/lit/ - Literature

>start reading a lot again this summer
>start listening to noise music and black metal

>>16961853
funnily enough I got into reading shortly after I got into classical, I guess music just got kinda boring

Yes I remember my pseud phase rather well..desu it's not far behind me

>>16961927
many such cases

>>16961861
OP here, I also really got into this black metal album recently, check it out
https://youtu.be/pwXg-ykpRLI

>>16961951
Based and thanks, op. This is great

Silence is better than music (unless listening to live musicians as you pass by in the street)

>>16961853
It's probably related to that classical music is not catchy fast 3 minutes songs and you've developed some appreciation for slower gratification by reading.
Or >>16961927

Classical music is boring but I do love this one
https://youtu.be/4ANHQu_JbwQ

>>16961853
You're subconsciously playing into hollywood movie tropes, kinda sad.

>>16961927
this lmao

>>16962601
>tropes bad
grow up

https://youtu.be/jyG8hTT-4rU

SO CALLED «CLASSICAL» MUSIC —MUSIC MADE, APPROXIMATELY, FROM THE LATTER THIRD OF THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY TO THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE NINETEENTH CENTURY— IS BORING, BECAUSE IT IS SOULLESS; THIS TYPE OF MUSIC IS SOULLESS BECAUSE IT WAS MADE BY SOULLESS INDIVIDUALS; THE ARTISTES OF THIS EPOCH WERE SOULLESS BECAUSE, EITHER: THEY WERE ILLUMINISTS, OR: THE ILLUMINISTIC MILIEU IN WHICH THEY LIVED HAD AFFECTED THEM.

SO CALLED «CLASSICAL» MUSIC —ID EST: ILLUSTRISTIC MUSIC— IS THE ABERRANT, ABOMINABLE, TEDIOUS RESULT OF «THE ENLIGHTENMENT'S» ATTEMPT TO SET A NEW STYLE OF MUSIC IN CONCORD WITH NATURALISTIC & ATHEISTIC STANDARDS, IN ANTITHESIS TO BAROQUE MUSIC, WHICH PRECEDED IT.

>>16961927
the stuff you genuinely like during your pseud phase sticks with you like nothing else though
I've stopped desperately trying to make myself like Mahler but I do adore Schubert

>>16963293
based

I got into classical music by listening to it a lot and paying attention while I listened. I didn't like it at first because I thought it all sounded more or less the same but the more I listened and paid attention the more I began to see each piece as unique and eventually I saw the beauty.
The only thing I will NEVER understand though is singing in classical music, sopranos and tenors and all that. It's just so horrible, jarring, ear-grating. Certainly modern music improves on the human voice as a musical instrument.

>>16963304
I don't mind vocals up to baroque and some lieder but I genuinely can't stand operas, I've always had the same issue with classical desu. I've tried to get into Wagner for example but operas just sound so ridiculous that I can't take them seriously.

>>16963304
Do you not even like stuff like https://youtube.com/watch?v=ERsjRsCBlBo or https://youtube.com/watch?v=MY0eeotSDi8?

>>16962601
this, it means you're a brainlet. Your brain is so simple it thinks like this
>I read
>therefore I'm an intellectual
>therefore I like to listen to classical music

>>16961853
i love classical fellas. what are you guys listening to? i just got sheets for prokofievs 10 pieces op. 12, and have been studying a bunch of ravel and bach for piano the last year or so.
Can anyone recommend something for a a guy who has never liked any romantic or classical period stuff? the closest i get is rachmaninoff.

>>16961927
this
you start to fool yourself into believing "high art" is somehow better

>>16961853
I started reading philosophy about 2 years ago and eventually gravitated toward it after reading some philosophy of music. I find it more intellectually stimulating because it doesn't adhere to a linear structure like modern pop music, which is music meant to be danced to with others. Classical is not something to be consoomed, it is intended to be listened to in isolation and studied like you would read a book. I almost never put it on in the background and pretty much only listen to it while driving because then I devote my full attention to it and appreciate all the details.

