/lit/ - Literature

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This is the last of the charts (yes they are from /pol/ afaik). I am confused but profoundly intrigued.

>>16932069
>Ever wondered why they need social media?!

>>16932103
I think the implication is that "Hylics" wanted to tap into some kind of collective unconscious because they were unable to tap into their racial subconscious? I'm not memeing here, pal. I actually want to know what is going on with this shit. Surely there have been Gnostic resources posted before?

>>16932069
>God is outside of reality
I don't understand this one isn't he the opposite of reality? Everything flows in and out so our opposite would be infinite..
>Universalism
Is it wrong to want to save everyone? Or is it like the gita story

>>16932063
The benzene thing isn't true. He stole it from someone else.

wtf is going on

>>16932051
here's what i've gathered from lurking on /x/ for a couple months:

>demiurge is bad, jesus was sent to point people to the "true" god, the monad
>the human body is a prison for the spirit
>one must achieve enlightenment to escape the endless cycle of suffering that is existence

there isn't a concrete definition for gnosticism or its beliefs, but these should apply to some renditions of it.

>>16932063
have you talked to or met a lot of Africans? Both Africans and African-Americans are way more spiritual than white Europeans, not to mention they outright feel more expressive and less atomized by individualism

>>16932290
every ochem textbook I've read says that story

>>16933673
Pynchon sez it too

>>16932069
A lot of the stuff in this infographic have been on my mind previously, I had no idea it was related to gnosticism. Specifially the "World of Ideas" part. I'm slightly autistic about race but the end does seem a little too racially masturbatory to me. But you said it was from /pol/ so I can see why

This stuff is extremely intriguing every time I hear about it but also very overwhelming. Anyone know a good book for a starting point?

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Gnosticism is the dimwit enlightenment so that Gnostics can stay in their arm chair and producing brain farts over and over while having a gullible audience in awe of them
The asian equivalent is Hinduism and Mahayana with their ''just be yourself'' ''do nothing'' and being enlightened just means having some knowledge

Gnostics are just glorified intellectuals addicted to smelly brain farts who moved the goal post from a practice, involving some acquisition of knowledge as a tool to get enlightened, over ''being enlightened is just knowing''.

It's like the academia today being a safe space for impotent philosophers, whereas philosophers used to be live to their words, instead of producing books and babbling about politics on tv shows to get a bigger audience for their books.

>>16932051
gnosticism is a term made up by christians to group together any divergent sect, from valentinians to sethians to even mandaeans.

you should read the sethian texts that are extant

I literally have no idea what Gnosticism is

>>16932051
>Is Gnosticism basically Christianity with an extra dose of schizo?
Yes, it's just schizo with an extra dose of schizo. Literally nothing true in it.

its just another cope, but racists seem to love it for some reason
its somewhat interesting, in the same way that other schizo /pol/ infographic type stuff is interesting

>>16932051
if it is legal, it is bullshit.

>>16933937
I hear you brother.

>>16932051
Gnosticism is essentially Jewish Platonism, most of it misinterprets the Platonic dialogues to (much like subverted forms of Christianity) further their own agendas (like nickel and diming the goys).

>>16933937
blah blah blah. shut up.

>>16934223
christ that this is making the rounds here, /lit/ just gets worse and worse.

read hans jonas and jacques lacarriere. both of their works on the gnostics are found online. I can answer any questions you may have

>>16934277
it inverts, doesn't misinterpret platonic dialogues, just applies the platonic hermeneutic to jewish scriptures, among other things. gnosticism has its antecedents in orphism and the egyptian religion. the rest of your post isn't worth responding to

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what's the point of all of the race stuff ?

>>16932126
If each has race and racial soul then trying to save everyone in your race's typical way just means fucking them all over and wasting your time. See Europeans trying to white man's burden the entire world into civilization with a weird mix of racist liberalism and imperialism. The Westernized colonized people's wanted to rule over independent liberal technological nations, with partial democracy because their people weren't ready for it yet. The peasants didn't care about this at all and just wanted whitey gone so they could go back to worshiping their ancestral traditions and living in accordance to their own unique ways of life.
The universalist has to run around the world telling everyone they're all wrong and that you're right and force them to do things they don't want to do. Then, it will fall apart because universalism IS wrong and people ARE different, and different along many lines (like the 3 eso and exoteric realities of race).

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the Indians vs Chinese part is just weird and off. Reminds me of the Filipino creation myth where God makes humans in an oven but leaves it on too long and creates blacks, they're bad but he loves them anyways then does it again but takes them out to quickly and creates Whitey, they're bad but he likes them anyway so puts them on earth too. Then he sets it just right and creates... Filipinos.
Always laugh when I think about that myth.

>>16934223
req'ing info dump on Hitler shutting down Thule cults

>>16935030
Based post. Gnosticism diagnosed the plague of universalism almost 2 millennia before postmodernism.

>>16935064
Thanks for the based friend, but I'm not sure the Gnostics are the ones doing that. The pol image series OP posted is clearly influenced by much other work and is one anons findings. Evola is prominently featured as are other ancient writers. Gnosticism is a Christian cult and something I neither agree with nor recommend. But, I will admit to not knowing much on a lot of these topics atm

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>Some historians have suggested that Kekulé stole the credit for discovering benzene's structure from his contemporaries, notably the Scottish chemist Archibald Couper and Austrian scientist Josef Loschmidt, by fabricating a story of two daydreams he had about whirling carbon atoms forming chains, “twisting and turning like snakes”.
This was my understanding, but apparently these claims are refuted in Alan J. Rocke's Image and Reality: Kekulé, Kopp, and the Scientific Imagination. So I'll have to investigate more.

