/lit/ - Literature

Good riddance

>>16968181
The delta is people who read pulp fiction and picture books that have now fully transitioned to watching Glee and Big Bang Theory.

I'm actually surprised the number is only that low.

>>16968226
>16968226
It's much higher, something like 2/3 of Americans didn't buy a book in the last year

>>16968181
All trends continue indefinitely

Remove the smut, the YA fantasy and the partisan political crap, and it's only like twelve people reading in whole country.

>>16968235
I mean i have gone a year or more without buying a book but it doesn't mean I don't read.i just pirate most of my media

Good. Mass literacy was a mistake anyway.

>>16968181
Having my hobbies become more niche makes me look cooler so hooray!

>>16968250
That is why the west is fucked over so badly, in Japan you don't need to pirate because you can't and because books are cheap enough that you don't need to. I can get books from Edo period for like $10.00

>>16968272
>The west is fucked because of piracy.
Nice try Disney

>>16968278
Yes it is you fool, the reason why you will get in the pod and eat the bugs is because you don't own anything and you WILL be happy

>>16968272
Books are cheap in the West too or at least in my country. I just pirate because its convenient.

https://www.wxyz.com says 27% didn't read a book last year. That's a 10% increase in ten years. You are being facetious.

>>16968225
This. For me, reading fiction is not reading a book. Except some rare exceptions like 1984 or brave new world.

>>16968426
those are pretty embarrassing exceptions unless you're like 15

>>16968181
Why y'all niggas read anyways? No point in it.

>>16968272
What is this "books are expensive in the west" meme I've seen it before and it makes no sense. I can get most books used for under $10. Unless you mean antique books printed in the Edo period which fine but that's irrelevant to being able to read them

>>16968181
This stat doesn't account for population increase. The percentage of people not reading increasing does not directly reflect a decrease in actual number people reading.

Wallstreet journal went from a college vernacular to high school freshman in the past several decades.

The bar for law schools have been artificially dropped since Vietnam in order for US soldiers to avoid getting blown to bits. It was a political move by academics opposed to the war. Grade inflation really took a turn here.

American antiquity barred blacks from reading the Bible. Ironically it's the book that has all the magic in our history.

Big American public education has a daddy named John Dewey and there has always been a protestant Christian frame of everything we've done from the ground up. The 60s 70s removed it.

The Biblia texts themselves have been dumbed down hardcore for English since Scottish King James.


I digress though, Charles Spurgeon with all of his linguistic flame
quoted African church leaders as a favorite with a particular anecdote. An African priest would do a 123 ABC method. READ PRAY DO
So simple no word vomit.

>>16968278
Learn to read. He's saying they bring the piracy on themselves due to mediocre availibility (how many towns don't have a bookstore now?) and insane pricing -- unless it's a primo engraved-with-gold-filligree volume I shouldn't be dropping 32 dollars for it.

>>16968453
>"those are pretty embarrassing exceptions unless you're like 15"

the less "Americans" who read the better

>>16968181
I'm expected to believe 3/4ths of any population has read a book every year?

>>16968466
>>16968311

I don't know what kinds of books you are buying but for my field of scholarship they are usually mediocre and cost ungodly sums of money, there is almost no reason to purchase English language work given the mass availability online coupled with scarcity and artificially high pricing. Most academic publishers push the cost to libraries since they know that no normal people are going to be buying them, only elites and university libraries.

>>16968511
It's a literal feudal tier social system, what these anons have said

>>16968477
>>16968484

is what I'm talking about

>>16968509
kek

This is the best case scenario. Publishing industry is controlled by zionists and needs to die. Literature will be unshackled from their propagandistic hold and given back to the people

>>16968181
Reading sucks

https://www.statista.com/topics/3928/reading-habits-in-the-us/
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/29/24-percent-of-american-adults-havent-read-a-book-in-the-past-year--heres-why-.html

hello from russia bros
> used books are mostly 1-5$, 5$ ones are fine hardcovers
> if it's a really rare or sought-after book that some resell scum is asking 10$+ for, just pirate it. 95% of books are available through plain google search
as for "new book" stores, those are for faggots and women. i only went there once in the last year to cough on aisles i hated the most and left without buying anything.

>>16968426
If this is bait it’s amusing, if you’re serious then you should probably go back or kill yourself.

>>16968181
I guarantee you that the actual figure of people who don’t read is higher.

Imagine if you said "I didn't watch a single movie last year". They would think you daft.

>>16968785
Film is a more powerful media I guess.

>>16968803
It's a passive media. It's easier to consume.

>>16968181
>>16968265
Yeah, this.
This is a good thing for us.

How do we get people to read again, bros? I'm donating about 20 books to little free libraries around different towns today.

