/lit/ - Literature

>>16967400
welcome to globohomo. Leave your culture at the door.

>>16967434
Shitting up the streets for ideological reasons is one thing, and the people who build these streets normally don't have to live in them.
Is it really the same with libraries though? Is everyone involved with the planning of a new library or a library renovation a cynical asshole who has no contact with and no responsibility whatsoever towards the people who actually work in it/use it?

Different building standards and different budgets

>>16967400
I generally don’t spend my free time judging the interior design in public spaces.

>>16967467
People unironically think that left is modern and good and stylish.
I personally prefer the left ones, but most people don't

>>16967510
People unironically think that the right one* is modern and good and stylish.

>>16967505
Do you never sit in libraries? Doesn't it affect you, the space around you?

>>16967488
They recently renovated my local library to make it look like it was on the right, whereas before it was a relatively cosy old building. A massive budget went into this.
It's not a matter of budget, in many cases at least. Look at the bottom right in the OP image. Is that budget efficient?

>>16967400
been in plenty of both and the lighting is definitely part of it, newer ones often have bright white lights which make things look more sterile
plenty of people still like the left but the difference is no new library being built will look like that, and some that do will be renovated to look like the left

>>16967540
*renovated to look like the right
as in older buildings will be renovated into the right

>>16967400
Its more that the one on the left are expensive as shit to build. in the past everything it was handcrafted anyway and wood was a relatively cheap material.
most publicly invested money these days has some sort of pressure to be spend 'efficiently', so doubling/tripling the cost of the building just for nice wooden railings isnt gonna pass.
architects are expected to design something pretty within the constraints of efficient construction methods and cheap materials, leading to something like bottom right (which despite being kinda clinical is pretty at least)
I do think its a shame that there is very little place for money 'wasted' on pretty details anymore, i suppose its just sort of the inevitable with capitalism's necessary obsession with efficiency

>>16967563
Would using wood, not ornate, carved wood, but just wooden planks, would that be so much more expensive?
Would using the same materials as they do now but using darker, warmer colours be so much more expensive?
It seems like budget can't entirely explain what's going on. There has to be some deliberate effort to turn libraries into hospitals, the question is if it's because they actually are comfortable in such an environment or if it's for more nefarious reasons

you don't know right from left but feel entitled to recommend books. /LIT/ 2020

>>16967632
This, although you have to remember time is a factor. Remember the world we live in, we constantly need to be producing more and more shit so they look for things that they can build quickly and requires little to no craftsmanship. Like the other anon said, leave your culture at the door. The wood thats done on those left building require more styling and while wood certainly isnt that expensive, everything is deliberately placed and molded together. The libraries on the right look the way they do because they can just smack down large piece of what they need, maybe make a hole or two and call it a day.

>>16967679
There isn't a recognisable cross in any of the images, so there's no way to know where right and left is.
>pic related, Mother Mary on the right

>>16967516
>>16967553
/lit/ doesn't know left from right anymore, we have broken the sub 90IQ average barrier.

>>16967563
i've got a feeling traditional buildings being more expensive is a bit of a meme when pic related is what a +60 million dollar renovation looks like

>>16967400
it used to be brown and now it's white. i thought that's what you faggots wanted?

this cost 85 million

>>16967434
>>16967516
>>16967788

>>16967788
>when the shipping container didn't have enough structural integrity and collapsed, but it's okay because you can add windows in the cracks and call it architecture

john rylads library cost 200k pounds to build in 1900. about 32 million USD today.

>>16967563 is right. It's not that people prefer the right, but the one on the right is simply cheaper to make.

here are your colors, bro

>>16967766
Peak Onions™ aesthetic

are you feeling comfortable yet?

why don't you sit down and have a nice read?

the curves make it look organic, trust me

>>16967906
>Faglitteratur

>>16967906
It must be particularly bad in Europe. Burgers didn't have much of a culture to begin with so it's kind of understandable, but imagine building a library with green walls and "fagliteratur" on it in Germany. Why do Germans tolerate these things?

>>16967990
huh, it's norwegian for non-fiction

>>16967400

I marvel at them both from my destitute backwater hovel
Truly choice is the greatest luxury known to man

>>16968023
Figured as much, but just because it's not faggot literature doesn't make the aesthetic any less absurd.

>>16968027
Show us your hovel, anon, so that we can appreciate our globohomo reading factories

>>16967400
>uncomfortable
There is nowhere to sit anywhere on either side. The "hospital" look is cheaper to build and easier to keep clean. Also I like that there is more natural light in most modern designs.