All that being said I don't enjoy much classical beyond Classical (heh). I can't stand Romantic and anything past that I find to be completely empty of feeling. I like Mozart and Beethoven etc but my favorite is Baroque.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI74BaE0ltg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CEJkj34fbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4-QlnQHGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDofgIr3LOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bng6P118R48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32b3Gxr0Qw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZO8JfO5-_A
Vivaldi is king.

>>16963663
>Vivaldi
Soulless

>>16963304
>He can't appreciate Bachs cantatas or oratorios
Feel sorry for you honestly.

>>16963663
>Vivaldi is king.
Based. Vivaldi is the eternal midwit filter, case in point: >>16963813

>>16963864
I didn't say that Vivaldi was bad. It's just that:
1. He lacks the warmth and melodic complexity of his contemporaries like Handel or Bach
2. Much of his music tends to sound pretty similar. I forget who but I know someone said something like, "Vivaldi wrote one violin concerto 1000 times over"

>>16963262
*tips fedora*

>>16962040
extremely based

>>16963648
>this
>you start to fool yourself into believing "high art" is somehow better

>>16963813
not gonna make it

>>16963304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAafyK44fCc

For some reason this video made me realize the beauty of vocals in classical. Or maybe just the genius of Bach in general.

>>16963951
>"Vivaldi wrote one violin concerto 1000 times over"
This is the most pseud comment ever. Stop repeating this meme.
>Much of his music tends to sound pretty similar.
You could say the same about Mozart or Haydn, that's complete nonsense.

>>16964266
weve all been there before anon youll grow out of it

Baroque is so good brehs, especially the early-mid period where it has some bleed over from the renaissance era that gives it a sort of rustic feel while still having the regal elegance that defines the era

There are few things better in this world than finding a piece of literature or classical music that you genuinely enjoy

>>16963293
Mahler is legitimately fantastic though. Also there's no drive to 'like' Mahler for popularity; that's reserved for Mozart.

>>16963648
'High art' takes a lot of work. I don't share that I like it, but it's really impressive. It increases your ability to believe what's possible in the world.

>>16961927
I've been listening to classical music for years; nothing pseud about it. It's legitimately good. I guess it's pseud if you pretend to like it but actually hate it, but how could you hate it?
It's in the soundtrack of Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It can feature real artillery like in Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. It features world-class talent in both performance and composition.

It's not as if anyone thinks you're cool or intellectual for liking classic, though. If anything, it would be pseud of me to pretend to like Kanye or Kendrick Lamar, which are actually seen as great artists today, when I just don't enjoy them though their effort is notable.

>>16963648
And you’ve fooled yourself into believing it isn’t.

Based Bach John Passion playin right now:
https://youtu.be/SiKgrevzT-g?t=4887

>>16963304
What about choral stuff like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFJ4hN7vxWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw5gupbe9E0

>>16963314
Trick is not to go for the operas that take themselves too seriously. Wagner took himself and his operas WAY too seriously. Mozart's Figaro and Cosi (then Magic Flute and Don Giovanni) are where it's at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1A5YcWVNyA

Honestly maybe the best thing made by humans, but still not full of itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhKBGrQYfUI

Watch it in 20-30 min chunks or however long you feel like, don't force it. Or find a recording without recitatives and listen first, then watch. Here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSPCWSAACs&list=PLA981B7082F1AEB31&index=1

>>16964462
Great post, thank you. I haven't written the posts you've replied to, but I've also been unable to enjoy singing in classical.

Only addition I have is for people to try Gilbert & Sullivan (Pirates of Penzance, HMS Pinafore), but those feel more like musicals and feel notable for humour slightly moreso than the music (though it's still enjoyable).

>>16964349
There is literally no reason to grow out of good music.

>>16964462
man I think im going to have to finally sit down and watch a full opera one of these days, that first one with the doctor was pretty entertaining

>>16961853
You metamorphosed into a pseud. Simple as.

>>16964483
you're definitely missing out, there are some absolutely wonderful vocal works out there

these are a couple of my favorite non-choral pieces just off the top of my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eA7aDYflc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H811lltfDCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5rVSTkOsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz7E7VOShfU

>>16963262
I bet you listen to Bad Bunny.

