/lit/ - Literature

>>16953714
>it's another episode of a painting of mountains and trees

>>16953714
> And by "contemporary" I mean anything made after the First World War.
You don't know anything about art made after WW1, you're just vomiting back memes that were force-feed to you.
Imagine mentioning post-WW1 art and being unaware of Max Ernst.

>>16953714
To be fair, we've reached the last movement of the wheel for a while now. There is nothing more to deconstruct, no more tropes to surpass, no more rules to break, and Duchamp's toilets had already said what all these retards mumble in an echo today. I believe the next generations will come back to more technical and aesthetical forms.

>>16953714
>hating Salvador Dalí
Well, that's just wrong. How would that even work?

>>16953714
give contemporary photography a chance which is still young and emerging.

>>16953744
It's called not being a teenager

you have to understand that white people already basically won the game of culture by the time the 20th century came around, at that point the only thing an artist could possibly do to stand out and be unique was to basically intentionally do ugly/shity/unorthodox things

basically we already peaked and without the guidance of an iron fist to hold us at such heights, there's no where to go but down

ARt is super gay and for fags desu.
Every art school loser makes porcelain vaginas.

>>16953714
>this includes literature. It's so fucking infuriating to see soibois
Is OP, the well known faggot, calling Ernst Junger a soiboi?

>>16953763
Do you know many teenagers with large Dalí collections? What did they do to you?

>>16953723
>it's another episode of "this is music"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BtTneSsNJ0

>that story of an art dealer who bought a child's fingerpainting and thought it was modern art done by an adult

>>16953836
>that crooked NY art dealer that sold modern art forgeries to large collectors and only got caught when a Russian sued her
Is she still alive?

>>16953714
>anything after the First World War
But American Depression era art was pretty great. Edward Hopper, Grant Wood, Bo Bartlett, Ansel Adams, Walker Evans were all great artists.

Also, what the fuck does this have to do with literature OP?

>>16953714
>>16953836
>>16953875
You might want to look into the story of Pierre Brassau.

>>16953714
If this thread is alive by morning, I'll post my painting and ask you if you hate it.

>>16953714
name a museum you've been to and a living writer you've read or I'll eat you

>>16953714
I think some contemporary art is good, but that’s just my opinion

>>16953714
>I fucking hate contemporary art.
Complain to the management, and hear them laugh at you
Moderntards don't decide what makes art. Buyers do, just as they always did. You want to quit shitposting and take it up with some Arab embezzler, or Trump's trustfund investor, see how much of a response you get?
Didn't think so. So fuck off back to your incel blame it all on the modern word containment board.

>>16954076
>>>/Reddit/

>>16953901
Not OP but I have been to many museums, expos and art galleries across Europe and every time I got myself into a show of contemporary as well as most of the more modernist stuff such as Picasso, Rothko, Mirò etc. all I could feel was a desire to have my ticket money back.
I normally feel intense emotions when I look at art and beautiful things in general, especially sculpture.
I'm not joking when I say that modern art gives me the exact same feeling as walking into the bathroom and seeing poop that isn't mine in the toilet, except I cannot flush it. It's not traumatic, it doesn't change me or shock me, it's just unpleasant, it doesn't belong although it was put in its dedicated place, and I want it gone from sight as soon as possible.

>>16953714
You don't know anything about art.

>>16954125
This

>>16954125
at least I know how to spell it correctly

>>16953758
based and Graham pilled.

>>16953740
There's not much of a choice. What's left to deconstruct?

>>16954125
>y-you don't understand

>>16954185
Language

>>16953714
People still make good art (I consider art styles imitating stuff up until the 20th Century good, sue me). It's just not in galleries and the like. You can find it online in all sorts of places though. Just check out a site like Artstation, there's plenty of neoclassical, Baroque-style, etc. artists making good art today.

>>16953714
Art was still fine after WWI though. It wasn't until even much after WWII it got awful.