>>16967434
>comparing a church to some random apartment building

>>16967809
I don't get your point? Go to the nice part of any city during lunch and it looks more or less the same as that pic

my local library. this cost 17 million.

>>16967400
Antiseptic design and LED LIGHTS!!!

*BLECH*

>>16968096
>this cost 17 million
It looks like a communist trailer park

>>16968052
The light modern version has a bit of a problem; some bookspines fade because of the direct sunlight.

Which of course is really only an issue with the less popular books.

>>16967890
Fruit-Roll-Up bar and grill?

>>16967860
Looks like the early 1990's, a set from Clarissa Explains It All.

>>16967788
Legit looks like a grounded ship from BABYLON5.

>>16967434
....in the same city? Why call it an apartment, just call it a man-box.

>>16968052
>The "hospital" look is cheaper to build and easier to keep clean
The idea of running cultural institutions with the most minimal budget possible is indicative of a deep social illness.

>>16967400
The stadium design on the right is genuinely funny...and all the books even have confectionary colours too, did you notice that? It's like you're just there to consume literary popcorn, peanuts and cotton candy. The best element is probably the camouflage-book design along the stairs and ceiling.

>>16967847
Is this Neo-Gothic?

>>16967400
Another thing I was curious about shows in your picture. The books themselves are different. The ones in the left have mostly the same look. There are different types but of each type there are many. The books on the right seem to be completely random in shape, size, color, etc. I was wondering if people who own nice libraries get all of their books custom printed and that is why they all have the same look?

>>16968283
Before digital printing, book covers tended to be much more plain. It's just a matter of the books on the left being older than the ones on the right.

Totally agree with you OP. I have never felt comfortable in one of these modern type buildings. I wish something like the left pictures even existed around me. I would love to see it.

>>16968305
I see, it's a shame though because I think they look so much better on the left.

>>16968362
Digital printing and its consequences have been a disaster for graphic design.

>>16967906
>Faglitteratur

>>16968096
I could build that for a million

>>16967400
NEW BAD!
OLD GOOD!

>>16967400
Modern libraries are soulless. Most people don’t even read the books, they’re just there for the computers. I’ve walked through the bookshelves at my university and often don’t even see another person

>>16968599
This but unironically.

>>16968096
Your local library looks so much like my doctor's office I had to double take.

>>16968599
>give the exact reason why I don't like the thing that happens to be new
>no mention of it being new and the other being old as a part of my point
>NOOOO YOU JUST DISLIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S NEW

>>16967400
There's an awful school of thought in library circles that older looking libraries are "intimidating". There's also a problem of vision vs execution as in the case of Edmonton's new library >>16967788

I will say at least the Edmonton library has some really good resources you can draw on and use. The newish Calgary library looks nicer, but is more limited in its functions. Overall I think we need rich eccentrics to make 19th century style gentlemen's subscription libraries again to complement the public system.

Modernism sucks in general. I'm so lucky I still have libraries like the left in my city. The ones on the right make me not even want to pick up books from there.

>>16968209
It's always "muh tax dollars" until it comes to the one thing you actually like, huh?

>>16967434
globohomo is peak western culture dipshit

>>16967400
the left one is racist and backwards
the right one is, like hospitals, based on science and progress

>>16969978
BASED

>>16967400
The libraries on the left obviously look more comfy (though the one with the books behind cages is silly), but honestly 90+% of university libraries I've seen are somewhere between the two and look like pic related.

>>16968052
think the church away and compare again.

>>16969990
Why do you trad architecture fags want everything to look like a fucking gingerbread house

>>16969932
Yes, exactly.

>>16968069
>but the NONWHITES, anon

>>16970042
Brazilians can't be white even if they're fair-skinned

>>16970024
why live in some minimalist scandinavian dumpster when you can live grandly in a building that inspires awe and make you feel grand as well ?

go design your gulags in africa

>>16970042
>>16970030

>>16968110
Capitalist trailer park

>>16969932
Yes. I would very much prefer my tax dollars be used for the purposes I support. That's why I have a vote in government and a legal right (and moral obligation) to kill fraudulent tax collectors.

>>16970024
I just want a beautiful new age of Modern Mannerism, is that so much to ask?

brutalist libraries are the most comfy

>>16970106
Brutalism in general is top-tier comfy.

>>16967434
>>16970024
Literal wooden huts look better than soulless concrete rectangles

>>16970106
>>16970114
t. either no soul or soul broken by 20+ years of brutal communist regime

>>16970056
>why live in some minimalist scandinavian dumpster
I don't have a fucking CHOICE. City buildings here give me the fucking heebie jeebies. It's all fucking open spaces and windows and sunlight and hyper-green plants and white and white and white and white and more window panes and more white and clinical, cold flourescent light, and people staring at you and people not staring at you but still a lot of people because it's so fucking OPEN.