Oh, yeah, and for people like >>16963951
who think all Vivaldi sounds the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFoT6UUNLZc
https://youtu.be/5Sj82EhiU-Q?t=326

Also, you might want a better 4 seasons recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg903HyGWFc

>>16964495
youll grow out being a stinky pseud

>>16964689
I don't think listening to classical music is some kind of intellectual experience. It's good music, these guys knew how to put the good notes together. It's that simple. Were you filtered or something?

>>16964740
If you're op then associating reading lit with a growing like of classical music betrays a desire to feel intellectually superior

>>16964652


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>>16964758
Ah, well I'm not him. I was into orchestral music long before I got into literature. Though I will listen to some light piano music when I read, which I guess might throw off a pseud vibe.

>>16964818
light piano is the absolute best for reading though because its pleasant but not super distracting

>>16963663
great taste, I love that Corelli concerto
personally this is my go to performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3smZkpqXYHs

>>16964845
Yep, that's what I've found as well. I've tried all different pieces, but solo piano is the only thing that won't distract me. Otherwise I will just end up lying there and listening to the music instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWsgnZZrZQ

>>16961853
Most of my more intelligent friends eventually acquired a preference for instrumentally focused music as opposed to vocally. My theory is that instruments allow for a vastly larger range of sounds which "engages" the brain more especially if you are familiar with an instrument. I've been playing guitar for 15 years and I can usually visualize what is being played just by listening. There is nothing to see with vocals. Vocals are also more distracting so it usually makes for inferior background noise.

Classical music is the superior taste for background music in my opinion.

>>16965018
>for background music

>>16964308
>This is the most pseud comment ever.
It's not a comment it's a quote. Evidently from Stravinsky.
>You could say the same about Mozart or Haydn, that's complete nonsense
Of course every composer is going to have their own style, or work within a certain paradigm where certain things will sound similar. But with Vivaldi the bulk of his oeuvre tends to be exceptionally formulaic. I'm not that familiar with Haydn but Mozart's late symphonies for example all have similarities but I can distinctly tell the Prague symphony from the Linz or Jupiter symphony.

>>16964452
It's pretty arbitrary once you read what people are trying to do with it

>>16965164
>>16964671
Even still, compared to guys like Bach and Handel I find Vivalid rather dull and sterile. Just compare what you posted to the emotion and nuance Bach puts into these two:
https://youtu.be/evnzhg_9frs?t=731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjEVKxQCWs

>>16961853
After starting to compose classical music I became more interested in literature

Now classical music and philosophy are my favorite things. Yes there's definitely a link

>>16962040
>covid
What a shame, I miss my old job being on the heart of downtown. I got laid off for watching porn too much at work. I was a janitor, and I'd use some guy's google cardboard to watch bbw vr porn.

>>16964379
Art doesn't impress me anymore, I just appreciate the feelings from it. For a while I'd see or hear great art and all it would do is bring great suffering. It wasn't until recently when I started to practice music more dilligently that it's all simple. Not that making good art is simple, but the things that go into it are simple. Music is a series of notes that have relevency, but those notes will always sound beautiful, even playing two intervals or even one note.

Listen to Charles Mingus op

>>16966212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiQtEDrdYDY

>>16964379
>1812 Overture

>>16966208
I'm a professional artist and I agree with you. Art is very easy. What makes it complex is people and working with them

>>16962040
based
I only listen to music when with friends.

>>16961853
Teenage hands wrote this post

>>16963648
Fuck off to le r*ddit

>>16961927
Meh, I still prefer classical music to other forms of music mainly. I only listen to music if I'm driving or lifting, and never really listen unless it's 'active' listening and not 'passive'.

Reading things more complex than YA and other shit made me appreciate 'higher' forms of art, but that doesn't mean I tell everyone about it or act any differently outwardly. But I admit I did act like a Pseud for a bit at first

>>16962040
Based, do not allow the monotony of modern 'music' to turn your brain to mush.

Many retards I have known cannot function without it and get autistic if they don't have headphones in

>>16961927
>>16961853

I agree it is just a Pseud phase. But surpassing that phase and enjoying classical music and older forms of art is even better.

