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This website has devolved to LARPing and ceaseless shit flinging and there's no proper discussion to be had here. The disproportionate majority of you don't even read out of curiosity or love of literature, you read because you wish to adopt fringe political beliefs and spite the guys on the other side of the spectrum while gobbling down whatever a bunch of shitty twitter ecelebs want you to read to settle into a lifestyle that suits the contrarian drone.

>> No.16901434

>religion and ideology leads to bad faith actors
What a surprise

>> No.16901435

>>16901431
yes this site was always mindless contrarianism but shitposting is fun

>> No.16901449

There are some good posters here

>> No.16901463

>>16901449
Needles in haystacks man.

>>16901435
It ceased to be though, since there is no longer variety and chaos, just parrots crying about people that they never spoke to holding different beliefs.

>> No.16901470

>>16901431
>Coming to 4chan for a proper discussion
Never gonna make it.

>> No.16901479

>This website is a contrarian aggressive pile of shit
>Let me add my contrarian aggressive log on top of it

>> No.16901523

>>16901463
>Needles in haystacks man.
So? instead of complaining help make it better. Become another needle in the haystack.

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>>16901523
I rarely even post anymore man, I just come here to laugh at the retards. You don't join the fucking circus, you watch it.

>> No.16901545

>>16901431
Every single hobby specific board on 4chan is garbage, yet at the same time it's the best environment of its kind that you will find on the internet. At least people here will laugh at instapoetry, outside of this place you'll get slammed on for not putting up a fake smile and gobbling every bit of kumbaya propaganda that is thrown your way. I'd rather be among contrarians and /pol/lacks, kissless virgins and pseuds than endure the company of bugmen and normies.

>> No.16901552

>>16901545
Says the /pol/ack. I do enjoy monkeys flinging stinky shit at each other rather than fake politeness though.

>> No.16901556

>>16901530
No one complains about a circus being filled with clowns. Which suggests you do care about it to some degree, to be complaining at all. I don't think /lit/ is beyond repair just yet.

>> No.16901564
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>>16901435
>>16901463
>>16901470
>>16901530

>> No.16901570

>>16901552
You're wrong, I have been on that board maybe twice in my life. I hate political discussion in general and I wish people didn't post twitter screencaps with some tranny's hot take of the day. I have tried to report off-topic crap a bunch of times but between the insane captchas and the general lack of action by the mods there's no point. I was just talking about the general flow of discussion, which is full of shit but still miles better than what you'd find on a "literature" community or a Discord or some other normie space where Harry Potter is considered peak literature. Every other hobby community is a mirror of the same situation in its own way.

>> No.16901577

>>16901564
kek

>> No.16901583
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>>16901556
/lit/'s favorite subjects are
>an LSD ridden psycho that tried to destroy civilization by sending bombs through the post office
>some Italian cripple that wrote Robert E Howard fanfic without half the wit or humor
>LARPing as Christians while trying to trigger atheists as if it's the internet from 10 years ago
>/r9k/ but with a vaguely literary tilt
>philosophy debates where absolutely 0 people in the thread seem to understand or touch on the author's actual points
>hating genre literature to appear clever

Tell me what's salvageable here.

>> No.16901589

>>16901583
>Tell me what's salvageable here.
People are at least trying to be above Harry Potter and 12 year olds writing fanfiction are filtered out.
It's something.

>> No.16901620

>>16901545
4chan unironically teaches critical thinking as well as anything I've ever seen. You are constantly bombarded with bullshit and have to learn how to evaluate information for yourself or else you become one of the bullshit peddlers. It teaches self awareness, because without the immediacy of direct personal feedback that can be directed to "you" as the actual individual, you can easily become so consumed by your own rhetoric that you end up swallowing somebody else's pill anyway. And the fucking diversity here—real, teleological diversity rather than the superficial kind in pop culture lexicon—is nothing short of amazing. I sincerely believe in the free speech social experiment that goes on here every day, and I sincerely believe that in the coming decades we will be able to look back on 4chan as a crucible in which the first truly independent thinkers in a generation were forged. Despite the shitposters, the ideologues, the trolls who have been emulating others since 2004 just for the thrill of deceiving you—or maybe because of it, really—4chan has everything you need to develop your mind. All the aforementioned "bad actors" actually fulfill a vital role. They serve as examples which illuminate by contrast the importance of being truly independent. If you are never made aware of this dynamic from this specific kind of personal detachment, how are you ever going to become familiar enough with it to really understand them?

