a bit longer than you to realize Aes Sedai are master bullshit artists. You also seem to have keyed in on Nynave's personality pretty well, seeing through some of her bluster. You'll definitely enjoy her parts later then, cause she continues to be a major character throughout the entire series.

>>16987529
>I also like the playful, smug way she has with Lan. Her being proud of herself because she can follow his tracks, and hide hers from him is pretty cute. I'd be okay """shipping""" these two characters.
Well you're in luck then. It does take a LOT of books for that to pay off though.

>>16987455
>>16987529
You are making me want to reread the series now .

just finished rereading Gregor the Overlander. I feel weird about it. On one hand I knew this book ended up a major subconscious inspiration for my writing, but I didn't realize how much I drew from it in some places and how much I differed in others. Ripred was less gruff than I remember, more sassy, which I don't think suited him. The second half was a rushed mess. the pacing made it feel like the whole quest was over in two days. That said, the last line of the book floored me, because it turned out to be almost identical to the last line of my first book.

>>16987638
The early books are much better on reread. Eye of the World is actually jam packed with foreshadowing that is impossible to get on your first read. Realizing what all the stuff in it is referring to makes it an enjoyable experience.

>>16987666
Noice trips. That whole series is pretty fuckin awesome. Really gave me an idea of what *scale* for a world should feel like in my writing when I was younger. All the books are excellent in different ways. I actually wrote fanfiction for this shit when I was like 15

>>16987854
I'm hoping the other books will be as good as I remembered. The first started out strong but it collapsed in the second half due to the pacing

Is there a science fiction story where humans discover the reason we haven't been contacted by aliens is because one benevolent civilization has blocked off our solar system from outside influence, and we have to bargain for our freedom to explore the galaxy and it's a fruit of knowledge/fall from grace type scenario?

>>16987959
I'm stealing your idea

>>16984877
The Roknari did nothing wrong! The Bastard is a demon, and his worshippers are trannies and faggots!

>>16987959
The Dark Forest, kind of.

>>16987959
So basically a reverse prime directive.

>>16987959
I don't know but that sounds really, really familiar.

>>16987284
>Mat becomes the best character in the series
doubt.jpg You're near the first person I see saying something kind about Crossroads.
>>16987298
Perrin was okay but he took faile to the knee and bled out at the end of SR.

>>16988071
Mat goes from being pushed around by women for several books to fighting his way out of a Seanchean-occupied Altara with only a small force of his Band against tens of thousands of veteran Seanchean troops. It's not on the level of say, Dumai's Wells, but it's one of the best moments of the series.

>>16987298
I like the contrast between Rand and Perrin when it comes to girls.
They both haven't got a clue how to handle them, but always thinks the other is an expert at it.

That gets a smile out of me everytime.

>>16987959
almost literally https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40101657-broken-stars

>>16987959
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TvimPZrQh98
Gotta listen to the end. It's mostly related.

Stormlight Archive
Wheel of Time
Malazan

Which one should I get for xmas? Book 1 of course.

>>16988435
Sword of Truth.

>>16988435
Don't start a series that isn't finished.

Is malazan the go to works for military high fantasy?

>>16988435
malazan, even if its shit its still infinitely more interesting than wheel of time

>>16988552
But BS is one of the most prolific authors working today.

You can rely on him to finish the SA.

>>16988702
He is fat and mortal. Count no man's fortune 'till his dying day has come.

>>16988702
yep, in 30-40 years.

>>16988702
He could wake up dead tomorrow and at the current rate Stormlight won't be finished until 2040 at the very least.

Since he's going to write more Mistborn and Elantris before he writes more Stormlight after the next book, it's probably going to be a lot longer than that

>>16988048
Yeah basically, except the Federation lets you do your thing once you discover warp drive on your own, whereas I'm imagining a race that for some reason wants to protect our innocence from whatever's going on in the galaxy and tries to protect/cloister humanity as we reach technological maturity.

So more like well meaning "gods" than the story in >>16988220

>>16987971
I'll beat you to it and save this thread for the lawsuit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG0A9cOoNPo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=SlowlyRed

well?