>>16970139
Brutalism is 100% better than the postmodern bullshit you see in >>16968096 and >>16967788 .

>>16970139
brutalism refers to raw concrete not actual brutality, brainlet

>>16970155
yes, we should make our urban spaces into horrible rats nests of flammable materials so that some autistic kid with no job doesn't feel upset when he goes into the city once a year

>>16970106
I hate brutalist exteriors but they are unironically great to spend time in. Usually large windows and lots of space. My college had one and as depressing as it was to look at it in winter I still studied there way more often than our prettier gothic library.

>>16970169
I can agree, but that doesn't say much.

>>16970178
I am aware. Whether the similarity to the word "brutal" influenced me to describe commie regimes as brutal or not, we will leave that open.

>>16970218
Even though we're working with different languages (English, French), even if you take 'brutalism' just mean 'raw,' you end up with a word that still has multiple meanings. 'Raw' can be synonymous with 'brutal' in English, after all.

This is why neoliberalism is the best ideology. You still get the high standard of bourgeois living through free markets, but with contemporary tastes instead of wanting every building to look like a haunted house.

I like when the two are merged and blended
This being one example

>>16970450
I don't think we're including home libraries in this thread, Butterfly. And I don't think that a public library would have an eames lounger out like that.

>>16967400
It's cost

Modern buildings cut down on details to drive costs down. Everything is premade modules being put together. Soulless like our society has become.

>>16970197
Based. Least they could do is accomodate for me.

>>16968599
You could easily make something like left in 2020. You're the only one bringing up age

I honestly don't care and wish there was a half way decent bookstore within 150 mi of me.

I wish the ridiculously rich cunts we allowed to get ridiculously rich would start libraries Carnegie style or by subscription, with an architecture more interesting than this.

Instead, it seems they care about going to the moon/Mars, helping starving Africans, or getting even richer.

>>16970450
I, of course, never expected Butterfly to have good taste.

>>16967906
>Faglitteratur

>>16970470
I don’t have any ready examples.
I think we’ve rushed past the stages between more classical and so-called modern architecture, and have been stagnating for far too long. A lot of the ugliness comes from cost cutting prefab junk.

>>16967532
>Is that budget efficient?
In terms of design, no; in terms of materials, absolutely. Still soulless, but soul isn't a part of any equation when discussing finance.

>>16970106
i love this as well. it must be nostalgia for my old library. I don't know how else to explain why its so damn comfy

>>16970663
I take it back, this is actually pretty nice. Please forgive

>>16970663
>I think we’ve rushed past the stages between more classical and so-called modern architecture, and have been stagnating for far too long.
In general I agree; I actually think that modern architecture can be very nice, though the postmodernism that has dominated from the late 80s or so is not at all to my tastes.

Some cheap pre-fab junk can be fine (first thing that comes to mind is the ubiquitous Ikea POANG chair), though obviously most of it is shit.

>>16970892
Agree

>>16968096
I hate this stuff that looks like something straight out of a cad program. Just seems lazy like they drag and dropped some random textures and colors onto it and called it a day.

>>16967400
>are ornate, hand-carved, comfortably-lit spaces made of high-quality natural materials more pleasing than concrete, plastic and steel with harsh lighting?

Gee op I dunno.

>>16970106
Soul.

>>16969988
These uni libraries aren't so bad because they're straight utilitarian. Shelfmaxing. Table maxing. Equiment maxing.

The worst are all the Apple-Store libraries being posted itt. These are trying for a deliberate aesthetic with materials and lighting that are inherently inherently anti-human. Soaring, open spaces in a building made of uncomfortable shit just highlights how ugly it is. These libraries only need to be a quarter or an eighth the size.

Why are they so big and expensive? To funnel money from taxpayers to real estate developers. When you see something like pic related you are looking at government corruption. The crooked contractors who slap these things together are cargo-culting elegant postmodernism. In reality very few postmodern designs are elegant.

>>16967400
The key to learning to like modern libraries is to not base your impression of them on cherry-picked examples of shitty modern libraries.

>>16972618
exactly, the brutalist interiors are always very densely packed, and made in a way to minimize sound like cutting the slats in the walls etc. that shit you posted looks like it's loud as hell as noise echoes all over the damn place

>>16972625
the one they used for that weeknd video is another highly comfy one

>>16967809
I'm brazilian and I see this image being shilled everywhere, here's a picture from that time. Brazil was already a shithole.

they took this from you

>>16967434
Culture is a meme.

