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was Mohammad really the messanger of God,given order to insruct arabic tribes and propell them to a strong government?

>> No.16979990

>>16979911
>was Mohammad really the messanger of God
Yes

>> No.16979997

>>16979911
Yes

>> No.16979998

>>16979911
Yes

>> No.16980027

>>16979911
Yes

>> No.16980028

>>16979990
>>16979997
>>16979998
Bible insructs not to trust prophets,even when they perform miracles?
is islam compatible with Christianity?
is islam a universal religion,like christianity; or time and people specific religion like judaism?

>> No.16980035

>>16980028
Yes

>> No.16980051

>>16980035
>>16980027
>>16979997
>>16979990
elaborate

>> No.16980055

mohammad is a false prophet. the true successor to jesus was Mani but they tried to erase him from history for being too redpilled

>> No.16980066

>>16980028
>Bible insructs not to trust prophets,even when they perform miracles?
“I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him“ [Deuteronomy 18]
>is islam compatible with Christianity?
Christianity is corrupted form of Islam.
>is islam a universal religion,like christianity; or time and people specific religion like judaism?
Yes. Qur'an is the message for all mankind until the Day of Judgment.

>> No.16980082

>>16980066
>more Islamic bullshit
The Qur'an couldn't even get inheritance right.

>> No.16980097

>>16980066
The Deuteronomist prophecies, like every prophecy in the Tanahk, has been conveniently interpreted by Christians to refer to Jesus.

>> No.16980202

>>16979911
A stinging warning to all people who criticize Islam is that one day they may not be able to feel so free to do so anymore. Either in this world or the next, their mockeries will catch up to them.

>> No.16980205

>>16980055
If he was the true successor he wouldn't have been erased. There have been many false prophets, you can tell they're false because they never manage to actually make an impact. Their lies don't withstand a breeze.
Bible says: "You will recognize them by their fruit." To call the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) "false" is wrong because of this alone. For what are his fruits? He was sent as a mercy to the world, that people should live according to piety, justice, honour, dignity and respect. That the rights of all creatures are upheld. That God alone is worshipped, and no partners are ascribed to Him.
This is Islam in its true form. And before cherrypicking bad behaviours from Muslims, know that Muslims are not perfect, but Islam is.

If this is not enough: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."(Deut 18:22)
In other words: A false prophet is known by making false predictions. Muhammad (peace be upon him) predicted many things which have come to pass today and which would have been impossible for a normal 6th century Arab to know.
Among them is the global reach of Islam, the rise of the Byzantines after their defeat, the conquest of Egypt by the Muslims, the construction of tunnels in Mecca, the construction of tall buildings higher than mountains... and many more.

>>16980082
Yes it does.

>> No.16980223

>>16980205
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/98rpd8/qurans_mathematical_errors_in_inheritance/
Qur'an 4:11 - 12, 4:176

>> No.16980234

>>16980223
https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/there-are-no-mathematical-errors-in-the-verses-related-to-inheritance-in-the-quran/

>> No.16980236

>>16980205
>If he was the true successor he wouldn't have been erased
it's not as simple as that. gnosticism was buried in history by virtue of the need for the roman empire to have a christian orthodoxy. christianity as we know it was a careful political construction over many centuries.

>> No.16980242

>>16980234
Kek, fail.

>> No.16980267

>>16980223
>>16980234
>>16980234
We should let the readers of this thread decide for themselves.

Sura 4:11-12
Allah commands you regarding your children: the share of the male will be twice that of the female.1 If you leave only two ˹or more˺ females, their share is two-thirds of the estate. But if there is only one female, her share will be one-half. Each parent is entitled to one-sixth if you leave offspring.2 But if you are childless and your parents are the only heirs, then your mother will receive one-third.3 But if you leave siblings, then your mother will receive one-sixth4—after the fulfilment of bequests and debts.5 ˹Be fair to˺ your parents and children, as you do not ˹fully˺ know who is more beneficial to you.6 ˹This is˺ an obligation from Allah. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

4:176
They ask you ˹for a ruling, O Prophet˺. Say, “Allah gives you a ruling regarding those who die without children or parents.” If a man dies childless and leaves behind a sister, she will inherit one-half of his estate, whereas her brother will inherit all of her estate if she dies childless. If this person leaves behind two sisters, they together will inherit two-thirds of the estate. But if the deceased leaves male and female siblings, a male’s share will be equal to that of two females. Allah makes ˹this˺ clear to you so you do not go astray. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of all things.1

>> No.16980280

>>16980234
Embarrassing read.