>>16988575
i find the tactics and stuff not amazing but maybe? heard the black company is good, you might want to try ^ as well I'm a big fan

>>16988435
malazan probably, just get books 1-4 though to see if you like

>>16988435
first book of the stormlight archive is real good, easily the best of the series, and probably the only one you should read.

wheel of time's 1st book is just laying out the plot hook, it's all setup and intro stuff, and the series lags pretty hard and is then finished off by the guy that writes stormlight archive so the tonal shift from one writer to another is like being hit by a brick wall. that said, if you can stomach the femdom cbt level ballbusting that the main character inexplicably tolerates, it's worth reading.

malazan is good but the first few books are generally considered the best, one of those series where you put it down after you feel like you're done with it. first book is good but there's no real intro to anything, no context given, he just throws shit at you from every angle and you have to figure it out, took me 3 attempts to actually enjoy reading the damn thing, if you can get past the unnecessary learning curve they're aight.

>>16989017
this guy is pretty based, he's explaining it quite well so far

>>16988741
>>16988852
>>16988857
So what should I read instead?

>>16989017
Bakker is the end of all modern fantasy
I literally can't get into any other recent fantasy after reading his stuff. It just seems so shallow, bland and empty compared to what he does with the genre.

>>16989017
>Video
One of the first comments is about how the series shows how toxic masculinity hurts men and women and women need more agency in dark fantasy

Is this actually the case or is it another case of someone brainwashed by critical race/feminism theory into seeing this sort of thing everywhere they look?

>>16987959

welllllllllll... kinda

be sure to keep in mind that J. Biden wrote and passed in to law the Digital Millenium Copyright Act on behalf of the RIAA while enjoying this fun romp through the galaxy

>>16989098
Bakker said that he intentionally created a patriarchal, misogynistic world to emphasize its discontinuity with our own modern time and values; to unsettle the reader; and to point to the violently patriarchal nature of human history. It's a fair point, and female characters are quite important in the second series (Serwa, Mimara and Esmenet), but yeah, writing believable women characters is definitely one of his weakest areas. Keep in mind every single one of his male characters engages in gay sex and many of them get raped at some point, so he's somewhat of an equal opportunity employer in that regard.

>>16989098
idk could be true, but it's definitely not a pozzed book

>>16989127
I found Serwa, Mimara and Esmenet all great characters, Esmenet in particular was very believable

>>16989127
>>16989151
Thanks. So long as he has some sort of point beyond surface level idpol shit that's fine.

I'm just sick of books with transparent stand-ins for Arabs so the author can live out his revenge fantasies or a world in which all the men are stupid and evil and the women are perfect, superintelligent, and moral. You know the Captain Marvel school of character design where your character is already perfect they just need to stop getting held down by all the men in their life.

As for decent female characters that's nothing new. I've read Sanderson's stuff and the closest he's come to a female character I like is the literal 'sperg who barely gets any pagetime. I wonder if that's damning of him or if there's an innate quality of a "female character" that rubs me the wrong way.

>>16989155
one of the characters is literally a retarded bimbo who gets manipulated, she's pretty fun to read though

>>16989017
>>16989127
>Two pages in there's a homo rape of an underage boy
Beyond based

>>16989205
I can't tell if R. Scotty's
a) using his writing to deal with dark shit that happened to him in the past
b) an actual sadistic r*pe-murder fetishist writing out his psychotic fantasies
c) just really really likes making people uncomfortable
probably some combo of all three desu

Fuck it, I've decided to read the entirety of the Wheel of Time.

I don't even know why. Every time I try to read this series, I end up hating both it and myself and feeling absolutely miserable whenever I open one of those damned books. But I keep coming back for more. Its like the series is an abusive girlfriend or something.

>>16989236
What is it about the series that draws you? I look at it and it just kinda bounces off me

Is this anon correct?
>>>/v/535481426
CP77 is accurate?

>>16989236
Why not just read that infamously long Smash Bros fanfic? I mean if you're just looking for garbage you can shovel into your system for a few weeks

>>16989268
I'm so glad you felt that one board was insufficient to hold all that shitposting

>>16989277
I just feel like the cyberpunk experts are here, not like those faggots

>>16989297
>>16989268
William Gibson is the only true cyperpunk author. Blade Runner is neo-noir. I don't know about Deus Ex but it seems like standard dystopian scifi. Also, your comment doesn't really belong here. Go back to /v/ and /tv/ please.
>>16989270
>>16989243
Kek, I would rather read the entire Sonichu sagas of Chris-chan than suffer through the WoT tripe. It would probably have greater literary value as well.

>>16989270
>>16989243
I have no idea what draws me to it. Its just part of my life now. I don't know why. I don't even remember when I first tried reading it. Its just permemently lodged in my consciousness.

