/lit/ - Literature

>>16930984
No, it's a viral disease.

>>16931026
Pretty based ngl

>>16931026
Do you know anyone why died from it?

>>16930984
Certainly the image of COVID we see in the media, an entity that is more an ‘invisible enemy’ or an insidious force (as opposed to, simply, a respiratory virus) is a symptom of a hyperreal society. Hand in hand with that is the performative lambasting of people for not wearing masks - which is portrayed not as being just careless, but more as an egregious act of immorality akin to someone caught aiding a foreign nation during a time of war.

>>16931043
who *

>>16931053
Good response

>>16931043
No, just a few who've tested positive for it

>>16931043
If one doesn't know anyone who died of AIDS, is it rational to go around looking for dirty needles to step on?

>>16931043
I know a couple.

>>16931043
Not him, but I do. My parents friend. He was caught up in the first wave of it. You'd need two hands two count the number of times doctors told him he was going to die as a result of multiple cancer diagnoses he fought off over the years
All 4 times i spoke with him he mentioned every second of his life was borrowed time, so I'm confident he'd made peace with it.

>>16931053
>the performative lambasting of people for not wearing masks - which is portrayed not as being just careless, but more as an egregious act of immorality
It is an act of immorality, you are refusing to do the bare minimum and propagating the spread of a disease. It’s like a guy with HIV who goes on fucking without a care in the world. Of course it’s immoral.

My uncle caught it in the army and went through a lot to recover from it.

>>16931097
if only you knew how bad things really are

>>16931043
i've had it. lost my sense of smell totally for a month and after it only slowly came back.

i personally know one person who died, plus if i ask around everybody seems to know somebody who died from it.

t. live in a shithole

>>16931043
My grandpa, a few days ago

the covid mass hallucination wouldn't have stood one second if foucault debord or baudrillard were alive.

>>16931212
based. They would be anti-maskers if they were alive today

>>16931043
My dad works at a nursing home and like 20 people at the home died of covid. My dad and mom ended up getting it too but they recovered without a hitch.

>>16931212
> Foucault on the virus
You know, it's kind of interesting. If you were to superimpose the image of a panopticon onto the cellular structure of the virus, the similarities are striking

>>16931053
Rightists are so retarded

>>16931206
Condolences brother

>>16931234

This is insane.
I work for the local public curator, if a person under our charge dies, I get a call. If someone in the State without any family or person to take care of them, I get a call. For the last 9 months, I get less calls, because when they do they report two dozen deaths at the same time, all 'covid-related'.
Not saying that's what it is, but if there was secret program to wipe out the excess humans on Earth, that's how you'd do it.

>>16931323
> secret program
I will admit there's plenty of room for tinfoil hats with how political it's gotten, but pandemics have generally had two significant outcomes
> removing excess population
> centralizing the economy

>>16930984
yes. The Coronavirus Is Not Really Taking Place.

>>16931043
A guy I work with said his cousin died. He's brazillian though so I don't care lmao

>>16931323
Yeah, our healthcare system in the US is fucked. They're basically just letting people die, I mean they're old people with compromised immune systems but still they had people dying left and right and didn't shut down the facility.

>>16931147
A guy with HIV fucking is guaranteed to transmit the virus. A person just walking around a supermarket without a mask on may, perhaps, have COVID, and may, perhaps, transmit it to someone else. In the first case, the virus is far deadlier, and the transmission is all but guaranteed. I suppose you feel the same anger and rage every flu season, when people mill about maskless, potentially transmitting a virus that may potentially kill someone down the line. Give it a rest with the pearl-clutching you whittering old fuck.

>>16931408

I admit I have a hard time reconciling the fact that for me, almost everything is business as usual, but apparently, if you are over 65, or are in any kind of institution, rona is seems like a death sentence.

>>16931206
Sorry

>>16931489
Not him, but wouldn't we want to love in a society, since we so choose to live in a society, where the bare minimum is done to prevent the spread of any illness that effects us and our fellow members?