>>16972625
This is good because some materials are natural and the lighting is comfortable. There is wood. There is stone. Where there is a wall made of crappy industrial material it is covered with art that looks like natural rock.

The ceiling is ugly. The reflective glass around the central box is displeasing. The central box itself isn't that great and it irritates the mind as it highlights the wasted space: the books not present because there's nowhere to put them.

TL;DR: everything good about this building is classical or organic. Everything bad is industrial.

>>16972653
The very worst part of all of them is the lighting. It's like a MacDonald's. Or an operating room.

they want to destroy every beautiful thing

>>16972706
>memes bad
Why are you here?

You don’t want carpeted floors in a warehouse for homeless men and indigent children

>>16972715
When jews take over your nation your icons get clasted.

Any craftsmanship is dead in architecture ,thats the thing.every ornament is crime.Maybe with parametric design and good taste we can achieve intricate,beautiful design,but the materials wont be wood or any natural stuff

while not exacrtly a library, the umass fine arts center is ultra comfy brutalism and a sick skatespot too, although it looks like some assholes filled in the once empty reflecting pools with "green space" shrubs and shit, still dope tho

>>16967434
>>16967906
>>16972692
>>16972703
>>16972715
I know it's a meme that us burgers don't have any culture, but wow Eurofags' culture is going to shit. It's like they hate anything that's aesthetically pleasing.

>>16972724
Homeless men and indigent children were welcome in all the great cathedrals of Europe. What stopped them from shitting on the floor and pissing on the pews? The beauty of the architecture and fear of the consequences.

>>16972747
See >>16972723

>>16972757
Italian futurists didn't festoon their buildings with all kinds of gaudy tchotchkes.

>>16972692
>>16972703
Who? Allied bombers?
>>16972715
Who? The Soviet military besieging the building because the Nazis used it as a stronghold?

>>16972709
>Everything bad is industrial.
That library is a rare book and manuscript library. All the "industrial" aspects of it you find displeasing are what are keeping its contents alive. Even a retarded trad architect should be able to appreciate this.

>>16970125
Cozy. Would live in a wooden hut with a handful of books.

>>16972787
And the majority are ugly. Clean & smooth elegance is hard to do right. Most ape it. Badly.

"Tchotchkes" carved by hand from wood are beautiful. Even if the quality is low, the human touch is pleasing. Many of these modern libraries are full of "civic art": things designed in a CAD program and produced by industrial cutters and injection molds. You're right about those "tchotchkes". They're awful.

>>16972849
Literally nothing in that picture is the climate-control system.

>>16972709
>Where there is a wall made of crappy industrial material it is covered with art that looks like natural rock.
The wall is made of translucent marble. It's the building's best feature imo:
>the façade is constructed of translucent veined marble and granite. The marble is milled to a thickness of 1.25 inches (32 mm) and was quarried from Danby, Vermont. On a sunny day the marble transmits filtered daylight to the interior in a subtle golden amber glow, a product of its thin profile. These panels are framed by a hexagonal grid of Vermont Woodbury granite veneer, fastened to a structural steel frame. The outside dimensions have "Platonic" mathematical proportions of 1:2:3 (height: width: length).

>>16972872
This is postmodern architecture done reasonably well. The smaller space and the spare design elements that remind you of natural water are pleasing. The lighting is appropriate. It reminds you of being in a stream-cut cave with none of the discomforts of a cave.

Then you wonder how you're going to get a book from the top shelf and the pleasure collapses. Also, if the camera were moved to head height the mirror effect would become a lot less interesting.

>>16972625
>learning to like modern
this is the problem in a nutshell imo. buildings are imposed on the people who use them. 'learning to like' should be relegated to things you seek out like obscure jazz sub genres or period blood painting.

>>16972915
Oh, even better.

>>16972927
What they've done to that castle is a hate crime.

>>16972919
>Then you wonder how you're going to get a book from the top shelf
Those are rare books not intended to be accessed willy-nilly. A good design feature imo.

>>16972942
Are less-valuable books on the bottom?

>>16967434
>globohomo
Dribbling mental midget detected

>>16972872
how the fuck can architects justify flushing 2000 years of traditional architecture down the shitter because moldings and plaster aren't "honest" or "functional" and then create shit like that? and that is infinitely better than atrocities like >>16968096 >>16967920 >>16967788

>>16973015
kek

>>16973015
So trad. So based

>>16973008
That staircase ruins everything

>>16972927
>>16972938
>NOOOOOO you can't keep your old valuable manuscripts is a climate controlled space, NOOOOOO! Think of the "castle"!!! (not a castle) (not damaged in the restoration) I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!!!

