/lit/ - Literature

>>16915247
What is this game? I'd never even seen or heard of it until that movie Knives Out

>>16915291
it's like othello

>>16915291
That Gravity's Rainbow joke was so cringe

>>16915291
ancient Chinese board game. Very complicated and strategical, you could study it for several lifetimes and never come close to the level of many masters.
>>16915247
Pic related isn't about learning Go but it's very comfy.
Iwamoto's Go for Beginners is pretty good (for beginners). Yilun's Fundamental Principles of Go is also pretty good. also Chess isn't overrated fuck you

>>16915343
I find Chess very fun, but I wish Go was more popular. There aren't any Go players at my college.

>>16915343
why is chinese culture so based, bros?

>>16915380
Because they're honorary Aryans

>>16915247
>Chess is overrated.
I suspect you are way overconfident in your own chess skills.

>>16915430
>tumblr.jpg
Please go back to tumblr

>>16915332
I actually laughed at that.

>>16915409
i don't appreciate Hitler lumping japan in with china. china has a legit claim to the GOAT civilization. japan is a remora on under the fin of chinese culture.

>>16915496
Difficult to swallow but based take. China absolutely moggs the rest of the planet. They've been down and out for a few centuries but they're coming back, brehs. Better 我朋友们你们应该学中文和有一个中国人女朋友.

>>16915567
limp wristed white hands typed this. Smarten up, baizuo

>>16915567
>笨百人才不会有可爱中国怒朋友

>>16915588
How dare you. My wrists are brawny and proud.

>>16915567
笨百人才不会有可爱中国怒朋友

>>16915599
i'm never learning moon runes and they can come and cut my head off over it if they want

>>16915567
笨白人才不会有可爱中国女朋友

>>16915567
/lit/ needs to take the sinopill

>>16915247
Chess and Go were both ruined by AI, no point in bothering with either.

>>16915596
>>16915603
他们不喜欢中国的女人。他们所我是一个“白左”嘻嘻嘻嘻嘻。不久我会是一个英文老师中国。所以我会有一很聪明和漂亮妻子不久。然而学中文和汉字很难。
>>16915624
不是。中国女人很喜欢外国人。
>>16915628
My Chinese /lit/ is absolutely paltry right now. I have Journey to the West and My Country and My People on the docket right now.

uh oh I fear the Jannies will come for my life for typing my busted Chinese...

>>16915645
jannies care more about Chinese than deleting coomer threads

>>16915651
Jannies BLEASE, Anons communicating in broken Chinese is relevant to a Go thread (which isn't really /lit/ TBQF).

>>16915639
get some analects for your intellect

>>16915661
Be nice.

>>16915651

>>16915639
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Character_Classic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Character_Classic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Family_Surnames
学中文最容易

>>16915671
我学了中文二个学期在大学。It was slightly easier than I though it would be but not by much. 2 intensive language courses over 8 months brought me from a 0/10 to like a 2 or 3/10 in terms of comprehension. It's a long haul process but I'll be moving the Chinarr soon which will definitely help me along.

>>16915628
Based

>>16915686
下次当中国人

>>16915704
That would make it easier.

>>16915247
I tried to get into Go but quickly discovered it takes years to even get decent at it so I gave up.

>>16915496
this is because westerners fellate japan and have done so for hundreds of years. hitler is no different.

>>16915628
Daily reminder that Lu BU was a bastard of three fathers and he had it coming. In this household we respect Sun Ce, Sun Quan, and Zhou Yu and we hope to emulate the glory of the Southlands. Cao Cao was a virtuous man but he didn't understand the power of BROTHERHOOD.

>>16915860
>bastard of three fathers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrFaOhZmJrg&ab_channel=SimonDamon

>>16915860
Cao Ahman was a fiend and villain. Liu Xuande is a scion of the Han and the rightful son of heaven.

>>16915871
A child in a man's skin, truly the epitome of cruelty. With him alive the realm would not have seen peace. Also that show is pure kino. It's a shame /tv/ is so shit and /jp/ isn't a general Asian culture board.