Or is it better, utilitarianistically speaking, to let the virus weed out weak members of a society?

>>16931097
You really believe that’s a totally valid and fair comparison, don’t you?

>>16931489
>A guy with HIV fucking is guaranteed to transmit the virus

No, brainlet, it is something like 50%.

>>16931565
>if you are over 65, or are in any kind of institution, rona is seems like a death sentence.

I recall seeing the recovery rate for the elderly is 98-something%, so it's not quite a death sentence by any stretch; BUT, I could be off with that number -- just not significantly.

>>16930984
I think so. In some sense at least. I mean, it’s definitely a real virus or a real something that is out there infecting people, killing some of them but all of this panic around it and everything around the sort of event horizon of this virus is, if not manufactured totally, then artificially amplified. So I guess the virus itself isn’t a simulacra but the actual crisis that it’s enveloped in is. That should surprise no one on this board btw.

>>16931249
Everything he said is 100% accurate you ideological Indoc’d fool

>>16931638
The risk estimates for the sexual transmission of HIV, per sex act, range widely, from 0.5% to 3.38% (with mid-range estimates of 1.4% to 1.69%) for receptive anal intercourse; 0.06% to 0.16% for insertive anal intercourse; 0.08% to 0.19% for receptive vaginal intercourse (i.e., male-to-female); and approximately 0.05% to 0.1% for insertive vaginal intercourse (i.e., female-to-male)

AIDS was predicted to kill 20,000,000 people by the year 2000. Turned out to be bullshit. Just like covid. enjoy your biopolitics

>>16931645
Easy to say when you’re not poor

>>16931638
I really don’t think it’s fair to say I’m a brainlet for not knowing the intricacies of HIV transmission.
>>16931622
I’m not disagreeing that wearing a mask is a pragmatic and sensible decision for preventing spread. My issue is with the moralisation of the issue - the idea that a guy not wearing a mask is somehow directly responsible for people dying of COVID, when never before have people been directly blamed for transmitting a virus they may or may not have. The taste for blood that the masses get when they see a ‘Karen’ (a word that seems to now just mean anybody who doesn’t believe in being zogged 24/7) not wearing a mask is fucking insidious.

>>16931408
They are not letting people die. You don’t even know what you’re saying. No hospital is just throwing it’s arms up and not treating people. It’s old people dying in homes because they all live there, have nowhere else to go, and when the virus infects one of them, they all get it and they die within a week. That’s not healthcare. That’s just the reality of having a shitload of immunocompromised old people who have to live together.

>>16931659
I’m pretty poor

Besides, you may not be aware but viruses and biology typically don’t discriminate on the basis of income.

>>16931670
Basis of income can affect how many people you live in a house with, whether you have to take public transport or not, whether you’re able to work from home or not, etc. Don’t be such a moron.

>>16931670
You’re right, governments do

>>16930984
The virus isn't a simulacra, but the pandemic is definitely a hyperreality.

>>16931684

This.
Just like global warming, really.

>>16931026
Just like the Gulf War was an armed conflict, you cumeater.

>>16931638
If you take a load in your ass and find out the load-cummer was HIV+, you go immediately to a doctor.
If someone near you coughs, you don’t rush to the hospital.

>>16931676
What if you’re poor and live alone and don’t take public transport and work from home?

>>16931170
Based.

It is. Also century of overmedicalization of modern life, if not smartphone in hands of every turd world housewife this shit wouldnt even start.
Also spanish influenza was just mercykill for ww1 victims.

>>16931043
My grandmother like 3 months ago. I also got it, tested positive but only got a sort of pain in the back ribs (think like a ghost hand feeling for like two months), and lost weight. Older family member who got it did had serious fever, but they made through it.
Things can be like that sometimes.

>>16931206
Are you that Anon, from it? You'll be better.

>>16930984
He probably would say that.