>>16954196
Are you OP? The retard who doesn't even know the difference between modern and contemporary art, which betrays an ignorance on par with not knowing the difference between prose and poetry, and thinks we're going to watch him palaver about his hot takes on art?

>>16954199
Well that's why we're here isn't it? Truth is the English language will be deconstructed, but not in an interesting or meaningful sense by a linguistic philosopher, the deconstruction will be authored by some obese negress who wants to decolonize English because its rayciss

>>16954266
Why did you have a mental breakdown while replying to me?

>>16954240
>The retard who doesn't even know the difference between modern and contemporary art
God every single time. Everyone but contrarian faggots will get exactly the same meaning when they use these terms, and you will get the same definitions when you go on the sites of the fucking museums who host the trash. Cope, seethe and dilate.

>>16953714

>faggot OP has never seen any Francis Bacon

>>16953766
bingo

>>16953714
>I fucking hate contemporary art. And by "contemporary" I mean anything made after the First World War.
You're a philistine, congratulations.

Can we just report and purge this shitty off-topic thread before OP starts yammering about beauty being dead and modern art being a CIA inside job?

>>16953714
Your idea of modern art is diseased from memes, at least provide some specific examples of artists or movements you hate.

>>16953714
I'm gonna try this. Next time they bring back the McRib I will grab one, head to an art gallery and put it on the floor and then leave.

>>16953740
Believe me there's a lot more to deconstruct as contemporary art is still very much within the metaphysics of presence described by Derrida. Deconstruction as most people know it only identifies a certain system and swaps some parts out for others -- it doesn't critique the metaphysical presuppositions that function as the base of that system and its equivalents. Things kind of went sideways after the 70s.

>>16953758
'Aesthetic' photography is kind of beside the point.

who /KIRAC/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK5zh8ZTKO0

>>16955055
How can you talk seriously about art while also putting scare quotes around "aesthetic?"

>>16953714
There is nothing more to be done with art. In fact, what we must do is exactly the opposite: anti-art. We must make art as shitty as possible.

>>16953766
It's more that the game of culture couldn't be won because the metaphysical tricks (e.g. craft) were no longer adequate at effacing the re-presentation before pure presence, resulting in a crisis of representation. People were too wise to empty rituals by this point and needed art to be something more immediate and universal.

>>16953758
Why care for such photography when it is a weak attempt to capture reality. It will always fall short of the real experience. Why even bother to go into a building to look at those pictures then?

>There is nothing more to be done with art. In fact, what we must do is exactly the opposite: anti-art. We must make art as shitty as possible.

>>16953758
I like this photo

>>16953836
Many artists looked at the paintings done by children for inspiration because it was thought their expression was less corrupted by cultural institutions.

>>16955089
no, you just need sincerity. Which never gets old

>>16955077
Did you know there's a difference between beauty and aesthetics?

>>16955117
Composition and juxtaposition can present a different perception of reality rather than to "capture" it.

>>16955089
I think people should just make good art and people should start becoming receptive of art again instead of following what is written in articles or school books, or what critics say. The issue is not with art but with people's lack of emotions.

>>16955142
How does emotion factor into art?

>>16955142
>I think people should just make good art
By this I mean that artists should make sincere, honest art that makes an attempt to communicate as articulately as possible.

>>16955140
Any juxtaposition or composition could have been experienced yourself making it inherently superior to the simple capture moment you hang on a wall.
Photography is cool and all but it actually is so redundant it becomes inferior to simple realist painting.

>>16955153
Is art communication? I don't think so. It's an object, not an empty vessel to pass messages.

>>16955150
Art is about communicating emotions, this is why hyperrealism doesn't work, a camera does not perceive things in the fractured, subjective way of people. What you paint through your eyes or dreams is still yours, and you are putting it up on display for others to see. This exchange of intimate ideas and concepts must be articulate just like language must be articulate.

>>16955150
it's the essence of any and all works of art

>>16955176
To me it absolutely is communication.

>>16955181
Is the Mona Lisa communicating an emotion?

