/lit/ - Literature

Francis, Leviathan and its Enemies

Uncle Ted

>>16921772
Globalization, destroying borders, destroying identity, technological progression, etc are good things about capitalism. If you think these are bad and these are your critiques of capitalism (these are aspects that are plain as day to see) you are shallow and a moron. What is bad about capitalism is its second nature and its reactionary tendencies. The technology that we get does not work towards worker-abolition but rather renders workers superfluous as it is not in the hands of the ruling class. It also helps repress the populations and strengthens the security state. There is also the alienation and the potentialities that it proposes but never fulfills and in fact actively pushes back against or else it would lead to its destruction.

Anyways if your critiques of capitalism is durrr no nationalism and durrr brown people and durrr no wheat field 100% virgin pure cottage core gf to have 10 babies with you are a dumb fuck.

>>16921841
go buy the hottest new gadget or something

>>16921841
oi tranny i'll gas ya m8

>>16921846
>>16921851
kill yourself retard

>>16921772
Literally any serious right wing book

>>16921772
Yes.

>>16921841
renders workers superfluous while still keeping them tied to the capitalist process*

>>16921874

Any Traditionalist authors

>>16921910
>any male astrologists
>>16921902
i can crush you bitch boy

bump

>>16921902
That's incredible

Post more pics of "online communists" itt

Maybe if leftists dropped their cosmopolitan internationalism the actual proletariat would like them more

>>16921920
Are you denying you're a tranny? You do agree that trannies are subhuman, right?

Avoiding the question will prove you're a tranny. Answer directly, or you are admitting it in the eyes of all posters.

>>16921841
>capitalism is reactionary
read marx

>>16922228
im a guy. i have nothing against trans people. you are obsessed.

>>16922254
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>>16921772
adorno

>>16922232
its second nature is, yes.

>>16922254
>i have nothing against trans people
Thanks, now no one will take you seriously ITT because it's obvious you are an outsider, and I don't have to reply to you anymore. Checkmate tranny.

>>16922310
whatever brainlet

>>16921772
Marx, Ellul, Francis(as the first post said), Spengler, Ted

>>16922254
>trans
>people

>>16922373
Marx has nothing to do with that

>>16921772
>conservative
>values
Lol

>>16922436
shut up tranny

>>16921841
>as it is not in the hands of the working class
woops just saw that typo. fixed.

>>16922403
Yes he did. He just didn't think it was a bad thing. But he clearly outlines how capitalism destroyed tradition in Capital and the Communist Manifesto for example.

>>16921841
imagine being this much of a faggot

>>16922457
that's not what the focus of his critique is

>>16921772

No, because it doesnt.

>>16921841
I want to say t. brown person, but it's too articulate so t. jew
t. jew

>>16922465
Again you're ignoring my point, I never said he was critiquing it. Like I said he thought it was progressive and good and would lead to revolution but he very clearly shows how capitalism destroyed tradition. So unless you can disprove that don't bother replying.

>>16922465
based retard

>>16921841
>>16922403
>>16922465
>you share a board with people like this

>>16922440
>everyone i don't like is a tranny
Rent free.
"Conservatives" have never conserved anything.

Why do leftists still pretend to care about the working class? As long as they get their trans rights, feminism, and minority activism they’re perfectly content. Whenever a modern leftist talks about the “workers” it is very hollow and just empty rhetoric at this point

Industrial Society and its Future. Though, not really about capitalism, it does lament Conservatives for taking part in the same system that amalgamates all ideology to subserve the technological system, i.e. the technological system is what has demolished past values in order to change the thinking to fit the system and its expansion; Conservatives lament the disappearing of these values BUT still uphold the technological system.

But don't think Conservatives are the only victims of this system. Think of self-proclaimed Leftists who wish to champion the worker, but lament workers who are not on-board with mass economic-migration: both lamenting the system's outcome but promoting its power. Etc. etc.

>>16921778
>The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth.

>>16921841
troll/10

>>16923308
faggot

>>16922622
Im a leftist who actually goes to political meetups and shit and none of us want mass migration. All of us recognise that capitalism is leading to necessary amounts of mass migration well beyond what we could ever want because in pricing the local lower classes out of education and training exploitation turns from a specific game into a numbers game, and to squeeze the same amount of debt slavery/taxes/labour out of the lower classes the lower classes must be made larger exponentially. If conservatives would ditch exploitative capitalism and leftists recognised the issue as inherently conservative then we wouldn't need all these destructive supposedly anti-conservative bandaids down the line.

>>16923563
What movements are you part of? I am also a leftist who actually goes to meetups and shit, and even in the explicitly anti-idpol crowds there is still considerable resistance to criticizing immigration in any way. The party line is that workers are workers so we "shouldn't focus" on the question of unrestrained lumpenproletariat creation and union dilution by capitalists via immigration. That's the radical ones. The mainstream ones, the kinds who support the DSA or are at least fine with it, are actively pro-immigration and have all the usual radlib racemixing fetishes and whatnot.