>>16968426
Lmao

>>16968181
funny how that number basically mirrors latino population growth

>>16968477
what the fuck are you talking about? the bible was literally the only book slaves were encouraged to read and sundays were the only days they were allowed to travel

Yeah and?
Mass literacy and the democratization of art was a mistake. The masses will always prefer bread and circuses, we open our museums and libraries and they would rather watch honey boo boo or read Harry Potter.
#MakeReadingElitistAgain

>>16968757
i've always felt like russians have a unique reverence for both books and reading, even your average violent mutant blatnoy

>>16968181
Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.

>>16970150
museums were always conceived of as a mass spectacle. even the great princely collections were assembled with an eye for public display. it's impossible to unyoke collecting from a mass audience

>>16968426
Horrific bait. KYS

People lie on these surveys all the time. If 3/4 of adults are reading 1 book a year (almost certainly bullshit) then they're all old people.

>>16971900
A questionable survey is more trustworthy than the opinion of one 4chan poster

>>16970065
It's very hard to get any adult to change their behaviors. Readers usually start when they're kids, even if it's Goosebumps or something. They have to know that reading has the potential to be as fun as anything else, before they get to school and books become homework and unfun. Most people never have that Goosebumps moment, and books are always connoted as being work and unfun.

So, all you can do personally, is try to affect children in your life, whether they are relatives, or children of friends. Give kids books for Christmas. Read to them. Talk to them about books. Make sure books become a childhood memory that sticks with them, as all impactful childhood memories do. Just like religion, you gotta convert the kids.

>>16968181
The books they did read are even more embarrassing.

>>16970141
In different points of time sure.

>>16968181
Hey, more for me!

>>16968265
The problem is mass illiteracy coupled with universal suffrage

>>16968474
Are you retarded?

>>16968474
thank you for explaining to everyone what percentage means

>>16968477
>Big American public education has a daddy named John Dewey and there has always been a protestant Christian frame of everything we've done from the ground up. The 60s 70s removed it.
John Dewey was an atheist and democratic socialist.

>>16968757
Should I learn Russian, Russian anon?
I'm not a burger. I'm attracted to East Europe lately.

>>16972009
it's one of the most widely spoken languages, there are far worse ones you could learn

>>16968498
he's right though

>>16972037
What I mean is, does Eastern Europe and Russia have some culture left or is it as pozzed as burgerland and the parts of Europe who are subject to Burgerland?
I'm completely serious, I'm starting to think America is drowning every other cultural beacon with propaganda.

>>16972102
really didn't like this is where you were going with this. in that case I don't care, do whatever you want

>>16972124
You are misunderstanding, I am in love with certain things about Russian and Eastern European culture. I know it sounds petty but I really have a desire to know if this isn't just a legacy I'm in love with.

>>16968265
The argument against mass literacy is obsolete in the wake of mass media which is able to transmit propaganda even better than print, without any of that pesky intellectual stimulation or work.

>>16972148
what's the difference as long as you're enjoying yourself? you want to learn russian, learn russian. I doubt you have the mental strength to go through with it anyway, considering how equivocal you are.

>>16972102
That depends. Define 'culture'. What interests you?

>>16972155
I want to move
>>16972156
paintings

>>16972172
>I want to move
hm. well I could give you the whole armchair analysis based on the little but critical amount of information you've given me so far, but what's the point? before long this thread and these thoughts will be archived with the dust of the internet. learn russian, don't learn russian. a tree in the forest.

>>16972172
Go to St. Petersburg, visit a gallery. Westoids who want to move here are usually misinformed on many things, such as culture, Russian government's views on nationalism and traditionalism, Russian economy, etc. Though, if you're content with getting a superficial simulacrum of these things, then go for it.

I was going to say i was surprised by how low the number is but i guess the number is probably heavily skewed by people who had to read for classes

>>16972226
>Westoids who want to move here are usually misinformed on many things, such as culture, Russian government's views on nationalism and traditionalism, Russian economy, etc.
That was the whole point of asking.
>little but critical amount of information
Not due to laziness, I'm intentionally vague.
Feel free to say anything, anyway. It's not like my decisions hinge on a few posts on the internet, I'm doing a bunch of reading.

>>16972243
I could see people reasoning to themselves
>surely I've read a book's-worth or more of words over the last year, so I will check "yes". Shouldn't I receive credit for all the reading that I did?