>>16955176
>Is art communication?
Art is an expression. Receiving that expression makes the experience communication.

>>16955188
Yes? But I don't like the Mona Lisa very much. There are clearly ideas and aesthetics that Leonardo wanted to communicate that go beyond the subject and the way it's posed. A still life can express the emotions of the artist.

>>16955136
How?

>>16955129
>>16955153
Humanist nonsense. Eventually, AI will be perfectly able to reproduce "honest" art.

>>16955195
So what's the difference between a work of art and this post?

>>16954950
My first encounter with this painting was through the show Dead Like Me and I can no longer separate the two. That being said that's a beautiful painting.

>>16955204
A reproduction means it will take from a source. That source is the wellspring of what we would perceive as sincerity and emotion.

You could not make an AI that produces sincere art without giving it reference material unless you made it sentient.

>>16955198
I don't think ideas and aesthetics count as emotions.

Can someone explain why it's always uneducated right wingers who hate "contemporary art"?

>>16955204
Then the programmers are the artists.

>>16955199
Beauty is the quality of an object, aesthetics is the experience of ideas such as beauty, the picturesque and the sublime.

>>16955159
Let me give you a hint.
According to Plato, we read because we cannot possibly meet enough people.
Can you figure it out?

>>16955247
I think that the same people complaining about the shock value of contemporary art were fully supportive of MDE. The only difference is the art world seems like an exclusive club that people would still like to be associated with by some other extreme emotion.

>>16953714
Contemporary at least tried to explain itself but since the 2000's with the computer aided re-form and de-form movements faking a fight against each other there is no substance

>>16955204
Artistic choices are a product of the diversity of human experience, just like the diversity of genes is fundamental to evolution of a species. Without error in perception, genetics, flaws, etc. there would be no evolution of a species. This continuous mixing and matching is hard-wired into nature, it spans from facial features to language. If AI will be capable of simulating this flawed, subjective human perception, why is it a bad thing that AI will be able to make honest, human art? I would love to see robots do that. They would have pretty much achieved personhood, they would have an actual personality.

>>16955267
>Life is always somewhere else except for where I am reeeeeeeeee

>>16955187
alright then, explain what is being communicated. And, no offense, if you find yourself lapsing into jibberish, try giving a firsthand example

>>16953898
fucking lmao hahaha

>>16955238
The concept of emotion probably needs clarifying here. I meant subjective, irrational choices of beauty. What is it that you find beautiful. How exactly do you think a finger should taper, how wide a smile should be, or how hard a light falls on the skin, how warm or cool you perceive a color to be, how abstract should that element you are not focusing on should be, etc. even when trying to achieve realism, if you use your own eyes, you are constantly making choices. You will see several realist painters make very different choices to represent the same subject.

>>16955204
AI can defeat any human in chess. Yet we still watch chess tournaments, we still have world chess championship. Why? For the same reason we watch olympic weightlifting, but don't stand around at the loading docks cheering for cranes.

seethe

>>16955287
almost there, bud

>>16955222
Unfortunately I don't know how to answer that question. But me saying that art is expression -> communication does not mean that all communcation is art. Art is more of a one-sided indirect form of communcation rather than the direct to-and-fro conversation we're having. And while this conversation is being recorded and imbued into something outside of ourselves, that fact is not a part of our expressions. We could just as well have this conversation in person.

>>16955306
I think that is less emotion than it is justice done to the subject -- an adequate representation. The rules of craft. These things were taught in workshops and Academies, not a pure expression of the artist. And in workshops where apprentices did the bulk of the work on a certain painting and finished by the master, are they expressing what the master feels?

>>16955281
>Poo pee popo WAAA I DONT WANT TO LEAVE POMO
pomo is dead old man re-form is massively successful just look at OMA and SONNA

>>16953714
OP please name some contemporary artists who you specifically hate, preferably young artists who have had major shows in the last five years. since you know so much about art this should be easy

>>16955045
If you're not writing clearly you're not thinking clearly.

