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>>16898897
So?

What if it ended up being true but the true God was Allah/Zeus/Odin/YAWEH of the jews/the Gnostic God etc.? Christians would have no excuse.

>>16898915
>Allah/Zeus/Odin the same
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>>16898927
Just because you were indoctrinated to believe in a different jewish God than the jews and the Muslims doesn't make it any less probable you stupid christcuck

>>16898949
I'm not a christcuck you retard. I'm saying Odin isn't storm and thunder Zeus, because evidently that would be Thor, you dumb retard

>>16898897
I’d be fine and watch as gaytheists coped, seethed, dilated etc.

>>16898961
Odin is the allfather in nordic mythology, Zeus is the father of the greek and roman pantheon. Both deities haven't diverged from their principal role of fathers.

>>16898897
And it is true.

>>16898985
Is that why abrahamists call yhvh father? Because based pagans?

Did you ever consider that maybe Odin and Zeus are both different beings?

>>16898989
Fake as fuck forgery produced some time around the middle ages but you christkikes won't believe shit until it comes out of the mouth of a pedo priest

>>16898999
>Odin and Zeus are both different beings
They have different functions in their pantheon but both are evolutions of the indo-european Sky Father. YAWEH was also a thunder god from the Canaanite pantheon iirc so there are enough reasons to compare him to father-like deities like Odin and Zeus.

>After having sinned by eating the forbidden apple, Adam fled from the face of the Lord through shame of the sin he had committed. What must have been the astonishment of the angels when they saw God seeking after him, and calling him as it were with tears, saying: “Adam, where art thou?” (Gen. iii. 9.) My beloved Adam, where art thou? These words, says Father Pereyra, in his commentary on this passage, “are the words of a father in search of his lost son.”

>Towards you, brethren, the Lord acts in a similar manner. You fled from him and he has so often invited you to repentance by means of confessors and preachers. Who was it that spoke to you when they exhorted you to penance? It was the Lord! Preachers are, as St. Paul says, his ambassadors. “For Christ, therefore, we are ambassadors; God, as it were, exhorting by us.” (2 Cor. v. 20.) Hence he writes to the sinners of Corinth: “For Christ, we beseech you, be reconciled to God.” (Ibid.) In explaining these words St. Chrysostom says: “Ipse Chris tus vos obsecrat: quid autem obsecrat? Reconciliamini Deo.”

>Then, says the holy doctor, Jesus Christ himself entreats you, sinners: and what does he entreat you to do? To make peace with God. The saint adds: “Non enim ipse inimicus gerit, sed vos.” It is not God that acts like an enemy, but you; that is, God does not refuse to make peace with sinners, but they are unwilling to be reconciled with him.

>2. But notwithstanding the refusal of sinners to return to God, he does not cease to continue to call them by so many interior inspirations, remorses of conscience, and terrors of chastisements. Thus, beloved Christians, God has spoken to you, and, seeing that you disregarded his words, he has had recourse to scourges; he has called you to repentance by such a persecution, by temporal losses, by the death of a relative, by sickness which has brought you to the brink of the grave.

>He has, according to holy David, placed before your eyes the bow of your damnation, not that you might be condemned to eternal misery, but that you might be delivered from hell, which you deserved. “Thou hast given a warning to them that fear thee, that they may flee from before the bow, that thy beloved may be delivered.” (Ps. lix. 6).

>You regarded certain afflictions as misfortunes; but they were mercies from God; they were the voices of God calling on you to renounce sin, that you might escape perdition. “My jaws are become hoarse.” (Ps. lxviii. 4.) My son, says the Lord, I have almost lost my voice in calling you to repentance. “I am weary of entreating thee.” ( Jer. xv. (5.) I have become weary in imploring you to offend me no more.

—St. Alphonsus de Liguori, On the Mercy of God Towards Sinners

>>16899015
So then why is Thor the thunder and lightning smithing sky god, and Odin is more akin to maimed gods like Kronos?