>>16970106
Honestly yeah. I wish I was sitting in a brutalist uni library in 1971.

>>16970450
>>16970663
Based butters.

>>16972692
It's true the Victorian building looked better but it was still overdone and tat.

>>16972978
Good stuff.


I like the school from Tanaka-kun is always restless for a modern library design.

>>16967766
Carpet is the most wretched part of the whole thing

>>16968245
Take your meds

they do it just to watch white people seethe

>>16973076

>>16973200
Bingo.

>>16967563
>>16967852
Cheap is only true in certain cases. Simple pomo brick and glass libraries, like those in the US, or concrete and glass libraries in Europe, may be cheaper. By and large, however, big modernist architectural projects like libraries get into the hundreds of millions due to creative environmental engineering and gimmicks like waterfalls and skylights. Due to modern machinery and low demand, handcrafted materials are not so expensive and traditional buildings can be made rather cheaply. My uni built a collegiate Gothic library for just 15 million dollars. The modern art museum, nearly half the size, was 30 million because of drama with the architect.

>>16973215
I always assume it's a fat kid posting these.

>>16967400
It accomplishes the erasing of history and demoralization of everyone who walks into the building

>>16967920
I only intended to lurk this thread, but holy shit!!! That is retarded how can one be sooo fucking ignorant unintelligent - where does it stop?!?!! These bends makes the space convoluted, impossible to see width of available books, plus an added feeling of disorganazitation in the style of a bad hallucinatory trip, or a funny house. Gooood damnit

>>16967632
>Would using wood, not ornate, carved wood, but just wooden planks, would that be so much more expensive?
>Would using the same materials as they do now but using darker, warmer colours be so much more expensive?
>It seems like budget can't entirely explain what's going on. There has to be some deliberate effort to turn libraries into hospitals, the question is if it's because they actually are comfortable in such an environment or if it's for more nefarious reasons
Most types of wood are acidic.
Not only is the wood acidic, it can off gas acidic gas.
Acidic gas is not good for books, since the acid will cause the paper yo go bad.
Old varnishes etc. are also problematic, because in humid weather, they can sometimes become “sticky” and cause other problems.
Lacquered steel tends to avoid these issues.
Steel shelving is usually also way more adjustable for different sizes of books, so can be used more efficiently.
The metal is also used for “fire” “Safety” reasons.
Adjustable wood shelving has been made, but has mostly been replaced with steel, and the steel usually works better.
Larger open floor plans with moveable bookshelves can also be easily redesigned for other tasks, or different types of shelving, in case rolling shelving is desired for more storage.

>>16967847
>john rylads library cost 200k pounds to build in 1900. about 32 million USD today.
You realize inflationary calculators are sometimes incredibly wrong don’t you?
If you go by the value of a gold sovereign(worth £1 sterling in 1900) then £200,000 is just under $80,000,000 today.

>>16967920
>the curves make it look organic, trust me
I like these shelves.
It makes it feel like you’re surrounded by books.

>>16970106
I concur.

>>16970892
>Some cheap pre-fab junk can be fine (first thing that comes to mind is the ubiquitous Ikea POANG chair), though obviously most of it is shit.
The original Poang chairs were actually slightly larger.
They were made smaller for shipping or price reasons.

>>16967809
the 1950's were literally a dystopia. The war cost so much people were eating gelatin. Not to mention the trauma of strict gender roles you will likely deny

>>16973664
so? that's still on par with the average large library built or renovated today. the point was that building in a classical or vernacular style doesn't automatically cost astronomically more purely because it is decorated and looks nice. sure the raw materials may initially cost 10-15% more than their equivalent in steel and reinforced concrete, but that extra outlay pays for itself with lower maintenance and a longer lifespan due to the inert qualities of traditional materials.

>>16973295
Damn.
They still have a lot of nice old buildings there though.

>>16967400
>Worked in Library back in highschool
cut us some slack pal, at least on the east coast of America we try and have a library for every town. I've been to many, many libraries and some are nice while some are humble but they all provide something great. Free knowledge. The beauty of a library is how anyone can read a book. In my home town where I worked the intelligent but nutty homeless would come in every day and read the classics at the tables or debate politics. We had our towns historical records (which I was in charge of) saved and ordered. Most don't care about us or our history but it's ours just like it's our library. That is what makes even the most humble one special.