>>16931191
Are you sure it couldn't have been some other disease? Do you know, let's say it wasn't in a pandemic, what it could have been?

Many false diagnoses.

>>16931206
Good luck with it anon, he's in a better place now.

It's real, but it's only a problem because America is old and fat.

>>16931043
Do you know basic statistical reasoning?

>>16932414
fill us in on standard deviations then, you fucking nerd

>>16932574
They're counting deaths from more than just the flu as covid.

Counter that, libs.

>>16931147
>It’s like a guy with HIV who goes on fucking without a care in the world.
You proved his point, you dumbass.

>>16932528
>You fucking nerd! Being intelligent is bad! I take pride in my willful ignorance!

It's called the law of large numbers ;^) Just because you haven't personally experienced something doesn't mean it isn't a common occurrence when dealing with a large data sample.

Asking if you know someone who has died from covid is like asking someone if they know someone who has died from cancer. 9.5 million people, more than the population of New York City, die from cancer each year globally. But if you ask a random person whether they know someone who died from it, most likely they will say no because despite that being a lot of people, it is much less than 7.5 billion.

>>16932621
>giving a shit about something that doesn’t affect your corner of the world
You hyper connected millennial faggot

>>16932621
>if they know someone who has died from cancer.
In the current year I should clarify.

>>16931191
>lost my sense of smell totally for a month a
this is the most fake false flag symptom i've ever heard. it's so stupid it's the fake symptom leon comes up for for a fake disease in curb your enthusiasm

>>16932605
retard

>>16932632
This post isn't making you seem any less dumb or wrong pal.

>>16932645
I know it’s hard without the usernames, fellow redditor, but I’m not the guy you were talking to.

>>16932644
>going to the supermarket without having symptoms and not wearing a mask is the same as knowingly having hiv and fucking around
kek

>>16932677
I'll take "asymptomatic" for 500 Trebek.

>>16932621
>a common occurrence when dealing with a large data sample
The occurrence is still small, Mr. Educated. The rate doesn’t increase along with the sample size.

You’re arguing the opposite of your own point and don’t seem to realize it. A small effect applied to a huge sample makes the effect seem bigger than it is. 9.5 million people die of cancer globally (pretty scary number), but the odds of knowing someone who died of cancer this year are small.

>>16932621
>>16932767
The odds of being crushed by a fridge are astronomically small. The number of people crushed by refrigerators annually doesn’t change that, but it might trick you into thinking it does, if you struggle with statistical reasoning.

>>16931565
It's because modern capitalism necessitates the disillusionment of empathy. Only the strongest and youngest workers and thinkers are valuable in this paradigm.

>>16930984
Yes.
It’s dangerous, but the media has overblown it and hospitals are running with it because every time the write “c19” on a form, they get $30k.

>>16932884
>hospitals are running with it because every time the write “c19” on a form, they get $30k.
Source?

>>16932926
The head of virology that I spoke with at my local hospital.
Also this https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3000638001
"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

>>16930984
Only an idiot can believe that the so called covid 19 pandemic isn't entirely artificial, but there are many idiots. The point of the whole hoax is to transfer all the wealth to the top and enforce ruthless, tyrannical laws upon the people. Also, forced vaccination is on its way. In other words, your very body will belong to the state.

T. Belorussian where nobody wears the muzzle or participates in the covid circus and absolutely nothing has changed. Btw, your masters offered some absurd sum to Lukashenko under the condition that he hops aboard the covid train and when he refused a coup was staged, lmao.

>>16933090
I wonder whether people who are attached to a lung-machine feel that way, too.

Only an idiot can believe that the so called covid 19 pandemic isn't entirely artificial, but there are many idiots. The point of the whole hoax is to transfer all the wealth to the top and enforce ruthless, tyrannical laws upon the people. Also, forced vaccination is on its way. In other words, your very body will belong to the state.