>>16921772
>capitalism destroys conservative values and nationalism and furthers globalization
wtf i love capitalism now

>>16923590
You and Bezos both.

>>16923742
>capitalism has one identifiable locus of power
rightists are so retarded. more retarded than socdems. durrr joos are pulling the strings durrr. brain dead retards like this belong in camps.

>>16923754
Bezos is not Jewish and you constantly bringing up Jews is kind of suspicious

>>16923754
Are you the same tranny who posted the "put in rightists camps" things earlier and then deleted it? That was hours ago. You're having quite a night.

>>16923754
https://archive.fo/1khJw#selection-1885.0-1885.226
"Store-risk metrics include average store compensation, average total store sales, and a "diversity index" that represents the racial and ethnic diversity of every store. Stores at higher risk of unionizing have lower diversity"

>>16923759
doesn't matter i didnt even know what his background was but that's irrelevant. rightists have this idea that there is a single locus of power and there is a group of people pulling the strings of the entire world. you can insert any group like "the liberal elite" or pedophiles or "globalists" or what ever but the basis of it comes from anti-semitism

>>16923802
I'm exactly the type of person you're talking about and I don't believe there is one locus of power. There are elite factions that oppose each other and also conspire/collaborate at times, including government members of US, China, Russia, etc. billionaires, the central banks, etc. And yes a lot of the bankers and billionaires are Jewish and Israel plays a role

>>16923820
Then you are retarded. More retarded than the socdems that believe billionaires could literally just save the planet but don't because they're just so evil. Capitalists aren't really in control, Capital is the organizing force and they're actions are limited by their relationship to Capital.

>>16923855
You lack the ability to think with nuance, there are both emergent, uncontrollable effects arising from the interplay of systems, and conscious strategies by various groups. Of course it is nice to abstract everything into this one element of the incredibly complex whole and pretend it causes everything else, then you don't really have to think much, and even more crucially you never risk getting in trouble by naming anyone specific.

>>16923875
Not at all you don't understand. Capital is all encompassing and IS the "incredibly complex whole." Capitalism is the spectre of accumulation which haunted all previous forms of human social structuring. This thinking is much more nuanced then muh joos. I am looking at our relations to Capital which is the whole I am not abstracting one thing. Muh joos thinking is what abstracts one thing and tries to identify a locus of power which is naive.

if your critique of capitalism is grounded in instability, unfair rent distribution, or struggles between sociological classes, you're to marx essentially utopian and advocating for the sort of socialism the schumpeters of the world found reconcilable with capitalism. A proper critique of capitalism is grounded in all human life becoming through its embedding in commodity relations merely an appendage of unthinking capital sitting over us and brooking no escape

>>16923988
Capitalism is a description of an economic form, it is not 'the whole' whatsoever, you guys just pretend that this one aspect of the economy determines the entire rest of society.

>>16923988
Are you literally incapable of typing the word Jews? Do you consider it a takedown to write like a baby

>>16923992
In this historically specific moment, yes it is. Efforts to find a locus of power usually just tries to personify the abstract character of capitalism.

>>16924055
There are multiple loci of power, why is this concept so hard for you. Not everything is just capitalism, it's so myopic a worldview

>>16924065
it's not myopic, capital is incredibly complex.

>>16921841

>>16924065
tell me anon which "multiple loci of powers" do we need to hunt down and capitalism will just go away?

>>16924065
tell me anon which "multiple loci of powers" do we need to hunt down and capitalism will just go away? if you think about it for a bit, it's incredibly naive.

>>16924070
It appears incredibly complex to you because you have memed yourself into viewing everything else in society being somehow dependent on and conditioned by the existence of wage labour.

>>16924102
I said nothing about capitalism going away, I don't see it going away, if you mean the existence of wage labour, private property, etc. Some countries may become a bit more like China or even USSR, but private industry itself is not going to disappear, there is no reason for that happening.

>>16923293
This quote implies that they don't see how the support for technological progress and economic growth undermine their values.

>>16922279
What’s your definition of reactionary?

>>16923754
Why are leftists so obsessed with jews? No one ever mentions this stuff except for you and the occasional /pol/fags

>>16924151
lmao i see deluded rightists mention jews unironically everyday on this board. you are either a new fag or you are acting retarded on purpose.
>>16924108
>>16924119
Capital is more than wage labor you seem to be ignorant about its abstract character. I don't know what else to say other than to read Capital.

The Power that Foucault studied and traced through institutions really was just Capital itself. Capital pervades everything.

