/lit/ - Literature

read some Rothfuss and the dialogue and certain passages gave me second-hand embarrassment

>>16894546
/sffg/ claims to hate Sanderson, yet you put him on the OP. Oh, the hypotenuse...

>>16894581
/sffg/ hates everything and everyone, and yet we keep coming back

Anyone here read this? I remember reading this a couple of years ago and it was incredibly right about many things happening in the future. It took very long to read though so I consider rereading (or relistening) it as an audiobook.
What are your thoughts?

>>16894581
>/sffg/ is one person

>>16894570
a touch too reddit, perhaps?

>>16894581
/sffg/ is tsundere for Sanderson

>>16894546
I cleaned my apartment, am I literally Hitler?

>>16894581
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit

>Here's a couple of compositional facts to help you all contextualize what I was trying to do: I actually had several arguments with my first editor, Michael Schellenberger, because he was convinced that I needed to make Conphas a women to broaden the appeal of the work. I needed, he insisted, an empowered female character. The reason I fought that, despite all the insecurity of being a first time author, was that it smacked of tokenism. He told me I would regret it, that my points would go unappreciated, and that the majority of women would be alienated by my books.

not a bad idea desu

>>16894907
((Schellenberger))

>>16894907
>the majority of women would be alienated by my books
he was right

>>16894687
I don't think anyone here likes the guy unironically. there's not a single aspect of his writing (except for the sheer volume) that anyone could possibly find enjoyable

>>16895119
It has been proven that people on here read his books.

>>16895136
doesn't mean they like his writing. knee deep in sunk cost

>>16895119
Yeah yeah we get it, I'm impressed you managed to write a post without mentioning his prose and telling us it's shit while hoping very hard no one asks you to prove it

>>16895146
>sanderfag prose

>>16895148
Four words? Really? How many word is that novel?

>>16895227
doesn't matter when he thinks using 'literally' like a 14 year old girl is acceptable

>>16895248
Guess that's all you can get

Any underrated fantasy books that aren't constantly mentioned in /sffg/ threads?

Fairy stories are fine, too.

>sanderfag prose [2]

>>16895372
[pic related]

Fuck. I'm suffering Daniel Black withdrawals.
.....e William Brown

>>16895481
Thanks for the rec, anon!

>>16895372
Little, Big by John Crowley

>>16895248
>>16895148
You realize 3 of those are character dialogue, right?

>>16895372

The Dreaming Tree, CJ Cherryh

The prose..

>>16895903
>rysn (567)
>rysn asked (24)
So what else does he do?

>>16895889
Oh okay, I guess that turns it from bad to good then

>>16894546
What are some lesser known novels from authors better remember for greater works?

Is Revelation Space any good? I'm in the mood to read some science fiction.

>>16896296
Drop it after the first one.

>>16896319
Why?

I finished Wheel of Time today.
Recommend me something to cope with the withdrawals.

>>16896359
Wheel of Time (reread)

>>16896296
The first one is the worst, it gets better.

>>16895971
>>16895381
Lopen is fantasy Mexican.
If you want something to be annoyed about, is how many times Shallan says "yeah"

>>16896296
Yes.

>>16896457
Reread is actually happening in my native language. And aloud to my wife.

Thank you anon for the recommendation.

can anyone recommend some good, long escapist sci-fi

>>16895903
GLANCED

>>16896359
>about over half way through 'The Eye of the World'

Fuck me, this is a long winded book. No idea how I am going to manage another 14 of these. I may have to throw in another series between books.
I am enjoying it for the most part though.

Team ranking so far is;
Nynaeve>Rand>Lan>Moirane>Perrin>Thom>Egwene>Mat

Nynaeve is best, no doubt, and Rand is up there only because we have spent so much time with him.
Egwene is so fucking useless. She wanted an adventure, now she is constantly crying about danger. Also she runs off with any guy who looks at her. The group is in constant danger, Egwene, maybe it isn't the best time to start fooling around with some pacifistic just because he smiled at you!
Mat is the worst though. I get he is meant to be some mischief maker, but what an absolute bellend he is. Does nothing but cause trouble and constantly keeps blabbing his mouth to strangers.

>>16896629
Muv-Luv

>>16896116

an old favorite

>>16895903
Strange is a great word. Probably my favorite word.