>>16915886
Brother Xuande had replaced virtue with sentiment, he would bring shame and strife to the eternal realm, personally insulting the great ancestor. Even the great ancestor would have realized the Cao's had the mandate of heaven, do you dare to oppose heaven?

>>16915908
Kongming was playing 4-dimensional Go

>Xun Zi, cringe, doesn't believe in human's tending toward virtue by way of socialization superseding any inherent human nature
>Zhu Xi, based blind believer in human good, can and did will virtue into existence
Take your pick gwailou

>>16916137
Kongming was based but he should have served Sun Quan and the Southlands, the Han had it's time.

I prefer Chinese Checkers

Spend your time on a real subject, like math, instead of wasting it becoming mediocre at analog videogames.

>>16916302
>Analog
Go is discrete

>>16916247
OY VEY

>>16916247
For me, it's Hnefatafl

if there's a /lit/ group on OGS i would like to join

>>16916302
what makes learning math better than learning go? what does the average person have to gain out of learning math as opposed to go?

>>16915637

>the forklift is invented, lifts five tons
>welp I guess there's no point in humans having weight lifting competitions anymore, let's all pack it in and go home

heckin yikes at the broken ass chinkspeak in this thread lmao

>>16915247
Learn to Play Go series by Janice Kim is considered to be the best introduction. That's the standard recommendation you'll see online anywhere you go. Also, you won't understand the basics of go until you lose 200 games, so get ready to crunch.

>>16915247
Hikaru no Go

>>16916928
what does an average person has to gain from go?

>solved game

lmaoing at these chinks

>>16915496
Oh yeah, that's why this thread uses Kawabata's book as one of the best literary examples talking about Go. Chinkoids are so shitty at propagating their culture to westerners that even their games are being propagated by Japanese instead.

backgammon is the true game

>>16915332
People having been making that joke about having heard of it, but never having read it since the book came out.

irrc Ishi press does good english Go books, but a lot of them are pricey or out of print.
What I did to start was rent the learn to play go books from my library, then got a book on thickness theory and a few books of game notations from Ishi Press.
Then I got a go set and followed along with the notation of the games.
I would also recommend making an account on the online go server because you can not only play against ranked players and bots, but can also view games between dan-ranked amateurs and can play user submitted tutorials.

>>16917330
irrc during the period that Kawabata was writing, the best go players were Japanese, save for Go Seigen of course.
Nowadays Chinese and Korean players tend to be the heavy hitters on the world stage.

>>16917606
This advice is pretty much spot on, but you won't need the thickness books for a while usually. A good opening curriculum for beginners is Learn to Play Go vol. 1 & 2, Graded Go Problems for Beginners vol. 1 & 2, and then Opening Theory Made Easy after you play at least fifty games.

>>16915247
>something
meh
>something but japanese
omg so cool, it's like anime but in real life!

>>16917750

Two things.

One, Go isn't very popular with Japanese youths and I wouldn't say it's very comparable to the Japan of modern day consumerist culture. Like if someone is interested in ancient Japan, I wouldn't call them a weeb.

Two, go is objectively a better game than chess.
>"Correct" opening moves impossible to memorize.
>Never has ties unlike >50% of professional chess games
>More about strategy and creativity rather than tactics and reading ahead.
>Filters people who aren't able to conceptualize highly abstract games (i.e. most people who can conceptualize chess as two armies fighting against one another find themselves unable to "get" go)
>Probably the most extreme example of "easy to play, hard to master" of all reasonably played games, because it takes at least a hundred games before you even understand what you're doing strategically, but the rules can be taught in ten minutes.

>>16915637
Hurr cranes exist therefore I shall no longer train for strength at the gym

>>16915247
>needs a book to play go because there is nobody to play it with
>because nobody plays it
>i wonder why

>>16916938
There's never been any point to weight-lifting competitions
Arnold plays the stereotypical buff retard for a reason

>>16915247
Go West, young man

>>16915496
>china has a legit claim to the GOAT civilization
What do they even produce other than faulty architectural schemes, low cost supplies on Alibaba that aren't checked by health professionals, scammers on Amazon, hackers in online video games and a social credit system for spying on civilians?