George Peabody Library, Baltimore Maryland

>>16967400
Modern architecture is different from classical architecture because they're operating under different paradigms: in the classical era labor was cheap while construction materials were expensive, in the modern era skilled labor is expensive while materials are cheap. Modern architecture is about as pretty as it can get within the constraints of using mass produced materials.

>>16967400
You need to have them bright and open so the homeless have a harder time to find a spot to sleep.

>>16974123

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/the-old-cincinnati-library-demolition-1874-1955/

>>16974149

>>16972681
looks 1000x times better than today tbf

>>16974209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roi5V8ppi7Y

>>16970663
kys tranny

>>16974191
love roman style brickwork. crazy that they used to always cover it with plaster or cladding.

>>16974235
i wonder where the entrance is lol? the design of my local library is so bafflingly convoluted they've had to plaster A4 sheets with written directions and arrows on the floor everywhere because nobody could find their way in or around the fucking place.

>>16974340
The pic shows the main entrance but the building is huge so there are others.

>>16974057
Kind of looks like the Old Post Office Pavilion.
Gilded age is a kino aesthetic.

>>16974347
and i'm sure they are all ordered within a hierarchy so the public can find their way in and around the place without difficulty. one of the overlooked functions of moldings and ornament.

>>16972618
I like how they space the stairs out so that you have to go on an obnoxiously long, circular walk to get to the top-level. Imagine if you were getting ready to leave and then remembered that you wanted to grab a reference book you saw at the top floor, and then you had to cuck walk all the way over there.

>>16972625
>cherry-picked
Like the ones you're posting? One of the ones I posted is actually my library

>>16967400
They’re all open. Lots of space. The introvert in me abhors this, I want to hide and be hidden amongst the shelves

>>16972747
oh, but it's not actually "Europeans" that let Europe go to shit.

>>16972978
As an old-library-lover:
this one is comfy af. Would study in. A new library done well. What library is that?

>>16967632
Shouldn't they build hospitals the same way too?

>>16972735
>ultra comfy brutalism and a sick skatespot

Fuck off yank

>>16973230
Post picture

>muh cost
this is a meme. modern libraries cost anywhere from 100-300 million or more depending on the ego of the architect. pic related was built in the bronx in 2012. it came in 30 million under the 104 million budget. modern designs often massively over shoot their budgets since they need to push the envelop so the architect can stay relevant. although no a library, the sydney opera house took 15 years to complete costing more than 14 TIMES the original budget. over 1 billion dollars in today's money.

>>16974123
It hurts.

>>16967809
>we're living in dystopian world because of ugly libraries!
>now I can go back beating my stay-at-home wife into a pulp after running over a black child my flaming new cadillac
>truly a utopia
people in here have no sense of history

>>16975300
Based. Looks nice

>>16975399
Shutup you mong

>>16975399
Now your kid can become a self hating tranny at school whilst you and your wife work for pittance and then get jewed by another financial crisis. Then your local politician imports voters and you have to move neighborhoods, again.

>>16974449
Nah, 'art-moderne' is the best

>>16967400
>MODERNITY BAD
There's literally no problem with the libraries on the right, maybe you should leave your room and spend some time in one.

>>16975411
Then your tranny daughter gets you cancelled by your local institutions for not being bipoc LGBTQ friendly enough

>>16970563
There are secondhand shops here that have more books than the (magazines, office supplies, scratchcards and books stores) do.

A halfway decent bookstore; oh yes PLEASE!

am always glad to see conservatives seethe over "muh lost beauty" like some jaded post-romantic wanker
bow down to the master

>>16975419
It's a small ish business office from the 30s. Imagine what could be possible now

>>16975433
>I designed inherently anti human, soulless architecture to own the conservatives haha. Take that!

I'm sure big business loves you. Adopted a refugee yet?

>>16970106
Seconded. Feels like reading in a post-apocalyptic stronghold. Miss my days silently crying in a cubicle thinking about my ex gf, trying to go through unreadable 20 pages secondary lit, just to put it down and read some novels.

>>16973215
The YES. meme must be the cringiest meme internet culture decided to spam this year. I always figure it to be stored somewhere in the neurons of morbidly obese people being proud of their poor choices

>>16973295
>demoralization
please stop

>>16975461
What could be more demoralising than an ugly, modern, culture-void waste of money?

>>16975458
Seethe harder. It literally originated here.

If you think that's bad then I don't know where you've been because there's far worse. E.g. YouTube comments

For example;

Me:comments on le 4chan
You: replies
Me: it's free real estate!!!

>>16972625
I've been to this library! And there are sections of it that are very post-modern.