>>16899034
Because their peculiarities diverged over time but were still considered the principal deities of their pantheons. Both deities are the offspring of a previous generation of Gods (the Titans and Borr), some deities ended up splitting in different personalities and their functions shifted throughout history, but they still fundamentally conserve their main positions in the pantheon.

I'd have a fairly good excuse imo, if God wanted his story to be more believable he would have made it so. it's like believing you won't win the lottery but you end up winning somehow.

>>16899105
This

today i pleaded with god to show himself to me to fill me with the holy spirit but i was left on read

>>16899001
Explain each point raised in pic related.

>>16899092
Thomas didn't believe but got a second chance. We will too, r-right bros?

>>16899177
Cool. You had 2k years to win bro, and even fucking Islam is outdoing you

>>16899026
absolutely beautiful

EIGHTH SUNDAY AFTER PENTECOST. – ON THE PARTICULAR JUDGMENT.

“Give an account of thy stewardship.” LUKE xvi. 2.

BELOVED Christians, of all the goods of nature, of fortune, and of grace, which we have received from God, we are not the masters, neither can we dispose of them as we please; we are but the administrators of them; and therefore we should employ them according to the will of God, who is our Lord. Hence, at the hour of death, we must render a strict account of them to Jesus Christ, our Judge. ”For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.” (2 Cor. v. 10.) This is the precise meaning of that”give an account of thy stewardship,” in the gospel of this day. ”You are not,” says St. Bonaventure, in his comment on these words, ”a master, but a steward over the things committed to you; and therefore you are to render an account of them.” I will place before your eyes Today the rigour of this judgment, which shall be passed on each of us on the last day of our life. Let us consider the terror of the soul, first, when we shall be presented to the Judge; secondly, when she shall be examined; and thirdly, when she shall be condemned.

>>16899202
First Point – Terror of the soul when she shall be presented to the Judge.

1. “It is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.” (Heb. ix. 27.) It is of faith that we shall die, and that after death a judgment shall be passed on all the actions of our life. Now, what shall be the terror of each of us when we shall be at the point of death, and shall have before our eyes the judgment which must take place the very moment the soul departs from the body? Then shall be decided our doom to eternal life, or to eternal death. At the time of the passage of their souls from this life to eternity, the sight of their past sins, the rigour of God’s judgment, and the uncertainty of their eternal salvation, have made the saints tremble. St. Mary Magdalene de Pazzia trembled in her sickness, through the fear of judgment; and to her confessor, when he endeavoured to give her courage, she said: “Ah! father, it is a terrible thing to appear before Christ in judgment.”

After spending so many years in penance in the desert, St. Agatho trembled at the hour of death, and said: ”What shall become of me when I shall be judged ?” The venerable Father Louis da Ponte was seized with such a fit of trembling at the thought of the account which he should render to God, that he shook the room in which he lay. The thought of judgment inspired the venerable Juvenal Ancina, Priest of the Oratory, and afterwards Bishop of Saluzzo, with the determination to leave the world. Hearing the Dies Iræ sung, and considering the terror of the soul when presented before Jesus Christ, the Judge, he took, and afterwards executed, the resolution of giving himself entirely to God.

2. It is the common opinion of theologians, that at the very moment and in the very place in which the soul departs from the body, the divine tribunal is erected, the accusation is read, and the sentence is passed by Jesus Christ, the Judge. At this terrible tribunal each of us shall be presented to give an account of all our thoughts, of all our words, and of all our actions. “For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.” ( 2 Cor. v. 10.)

>>16899221
When presented before an earthly judge criminals have been seen to fall into a cold sweat through fear. It is related of Piso, that so great and insufferable was the confusion, which he felt at the thought of appearing as a criminal before the senate that he killed himself. How great is the pain of a vassal, or of a son, in appearing before an angry prince or an enraged father, to account for some crime which he has committed!