>>16915430
Bobby Fischer said chess is overrated too.

>>16915691
Are these the best translations currently? I've heard good things about the Three Kingdoms there but the Wu Journey of the West seems better.

>>16918517
>What do they even produce
lnot that it's related to them being a great civilization but iterally everything anon

>tfw still haven't learned chinese properly

>>16915247
How about you Go fuck yourself?

I am a white man. I will never accept china over japan as the GOAT asian country. Seethe about it

>>16917324
Go can not be solved

>>16919638
An AI beat people at Go. But chess was solved decades ago by weaker computers

>>16919771
Neither Go nor Chess can be solved.
The definition of a game being solved is rigorously defined. A computer beating a human does not mean the game is solved.
You don't know what youre talking about.

>>16915247
Chess has become all about prep with computers.
As a casual player, there wasn't much reason to care but you never know when you're sitting against a kid who just punches out 15 moves and catches any mistake because they computer told him it is so. There's not much reason to think about it. Naturally, players that understand the position on a deeper level are overall better, but you still get beaten by a kid who memorised lots of openings.
Makes the game not as interesting.
Don't know how Go is doing in this regard.

>>16919820
Yeah. The only time I remember Chess actually being fun "fun" was against lower rated players who move pieces around the board at random. High rated players just memorize positions and opening variations and play whichever one works best in the situation to the point where every high rated game has basically become 99% predictable after the first 2 moves.

>>16919820
>Don't know how Go is doing in this regard.


It's complicated. Josekis are a thing, but it's less like learning a rote sequence and repeating it... more like learning a piece of music that you are going to improvise on every time you jam it

>>16919890
That's.. interesting.
Any good website for playing online?
I'm up for learning but only if I can play with someone online from time to time, and if that someone isn't way too over my level. Some beginner friendly stuff.

>>16919820
>>16915247
TBF, I think chess more accurately depicts an abstraction of most "Pitched battles", while Go is more of an abstracted competitive puzzle.

And in a non computer autism optimization world I cant really say one is better than the other since both depend largely on who you are up against. the complexity of the system itself does not necessarily define "depth" or "Superiority" in terms of an activity. There are more indivigual piece factors in chess, but more grand strategic synergy in go.

Dont want to go all "Gamer" on the topic, but they are phenominally separate strategy games with different intellectual "content"

One is not objectively better then the other.

>>16918517
>>16915496

>>16919615
me neither
Japan is a country/culture with an absurdly high capacity to absorb any side effects from the freedoms granted to its citizens. it's a miracle every western country should strive for and dreams about. sure, we were there, as country or another, in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th century... but with the chaos and power afforded by the technology of the '80s, '90s, '00s, and today? in-fuckin-credible. eternal respect for Japan.
in comparison, if in Communist China somebody is "in danger" of having "success," no matter how useful he was to the communist party, he gets pulled back into the sea of communist misery... erm... equality. with collective prosperity gained by exporting trash (as in my country only plastic trash and poisoned toys arrived, killing off any competition and all creativity) the Chinese people will soon wake up that they aren't allowed even the second hand illusions people living in third world countries dream about. in Communist China everything is at the limit, on knife edge, and any small deviation from the norm (which btw changes at every whim, as the party = the law... this is why they need the social credit system) risks a domino that will leave North Korea looking like Las Vegas next to it
how can such a country think of itself as GOAT? because they are willing to do what nobody else does (including unethical human experiments as the norm)?
i am offended. please try again after communism is eradicated from China. then it would be my pleasure to find something to respect over there.

>>16920006
Japan stole its culture from the superior mainland Koreans and Chinese.

>>16919615
China was inventing paper and gunpowder while Japan was hunter-gatherer tier

>>16918757
These ugly editions are shilled by shills because they are published by the Chinese Communist Party. That doesn't necessarily mean the translations are bad, but the book design is certainly lacking imo.

>>16915247
Go is extremely overrated.