>>16989268

It's a really long and annoyingly trop'd story full of disappointment.

The TLDR is that Gibson hit a leyline junction in ideaspace and nobody can ever hit the same one, ever again. There is a lot of really interesting fiction adjacent to that node, but monkey brains are obsessed with iphones and shit. Status symbols apparently matter enough to narrow evolution.


Whatever merits it may have, CP77 can never be Neuromancer.

/sffg/, i miss having the ability to give a shit

>>>/v/535507047
Which one of you autists is rampaging?

>>16989155
>because no woman anywhere has ever been oppressed or held back by men before, what a ridiculous fantasy these feminazis engage in

Finishing my reread of Renegade Immortal. Is it worth reading Pursuit of the Truth if I know the ending or should I just start A World Worth Protecting?

>>16989774
Yeah that's what I said. How about you reduce this next passage to an utter strawman?

Go back to Twitter

>>16988435
If you're doing one book, then Stormlight Archive. The series itself isn't finished but book 1 is a lot more rewarding than the book 1 of either WoT or Malazan.

>>16989907
Stormlight's weird in that it feels like the first two books should have been one gigantic book

>>16989917
Book 1 nonetheless has a pretty rewarding climax, though I do agree it flows into book 2 so naturally it feels like he just split a giant ass book in 2.

>>16988435
if only 1 book, Stormlight
if 2 books, Malazan (for the Kino that is Deadhouse Gates)
if 3 books, WoT

>>16989808
You first sweaty, stay mad ;^*

>>16989962
I would but Twitter banned me for using the wrong pronouns

don't mind me, just here to prove i know how to read.

>>16984526
>>16984284
asofai is just going to end unsatisfyingly so you shouldn't look forward to it

>>16990069
This

Writing a story as you go leads to Stephen King-tier endings

But hey, at least the series isn't built on mysteries so you won't get a Lost-tier ending

>>16989127
Esmenet is one of the most accurate depictions of women in fantasy.

>>16989268
Gibson was only one of the original cyberpunks. His version, the corporate dystopia, became the most popular but isn't the only kind of cyberpunk.
See also:
Software by Rudy Rucker
The Artificial Kid by Bruce Sterling
short stories by Lewis Shiner
Synners by Pat Cadigan
400 Boys by Marc Laidlaw is here: https://www.marclaidlaw.com/online-fiction/400-boys/

Reading the Solomon Kane stories and absolutely loving them, I didn't know if I'd like it being historical fantasy but seeing his puritan beliefs come up against ancient horrors is a really cool dynamic. I also like that he becomes more willing to use magic during his travels in Africa, even though it's devilry, that's an interesting internal conflict.

>>16987397
>female author

>>16990210
FUCKING thanks.

>>16990210
>why, yes, I'm a cyberpunk enthusiast, how could you tell
Thanks for the recs btw.

>>16990402
np. Those are the originals. My favorite of the later versions of cyberpunk is Vurt by Jeff Noon.

>Read the first chapter of Sixth of the Dusk's sequel
>Scadrial are now space age
This I expected
>Odium-powered Skybreakers flying through space and having a shardgun
This I expected less

>>16990423
The Cosmere is going to be such hilarious nonsense by the end

I'm empty, i'm exausted. I just stare at book covers and can't really get into reading anything.
What to do? What to read?

>>16984553
>>16985470
>>16985008
>I dropped the book around this part
lol, what? That's the thing that makes you drop a book while you're 8 books in?
Your critique doesn't even make sense. You claim Lindon's plot is recycled. Despite the fact that he's facing new foes, and utilizing a new ability, and acting in a new role.(Being a leader for once, and calling the shots, rather than following people around like a dog)
But then in the same breath you suggest that Yerin's story is unique when she's doing the same exact thing she's always done since the very beginning of the book: Training under a sage, and battling against her blood shadow.

>yet Lindon, our MC, gets to kill monsters to buy treasures
Again, like I said, Lindon was taking a lead position for once, and commanding a force. On top of that, he's seeking for his revelation to advance men. On top of that he's directly opposing the people who seek to follow the dread god. He wasn't merely killing monsters, he was draining people and stealing their masks. He was dismantling ambushes. He was showing himself as someone people can look up to. As well as solidifying his relationship with Yerin.

>Yep, Lindon sure built up a lot of points he received absolutely zero reward for.
You fail to understand that he's actually growing as a character, as well as in power. And besides, he didn't buy any treasure for himself, as he was saving up for the diamond veins. Which he was eventually gifted by Pride in the end. Showing that he's earned the respect of one of his rivals. Showing his team is happy with him.