>>16933664
They are more in touch with the elemental(deep animating force) but it is still a lower form of the elemental, hence monkey behaviour, crime, lust, violence, impulsiveness.

>>16933282
>>the human body is a prison for the spirit
Socrates said that too... hmmmmm

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You're a pagan fool, God never told you any of this.

>>16933993
>t. Literally nothing true in it.

>>16934888
Checked and idk, mate. Seems like a fever dream but obviously people itt are getting salty about it. I want to know more.

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These images make their rounds on /x/ every so often, and each time I see them it saddens me a little. The person who made them obviously is aware that spiritual things are very much real, but is too colored by their racism to see the bigger, true picture. I guess it's a sign that knowledge isn't understanding or wisdom.

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>too colored by their racism to see the bigger
I have no idea what any of this is about but the "collective racial subconscious of souls" seems to be a pretty fundamental component of the info on these graphs.

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Gnosticism has nothing to do with this /pol/ bullshit

>>16935416
So is the collective racial subconscious of souls just baseless made-up garbage?

>>16935403
Images 1, 2, and 3 are actually interesting; the rest (including all the racial collective subconsciousness) is garbage. It's pernicious too, because it could lead people legitimately interested in the more "out-there" aspects of spirituality and the like into racism.

Honestly, I see this mystic-/pol/ as the most dangerous kind. It perverts spirituality into a tool to dominate and deem yourself superior.

>>16935135
they're also better at dancing

>>16935389
Canadian here. Injuns are worse than useless. They get free college and job placement from the government and even then they just sit around drinking and huffing gas, but they blame all their problems on "muh residential schools" which were their idea in the first place. Absolute subhumans.

>>16935453
spirituality is for the mental midgets would don't want to practice asceticism and prefer the impotency of mental masturbation. it suits women very very well.

>>16932051
I have literally waited for years to finally see the full series
thx friendo

>>16935085
Remember that Gnostics think that the world is evil, not life itself. Universalism is the world

>>16935798
>asceticism
Nah. An enlightened person doesn't need to live separate from society. Jesus, Muhammad, etc. all were enlightened and all were very much part of their societies.

>>16935781
I'm also a Leaf. My first experience with this kind of shenanigans was in grade 12 a few years back. There was this big assembly for all the grade 12s to discuss going into trades vs uni. The presenters were going hard on this new program which allowed grade 12 students to take night classes at the university (while still in high school) to get a head start on their undergrad. The principal noted several times how indigenous students would not only get into classes for half the tuition, they would also be let in with an average grade that was a whole 20% lower than non-native the minimum for non-native students. Even worse, they (and they alone) would be allowed to participate in a "special indigenous focused course emphasizing indigenous learning" (basically meaning easy as shit, no essays either- in an "English" course) that was worth DOUBLE credits. I basically had to sit through a two hour presentation only to be informed that indigenous students could take an easier course with significantly lower entry requirements for half the price and would receive DOUBLE the credits. That was a real redpill for 17 year old me.

>>16935435
100% yes. If you want to learn about Gnosticism just get a copy of this book called the Nag Hammadi library

>>16935856
>>Nah. An enlightened person doesn't need to live separate from society.
Yeah this is the fantasy that women and drones cling to, from their despair to get a higher being to tell them their society is worthy and not so bad, when society is just the endeavor to make the material life easier for the non-enlightened people, especially the women.

>>16935453
Do you guys seriously never get tired from endlessly moralising about racism? Nobody gave a shit about racism before the 1700s. The Buddha didn't give a shit. The Hermetics didn't give a shit. No spiritual master gave a shit about racism. If anything, your anti-racist prejudice is farther from a true spiritual mentality than the opposite. The main issue with "spiritual racism" is when the racism is profane and occupies a role that it does not belong to it.

>>16935878
Explain
>Jesus, Muhammad, etc. all were enlightened and all were very much part of their societies.
then.

>>16935891
Literally every spiritual tradition I can think of (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc.) heavily emphasized the equality of all. I have no doubt in my mind that if Jesus showed up today, he wouldn't be very happy with those of his followers who thought of themselves as superior to others.

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>>Nah. An enlightened person doesn't need to live separate from society.
Yeah this is the fantasy that women and drones cling to, from their despair to get a higher being to tell them their society is worthy and not so bad, when society is just the endeavor to make the material life easier for the non-enlightened people, especially the women.>>16935856
to be fair it's normal for non-enlightened people to want enlightened to live with them, but of course they hate to hear it's not possible. As a cope they try to push their mental gymnastics that ''everybody is already enlightened you just don't know it bro'', ''there is nothing wrong with a society of non-enlightened people to begin with''.
I guess this is why all the gullible people fall for the spiritual side, as a cope to see themselves as more righteous that they really are.

>>16935878
Dangerously based. Also sloterdijk's position. World-compliant/exoteric religions pander to weaker natures. It's the standard "real strength lies in moderation" cope. If an organ offends you, cut it off. Gnostic christian logic is superior in this

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>Literally every spiritual tradition I can think of (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc.) heavily emphasized the equality of all.
Ah, I see, you are retarded. Here's a small redpill for you anon - literally none of the major religions or spiritual traditions have ever defended equality or touted it as a virtue. None of them. "B-but Christianity!" Nope. That's at best 20th century, if not 21st century revisionism. Christianity speaks of unity and communion, not of equality. These are radically different things. Equality is a sham value and is completely antitraditional.
>I have no doubt in my mind that if Jesus showed up today, he wouldn't be very happy with those of his followers who thought of themselves as superior to others.
That would be because of the exercise of pride, not because of "racism". It was considered not only normal, but as a precondition of health to differentiate between peoples in every single civilisation at any other time period.

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Hylic detected.

>>16932051
Hi, guy from /pol/ last night

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