T. Belarusian where nobody wears the muzzle or participates in the covid circus and absolutely nothing has changed. Btw, your masters offered some absurd sum to Lukashenko under the condition that he hops aboard the covid train and when he refused a coup was staged, lmao.

The virus itself is not a simulacrum, its a biological reality . What is a simulacrum is what is the quarantine media campaign and fear mongering. Baudrillard never talked about how hypperrality can be used to enforce disciplinary measures, but here we are.

Baudrillards answer is that certain events are real,like 9/11 but they constitue a schism in hypperreal society. So a terrorist act or natural disasters shows how reversible some condition of of hypperreality are to absolute blind destruction. However because hypperrality doesn't mediate these, but reframes them as hypperreal events, people have no proper answer to these problems as moral issues. Which why the "silent majority" folds over inevitably every time. See the transparency of evil.

>>16931043
Yes

>>16933106
I never get why you all go 95 % the way there and refuse to go the extra 5 % that the virus doesn't even exist. Is it such a stretch instead of the media and governments being in on it, the medical establishment is too. Fauci and the CDC and WHO have already exposed themselves numerous times.

>>16933131

If its is a hypperreal event it doesn't matter how deadly it is. In some form it exists as biolocal reality , but that doesn't matter at this point, the source leading back to the point of origin is gone. What we have now is a viral event that we have to contend with whatever it is.

>>16931635
Yeah because it is

>>16931565
> if you are over 65, or are in any kind of institution, rona is seems like a death sentence
>not even 5% mortality rate
Fuck off paranoid fag

>>16933131
Fact check: the severe reactions caused in a small minority of people by the coronavirus are autoimmune in nature. (Basically, some people are allergic to it for whatever reason - genetics or just having a broken immune system.)

So obviously the charade with wearing masks and socially distancing is pure cargo-cult irrational nonsense. A mask won't fix your broken immune system, no more than a literal tin foil hat will.

>>16932842
This is so retarded. Western governments shut down EVERYTHING to "save" boomers and sickly beings (fat, diabetus-ridden retards)

>>16931191
>everybody seems to know somebody who died from it
"Died with it", not "died from it". Pretty much everyone has corona antibodies by now, and when you test positive after death they now classify what used to be "natural causes" as "coronavirus".

That said, some people do actually die from it, but it's very rare.

>>16933313
Yes and no. They don't test for antibodies in unwell people, they use PCR for viral protein, so you'd have to have an acute infection. Whether you'd have died without the viral infection is hard to determine. This is why excess death analysis is an appropriate method, or having a system of death certificates like the UK does where 1a can be respiratory failure and 1b COVID (meaning Covid caused resp failure which caused death) OR having 1a Brain removed with shovel 2 COVID (meaning your brain was removed with a shovel but you had Covid which may have accelerated death but not caused it).

>>16931043
I got it. It's a mild flu to anyone below age 75. Covid is indeed hyperreal in the sense of >>16931053

>>16931147
Even in your bizarre comparison that completely ignore the quantitative risks, only someone confirmed to have HIV would be immoral by not protecting himself. So by the same token, only people already tested positive for covid and that haven't recovered yet should wear masks.

Personally I really like the idea of people getting hoisted with their petards. Like you Amerisharts praying and then dying to COVID :-)

In fact, it's the disconned between cause and victims what gets me the most. True injustice.

Like when rich people in England invite in Mudslims and those Mudlims then rape poor, working class white girls. If they needs to rape someone, it should be rich girls instead.

But yeah, in case of COVID it's all fine. You stupid Amerisharts deserve what you get :-)

>>16930984
Almost. There is a factuality to the virus, a cold hard fact related to the idea that a certain prevalence of it in a human population leads to a certain excess in dead bodies. At the same time there is the memetic virus, the info-virus, the ideological virus that shadows the real virus. Yet the ideological phantom that has been constructed out of this virus-- the memetic-virus that shadows the bio-virus--is a different creature entirely. The powers that be have taken full on, ruthless advantage of this virus, and it will be the sociopolitical and economic ramifications of it that will determine the struggles of the future, not the illness and premature death it has caused today.