>> No.16980290
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>>16980234
>https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com

do you really expect people to take you seriously?

>> No.16980301

>>16980290
Cope harder faggot. One person posted reddit and you were silent, the other posted a based apologist website and you got your panties (that's what crosscucks wear nowadays to be lgbt friendly) in a bunch.

Faggot.

>> No.16980308

Can any muslim answer me this question:
What makes Islam different from Mormonism, except that its older and somewhat more succesful?

>> No.16980322

>>16980234
>there is not a single title without some form of a spelling error
Lmao

>> No.16980335

>>16980242
>>16980280
>>16980290
>>16980322
Not an argument

>> No.16980341

>>16980322
>>16980290
>>16980280

How about you address the actual content hmm?

>> No.16980355

>>16980322
>>16980322
More gems:
https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/what-is-mankind-created-from-2/

https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/is-the-time-for-ablactation-thirty-months-of-two-years/

https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/is-there-no-penalty-for-rape-in-the-quran/

https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/why-do-animal-and-fruit-names-not-belonging-to-the-arabian-geography-doesnt-indicated-in-the-quran/

>> No.16980357

He was horny after a loli, she got stockholm and caused a rift immediately after he died. He failed hard and got BTFO

>> No.16980361

>>16980308
muslim's had a big empire

>> No.16980370

>>16980357
your cope is delicious munafiq

>> No.16980371

>>16980341
How am I supposed to adress the actual content if I can't understand what this guy is trying to debunk? Please explain to me what the site says when they talk about the following:
>“The Qur’an is Pure Arabic, But Why Do Some Words in the Qur’an Are Not Arabic?”

>> No.16980375

>>16980370
im not coping but you sure are seething

>> No.16980393

>>16980371
Lazy claims get lazy rebuttals, now try again without crying.

>> No.16980399
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>>16980361
So did the mormons

>> No.16980414

>>16980393
Explain why Allah mixes up Mary and Miriam, even though they lived over a thousand years apart. I will convert to Islam if you can convince how this is supposed to happen.

>> No.16980416

>>16980399
They even got a functioning desert instead of a retarded one.

>> No.16980422

>>16980399
what's the connection between deserts and meme religions?

>> No.16980440

>>16980422
They have nothing better to do there. Also, anyone that is not a complete retard will not live in the middle of the dessert, leaving only low IQ dessert dwellers there, who can be convimced by any con man.

>> No.16980533

>>16980414
COPYPASTED FROM QUORA:
yaaa UHTiiii means any woman/ sister from Adam’s- Eva’s lineage(the only lineage of humankind). That distance between Moses and Jesus of 1400 years means nothing, people knew even for Adam, knew for all main prophets and used to give their names to their kids. أختي

In OLD WRITTEN ARABIC, we didn’t have VOCALS(i,e/a; vocal “u” in Arabic is similar as w(vav) so that “U” at start is not same vocal as in other languages, but here it is as throat u’ with apostrophe). OLD Arabic didn’t contain vocals(i,a/e) while writing it. That is the main reason this confusion came to the topic. At the moment Muhammad (pbuh) told this voice of God to people, it was written as UHT only. A person who wrote it knew what it is about, but people who would read it after it couldn’t know unless they would ask the prophet for an explanation. This is why in many Qur’an books today we have somewhere written UHT/A and somewhere UHTiiii. IN ORIGINAL QUR’AN it is ONLY UHT(cos written Arabic had no vocals a/e and i) .

At that moment, somebody wanted to humiliate Mariam by knowing that honor was EVERYTHING to her. The perfect way to do that is to knock her down by comparing her with the sister of HUMBLE H/ARON. Allah swt wanted to stress importance of HUMILITY and that was the reason she wasn’t called as “sister of Moses” cos H/ARON is the best known for his humble attitude and that is why he is chosen to be a companion in propethood along with his brother Moses who was more strict than him.