>Larger =/= better. It was fucking bloated.
But you criticized the length of the previous book. So he made up for that by delivering an extra long book this time.

>Thanks to Northstrider teaching him Consume which made him skyrocket and would render any field of battle opportune.
First of all, Dross and Lindon took the initiative in stealing the secrets. Though Northstrider probably allowed the theft to happen, it was still a proactive move by Dross and Lindon. And even when Northstrider gave a small amount of instruction, Lindon still had to work out the rest. Lindon also figured out how to create a new armor, and created some kind of self purifying form by allowing Blue into his core.

You guys really sound like you didn't finish the book, because if you did, then you would know that Lindon advanced to a position equal to Sage in the end. Manifesting the icon of a black hole, and naming himself "the end". He actually *skipped* overlord and archlord. But also, what the fuck does the black hole icon even mean? Lindon is on an unusual path. It might very well be a new path.

You guys are so wrong about everything. I don't mind when people say they dislike something. But when you give me factually incorrect reasons to explain why you dislike it, then I have to take issue.

>>16990423
Is this some shit you made up or some shit I can locate somewhere?

>>16990838
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/448-row-release-party/

>>16990825
>That's the thing that makes you drop a book while you're 8 books in?
I didn't mention all of my reasons. One other thing was the obnoxious romance between Lindon and Yerin (you might disagree with me on this).
>Despite the fact that he's facing new foes, and utilizing a new ability, and acting in a new role
Its true that he gets new abilities and foes, but the way it was built up, by points gathering, just felt lame to me, it felt like Ghostwater pt.2. I'm going to be honest, I never really liked Yerin since the start, so my view of her is probably biased, that's why I was disappointed that Yerin gets the better limelight than Lindon.
>You guys really sound like you didn't finish the book,
I did mention I dropped the book. I've read too many cultivation novels after the first time I read this series so I don't need much reasons to drop it.

Also,
>when you give me factually incorrect reasons to explain why you dislike it
What the fuck are you on about anon? It's called opinions, why would you need to say that mine is "wrong opinion" instead of just disagreeing with it.

>>16990838
Awwwww sheeeeeeit.
Well, I was really excited for Kaladin's short arc about speculating whether he could fashion Syl into non-weapon devices. Between Wax and Wayne and the ability for live shards to be any weapon it really was inevitable.

>>16990885
>>16990858
>please disregard, I suck cocks

>>16990423
Odium's colour isn't purple, it's gold, also wasn't the Radiant a windrunner?

Why aren't you buying Wild Cards, anon?

>>16990896
Well then who's purple? And the fact that the Radiant was asking about the local law to see if he could kill the man marks him as a Skybreakef

>>16990948
Or an elsecaller perhaps? I think that's their "color" in relation to the polestones.

>>16990896
Ah, but voidlight is purple.

>>16990970
Elsecallers can't fly

>>16990877
>One other thing was the obnoxious romance between Lindon and Yerin (you might disagree with me on this).
Really? Their romance is pretty sparse compared to other books. And even when they're on dates, they still talk about training and the plot of the book.

>Its true that he gets new abilities and foes, but the way it was built up, by points gathering, just felt lame to me
While the tournament was being held, nations were actually preparing to go to war. The factions couldn't shed too much blood, for reasons that escape me at the moment. But I think it's because the Judge Makiel The Hound, would like to see the tournament through. So the two factions were instead just poking at each other while they get in position and wait to see who gets the monarch killing weapon. Which would largely decide who was at power.

So the Akura faction was actually positioning themselves for war, while evacuating whoever they can outside of the path of the dread god. The points thing was basically just their plan to keep the members of their faction incentivized to fight. It seems kind of silly, but Will Wight uses humor to take the edge off of the drama. So rather than writing about the gritty reality of two factions exchanging blows, he presented it as a game to gather points. Which, in its own way, is kind of disturbing. Because it makes Lindon appear psychopathic. Willing to severely harm people for the sake of point gathering.

>I'm going to be honest, I never really liked Yerin since the start
How can you dislike the perfect tomboy? She's straightforward, you never have to guess with her. She's usually in a good mood and jokes around. She enjoys all the same things you do. And she's deathly loyal. Is she *too* good? Or...?