>>16955351
lil xan and juice world

>>16955293
I cannot say what is being communicated. There are artists who choose to portray the light of a sunset, or the tree under the sunset, or the sky in that same frame, each because they decided that was an element of beauty. Visual communication still needs to be articulate, but it is a language other than speech. so it cannot be expressed in speech. There are artists who portray death and pain. There is as much range in expression in the visual arts as there is in speech, it only works on a different level.
Contemporary art fails because it tries to say nothing. You look at it and you have to come up with your own emotions to project onto it, or read what you are supposed to feel about it from a book.
>>16955332
>I think that is less emotion than it is justice done to the subject -- an adequate representation. The rules of craft. These things were taught in workshops and Academies, not a pure expression of the artist.
But the greatest Academics were concerned with emotion,
"When an artist begins to count strokes instead of regarding nature he is lost. This preoccupation with technique, at the expense of truth and sincerity, is the principal fault I find in much of the work of modern painters."
It was never pure craft. Craft is mastery of expression much like mastery of the language. If art is nothing but an empty exercise it might impress, but it won't communicate much.

>>16955257
Waz picturesque mean

>>16955321
So indirect that pages and pages of art crit have to be written about the actual meaning. If it's no good at communicating then is there any reason why we would prize art over a 4chan post? The 4chan post is more economical and universal.

>>16955434
>The 4chan post is more economical and universal.
If you print out a 4chan post and print it out and tape it to a wall on its own, how is it any different than taping a banana? In what way does it say anything, unless it has actual, literary value (in the sense that the post itself, without context, without the framing, communicates with the viewer/reader)?

>>16955293
>explain what is being communicated
This is an astonishing thing to say. The more I think about it the less your comment makes sense. First off, exactly zero times in the history of mankind has any expression been received fully by anyone. It's the prison of consciousness, we try to reach others through many means. Language is one. Physical intimacy is another. And the whole world of art is as well. We wish to connect and feel like we truly understand one another, but we can never fully reach it.

Being on the receiving end of any expression does not guarantee any kind of understanding or connection. But it's still an expression. If I write to you in another language you wouldn't be able to answer your own question in regards to something as straightforward as language. Is language and words and sentences communcation? pfft then explain what's being communicated: μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος -- checkmate, atheists

>>16955482
NTA. Yes but there is value in the distinction between the fact that I do not understand what you have written because I do not know Greek, and not understanding it because you wrote complete gibberish that nobody will ever understand. That part to me is of course gibberish, but you are still communicating in an articulate way what you feel. If there is no intention to communicate and it's just gibberish, you are not really doing literary work, you're just typing gibberish.

>>16955387
>concerned with
doesn't tell me a lot about the role of emotion in art. Vasari for sure valued the depiction of emotion and psychological states of figures in painting, but I don't think they are conduits of the artist's emotions in all cases.
By craft I don't mean disegno in the classical sense but having the form of the work follow the metaphysical rules of depicting what is proper to the subject. Decorum. It's why the inquisition would question the addition of drunk German soldiers at the Feast in the House of Levi, or why Michelangelo's nudes in the Sistine Chapel would have clothes painted on them.
Absolutely nature is important, but not the expression of the artist as nature (or Pollock would be more liked), but an imitation of its systems, according to metaphysical rules (phusis)

>>16953714
>And yes, this includes literature. It's so fucking infuriating to see soibois reading literal gibberish and thinking it's deep.
Go ahead and name the top 5 shit contemporary books.

>>16955414
Probably better to read the wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picturesque

>>16953714
Funny how different we are.

>>16955509
Sure, and in my opinion all art are (or contain) expressions. If there is no expression on the part of the artist, it's not art no matter how much it looks like it. And expression is a very broad term I might add.

>>16955475
>In what way does it say anything
You answered that in your first sentence.

Because "hey, dude, go run face-first into that barbed wire or mustard gas cloud" is so poetic and deep.

Very artistic.

You're very traditional and have great values, anon.