>>16915639
>所
Anon...

>>16920095
Idk about the paper history but gunpowder was discovered rather than invented, it was an unintentional mistake that ruined the mans home

>>16917330
Xiangqi is vastly more popular than Go in China. (And also incidentally a much better game.)

>>16918582
Bobby went batshit crazy by the end of his autistic decline. I think what Fischer meant was that he was tired of studying theory to remain competitive in the game. Garry Kasparov was ranked #1 for 20 years and was still able to come out of retirement this year to hold Magnus Carlsen, current world chess champion and highest ranked chess player of all time, to a draw. Kasparov knows what it takes to study the game, while Fischer gave it up.

>>16917508
It's was cringe since the the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end.

>>16918757
I say they're the best available. Check out the abridged Arthur Waley Monkey version if you don't have time to read the whole thing.

>>16915628

>>16920072
so not only Japan knew what to steal and what to leave behind, they used it to craft human beings of which gods are proud of
meanwhile China steals ideas from the West and uses it to make a fool of itself and commit slow suicide all the while showing books written by Chinese who would spit on current leadership

>>16920456
>Kasparov
Bobby "went crazy" because they concentrated all their efforts into driving him crazy (like they did before with Alekhine... even today you can see how many "new" biographies of him are born)
Kasparov "went crazy" because Deep Blue beat him... after that he went into politics. They had to build a multi-million dollar machine (with the top minds of computer science, counseled by the world's top chess players) to beat him and then they quickly dismantled it and hid its parts in different location.
Same story, if you ask me.

>>16920830
YAAAAAAAAAS BASED NIPPON MAKE BASED ANIME AND GEIMU
NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST STEALERINO THINGS JESUS SAY IT WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

>>16920918
>BASED ANIME AND GEIMU
i'm not a big fan of either, but at least they put both effort & soul in it, without regard if they are made for Japanese or international market... in the same time Chinese churn out stuff that can't be distinguished from the results of a markov chain... no wonder it's called "the Chinese Room argument"
i will confess that it is true, sometimes i get mad at China... but then i imagine that it took hundreds of millions of people working like dogs for their whole life just to get my attention for 3 minutes... and then I laugh.
a nation with such great and varied history as China, with such beautiful landscapes, with a refinement of philosophy unmatched in the world... to be proud of imitating 19th century Europe... i pity anybody who thinks this country is "the greatest of all time"

>>16921005
History is older than the last 200 years you tit

Someone rec some good chinese literature. One that will make me want to learn more about china and Chinese lit. Chinese philosophy (in translation obv) does nothing for me.

>>16921094
Lu Xun

>>16918196
Essential for James Bond readers

>>16919896
>Any good website for playing online?

anywhere, I guess? Wouldn't be terrible to start by just getting a phone app and playing 9x9 against AI. Or you could head over to seinsei's library; https://senseis.xmp.net/

and get some theory & terminology down.

another alternative would be to head over to goproblems.com and start studying entry-level life & death problems

>>16920072
so?

>>16915247
Go? I rather stay!

>>16915247

I've been browsing the games section for chess like a basic fad bitch recently. There was a tiny "learn Go basics" book for a few bucks and I considered buying it but on reflection I realized it was little better than the instructions. Interestingly one shop had some of Kasparov's books with that special printing CPSIA designation in the back (or whatever it's called) so that tells me they're ramping up production for the fad interest at the moment.

>>16915430
I dare you to find a person that has played and studied both games and still holds Chess in higher regard. The rules, strategy and depth of Go are simply on another level.

>>16919896
Everone online plays in https://online-go.com/

>>16915567
>和
并且

>>16924221
This is an 18+ board. Go finish your homework, you dumb weeb.

>>16924344
I'm probably twice of your age, but I guess there are some chores to do for me too.

>>16916938
humans can't learn how to lift like a forklift, but they can learn how to play like a computer. Or more accurately, they can memorize and copy lines the computer uses.

>>16924329
有

Boardgames are for retards. Play darksouls scrubs.

>>16925655
Yes