/lit/ - Literature

>>16917696
Hobbes

>>16917696
>Fraudrillard
>successful

>>16917696
Murakami started writing in his 30s. Like him or not, he's undoubtedly a successful author of fiction who got a late start.

>>16917705
It doesn't matter what you think about his work, he's successful by every definition of the word. Every philosophy and sociology undergrad knows who he is.

>>16917696
>the idea of Simulacra and Simulation came to Baudrillard after discovering the game Sim City and enjoying it [39], this lead him to finally resume his PhD after moving out of his parent's house near the Seine
lmao Baudrillard was a neet

>>16917716
Every philosophy and sociology undergrad knows who Baudrillard is. Almost all of them are functionally retarded in one or multiple forms

>>16917718
Based

>>16917718
I changed my mind Fraudrillard is based

>>16917720
Go outside

>>16917738
that's what philosophy undergrads should do

>>16917718
It says Sim City came out 8 years after s&s

>>16917769
he was a beta tester you dimwit

>>16917718
He's just like me

>>16917696
Most fiction writers don't have PhDs. A lot of them didn't study writing at all. Philosophers, that's a little different. But you don't need to go further than undergrad to have meaningful views, but to submit stuff to journals, you do need to have a graduate education. I don't see why age really matters.

>>16917778
Maxis was created 6 years after and either way it says he was a professor 3 years prior to s&s when he wrote his first book.

>>16917804
Yeah but he said in a interview that he had no idea what he was talking about prior to be a beta tester for Sim City.
>"Cette expérience m'a permis d'injecter du sens dans la parole qui a ce moment là de ma vie m'avait dépassé, j'étais devenu un vecteur de sens qui s'ignore, la pensée avait supplanté l'homme, comme le rêve supplante l'individu". in L'Humanité, 6 février 1987

>>16917738
kike

>>16917814
Wtf did he write the book for then. Low ass bars to be a philosopher

>>16917814
Ig the answer is it's only too late if you haven't played simcity

>>16917821
He's the embodiment of "fake it, till you make it" and he made it (and I say this as a reader of Baudrillard).

>>16917827
That's fair I should probably say I have a strong bias against pomo, structuralism, existentialism of any sort etc. Plus any insight drawn from video games but that might be due more to just having grown up with them.

>>16917831
Baudrillard never played Sim City, he's baiting you.

>>16917847
t. never read Baudrillard
Read the aforementioned edition of L'Humanité to see for yourself. Also every time Baudrillard talks about urbanism and cities he makes a few subtle references.

>>16917847
You can google it. It has a lot of links pop up.

>>16917696
>>16917707
Same with DeLillo, he started in his 30s. Save for a short story in the Cornell University magazine in his mid-20s. Also, most writers produce their best shit at least after their 20s.

>>16917696
Yeah it's called the entire millennial generation.

>>16917924
We were waiting on x

>>16917716
>>16917738
>Can read Baudrillard, but still hasn't learned not to feed the trolls

>>16917924
we're too busy fucking anon

>>16917696
Well, what about a philosopher who started early but only became well known later in his life like Schopenhauer? Would that be the same?

>>16917877
None of which claim he ever played it

>>16917696
Houellebecq published his first book at 35 and his first novel at 38

>>16917696
Is Baudrillard a nihilist; what is his deal

>>16918223
He mostly wrote critiques of modern culture, consumerism, media and analysis of modern technology. Read Simulacra and Simulation and The Gulf War did Not Take Place, these are his major works.

>>16918241
>Read Simulacra and Simulation
Well, I just took a quick look at Simulacra, and the first person he quotes is -Ecclesiastes so I'm assuming he is a nihilist off the bat but I'll continue to read

>>16918223
Why did you use a fucking semicolon but no question mark?

>>16917802
>I don't see why age really matters.
I sacrificed a LOT to get my PhD at 27. What was the point if I can't even look down on people for getting theirs later?

>>16918387
>starting education seriously before your brain has developed
Anon...

>>16918395
Every single fields medalist finished their PhDs before they were 25. Plenty of them went to university at 16 or earlier.

>>16918365
The mark of a true pataphysician, the kid is ready for Baudrillard.
>>16918251
Don't forget to read Janny.

>>16918407
And they contribute nothing except enlargening the field.

>>16918412
"Enlargening" isn't a word
And they all solved important problems in their respective fields.

>>16918407
>>16918412
Academia is a monkey game like chess. It just focuses on turbo-specialization as quick as possible. It's not concerned with growth.

>>16918420
>he never enlarged his penis
keking at you, small dick and small brain

>>16918420
It works fine. You're too consequentualist and can't understand what ppl mean outside a status quo system. Point is proven. For me enlargening would imply that it's worked on derivatively vs enlarging which is wholesale development. I'd probably use a different word but that you can't think enough, w your degree, to understand someone outside that taught framework is my point.
Nobody has solved shit lol

>>16918420
>And they all solved important problems in their respective fields.
You're either a skilled fisherman or a bad larper

>>16918420
It is a word but yeah people mean what they say in the moment they say it https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enlargening

>>16917696
>Got his PhD at 39
isn't that pretty standard?

>>16917707
As did Burroughs

>>16918436
Lmao. B-b-b-but what about my bullshit meaning?

>>16917718
Based.

>>16918407
>Every single fields medalist finished their PhDs before they were 25.
That could also be construed as a bias favoring the young

>>16918464
>bullshit meaning

>>16918421
>>16918421
>>16918421
Well you need to distinguish science fields from other fields .

>>16917696
>C'est au lycée Henri-IV à Paris qu'il prépare le concours d'entrée à l'École normale supérieure. Cependant, c'est durant cette préparation qu'il fait sa première rupture radicale, en tournant le dos au concours, pour aller s'établir comme ouvrier agricole, dans la région d'Arles.
hello, based?

>À son retour, il finit ses études supérieures à l'université des langues de la Sorbonne, et obtient le CAPES en allemand. Nommé successivement dans différents lycées en France, puis lecteur résident des universités en Allemagne et lecteur de littérature allemande aux éditions du Seuil, il traduit plusieurs ouvrages
All this before doing his phd

>>16918464
It's actually an established one and I didn't even need to look it up to use it. >>16918453
You can't understand people if you just assume they're just false. That's how you have crap like this happen https://youtu.be/vBrnBmUmVzI

>>16918520
Yeah there's still a lot to learn though my issue is more with the university and education system in general. I really think Philosophy (metaphysics) should be a core class.

>>16918549
Idk man sounds like a shitty way to go about being shitty about bothing

>>16918659
The cop or metaphysics?

>>16918425
Based

>>16917718
been laughing at this for 5 minutses

>>16917814
>constantly making up quotes and sources in a baudrillard thread that people believe
Based Baudrillardian

>>16918522
Euhhh... franchement, en fait, je crois que based

>>16919222
checked
it's a meta commentary on simulacra

>>16917718
wft I like him even more now

>>16917847
sim city 4 deluxe edition with the rush hour expansion was his favorite, by far

>>16917700
Graduated with a BA at 20

>>16918387
Look down on people for whatever reason you want, but don't kid yourself about how compelling it will be for someone who it doesn't favor.

>>16918251
The last chapter of s&s is on his nihilist beliefs.
>>16919222
Who knew hyperreality could provide this much wholesome fun?

>>16917718
Hella based
>mfw the dream is alive