>>16972625
You don't need to cherrypick. Very few modern designs are done in an appealing way. The opposite goes for "traditional" designs. That's because modernism is naturally unappealing and inhuman.

>>16975531
"Trad" buildings have survived hundreds of selection so only the best stuff is still standing. The ancient Greeks would have thought Gothic or Rococo designs were unappealing and inhuman too.

>>16975556
hundreds of years of*

>>16972942
Ah, so you make the rarest books the most likely to be damaged on the rare occasion they're pulled.

>>16968283

those most likely are encyclopedias, or how you call it in english... the entire opera of a certain author, or an entire collection on a certain topic....

for example... collection of all the operas of philosophers from antiquity.... or medieval medicine... or modern literature... or collected operas of italian poets...

they still print shit like that... and i have a few... but its for rich and PASSIONATE people... not faggots that stay on 4chan and live in tuna boxes in nigger infested cities where space is more valuable than water.

>>16975447
Yes.
And I'll build a neo-futuristic monolith in your backyard and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's not just cost or because of the architects, it's actually the city councils that are to blame for this when they are purposefully greenlighting projects that are not looking remotely like it's in line with some sort of tradition
You could easily imagine what Notre Dame would look like if Paris' town hall had a say in Notre Dame's reconstruction project

>>16970106
Based Brutalist Libraries

>>16975573
The books are accessed from above. They can't fall anywhere.

>>16973088

this would work with NO electronic devices allowed... otherwise it would get infested with consooomer bugmen signaling status and browsing instagram... not mentioning the thots

>>16975581
The fact that I find libraries like this one max comfy automatically debunks all the trad architect retards

>>16975585
>No book has been damaged when someone grabbed it off of the floor, especially when they can't grab it by the spine.
I'm sure there is some 3 step process to prevent possible damage, but there is no way that the process to pull that book is less awkward or more reliable than grabbing it by the spine off of a shelf.

this cost 250 million dollars and most of the "books" are literally just pictures of books printed on aluminum

looking for a place to read forever in peace? join our space crew and you'll never have to worry about earthly woes.

just be with us!

>>16975609
>Tuianjin
soulless nips

>>16975606
This is about beauty, not reliability and efficiency. The building has contingencies in place for the scenario you imagine anyway.

>>16975619
The beauty of a library comes from its purpose. If the books shown can only be accessed through a needlessly elaborate process the beauty is needlessly diminished.

>>16975577
>not faggots that stay on 4chan and live in tuna boxes in nigger infested cities where space is more valuable than water

Lol where are you from? Italy?

>>16975578
>I'll

Stop Larping you gimp

>>16975639
The purpose of those shelves are to protect rare books. In being difficult to access they achieve their purpose, and are thus very beautiful according to your own rubric.
I don't like this idea that efficiency = beauty anyway; very Anglo way of thinking.

All this modernist bullshit came about because painters got eternally buttblasted over the invention of photography.

>>16975663
Based bowden-poster

>>16975662
>I don't like this idea that efficiency = beauty anyway; very Anglo way of thinking.

Not true

t. Anglo

>>16975121
Hospitals having the ghastly white look is a modern thing too, of course. But the whiteness, as far as I understand, serves the same purpose as labcoats or toilets being white. Dirt becomes much more visible, which is good because hygiene is important in these places.

>>16975399
>why yes I did learn history from screeching progressives and Stephen Pinker, how could you tell?
>Btw they used to believe the world was flat and killed Galileo because of it
okay

>>16975556
This reads like a modernist larp.

>>16975662
Efficiency isn't the point, a tall and grand shelf with a rolling ladder set into it is not the most efficient way to store a book, but the method of storage does not interfere with the purpose of the library. The book is there, along with the means to grasp it. Those shelves are built around a gimmick, and any protection they provide is inferior to the protection that could be provided on a flat surface. They inspire an onlooker to wonder at how much of a pain in the ass it would be to look at the rare tome before them or if storing the book tilted like that puts an awkward seam in the middle where the weight of the pages has caused them to bow.

>>16975578
You're roof is melting, you goof

>>16968023
In this particular case it's Danish.

>>16975709
>but the method of storage does not interfere with the purpose of the library
The purpose of rare book storage is, above all, the preservation of said rare books. The integrity of the object is prioritized above its ease of access. If it inspires feelings of tedium or confusion in its observers, then this is an indication that it is doing its job properly, for rare book storage is an accordingly rare and exceptional form of storage.

>>16975761
That design doesn't prioritize the integrity of the object. A simple shelf with a case does. That roof shelf does not inspire an onlooker to wonder who he needs to talk to or what feats or references would be needed to unlock the gates guarding the book. It inspires wonder at where they store the scissorlift, or if some jackass upstairs will pull it through the floor.