>that's why I was disappointed that Yerin gets the better limelight than Lindon.
While I read, I had the thought that some people might think this. She does take up a good chunk of the book. But if you think about their paths, it makes sense that Lindon fell out of the tournament while Yerin went on to soak up the glory. She was always the prodigy. She's been training with a sage since she was a young girl. Lindon is always the one who gets the short straw, and then he has to find his own path to victory. So Lindon had to work twice as hard trying to get those points, and stealing secrets, and pretty much going to a small scale war, just to earn his advancement the hard way.

>It's called opinions, why would you need to say that mine is "wrong opinion"
There are some things that are measurable. Such as the idea that the author is recycling plots. If we measure the points of the plots, then we see how few aspects actually parallel. And conclude that it in fact wasn't recycled.
Or take for example, if you said "I dislike Yerin because she has blonde hair, and my ex has blonde hair, so I hate blondes". Then clearly you are wrong, because Yerin has black hair. So your opinion is not based on fact.

>>16990998
True. I hadn't read the passage so I thought perhaps it was literally radiants in the vacuum of space. Seems like maybe an elsecaller could get around in that somehow, transportation and all.

>>16991038
It is literally Radiants in the vacuum of space. The Radiant flew to the planet on his own

>>16991061
Right, it was just a thought. The more important point is Odium's investiture (voidlight) is purple, so I think it's more likely indicative of a fundamental change to the skybreakers somehow. Maybe something in the new oathpact :^)

Pissspren
Coomspren
Wet Shartspren

>>16991015
>Their romance is pretty sparse compared to other books.
It felt obnoxious to me because of the date timing (Lindon just lost a tournament) and everyone (including Mercy which I suspect has a feeling or two for him) kept pushing Lindon to do something that isn't training with Yerin. This is just my personal feeling regarding romance in the series, so I don't really mind if people disagree.

>Because it makes Lindon appear psychopathic.
I don't know if I'd call him psychopathic, he basically has the bugman philosophy that prevails in cultivation novels.

>Is she *too* good? Or...?
I'm not a faggot if that's what you're implying. I dislike her *precisely* because she's a tomboy.

Me saying the book is bloated was probably a little unfair, considering my biggest grip with the previous book was how short and rushed it was. I've never been a fan of multiple pov, and the book just kept giving me pov's of people I don't care about, that's why it felt like it was bloated to me. If you're trying to sell me again on the series, I'm not going to do it. I was already disappointed by Uncrowned's rushed ending, and the way it was going on the early part of Wintersteel, I could tell that I wouldn't like the direction Will's taking.

>>16989268
That board is full of threads from that game, all 4chan is talking about it too. Is it really that good?

>>16991356
it's probably the most hyped game of all time, early signs seems like it's a bit of a disappointment and buggy + poorly optimised though

CAN WE PLEASE make sure that whoever makes the next thread is NOT the pedo discord creep who’s baked the last few? His horrible OP photos have nothing to do with scifi/fantasy lit, are hideous to my eyes, offensive to all aesthetics, and make me feel ashamed for posting in this thread. Let’s make sure to preempt aeos or whatever he’s called in baking the next one. Deal?

>>16990423
We've known about space Scadrial for over a decade. The last Cosmere series will be future space opera Mistborn with Hoid as the MC.

>>16990825
>you guys are so wrong about everything
>doesn't know the name of the mark Lindon manifested and thinks he skipped two tiers of cultivation even though this is literally explained in the book
all fields. you don't want a discussion, you want to assert your "Everybody is wrong but me" crossboard nonsense

>>16991251
>It felt obnoxious to me because of the date timing (Lindon just lost a tournament)
That did feel a little shoehorned in. The timing was really odd. It was short chapter though.

>and everyone (including Mercy which I suspect has a feeling or two for him) kept pushing Lindon to do something that isn't training with Yerin.
To be fair, Mercy would be the kind of person to cuck herself, if it meant supporting her friends. And perhaps it was good for Yerin's mental health to have a break.

>I don't know if I'd call him psychopathic
I would. If you read to the end, then you might understand why. Lindon goes a little crazy.

>I'm not a faggot if that's what you're implying
Nah, I wasn't implying anything other than you having bad taste.

>I've never been a fan of multiple pov, and the book just kept giving me pov's of people I don't care about
Half of the PoVs were of characters interacting directly with the major cast. I find it interesting to get an outsider's perspective on Lindon or Yerin. And it allows the author to expound on abilities that don't directly relate to Lindon or Yerin. We get to learn how other stuff in the world works.
The other half of the PoVs were important for the plot, since Lindon and Yerin can't be in every important place. We needed to know the motivations of other characters, in order to understand why things are happening.