Oh! how much greater shall be the pain and confusion of the soul in standing, before Jesus Christ enraged against her for having despised him during her life! Speaking of judgment, St. Luke says: “Then you shall see the Son of Man.” (Luke xxi. 27.) They shall see Jesus Christ as man, with the same wounds with which he ascended into heaven. “Great joy of the beholders!” says Robert the Abbot, “a great terror of those who are in expectation!” These wounds shall console the just, and shall terrify the wicked. In them sinners shall see the Redeemer’s love for themselves, and their ingratitude to him.

3. “Who,” says the Prophet Nahum, “can stand before the face of his indignation ?” (i. 6.) How great, then, shall be the terror of a soul that finds herself in sin before this Judge, the first time she shall see him, and see him full of wrath! St. Basil says that she shall be tortured more by her shame and confusion than by the very fire of hell. ”Horridior quam ignis, erit pudor.” Philip the Second rebuked one of his domestics for having told him a lie. ”Is it thus,” said the king to him, ”you deceive me?” The domestic, after having returned home, died of grief. The Scripture tells us, that when Joseph reproved his brethren, saying: ”I am Joseph, whom you sold,” they were unable to answer through fear, and remained silent. ”His brethren could not answer him, being struck with exceeding great fear.” (Gen. xlv. 3.)

Now what answer shall sinners make to Jesus Christ when he shall say to them: I am your Redeemer and your Judge, whom you have so much despised. Where shall the miserable beings fly, says St. Augustine, when they shall see an angry Judge above, hell open below, on one side their own sins accusing them, and on the other the devils dragging them to punishment, and their conscience burning them within? “Above shall be an enraged Judge below, a horrid chaos on the right, sins accusing him on the left, demons dragging him to punishment within, a burning conscience! Whither shall a sinner, beset in this manner, fly ?”Perhaps he will cry for mercy? But how, asks Eusebius Emissenus, can he dare to implore mercy, when he must first render an account of his contempt for the mercy which Jesus Christ has shown to him?”With what face will you, who are to be first judged for contempt of mercy, ask for mercy?” But let us come to the rendering of the accounts.

>>16898897
Humans tend to drag God through the mire. God has to work through the sinful capacities of a fallen Humanity. This is one reason why Christ was crucified. This is a universal truth about the process of how humans and God interact.

>>16899229
>has to

>>16899227
Second Point. Terror of the soul when she shall be examined.

4. As soon as the soul shall be presented before the tribunal of Jesus Christ, he will say to her: ”Give an account of thy stewardship:” render instantly an account of thy entire life. The Apostle tells us, that to be worthy of eternal glory our lives must be found conformable to the life of Jesus Christ. ”For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his son ;…them he also glorified.” (Rom. viii. 29, 30.)

Hence St. Peter has said, that in the judgment of Jesus Christ, the just man who has observed the divine law, has pardoned enemies, has respected the saints, has practised chastity, meekness, and other virtues, shall scarcely be saved. ”The just man shall scarcely be saved.” The Apostle adds: “Where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear ?” (1 Pet. iv. 18.) What shall become of the vindictive and the unchaste, of blasphemers and slanderers? What shall become of those whose entire life is opposed to the lite of Jesus Christ?

5. In the first place, the Judge shall demand of sinners an account of all the blessings and graces which he bestowed on them in order to bring them to salvation, and which they have rendered fruitless. He will demand an account of the years granted to them that they might serve God, and which they have spent in offending him. “He hath called against me the time.” (Lam. i. 15.) He will then demand an account of their sins. Sinners commit sins, and afterwards forget them; but Jesus Christ does not forget them: he keeps, as Job says, all our iniquities numbered, as it were in a bag. “Thou hast sealed up my iniquities, as it were in a.” (Job xiv. 17.) And he tells us that, on the day of accounts, he will take a lamp to scrutinize all the actions of our life. ”And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with lamps.” (Soph. i. 12.)

The lamp, says Mendoza on this passage, penetrates all the corners of the house that is, God will discover all the defects of our conscience, great and small. According to St. Anselm, an account shall be demanded of every glance of the eyes. ”Exigitur usque ad ictum oculi.” And, according to St. Matthew, of every idle word. ”Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it on the day of judgment.” (Matt. xii. 36.)