What one must understand about power is that it waits with bated breath for an opportunity. It seeks that moment where it can spring all its gathered energies to expand and consolidate. Any excuse will do: a war, a terrorist attack, a market crash, a pandemic. History is punctuated with these marks. Clandestine forces have moved alongside the spread of this virus, shadowlike, and it is those movements which are of the greater interest in the greater scheme of things.

It is fitting--too fitting one might say--that we are in an age where digital virality is the central driver of the new economy and at the same time, the ancient virality of virions, renegade DNA or RNA, among the oldest and most primordial forms of life which stand on an equal evolutionary plane to our own genes, thrust and push with an enormity which overruns all the bulkheads and boundaries of human normalcy and expectation.

>>16931226
They wouldn’t because they aren’t teenage contrarians active on a Welsh shrimp farming internet forum.

>>16930984
anti placebo effect is definitely in place. tell a healthy man he has covid or aids and he will become sick from stress.

>>16931026
>>16931097
>>16931147
>>16931249
Read Foucault. Read Debord. Read Baudrillard.
This is not about right or left and if you still think the way you should turn off the tv and your smartphone for a while. Read some poetry.

>>16933631
>catching a mild flu
>lose sense of taste, suffer chronical breathing problems, feel weak for ever
choose one

>>16934281
>lose sense of taste, suffer chronical breathing problems, feel weak for ever
If you’re in the 5% above the age of 65.

>>16934448
I don't think that is really accurate. My uncle who is in mid 30s had it and his stamina was great before, he always worked out and never smoked but after a couple months of Corona we went for a hike and he would tire instantly. Corona must have some odd effects that other viruses don't have.

>>16934882
he just lost some essence

>>16931043
Yes, unfortunately...

>>16931043
I know two people who died *with* it, but I don't know that I would say they died *of* it. One was 92 years old, and at that age anything is likely to kill you. The other was 67, but had been living with a number of chronic health conditions and diseases.

I know around a dozen other people who have gotten it and had various symptoms (headaches, extreme fatigue, loss of taste, etc) for a week or so, and then recovered.

COVID is a death sentence for the elderly and the infirm. For nearly everyone else, it's a bad case of flu.

Why is there something so off-putting about the phrase "The New Normal"?

>>16935250
It implies some uncomfortable truth (this is what we have to live with now) or change; and change is scary.

>>16934882
Your uncle is an outlier. 2 of my siblings, 3 coworkers, two of my grandparents, and an aunt and uncle of mine all had it. They said they were tired for a day and then they were fine.

>>16935288
I find it funny the latest conspiracy theory that is making the rounds, because of a paper called The Great Reset; I mean what came before wasn't ideally the best world, so maybe a reset is a good idea, because if we continue on as we did before, how long until the next pandemic

>>16935541
Interesting thought, but are there really any chances of such changes happening? Consider the number of people protesting against minor inconveniences now, they surely won’t accept any changes made in the wake of something called a “great reset”, in fact, most people wouldn’t.

>>16935541
>>16935653
I can't fathom that people like this exist.

>>16935653
This Great Reset is being "pushed" by the IMF and the phrase has been used by some world leaders, so the tin-foils come out and infer that its some malicious, compliancy driven, freedom squeezing concept. Its totally foolish to not see how COVID has fundamentally changed our world already, and a reassessment of financial markets, and global relations is approached

>>16933683
Good post

>>16935704
>the tin-foils come out and infer that its some malicious, compliancy driven, freedom squeezing concept.
Not a tinfoil, but why do you believe it’s not any of that?

>>16935685
Considering the thread we’re in, it’s hard to tell what kind of people you mean.

>>16935541
>>16935653
total brainlets, kys

>>16935704
I can't fathom that people like this exist.