>If you're trying to sell me again on the series
Nah. I just thought your reasons for disliking the book were preposterous.

>>16991478
I have no problem whatsoever with being corrected. But My being wrong about A, doesn't mean you're right about B.
I forgot what Lindon's icon is called because I'm just not good with names. Plus, being an audiobook reader, I don't have the benefit of looking at how a word is spelled. A visual would help me remember better.

I actually have to go google names. So as to avoid mistakes like like Linden and Yaren. I do try to fact check before I make claims, but unfortunately finding information on this book is difficult. As popular as it may be, the record keeping isn't very good. So I can't really rely on the wiki to help me check what I think I know. Hell, they haven't even updated Lindon's page with all the relevant info in Wintersteel. Hell, they don't even have a page for Sopharanatoth, despite her being the major villain this book.

Now all that being said, I'm pretty sure Lindon skipped two tiers of cultivation. The heaven and earth cycling technique gave Lindon an unnaturally large pool of mantra. And all the power sucking he was doing helped strengthen his cores to their absolute peaks. He then had his revelation, which manifested an Icon, putting him in the same rank as a Sage. And then his strength is proven by his quick dispatching of Sophara. Before the advancement, Lindon could never match her in power. And then afterward, he defeats her without trying.

>>16988435
Malazan, no doubt

>>16990899
Just drop TWoW and continue with Dunk & Egg you fat fuck, at least they are very straightforward and easy to complete.

A lot of the fantasy posted here seems to be autistic D&D playthroughs in novel form. What is the appeal of these books? Just to feed one's autism? I don't understand why I'd be interested in someone progressing through an arbitrary magic system.

>>16993358
>Just to feed one's autism?
Yes, as far as I can tell.

>all this shit about cradle
the flaw of these books is lindon<yerin in strength, perpetually, and the authors focus on yerin despite her being a complete mary sue. if she wasn't in the books at all they'd be very different books, but a lot better and more readable. i dropped the series after book 6, author took too many paths that i felt were incorrect, including maiming the main character, which is a 100% go fuck yourself kind of issue.

>>16989231
My guess is he witnessed some horrific shit done to someone he loved (friend/sibling) and was too much of a cuck to intervene or say anything. Kellhus is the manipulative adult in a world of children, where the only people who see through him are powerless and cowards.

>>16994086
that scene with Kellhus and Proyas in the tent must have done some shit to Scotty

>>16993358
Power fantasies and escapism, obviously. How do you read fantasy and not get that appeal? Are you that ignorant?

>>16993641
Lindon being the underdog is why he's so likeable in the first place. If he surpasses Yerin, then it ruins the dynamic. Yerin isn't a Mary Sue, she's just talented and has great training. Ironically, she's talented in a way that you desire Lindon to be. Which would then by your definition make Lindon a Gary Stu.

It's more fun seeing Lindon find unconventional ways to win than it would be watching him be the powerful one of the party. Kelsa, Lindon's sister would have been the same as Yerin under different circumstances. If she were trained properly, and able to leave Sacred Valley. Point is, there are a ton of people similar to Yerin. She's not perfect, just fortunate.

Also, I've reread the first book, and it's funny how immediate Will Wight sets up Lindon and Yerin's dynamic. It's clear that she was intended to be a major part of the book from the start. Like, that's just what you're getting with this series. Lindon and Yerin go together like Sonic and Tails. Sure, Sonic is the cool main character, but Tails can fly and swim. So he'll always be better. But you sill end up liking Sonic more because he's Sonic.

>>16982363
I enjoyed the series and will read this too. Thanks for the update anon!

>>16988435
Ma la zan

>>16994445
yep, all of that is correct except for yerin not being a mary sue, she definitionally is, and it ruins the series.

*buggers you*

>all this shit about cradle
>still thinking Yerin and Lindon skipped cultivation ranks despite the book literally telling you otherwise
It's like I'm really reading copypasted fan posts from their sub.

>>16994238
What are you trying to escape from, anon?
Everything okay at home?

>tfw no book about a buff orc warrior woman adventuring with her pet shota

>>16994627
>Admits to being a redditor.
>Passive aggressively replies without quoting the post.
>Gets basic information wrong about the post he's referring to, despite acting like he knows better
>Doesn't bring any prove to back up his claims.

