/lit/ - Literature

>>16951169
who do I read to understand him

>>16951169
He was right about nothing.

>>16951169
My respect for his ideas ends at his laughably naive criticism of jazz.

>>16951176
Nothing preps you for Adorno desu. Just sit down with minimal moralia and read each aphorism until you understand every sentence of it. He is unironically a genius, and his writing style is a testament to that fact despite it's initial difficulty. Chances are, once you actually get through one of his books(without half assing it) you'll never want to touch another 20th century thinker ever again.

>>16951169
just listen to cling clang atonal pling plunk music so your soul can feel at ease, hearing music that is just as a l i e n a t e d as you are, anon

>>16951169
>WANTING TO BE MONOGAMOUS MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO GET MARRIED MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO HAVE CHILDREN MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO OWN THINGS MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>BEING HETEROSEXUAL MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO BE WITH YOUR OWN KIND MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>BEING RELIGIOUS MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>BEING DISGUSTED BY DEGENERACY MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING A STATE WHICH SERVES THE INTEREST OF IT'S PEOPLE MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO BE PHYSICALLY STRONG MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING TO PROTECT YOURSELF MAKES YOU A FASCIST
>WANTING EVIL PEOPLE TO BE PUNISHED MAKES YOU A FASCIST

YES.

>>16951598
He didn't say any of that. He did say that being a homosexual makes you a fascist though.

>>16951169
Imagine thinking that Schoenberg was the pinnacle of musical culture, and that Sibelius was banal and trite.
I don't understand how anyone can take the miserable hacks that are continental philosophers seriously. Their sole existence depends on the existence of a critical mass of gullible students educated beyond their intelligence.

>>16951169
Adorno's output is extremely broad and no single book will give you a true overview of his thought. Just pick up whichever of these seems interesting:

>minima Moralia
>aspects of sociology
>dialectic of enlightenment
>philosophy of modern music (read after doe)
>critical models: interventions and catchphrases
>metacritique: against epistemology
>any of the musical biographies
>any of the lecture series

Aesthetic Theory and Negative Dialectics are hard mode and shouldn't be approached until you've read at least the corresponding lecture series and some other stuff

>>16951979
>Imagine thinking that Schoenberg was the pinnacle of musical culture, and that Sibelius was banal and trite.
Adorno never said anything like this. In fact, he considered Bartok and Berg superior to Schoenberg

>>16951929
>he didn't say any of that

His entire book was about proving a link between self preservation instincts and strength instincts and being an authoritarian.

He's correct, the only people in life who survive past being a dead junky in a ditch have an internal AUTHORITY, not an internal "lol who cares"

"""Fascism""", Monarchy, Authority are natural ways humans express deep strength which permit us to thrive into the future. Every other mode of thinking leads to personal and collective failure and decay.

His work is meant to make will to strength appear as a mental disorder when it's just nature and infact a very good thing.

>>16952016
Auth. Personality is just a shitty study no one takes seriously; it's not indicative of his PHILOSOPHY.

>>16952011
but he did dismiss Sibelius(rightly so obviously)
Did he actually like Bartok? I didn't know that

>>16951598
LOL but he never conclusively prooved that it is bad to be a fascist he just presumed that because he was a pathetic joo

>>16952016
I think that Adorno isn't against self preservation itself, so much as the social system that stringently demands it. Adorno also believes that those with authoritarian personalities lack strong self preservation instincts due to bad childhoods and thus overcompensate. Some of his best stuff here is his writings on pedagogy where he always insists that a child who has internal authority beaten into him early and intensely is more likely to be able to resist bad external authority as an adult
>>16952040
How does it feel that the poltard you responded to has a better understanding of Adorno than you fag

>>16952065
Yeah he talks about his admiration for Bartok in philosophy of modern music. He also loved bach and beethoven and berg was his personal piano teacher

What should be read after Culture Industry?

>>16952098
>>16952004
If you only read the essay with that title and liked it, logical next steps would be the book with that title which has some other interesting essays in the same vein or the book it was originally published in, Dialectic of Enlightenment

>>16951341
That's literally the only smart thing he ever said, though.
t. rightoid

>>16952011
Except he did. Adorno did turn somewhat on Schoenberg later, but during the 1930s Adorno considered Arnold Schoenberg the most progressive composer. During this same time period, he was highly critical of Sibelius's work. Sibelius 5, 6, and 7 are more beautiful, interesting, and innovative than anything that the atonal hacks composed.

Composing music is trivial. Composing good music is one of the most challenging feats of creativity. As with the humanities around WWII, composers lost their edge or grew lazy and started writing atonal garbage. They took a gimmick that should only be used like a spice and made it the whole dish (see Takashi Yoshimatsu's first symphony or cyberbird concerto for how atonality can be successfully implemented). Cowards like Adorno praised this atonal movement to justify their own insecurities.

The most hilariously sad thing about Adorno and his ilk is that one of their motivations behind the atonal movement was that in their fervid dreams of a Marxist classless society, they hated that musical keys forced a sort of class structure on what notes should be used more often. Atonality was an escape from the favoritism of certain notes imposed by musical keys, resulting in a classless piece of music where all notes can be represented equally. The result is an incoherent mess that no honest person would ever want to listen to. Marxism is such a pathetic failure of an ideology, that it even ruins music.

>>16952065
>but he did dismiss Sibelius(rightly so obviously)

Rightly so obviously???? Listen to Karajan's 1965 DG recording of Sibelius 5. Then any of his recordings of Sibelius 2, 6, and 7. If you don't find any of those pieces utterly soul-stirring, then please seek therapy. Depression is hard to self-diagnose, and you deserve to enjoy music to its full potential.

>>16952187
>Marxism is such a pathetic failure of an ideology, that it even ruins music.
Yet it was capitalism that ultimately ruined music.