>>16935722
Let us know your thoughts on the concept so we can learn from you.

>>16935719
While its good to be skeptical about IMF (as they exist solely in the aspect of capitalism) what I mean by my comment is that the theorists who are warning against it, always jump to the conclusion that its some forced internment/mass genocide for some nebulous goal, without a shred of evidence and just relies on anxiety and fear mongering.

>>16935653
I believe the protests against the Iraq War were the biggest instances of that kind in America (up to that point, anyway), so I wouldn’t be so sure that the protest-to-government-assent pipeline works the way it’s assumed to.

>>16935774
Do you need the head of the IMF to say on tape that he’s a Bond villain? When you ask a girl on a date, it’s not done by saying “I’d very much like to blow a load on your back tonight.”
I think it’s reasonable to look at a massive reterritorialization at the hands of global capital with suspicion, especially in the era of soft power and manufactured consent. And if a bit of hyperbole gets the point across, who’s hurt?
The alternative is blind trust and/or equivocation, and that’s as retarded as it is servile.

>>16935653
>mild inconvenience
The measures put in place with covid as an excuse are more invasive than a hundred patriot acts. I have the opposite diagnostic.
If people can be told to obey in this instance (big restrictions on dubious grounds), it means any "great reset" plans would only face a perfectly manageable opposition to the powers in place.

>>16935863
If anything that this pandemic has highlighted is the aspects of society/world that are being under/overvalued, and that we ought not to continue keeping pace with what we once did. I can't see how the IMF/governments would want to increase the horror/destruction.

>>16935868
I didn’t mean to downplay the whole situation; I do believe anyone mentioning measures on a larger scale will face a lot of protest, this year has made people increasingly sensitive to such things.
Any conspiracy-worthy changes could be made without announcing something huge first, I don’t think the results would differ.

>>16932767
I really doubt I know any adult, who does not know someone who has died of cancer, I mean unless you're quite young you've probably lost grandparents or older relations to cancer not that it has anything to do with the danger or lack thereof of Corona or lit, also.

>>16935892
I reaaally can't fathom that people like this exist. What's your endgame? total annihilation of your individuality? Denying your own agency and act as a historical catalyst? Suicide? You sound more like an AI than a human being. Kaczynski is right once more, these people are nothing more than empty vessels of propaganda, passive assets of societal change. Floating atoms, pure substance. They have been subdued, reterritorialized, reified. They only exist in a cybernetic fashion, constantly tweaking themselves to adjust to the system. Cybernetists retroactively assert themselves.


The last few posts make it very clear that the left/right political dichotomy is archaic and we're headed towards a liberal/conspirationist divide. The liberal ideology is represented by blind faith, everything is transparent, superficial, leaders are rational agents etc.. while the conspirationists believe in the inverted form of this ideology: everything is hidden, convoluted, leaders are evil and control everything.
Ultimately both are false consciousness.

>>16932738
If there are so many asymptomatic people running around, then covid isn’t that bad

>>16936121
You've cucked your own thinking m8

>>16936013
Read my post again, I clearly said “this year.”

>>16936121
Or there’s the controversial notion that some leaders exert some control and may have impure intentions.
Lacking trust =/= believing the world is completely controlled by lizard-men.

>>16931043
this is why America is falling.

>>16936320
Is it?

>>16931043
fucking kek

>>16932842
Lol I wish. Everything we do goes to keeping old parasites alive

>>16934281
Some of this is psychosomatic. “Long COVID” is the new fibromyalgia, and I would be very interested to see how chronic morbidity breaks down with respect to sex.

>>16931043
Yes also know about a dozen others who had it and I had it back in May.

>>16931147
Good to see you've chosen complete physical celibacy to make sure you don't transmit HPV to your lovers- Wouldn't want the disease propagating! Thanks for doing (((society))) a service, remember to show up to globohomo incorporated for work tomorrow!