Any Philly anons here? Any of you who also hate all things modernist? I recommend, no, I insist that you check out the PMA if / when it's open, and go to the Duchamp section. Just explore it. You will make a discovery. Don't look up info before you go. Just go. And don't worry, no one's gonna shove you into a urinal and call you a nerd. Because there are no urinals there, except in the men's room.

Tfw you realize modernism got its start before WW1.

*ponders the existence of literal gibberish in a deeply fragmented and ephemeral world*

>>16955666
Not so fast Satan

*ponders Jesus fucking Christ on a bike*

Note: I like Jesus.

*ponders whether Jesus fucked Christ on said bike BEFORE WW1.*

*ponders if this is consistent with LDS beliefs*

how about we all just post examples of great contemporary art to BTFO of these retarded right winger /pol/ tourists once and for all

>>16955732
fuck yeah, let's do it
... you start

>>16955732

>>16955732
Uhh...

>>16955732
Ummmm...

>>16955732
Here's some art

>>16955732
Onetti, García Márquez, Levrero and Umberto Eco.
But I'm still waiting OP to post the contemporary books he dislike.

>>16955774
and what do you like about these fellows? what makes them great?

>>16955732
this photograph >>16953758

>>16955732
how about we report this thread instead

>>16955802
>how about we report this thread instead

>>16955732
Otto Dix, Shock Troops Advancing, 1924

>>16955632
Read Jünger

I went to the State Museum of Art in Copenhagen. The centre piece of the contemporary section was a couple of garbage containers. Very deep stuff, very compelling. OP is right.

>>16955792
>Onetti
I got a collection of his short stories and they are really interesting specially for the feeling of people wandering around. Extremely human.
>García Márquez
I got his book expecting JoJo in Latin America, but the feels got me. Really beautiful.
>Levrero
I dislike metalanguage, but The luminous novel is so unique that I suggest to anyone who doesn't know the guy. The book gets better when you have the context of when he wrote it.

>>16955834
Half-Life 2 concept art completely mogs this lame shit.

>>16955908
oh, you mean the half life 2 concept art that was released 80 years afterward and is completely derivative on the intervening period of modernism, postmodernism, and pop art? fucking grow some historical awareness, objects don't arrive in vacuo

>>16955940
Yeah, I mean exactly that. Half-Life 2 will go down as one of the greatest artistic achievements in humanity. Your gay lame art is gonna be forgotten.

>>16955952

>>16953714
Jeez look at these retards thinking something in an art gallery is suppose to be art

>>16955940
Half-Life 2 was revolutionary retard

>>16953758
I spy a dotted nigger

Bro you just dont get it bro

>>16953772
>Art is super gay and for fags

/thread

>>16955959
>some literal WHO painter who painted shit like every other lame painter
>A crowning achievement of a new and exciting 3D medium that went on to flourish an entire creative community of modders, leading to a literal billion dollar industry that everyone in the medium models themselves after

Cope harder, dildo.

>>16955966
>a pair of the glasses left on the ground by accident is art
you probably don’t understand why these people are being mocked and that makes me feel sorry for you. you’re so conceited that you think that something that is so common and ubiquitous is deep and profound. I bet you’d ponder a gum stain on a sidewalk you fucking dweb

>>16955984
>>16955971
literal garbage, take your pepsi drinking cheeto smacking le-EPIC-face posturing dweeb asses back to >>>/v/ or >>>/trash/ fucking normie faggots gtfo im so tired of these crossposters REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16956017
Quit coping over the fact your medium is long dead, and is only seen as a joke to the greater populace. Maybe you can get into money laundering one day if you know the right people.

>>16955999
yeah i take it back
now that i think about it i see glasses accidently left on the floor all the time

>>16956030
>your medium
nah, i write, something you wouldn't know about. go back to your second screen soma, pluggednigger

>>16956055
I'm a better write than you.

>>16953714
theres a piece on the wall
the only guys looking at the glass is the one taking the picture, and the guy taking the all the out of context pictures to go post LOL modern art for internet points