>>16968474
Retard

>>16972261
Not a Russian, but a eastern european. I would assume that Russians are a bit more trad than my people, but the state of east eu culture is basically the same as western culture in the 2000s - the "world as a shopping mall" worldview. Everything at the high level is directed according to western maxims, all of pop and mass culture is western imports (hollywood etc) or domestic forms of western entertainment (for example slavic rap etc). Broadly speaking, our artists are also mimicking all things western, writing about the western world and western themes in as western a way as they possibly can. The real difference is that this cultural hegemony, though no less real than in the USA, is far less uniform in eastern europe. It's very easy to find political and cultural dissidents of various types in a way that it's hard to do in the west. The "liberal status quo" has only been a status quo for 30 rather than for 300 years.

>>16972184
Хoлoднoe

>>16972305
>the state of east eu culture is basically the same as western culture in the 2000s
That's far better than I expected. I hope I'll find something like that when I come visit, and then I'll try to stay.
Honestly I'd rather fail to live in an environment that is still alive than thrive in something as dead as the place I live in right now.

>>16972434
Do you consider 2000s western culture "alive"? I don't know, for my part I am worried about my nation. I just hope that my parents get to pass away peacefully in a normal country and things don't get too bad until then.

>>16968463
Fuck you nigger! Did you read that?!

>>16968426
then why do you read phillosophy?

>>16972102
go to radio.garden

check around russian radio stations. spoiler: they all sound like american radio stations. that's really all you need to know.

>>16968181
this board makes me wish that percentage was lower

>>16972444
>Do you consider 2000s western culture "alive"?
Relative to 2020 culture? Holy shit yes.
>>16972502
I wouldn't extrapolate my opinion about a whole chunk of the world from a single internet website's choices in music.
20 years back is better than right now. I need people with some heart left.

>>16968181
Its closer to 98%

Did they ask english students or something? Lmao.

>>16972305
Hungarian here, can confirm that eastern europe is basically the west but 20 years behind and a bit too poor to completely drown itself in western degeneracy just yet. Not that it won't with either time or enough money.

>>16972544
>Relative to 2020 culture? Holy shit yes.
Anon, that doesn't really say much. It's barely been ten years and we've already come this far. This paints a pessimistic picture for us eastern euros as well.
>>16972637
Blackpill gang. I am still hopeful that things can change, though. First thing is to confirm how the world will look after the pandemic.

>>16968226
It gets skewed by students who were forced to read something and people who are lying.

>>16972151
this. books are just inconvenient for this end and harder to obtain. i personally would not care about the format whatsoever if it were truly obsolete, but for quality information not to mention good fiction books are the only option. 'informational' blogposts, websites, and videos are all dogshit and error-filled compared to a proper book on the subject.

>>16968287
>don't own anything and you WILL be happy
this

>>16968181
Ah yes, the clear pattern that goes
~10
~15
~15
~20
100!

Americans will claim they read a book if they listened to a 5 minute summary on youtube

>>16968265
Based and redpilled

It's way higher than 23% already. I haven't read a book in probably 10 years. The only person I know that reads books is my mom. Nobody actually reads outside of academia, they just buy books they want to show off on their bookshelves.

>>16974448
extremely stupid post, but i still kek'ed

this is all bullshit. The number of "people" who don't read is going up because society is filling up with spics and nigs, its the spic-nig cycle. The population was 90% white in the 70's

>>16968181
I will

>>16974509
white people don't read either retard and if they read more in the 70s its because there were no home video games, no internet, and tv was shit until the 80s, but because they were white

>>16968757
>used books are mostly 1-5$, 5$ ones are fine hardcovers
Forgot to mention that average wage in Russia is like, 50$, so yeah

>>16968265
cringe and retard pilled

>>16974509
It’s not connected to race, idiot. The Japanese and Koreans read less than spics.

>>16968477
Is wsj still worth buying despite the drop in quality?

>>16974674
What the FUCK is wrong with the Angolsphere

>>16974732
jews

>>16974502
very unbased solipsistposter / potential rube and daughterfucker

>>16968181
only 1/5 isn't bad. would have expected it to be way more.

>>16974732
India does enough reading for us

>>16968287
>the reason why you will get in the pod and eat the bugs
Funny considering these things started in asian nations that you wanked off a few moments ago.

>>16974674
Never ever do people here read around 1h per day.

>>16968498
This is lit, not Goodreads

>>16968181
All those cheering this on are retarded. They still do plenty of reading, but it's just reading shit on twitter and FB instead. A nation full of retards subservient to woke silicon valley corps isn't a strong one

>>16975143
Not the person you replied to, but that's they're culture, they enjoy it.

We've never eaten dogs, bugs, bats etc etc

>>16968521
Just visit Amazon and look at their suggested books. All very gay, pozzed and woke.

At least pulp magazines aimed at Proles in the 20s/30s were based.

>>16970173
Jonathan Bowden had some good insights into the Russians and Dostoyevsky. I can't find what speech it was from, unfortunately.

Good. Reading is gay.