Going beyond modern shite that is pushed everywhere is not a bad thing, even if you have to start as a pseud

I got into classical music because the authors I read wrote about it very poetically, Schopie and Nietzsche sold me.

>>16967133
the longer the potential pseud phase, the better the artform, prove me wrong.

>>16961861
Why is black metal the most intellectual metal sub-genre?

It’s hard to see how anyone could not like classical music.

ONCE I GOT MY DOCTORATE I ONLY LISTENED TO PYONGYANG RADIO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YadVtANecU

>>16964379
>It's in the soundtrack of Legend of the Galactic Heroes
It's in the soundtrack of several animes actually. I don't know if it's because it's public property or the Japs just really love classical music

>>16965018
>i play guitar
>classical music is background music
literal, historical pleb

>>16963304
I'll give you a hint -- they sing "funny" because didn't have microphones in the 17th century. They had to project their voices.

>Why yes, I simply do not understand how one cannot appreciate the subtle nuances of fine classical musics. Indeed, anything from Masterpieces such as Mozart’s Lacrimosa to Bach’s Toccata in D Minor. The variety within Classical Music truly confusticates me , why, did you know that Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture has Canons in it? Incredible. And the beauty of it, O deus autem Rex. I abscond any fool who would decline the transcendental powers of music over the consumeristic refuse which passes for music these days. Truly my fellow Gentlemen and Gentlewomen, we are a higher breed.

>>16967557
The faggot overt Reddit consoomer Vs the Chad covert classical listener.

Only gimps and faggots speak like that.

>>16961853
>>16961927

>not listening to Death Industrial and Experimental Noise while reading

>>16967482
Because its made by whites

>>16967541
it's wild to imagine how singers can assert themselves over an entire romantic orchestra in Wagner or Mahler without microphones.

>>16967482
>>>/mu/100057817

For me, it's Blues and Jazz

>>16964519
Yeah, it's a great production, unfortunately not on youtube anymore. Maybe worth subscribing to medici.tv for a month to watch https://www.medici.tv/en/operas/cosi-fan-tutte-nicholas-hytner-ivan-fischer-glyndebourne-2006/


This one also looks pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXCEuYL1pBU

>>16967482
furthest away from blues which is made by blacks

>>16967482
idk you tell me.

>>16963262
"Soulless" LMAO Le Epic Trad Catholic poster using Anglo memes to criticize art

>>16961853
Your attention span got longer

>>16965038
>>16967530
I never said it was strictly background music you fucking retards.

>>16964671
great recording

>>16968432
>the word “soulless” is a meme

This is your brain on idiocy

>>16967482
Because you're a midwit that listens to Metal in the first place.

For me, it's Baroque and the composer Giuseppe Tartini.

>>16969187
In art criticism it appears only with English romanticism, yet even Le Anglo Hater Tripfag is forced to use it - he nothing but a fag resentful over the fag that ALBION is the greatest nation on earth and Spain a backwards irrelevant superstitious shithole

you associate it with literary lifestyle/culture and meme yourself into believing you like it or understand it.

>>16969252
t. coping faggot that got his bullied in the pit

>>16961853
i didnt even want to listen to anything less than comfy classics and folk while and after reading Game of glass beads. hesse might be pseudy but he makes me love good music every time

>>16969795
this, genuine appreciation of art is impossible in post-modern society, you only see the sign value instead of the art itself

Arvo Chad coming thru.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ6Mzvh3XCc&ab_channel=playingmusiconmars

>>16969811
then why are you even on lit?
i never see anyone rasing such objections when discussing classic novels.

>>16969572
K, clown

>>16962075

yeah when i started edging i got really into classical music... OP is experiencing something similar

>>16966195
what? were you not cleaning enough? how do they know what you're watching? how can you watch porn in public? how are you that horny, even at work. did you not jerk of or something?

>>16969858
Nice. I like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHEjiuYBuM

>>16969811
who am I signing it to if I listen to something on walks in the forest? God? If it was just a sign, wouldn't it be easier to pseud it out with wikipedia articles about music history instead of listening? Is my aesthetic appreciation and emotion when I am listening to music on my own all a charade of my subconscious trying to trick me? If you say yes, please post Ariernachweis.