ALLAH wanted to remind on arrogance cos a heart with a pinch of it will not be accepted in Paradise. We must clean ourselves from it in any life situation no matter how insignificant it may seem.

It is not even material language mistake. I say many times, original Qur’an doesn’t exist on internet.

I’m not here to pursue my ideas on force, to push it on people’s eyes. We are all gonna die, but it is my duty to tell this even after I know I will be pulled down cos I don’t deny possibility it is truth.

Note that even some Arabic dictionaries are confused in this matter mainly because not every dictionary is written by language expert who is excellently introduced in Islam. At that time, in tribe of prophet Muhammed(pbuh) this is how he used to differentiate verbally a blood sister from sister in humankind. He didn’t fool himself, didn’t make any mistake, he knew exactly what he was talking about.

>> No.16980586

>>16980533
Why can't you arabs write readable sentences? Also, do you realy believe that this explains anything?
>In Sûrah XIX, Maryam, 28, 29, we are told that when Mary came to her people after the birth of our Lord, they said to her, "O Mary, truly thou hast done a strange thing.O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of wickedness, and thy mother was not rebellious." From these words it is evident that, in Muhammad's opinion, Mary was identical with Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron!
Tell me, why does the quran alledge mary to be the sister of moses not only once, but THREE times? The only explanation that makes sense is that mohammed confused miriam and mary (which have the same nam in arabic btw). So much as for the "perfect book".

>> No.16980600

>>16980586
What's your question here? What are you looking for? I can't help u if you don't want to see, so ask your question and i'll anwer.

>> No.16980628

>>16980600
Why does allah not know the difference between miriam and mary? Answer that question, clearly and not with some bullshit incoherent qoura qoute.

>> No.16980648

>>16980628
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Quran-say-Imran-is-Marys-father-and-Aaron-her-brother-Isnt-it-a-grave-mistake-in-the-Quran

this post explains it but it's too long.

>> No.16980661

>>16980628
Now explain the contradiction. Prove that they are not the same person using the bible.Kthx

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>>16980533
There's a hadith where Muhammed is actually asked about this and he gave a different response. He said that it was common for people to take the names of people from the past. If Muhammed and his companions interpreted it that way then I don't see why we should try and use linguistics to get around it.

>> No.16980677

>>16980666
Well, yeah, the problem really resolves itself then.
I don't see any issue with either explanation as they both make the christian accusations backfire on themselves.

>> No.16980688

>>16979911
Is this movie good?

>> No.16980723

>>16979911
>Mohammad really the messanger of God
Yes unless you believe the crap Christcucks spouted about Prophets not coming with swords crap

>> No.16980727

>>16980648
There is zero proof of any of that, not in the bible and not in the quran. It simply does not make sense that Mary is called both the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Amram, not once but three times. It doesn't happen anywhere else except with Mary that she suddenly gets some special names.


>>16980661
Mary's father is specificly stated to be Joachim, not Amram. There is also no brother called Aaron of her that gets mentioned. You realy thought that that was a smart reply, huh?

>> No.16980744

>>16980628
Isn't it because the Quran loves using Moses and his family as parallels to other figures?

>> No.16980763

>>16980727
Qur'an: unchanged
Bible and Torah: changed 100 times

k

>> No.16980784

>>16979911
>was Mohammad really the messanger of God
No

>> No.16980796

>>16980763
It realy is impossible to argue with you retards, is it? So you want to tell me that the bible was changed in such a way that marys father is not Amram, just so they can in the future try to disprove the quran (which has other errors btw)? Damn, you guys are worse than any sect I have met, it's funny how you can't produce one good argument but still think that you have a good point. I guess thats what happens when you only marry your cousin.

>> No.16980811

>>16980763
bootlicker

>> No.16980840

>>16980796
I knew from the getgo that you were just another faggot trying to deboonk Islam. Funnily enough your diseased kind has never succeeded, quite the opposite: Islam is in the West now and it's right in your face (based), and it isn't going to leave or change like crosscuckianity did