>> No.16901623

>>16901589
Being better than reddit isn't even the bare minimum for quality and people are still obsessed with that shithole.

>> No.16901630

>>16901620
It's a fucking breeding ground for neo-nazis, there's no diversity at all, you're a fucking moron that seemed to have popped right out of reddit or tumblr or some shit and is feeling the euphoria of being anonymous while typing "nigger".

>> No.16901631

>>16901431

Nope, going against the circlejerk here. I think this place is decent. Yes, the majority of posts will be low quality, but this is the most active non-private forum, and it still manages to consistently have decent-quality discussions. Most of the threads which ask about single books or authors have at least several good posts, the real issue is the retarded bait threads that people respond to. The low-effort posters are fine, except when they give (you)s to morons and bait and attention whores like Butterfly. I find this place pretty cozy, especially the chill threads. If everyone who saw this post agreed and just themselves made a high-quality or effort post every day or two, we would see a positive culture shift. As it is, it's fine, just not great, and definitely better than Reddit hugboxes or other dead forums. I'd like to see more general threads like the poetry ones, like /horrorgeneral/, etc. Maybe I'll start making a couple soon. But this place is okay.

>> No.16901633

>>16901583
I think most of those topics are in decline. Hopefully those posters will either grow bored and leave or mature enough to read and discuss better literature. Hopefully.

>> No.16901635

>>16901470
/lit/ had its potential, as other boards outside the obvious cancers

>> No.16901647

>>16901583
What's the second?

>> No.16901663

>>16901620
Fresh pasta? My idea is much less romantic than that. This place is shit. It's full of people abusing anonymity to drive everything good into the ground.
>>16901623
I never said I'm happy here. It's just that I'd rather have this pit of hell full of shitters than a safe normie space where everyone's putting up afriendly face and evelops every interaction with the aim of furthering his social media count.

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>>16901431
Also please go back to pol

>> No.16901670

>>16901630
>It's a fucking breeding ground for neo-nazis, there's no diversity at all
I accounted for this viewpoint and I'm not going to restate it for your benefit just because you skimmed and had a kneejerk reaction.

>> No.16901684

>>16901620
>And the fucking diversity here
Let's see the diversity of 4chan:
>ironic and unironic neo-nazis
>tradfags trying to desperately convert people and whining about the porn ads
>apolitical teenagers who come here only to feel the dopamine rush of saying nigger anonymously
>weebs with no self-awareness who identify with extremists and the people who would censor everything they love
>attention whores and self-hating fags who think they can somehow be both right wing and gay
>actual spics and niggers who suck off to white ideologies for the sake of being edgy
Never seen a more diverse community

>> No.16901687

>>16901670
I'll be called /pol/ for saying this but the /pol/ posts are all that keeps this place from becoming Reddit 2.0
There's value in having active /pol/ posters even if you dislike them

>> No.16901693

>>16901665
The thing is that unlike religion atheism does not rely on indoctrination at birth to survive, but is instead the natural outcome of a rational mind
I don't need to have kids to teach them atheism, other people kids will just grow up, question the bullshit that their parents taught them, and join my side since it is the only correct one
As soon as niggers and shitskins start to get a bit more cultured they will reject religion as well

>> No.16901697

>>16901687
No there isn't. In fact, the site would never become reddit 2.0 because contrarianism is rewarded which is 100% opposite to reddit. You're in fact a massive retard, just not the /pol/ack kind.

>>16901684
This

>> No.16901700

>>16901693
What about someone growing up from Atheist household converting to one

>> No.16901704

>>16901697
>the site would never become reddit 2.0 because contrarianism is rewarded
All it takes is an influx of tranny janitors

>> No.16901708

>>16901700
It happens, but we both know they're outliers.

>> No.16901709

>>16901700
Non-existent. They are all just larpers feeling alienated by rationalist society and trading one uncomfortable truth for a delusion. They will get tired of it and replace it with the next fad or just grow up and accept the truth

>> No.16901711

>>16901693
>natural outcome of a rational mind
No, I was an agnostic my whole life and became a theist after reading the Greeks. I just don't subscribe to any organized religion or set of objective morals written by jews in a desert.