>>16968023
det norske ordet er "lærebok", fag er frå tysk Fach og litteratur er latinsk

>>16975845
You are one of the aforementioned confused observers. Rare book storage is often elaborate and seemingly tortuous. Items are sometimes even stored upside to counteract the action of gravity.

>>16975874
Maybe, but redesigning an already elaborate system to fit in a weird tubular design motif needlessly complicates things further. Store the book upside down in a case suspended in a mercury bath to ensure minimum interference from the smallest of tremors if you want, but you'd be better off doing that on a level surface than in an angled box at the top of a tube while keeping the spine properly oriented to show it off to people below.

>>16975903
Well, if we never pushed the envelope we'd still be living in mud huts. (Try to) solve a problem, new problems arise. That's the human adventure.

>>16974277
>>16973028
these are both great, altough the second one seems more practical and realistic

>>16975952
Designing book storage around a trendy architectural idea that will be replaced in 20 years isn't pushing the envelope.

>>16974123
depressing

>>16975578
at least this one looks genuinely good. A rarity for modern monstrosities.

>>16968096
That's McDonalds playplace tier.

>>16973016
An anon provided an explanation in another thread:
>Be architect
>Old building is falling apart
>Asked to remodel
>Option A: Rebuild it true to history
>No one will care, no reaction
>Just becomes another standard rebuild
>Option B: Build some wacky shit
>Infinite controversy
>You will be remembered as "that avant-garde architect"

>>16975609
All the books in that picture are fucking fake

>>16976391
Explains all of modern development in media, science, education, politics, literature, architecture, art, ....

>>16976417
It's probably a consequence of decolonialization and deimperialization.
>Be 1820
>Be architect
>Get contracted to make a library
>Local count likes it
>Fast tracks me to handle all public works in so-and-so area
>Get pension + land
vs.
>Be 2020
>Be architect
>Get contracted to make a library
>Local council likes it
>No rewards because of red tape bureaucracy.
>Stuck at ~60k salary forever.

>>16976406
not all. Look closely. At head level of the front guy some are real, those on the lower level until lett lower edge of the picture there's real books. Above head level its all fake.

>>16976447
that must be it. Damn. The root of all evil. The rise of narcissistic success stories.

>>16972978
i don't want everyone looking at me while i'm browsing through the erotic manga section wtf, this library is a panopticon

>>16976391
So basically it's narcissism?

>>16967505
Pseud

>>16967400
>>16967434
I don't get why people get so angry and defensive of modern soulless shit? When someone points out how nice things looked in the past there's always a horde of weirdos coming to the defense of bland gray boxes, I don't get it.

Though in saying that, the soulless dystopian aesthetic can be appealing in the same way that the cowloon walled city was appealing despite being an utter hell hole.

>>16967434
The funny thing is, my library looks like the ones in the right from the OP and was built by the right-wing party of my city (Europe) a few years ago

>>16977483
As someone who generally does not like modern architecture, I have to say that the rundown parts of Hong Kong have some sort of charm. I think being run down has a lot to do with it though. For my western european standards, it was very messy and lively, with people hanging things out all over the place. Yet at the same time, unlike a typical shithole, one feels safe and the people were very friendly when I went.

I wonder too what provokes people like >>16968599. Maybe they had a teenage fedora phase which they never made peace with, and now think that anyone that likes something that happens to be old must be one of them.
On the other hand, there are also progressive types who have some sort of fear of the past in general, who genuinely seem to believe that all of the world was an oppressive hellhole right up till the late 20th century. I can see why they would be anxious to see people praise the beauty of things that remind of old times.

>>16977483
They did a study of America's favorite buildings.
The answers were mostly what you expect, the famous ones.
But very few modern buildings end up on the list. And architects lamented that it was because the average person isn't educated enough to know why modern buildings should be higher.
Isn't that the problem? Architecture is meant to be for the people. If I need a phd to understand it then you aren't doing architecture correctly.

>>16973982
the problem is that labor was much cheaper back then, and also many techniques have disappeared since that time. for example, skilled masonry is basically a dead profession

>>16968599
Correct.

>>16977544
It stops being funny once you realize that there are no right-wing parties in Europe, just parties less left wing than the average.

>>16972819
>Who? Allied bombers?
Vast amounts of art work and sculpture on the exterior and almost all of the interior that survived the war were intentionally destroyed during the postwar reconstruction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buda_Castle#/media/File:Buda_Castle_2365941876_12a03f263c.jpg