>>16995162
>Doesn't bring any prove
>prove
disgusting

>>16995194
Not surprising the redditor takes any typo, spelling error, or grammar mistake to weasel out of a confrontation.

>>16995207
not him but, the books are shit
the main character constantly fails and is always saved by the goddamn mary sue
the author keeps focusing on this shitty weak mc strong mary sue dynamic to the detriment of the main plot of the books
not even mentioning the sideplot shit, that's some skipworthy worldbuilding if ever there was any
and the author keeps making shitty plot decisions like lindon failing to win the duel despite all of his cleverness and then getting fucking maimed, the economics and worldbuilding of cradle itself not really making sense and generally just being a shitty story
i'm done talking about these YA-tier shonen anime books now, i didn't drop them so i could debate with some psued on the internet about why his shitty opinion is such shit.

>>16995265
It sounds like you really do want to debate the books. Seeing as how you interjected with a load of critique that doesn't even address the key point of contention. That being whether or not Lindon skipped cultivation ranks.
You just wrote your own review at random. In fact, your points sound like reiterations of another anon's points. I bet that other anon is actually you just, and you're repeating yourself.

Dying Earth has alot of hard words :(

>>16994238
I read fantasy for entertainment and literary esthetics, like for any other type od fiction. Reading about someone levelling up their stats has neither of those qualities.

>>16995357
literally just read them

>>16995357
just skip them

>>16994555
C-checked....
flutter savoured

>>16993358
>implying all magic systems aren't arbitrary
Just because they make logical sense to you doesn't make them less made-up.

We reached an important inflection point in the history of fantasy last month, bros. The month Sanderson took the crown.

>>16994555
The Meat has taken the Prophet.

Sanderspren

>>16995857
All that hype in the late teens just to get styled on by based workman in the depths of the plague apocalypse.
Like pottery.

>>16996007
If anyone still thought Winds of Winter would have ever come out, the completely lack of tangible progress George has made during a time where people are being forced inside should finally disabuse them of that notion

>>16990210
That's Sterling's worst book imho. Better start with the Shapers/Shifters short stories or Schismatrix...

>browse the thread
>"Cradle, huh? It must be one of those massive series like WoT..."
>It's only 600,000 words total
Finally, something I actually have the time to read

>>16980458
I’ve been stuck on the last one in Book of the Fallen for a long time, just cause it’s dragging like a bitch. Fav characters are dead at this point too, so it’s hard to build up the motivation to finish it. Not to mention, there’s the Tales of the Empire side series that apparently has the “true” ending but I don’t think I’ll ever get to it.

man i really need something pulpy to read, something smallish in scale with assassins or a mercenary company, i'm really tired of grandiose fantasy.

>>16994921
Is...is there a book with a premise even vaguely like that?

Am I allowed to ask if the latest Joe Abercrombie book is good?

>>16996468
*screeches and hisses at u*

Is there any software that can thoroughly convert a pdf scan of a book into a formatted epub/mobi file?

>>16996508

nah

>>16991356
this is my thread if you want to check it >>535664480

>>16991356
this is my thread >>>/v/535664480 if you want to check it *

>>16984038
Get back to writing Georgie Porgie you fat pig. I have never reads one of your books but I find the idea of a writer who spends his time talking about not writing distasteful as a matter of principle.

>>16996672
I dunno if you did it that way, but just to teach others:
You can copypaste the full URL of a 4chan thread from any board into the reply window and it will automatically turn into a crossboard link

"It's so bad"
-Kaladin

>>16996688
oh nice tip dude

>>16996413
Go read erotica my man.

Shitspren
Coomspren
Buttsexspren

Jasnah's engorged breasts attracted several lactationspren

>>16996719
Instantaneous bestowable shardplate is the raddest shit, don't even (You) me.

>look up at the halfway point of a novel (3 chapters, nearly 200 pages)
>barest hints of a larger plot
This is wild. There's only so much of Mallory wandering around alt-London and being beset by thugs that I can take.
On a different note, is there any fantasy akin to The Last Samurai, where new or foreign technology is brought in and decimates the traditional warrior people who refuse to adapt?

>>16996800
Where would you say so search?

>>16989153
>>16990171
>>16995879
Despite his shittiness, did Esmenet love Kellhus?
Despite his Dûnyain autism, did he love her too?