>> No.16901716

>>16901704
Yes, you just reminded me that this site has a real unhealthy fixation with trannies. It's quite fucking surreal how many people here just want to talk about them. This is 100% related to tranny porn.

>> No.16901729

>>16901684
Sounds like you've got an issue with political bogeymen. I don't really have politics myself. I do my best to remain educated on the issues but studiously independent. It's a more cohesive way of looking at the world, I think. Even if people want to pigeonhole themselves and everything around them into ingroups and outgroups, it doesn't mean I have to. So I don't. From this viewpoint, I've noticed that not only was everything you wrote rooted in identity politics, it also only represented one side. What do you think accounts for that?
>>16901687
There was a time where things didn't always have to be framed in the context of politics. Your outsider status wasn't presented to you in a neat little prepackaged ideology complete with a framework for good and a Big Bad. I believe that /pol/posters have value, but to me they represent a kind of flashing warning sign to the dangers of zealotry in all its varietals. There's nothing more dangerous than a group of humans following another group of humans.

>> No.16901733

>>16901620
this is actually based.
but i know you guys wont even admit it and that's good.
also fuck you whoever faggot that wrote this shit. please go back.

>> No.16901740

>>16901729
Yeah man, I really want /pol/tards jumping in on me discussing origami with their retard schizoid takes, that's just great and really contributes to the overall level of discussion. You cretin.

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>>16901740
Okay, you're one of those.

>> No.16901756

>>16901747
I'm one of those what you cuck?

>> No.16901764

>>16901709
You seem to have broad definition of LARPing

>> No.16901775

>>16901756
Sophists. There's not an ounce of logic, rationale, or evidence beyond the purely anecdotal to anything you've written. I tried to talk to you about that last part but you ignored me. It's alright, I'm pretty used to this "argumentation" style. It's pretty obvious that you've got little to say except your disapproval of your chosen political Big Bad, and what you do say you try to state with personal attacks. Again, completely fine with me; I've been conversing (usually in this way) with people like you for about fifteen years now. Just be aware that it's sophistry.
>cuck
>cretin
>moron
>tumblr
>r*ddit
You don't repeat yourself, at least.

>> No.16901786

>>16901775
You're telling me you think stormfags are OK because they prevent the site from turning into reddit. I'm telling you they ruin every conversation they barge into with their insane shitposts and that you're a bootlicker.

Clear now?

>> No.16901791

>>16901786
It's clear that you misunderstand me and there's nothing I'll be able to do to make anything I've said any clearer. Used to that too, unfortunately. It's all so tiresome.

>> No.16901801

>>16901791
Make yourself clearer then.

>> No.16901806

>>16901716
>>16901740
>>16901740
>I really want /pol/tards jumping in on me discussing origami with their retard schizoid takes
>Yes, you just reminded me that this site has a real unhealthy fixation with trannies.
Blame the trannies for being so fucking conspicuous.
Also seethe, dilate etc.
>>16901786
If your problem is people making posts like (((this))) or saying nigger then you aren't even addressing the real annoying side of /pol/fags, what ruins the climate is people making bait threads with some feminist screencap off Twitter and sockpuppeting threads ad nauseam.
Every single issue with 4chan in general would be fixed if social media screencap posters were instantly banned. And the porn posters too.

>> No.16901816

>>16901806
>Every single issue with 4chan in general would be fixed if social media screencap posters were instantly banned. And the porn posters too.
I agree. Pretty much everything is permitted on 4chan, as long as it goes in the right place. The issue with /pol/tards is how everything needs to be explicitly tied into the context of contemporary politics. If something exists to a /pol/tard it exists as an expression of political thought, to which literally EVERYTHING ELSE is subservient. It gets really old. I don't begrudge them their politics, but I also don't need to be inundated with it everywhere I look.

>> No.16901819

>>16901806
You seem to be of the paranoid schizophrenic tribe too. I've never met a tranny in my whole life, haven't heard of any, haven't talked to me friends or family ever about trannies.

Do you think they'll jump you and fuck you in some alley or some shit?

>> No.16901825

>>16901819
You miss the point of pretty much everything anyone has said to you in this thread. It's almost impressive.

>> No.16901832

This thread was moved to >>>/qa/3656669