>>16899249
7. ”Weight and balance are judgments of the Lord. ”(Prov. xvi. 11.) In the balance of the Lord a holy life and good works make the scale descend; but nobility, wealth, and science have no weight. Hence, if found innocent, the peasant, the poor, and the ignorant shall be rewarded. But the man of rank, of wealth, or of learning, if found guilty, shall be condemned. “Thou art weighed in the balance,” said Daniel to Belthassar, ”and art found wanting.” (Dan. v. 27.)”Neither his gold nor his wealth,” says Father Alvares, ”but the king alone was weighed.”

8. At the divine tribunal the poor sinner shall see himself accused by the devil, who, according to St. Augustine, ”will recite the words of our profession, and will charge us before our face with all that we have done, will state the day and hour in which we sinned.” (Con. Jud., tom. 6.)”He will recite the words of our profession” that is, he will enumerate the promises which we have made to God, and which we afterwards violated. ”He will charge us before our face ;” he will upbraid us with all our wicked deeds, pointing to the day and hour in which they were committed. And he will, as the same saint says, conclude his accusation by saying: “I have suffered neither stripes nor scourges for this man.”

Lord, I have suffered nothing for this ungrateful sinner, and to make himself my slave he has turned his back on thee who has endured so much for his salvation. He, therefore, justly belongs to me. Even his angel-guardian will, according to Origen, come forward to accuse him, and will say: “I have laboured so many years for his salvation; but he has despised all my admonitions.” “Unusquisque angelorum perhibet testimonium, quot annis circa eum laboraverit, sed ille monita sprevit.” (Hom. lxvi.) Thus, even friends shall treat with contempt the guilty soul. ”All her friends have despised her.” (Lamen. i. 2.) Her very sins shall, says St. Bernard, accuse her. “And they shall say: You have made us; we are your work; we shall not desert you.” (Lib. Medit, cap. ii.) We are your offspring; we shall not leave you: we shall be your companions in hell for all eternity.

>>16899256
9. Let us now examine the excuses which the sinner will be able to advance. He will say, that the evil inclinations of nature had drawn him into sin. But he shall be told that, if concupiscence impelled him to sins, it did not oblige him to commit them; and that, if he had recourse to God, he should have received from him grace to resist every temptation. For this purpose Jesus Christ has left us the sacraments: but when we do not make use of them, we can complain only of ourselves. “But, ” says the Redeemer, “now they have no excuse for their sin.” (John xv. 22.) To excuse himself, the sinner shall also say that the devil tempted him to sin. But, as St. Augustine says, “The enemy is bound like a dog in chains, and can bite only him who has united himself to him with a deadly security.”

The devil can bark, but cannot bite unless you adhere and listen to him. Hence the saint adds: ”See how foolish is the man whom a dog, loaded with chains, bites.” Perhaps he will advance his bad habits as an excuse; but this shall not stand; for the same St. Augustine says, that though it is difficult to resist the force of an evil habit, ”if any one does not desert himself, he will conquer it with the divine assistance.” If a man does not abandon himself to sin, and invokes God’s aid, he will overcome evil habits. The Apostle tells us, that the Lord does not permit us to be tempted above our strength. ”God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able.” ( I Cor. x. 13.)

10. ”For what shall I do,” said Job, ”when God shall rise to judge me? and when he shall examine, what shall I answer him” (Job xxxi. 14.) What answer shall the sinner give to Jesus Christ? How can he, who sees himself so clearly convicted, give an answer? He shall be covered with confusion, and shall remain silent, like the man found without the nuptial garment. ”But he was silent.” (Matt. xxii. 12.) His very sins shall shut the sinner’s mouth. “And all iniquity shall stop her mouth.” (Ps. cvi. 42.)