Waldo Rabbit series is good
Please read the books
Thank you

>>16997499
No she didn’t. She even realizes she doesn’t at the end of TTT, but now that he knocked her up it was too late. I wouldn’t say Kellhus loved her either, it’s more like he didn’t want to give up his favorite toy, or something like that.

>>16993641
My issue is there is way too much focus on things that are totally out of his power range

>>16996413
kinda.
never read this but ive been told this is basically monster girl quest the book.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/228059

>>16997591
I agree but book 5 when? I wanna know what happens to his mom and his brother.

>>16995476
>I read fantasy for entertainment and literary esthetics
And I'm sure all 3 or 4 books you've read in the genre have been very nice.

>>16995782
The idea that you need a "magic system" is part of the autism I'm talking about. There's no system in classics like The Once And Future King, being told how many mana points Morgan le Fey had would be ridiculous.

>>16998271
And if anything, having no structure or basis for your magic is even more arbitrary than systems and rules. "These people do appropriate magic when the plot requires because that's their character" is infinitely less interesting than magic users with weaknesses and limitations explicitly set out.

>>16997499
if she did she definitely stopped around some time thelli died.

the books seemed to try and push that he was in love with her and she was his darkness or whatever but i never bought it

>>16997499
she definitely did when she though akka was dead

>>16998271
We get it, you have no imagination.

>>16998344
>>16998369
I think you guys have exemplified the issue I have. You can't seem to think outside the box that fantasy needs video game style rules to be interesting or enjoyable. Do you really read Titus Groan and wonder how many EXP points Titus had accumulated?

>>16998344
>is infinitely less interesting than magic users with weaknesses and limitations explicitly set out
It's not interesting per se. That's just your autistic opinion.
All those "rules" effectively do is manage suspense and force a plausible outcome. It's the equivalent of "the hero has only 2 bullets left in the chamber and there are 5 enemies alive". You think you know what the moves will be, what weaknesses will be exploited but in truth the writer can pull anything out of his ass as he sees fit (see Super Saiyan levels).
I think you faggots have played too many video games and watched too many card game tournaments. The system and rules are just an extra unnecessary step since a good story without rules and systems can still be interesting and suspenseful.

What to read? Bakker's TDTCB or Cook's The Black Company?

>>16998463
>>16998507
>I can't understand that limitations and framework are inherently more interesting than convenient deus ex machina
Projecting pretty hard with those autism accusations friends.

>>16998667
>using big words and still fails to substantiate his opinion
If the classics have taught us anything is that there's no need for a system.

>>16998705
>NO U
Did the classics teach you that too?

>>16998463
When people talk about magic systems they're usually not literally talking about xp and mana points though, it's just a way to make us understand what a character can and can't do in the story, even if these assumptions end up falses.

>>16998726
You're probably one of those retards who whines about Gandalf being too inconsistent. Just admit you like puzzles and fantasy sudokus.
The might of the Gods, the magic of fairies and wizards, the power of oracles, the skill of heroes, etc. have never been fully logical or systemized. You think some autistic gem counting power level crap is somehow more interesting that stories that have been inspired and been imitated for centuries.
>this thing I like is just inherently better
Fuck off, midwit. They interest you because they appeal to your autism and your taste in videogames.

>>16998765
Implicit limitations are fine but you're just describing a tabletop game when you need to know that a character has a scroll with the XYZ runes in an upside down triangle arrangement and he's been trained to the third level of spellcasting in order to shoot a fireball.

>>16998837
You've escalated the debate from magic to the entire scope of every fantasy story ever written because you actually have no argument. Plenty of fantasy exists without concrete "magic" at all. And in every case when magic is involved (as the original discussion went), it is more interesting by design to have a character you're not sure can overcome the limits of their power than wondering what ass pull the wizard is gonna have to mcguffin his way out this time. Prove me wrong.

>>16998842
I think the fact that you have to make up deliberately overblown examples instead of actual ones kinda shoot down your point.

>>16998860
You'll have to prove why any of that is better.
So far you've used "infinitely more interesting", "inherently more interesting", "more interesting by design". You're just cycling the phrasing between empty statements thinking they mean anything. This is why you're a midwit.

>>16998598
bakker imo

>>16997237
The point is the wandering and the worldbuilding. The plot is an inversion of a Benjamin Disraeli novel.

>>16998892
>thinking opinions are objective
And all I hear is a simpering dweeb who can't even pretend to defend his position that I'm wrong without condescension and memespewing. But you do you boo, I'll just be over here with better opinions than obstinate contrarianism.

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