>>16924213
tranny

>>16921772
Wait for my manifesto to come out. People who did write about this are Alain De Benoist, Pat Buchanan and pretty much every right winger before capitalism and conservatism became inseparable. For the most part of history, conservatives did not support capitalism, the right has a longer tradition of critiquing capitalism than the left does so if you're interested you could also read people associated with the catholic church who critiqued capitalism centuries ago. My critique of capitalism is that it alienates people and creates societal incentives (namely greed, egoism, materialism, hedonism, seeing your fellow countrymen as competitors) that are incompatible with social conservatism. Capitalism makes women work for soulless corporations instead of being mothers and homemakers, it makes people move around within nations (people move from rural to urban places) and between nations (cheap labor is imported to have more workers and more consumers and lower wages). Capitalism destroys borders and traditions and it replaces local family owned businesses with international corporations. You know how Lenin claimed that capitalism inevitably leads to war? I think the opposite is true, capitalism by necessity seeks to appease all peoples of the world and homogenize them, because this way capital can float easier. Language barriers, different currencies, racism, chauvinism, borders, tarrifs etc. Those are all barriers, hindrances and annoying obstacles in the eyes of a capitalist. Profit at any cost, even if you make profit by distrusting porn or getting your fellow countrymen addicted to drugs, how's that conservative? Conservatism and capitalism are in an unhappy marriage.

>>16924213
You are literally just replacing the word power with capital. Exceedingly tedious, when capital means something specific in economics, and capitalism is a specific economic form, not 'the totality of all power relations in a society'.

>>16924224
kill yourself
>>16924230
>Corporations BAD
>Capitalism is UNFAIR
>Capitalism cannot be contained and so it has to go GLOBAL
>Capitalism makes you GREEDY
>Capitalism COMMODIFIES EVERYTHING
>Capitalism wants to PROFIT
Wow such insight. 200 IQ take wow just wow. You are going to win a nobel prize. Rightists are really something else.
Do yourself a favor and read more instead. You have nothing worth saying.

>>16924248
You don't know what Capital is so you don't get the implications. You just think it's wage labor and the printer going brrrr.

>>16924248
You don't know what Capital is so you don't get the implications. You just think it's wage labor, a mean boss, (((them))) pulling the strings, and the printer going brrrr.

>>16921841
Baste

>>16924269
Stop equivocating between capital and capitalism. Capital still does not define everything because there are intangible social relations through which power flows that can't be reduced to money or property, but capitalism, the system of wage labor and private property is even further from defining everything since there are many other forces in society which manipulate capital, eg. central banks, taxation.

>>16924277
>there are intangible social relations through which power flows
which are all tied to capital ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
you are still not getting at what capital or capitalism is

>>16924290
Everything is tied to everything else through degrees. You can't pick one aspect of power structures in society and say it causes all the other aspects. The surplus value is not the only exploitation that matters, it is not the only unfair political situation, it is not the totality of power relations directly or indirectly.

Would you like to define capital or capitalism then, since you keep saying I don't get it, but you aren't offering any concrete definitions, you just keep saying it's 'everything', which is really not an explanation of anything.

>>16924250
I wouldn't say capitalism is unfair, a much more accurate term would be "irrational". Unrestricted capitalism is economic social darwinism. You have to invent new things and sell products, if you don't, your bank account goes to zero, and you freeze or starve to death and your unproductive genes have disappeared from the genepool. I have recently started working a working class job and this made me realize how much working class people are the backbone of a nation (and its not even that I only despise "the bourgeoisie", I also despise middle class people who don't work with their hands and comfortably sit at home all day, having their harmless middle class problems and ungratefully benefiting from working class people who build their houses and their gardens and grow the food they eat, but that's another topic). In that sense, capitalism is not "unfair", the overwhelming majority of human beings are just stupid, and capitalism due to its enlightenment influence assumes people are rational and individualism is good. That's why you have 18 year old girls who sell their used bathtubwater and become millionaires meanwhile people who work their asses off and build houses for a living live in shitty apartments. That's the irrationality of capitalism. I see it everyday. How's my critique different from Marx? Marxs main critique was the alienation and the exploitation, if Marx wanted people too stupid to read him remember just one thing he believed in, it would be that there is a conflict of interest between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, a thing the bourgeoisie has always tried to deny. I just don't think a classless moneyless stateless society can exist and "there will one day be so much material abundance that the state will wither away" seems like a unrealistic fantasy to me.

>>16921841
This screams funkopop

>>16923563
Why are you leftoids so retarded? How much self-deluding does it take to at once believe that workers ought to be protected but also that unrestricted movement of labor shouldn't be criticized at all? At what point do you decide to conserve any shred of dignity you might have left, and decide to leave your leftoid groups?

>>16921772
literally any peak oil shit

>>16921772
>Any books
Nice try, now fuck off back to /pol/