There,, says St. Thomas of Villanova, there shall be no intercessor to whom the sinner can have recourse. ”There, there is no opportunity of sinning; there, no intercessor, no friend, no father shall assist.” Who shall then save you? Is it God? But how, asks St. Basil, can you expect salvation from him whom you have despised?”Who shall deliver you? Is it God, whom you have insulted ?” (S. Bas., Or. 4, de Fen.) Alas! the guilty soul that leaves this world in sin, is condemned by herself before the Judge pronounces sentence. Let us come to the sentence of the Judge.

>>16899015
>>16898961
>>16898985
Zeus's function as a Father was expressed through the great conduit of change, giving way to creation and destruction. It's no wonder so many Greek entities were spawned from Zeus's dickings or fits of anger. He almost always has the creative and authoritative capacity to dominate whichever circumstance. See: Samsara, The All Consuming Fire of God, Ouroboros,

Odin's function as a father was similar in that he is a great patriarch that diverges to concieve various lesser Gods but Odins entire mission and general meaning was about accumulating as much wisdom and knowledge possible through various self sacrifices in hopes that he could heal the cosmos and world.

They are certainly similar in the hierarchal sense but not the actual methods which grant them divine primacy.

>>16899263
Third Point. Terror of the soul when she shall be condemned.

11. How great shall be the joy of a soul when, at death, she hears from Jesus Christ these sweet words: ”Well done, good and faithful servant; because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.” (Matt. xxv. 21.) Equally great shall be the anguish and despair of a guilty soul, that shall see herself driven away by the Judge with the following words: ”Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire” (verse 41). Oh! what a terrible thunderclap shall that sentence be to her!”Oh! how frightfully,” says the Carthusian, “shall that thunder resound!” Eusebius writes, that the terror of sinners at hearing their condemnation shall be so great that, if they could, they would die again.

“The wicked shall be seized with such terror at the sight of the Judge pronouncing sentence that, if they were not immortal, they should die a second time.” But, brethren, let us, before the termination of this sermon, make some reflections which will be profitable to us. St. Thomas of Villanova says, that some listen to discourses on the judgment and condemnation of the wicked with as little concern as if they they themselves were secure against these things, or as if the day of judgment were never to arive for them. “Heu quam securi hæc dicimus et audimus, quasi nos non tangeret hæc sententia, aut quasi dies hæc nunquam esset venturus!” (Conc, i., de Jud.) The saint then asks: Is it not great folly to entertain security in so perilous an affair? “Quæ est ista stulta securitas in discrimine tanto?”

There are some, says St. Augustine, who, though they live in sin, cannot imagine that God will send them to hell. ”Will God,” they say, ”really condemn us ?” Brethren, adds the saint, do not speak thus. So, many of the damned did not believe that they should be sent to hell; but the end came, and, according to the threat of Ezechiel, they have been cast into that place of darkness. “The end is come, the end is come… and I will send my wrath upon thee, and I will judge thee.” (Ezec. vii. 2, 3.)

Sinners, perhaps vengeance is at hand for you, and still you laugh and sleep in sin. Who will not tremble at the words of the Baptist: ”For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree, therefore, that doth not yield good fruit shall be cut down and cast into the fire.” (Matt, iii. 10.) He says, that every tree that does not bring forth good fruit shall be cut down and cast into the fire; and he promises that, with regard to the trees, which represent sinners, the axe is already laid to the roots that is, chastisement is at hand. Dearly beloved brethren, let us follow the counsel of the Holy Ghost “Before judgment, prepare thee justice.” (Eccl. xviii. 19.)

>>16899272
Let us adjust our accounts before the day of accounts. Let us seek God, now that we can find him; for the time shall come when we will wish, but shall not be able to find him. ”You shall seek me, and shall not find me.” (John vii. 36.)”Before judgment,” says St. Augustine, ”the Judge can be appeased, but not in judgment.” By a change of life we can now appease the anger of Jesus Christ, and recover his grace; but when he shall judge, and find us in sin, he must execute justice, and we shall be lost.

—St. Alphonsus de Liguori

>>16899243
Yes because humans have to have freedom. that's why spiritual practice is so important for getting near to God. It might be painful to have freedom but we cannot get rid of the fact that we have perceptions and desires. Our freedom can however become enlightened by God as that is the truth which makes us free. The fearful who regret most likely have more capacity to turn to God than those rare demoniacs that will scream fuck you flipping everyone off as they jump into the abyss.

Our own freedom is our own judgment. There are some that love condemnation more than mercy. There Is No Escape From the fate of our freedom. But if you do not properly understand the justice of God then your perception of God's justice will be one of an unjust judge. If you do not think that God would save 1 iota of a person that was good and that he would desire to slay all the persons in a person that were sinful and keeping his beloved away from him then you do not know what divine love and wisdom is. all the fear-mongering is only to more quickly draw some types of souls to himself. You imperfect and weak Souls shall be judged but your judgment will be for your benefit. Your judgment will not be over an offended God who spewed out blood over you. God is offended at the evils keeping his beloved away from himself. Those Souls that are better shall be set over those that are worse. Hell is a reality but you do not know the ways of God.

>>16898897
It's most likely not true. Just look at how incredibly narrow in mind and scope Christian teachings are. Do you really think the mystery of existence, life and death could possibly be summed up with such a mundane myth? This goes for other religions as well, but abrahamic faiths in particular. It's more likely that the truth of divinity and consciousness are far more profound and indescribable, and not related to a compilation of stories about tribes in the desert.
If the Bible truly is the ultimate nature of reality, how boring.

>>16899157
I don't need to explain shit, the work and research of professionals is more credible than a fucking cripplechan post.
>a fucking 8gag post
Imagine being this mentally deranged holy shit, seek help

>>16898915
>allah
Fanfic
>Zeus
Fanfic
>Odin
Fanfic
>Yaweh
Jew

>>16901391
Lmao, where is "muh science" now edgelord?
Absolutely pathetic, there's no proof that could be shown to zombified consoomers to make them believe in Christ.
>“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

>>16901488
>Absolutely pathetic, there's no proof that could be shown to zombified consoomers to make them believe in Christ.
This is why your religions appeal only to low iq shitskins.

>>16898897
But what if you're following the Antichrist and the Jews are right? You're very much fucked man.

>>16901488
Imagine thinking the best proof God exists is some rag.

>>16901502
>the best proof God exists
There are more than enough proofs for the existence of God but no amount of proofs will ever prove a jew on a stick is the true God.

>>16901509
Sure there are.

>>16899157
>>16898989
what is this about

>>16898897
It is all true

If the Christian God is real then he shouldn't have given us reason. Or he would have made his doctrines and mythology more reasonable. Simple as.

>>16901502
This thread is about Jesus and YHWH though, not Zeus.

>>16898915
Something tells me the one true god is a Patagonian monkey spirit named Patnapashi who is the literal patron saint of stupidity.

>>16898897
>We have been set up for failure
I'll take my chances and live it up now.

>>16899026
subhanallah

>>16898897
Why not? We have more reasons to believe it’s bullshit that that it’s true. Any loving compassionate god would see that we believed what we could comprehend, which is all he could ask for

>>16901391
There is still no scientific consensus about the shroud. Investigations are still being led.

>A variety of methods have been proposed for the formation of the image, but the actual method used has not yet been conclusively identified.[15] The shroud continues to be both intensely studied and controversial.[16][17][18][19]

You could have read just the wikipedia page at least.

>>16900882
You chafe at the simplicity of the low lesson, but you are not competent enough for the high lesson.

>>16899277
Holy mother of based

What if the real god was a malevolent trickster god who sends everyone to hell just for a laugh?

>>16902726
What is "the high lesson"?
You're being purposefully vague, but your words are vacuous, and my point still stands.

The Lord is with me, Christ is by my side, I live in the community of the Holy Spirit.

>>16902826
>What is "the high lesson"?
A very nice new piece of Jordanetics

>>16901497
>>16901502
Still haven't countered any point about Turin's mantle.
The absolute state of fedoras