>House on the Borderland
>Night Land
>Last and First Men
>Day of the Triffids
>Voyage to Arcturus
Early 20th century sci-fi is the purest SOUL shit ever

>The Herald seemed not to have heard him. He was staring at Szeth’s sword as it dripped black liquid smoke. Around it, the white light of the perpendicularity warped and was consumed, like water down a drain.
What was going through Ishar's head here?

Any good new horror?

>>16896993
2021 is the year of spoony i can feel it.
hes gonna do it.

>>16896727
>Fuck me, this is a long winded book.
While beginning and middle are indeed pretty dull, I'd argue it's still one of the brisker tomes in the series cause characters actually move from place to place and stuff happens.

>>16896727
>Mat is a bellend
Fuck you he is my favourite character.
Nobody else and I mean NOBODY else has to go trough what he has. For sure he was kind of a prick at the beginning, but please give him a chance.

The series will open up once you are trough hunt of the horn.
Egwene has some of the best moments in books 9/10

But just go trough with the series, the ending is well worth it.
I just hope that Jordan had written the last books.

>>16895119
>nobody actually likes [popular thing], it's just stupid people doing it ironically

>>16895148
>>16895381
>I'm gonna post the same 2 bits of dialogue from a novella that amounts to fake language fan-fiction his readers paid him personally to make to demonstrate what a """hack""" he is
no u

>>16896565
what is this picture

>>16896359
>cope

more like celebrate your freedom. wheel of time is dragged out mediocrity that got released at just the right time.

What would King Arthur and Merlin be doing if they were on 4chan?

>>16897332
Merlin will be a 30+ year old virgin. King Author would raid other websites because it's funny

>>16897332

>>16895148
>These words aren't ok to use ever because some snob on the internet told me
Guess what, langauge advances.

>>16897367
Better yet
>You can't use the language because a group of people I've been conditioned to hate uses it

>>16897355
Berry good

>>16896116
Glenn Cook is best known for his Black Company novels, but I'd argue Garrett PI series is even better and totally different. Think Discworld Noir turned into a novel series. Amusing tidbit is Garrett constantly being drawn as a Noir provate eye when he's never described looking as one in what is a fantasy setting.

>>16897421
>Fantasy PI
Sounds fun.
Does he go after fantasy serial killers and stuff?

Why do people say the Witcher books are bad? I regret not reading them earlier.

>>16897421
>we will never have covers as good as this again

>>16897460
Does anyone say they're bad? They have a bit of a problem with rape, I've heard, but besides that, everyone I've heard talk about them says they're great.

>>16895891
>CJ Cherryh
Based.

>>16897135
im fully aware that sanderfag is very popular with nerdy teenage girls and fat redditors but that doesn't mean that us esteemed great taste havers of /sffg/ enjoy his doorstoppers unironically

>>16897503
Why don't Fantasy covers look like that anymore? Why have they embraced either gritty realism or basic graphic design with text?

I want to know.

>>16897332
>king arthur
Posting in the NTR general on /h/
>merlin
using /x/ to try to summon a succubus

>>16896954
>O shit that thing can kill me :DDDD

>>16897421
I like how the titles get increasingly worse

Being an idiot is required to post in this thread so there will only ever be idiotic posts. Yes, this post as well.

>>16897847
I agree, you fucking cretin

*writes more words per day than words you've spoken in the last year*

Since there are so many aspiring writers in this thread I'll just say I liked it.

>>16897923
He's the latina wife of writers

>>16893049
Chapter 5 had another threat of rape. I wonder if 6 will keep the streak alive.

I was reading the Kane series and enjoying it enough but Bloodstone really fucking sucks.
Kane's character seems to just fall apart and become completely disconnected from the previous books just to appease a twilight tier teen romance fantasy.

This was so fucking shit, how did Weeks drop the ball so hard? For the last quarter or so it felt like he was just preaching the Bible

>>16898308
The one before it was such a disappointment that I closed the jade gates and didn't read the finale. In the early books I thought he'd really fixed his game from those edgy teen assassin books. Such a shame.

>tfw bored, depressed and there's literally nothing worth reading

fuck man, what's the point to all this?

/sffg/, what are some books I can read that will remind me of the days when I was a teenager and thought I was a genius and everything was possible?

I liked the parts of The Name of the Wind and Ender's Game that focused on the protagonists passionately mastering new subjects. They made me feel whole again

Anyone read Fires of Vengeance yet? I was reading xianxia all month so I'm behind on new releases

>>16897122
>trough
>trough
>trough

>>>16898655
^^^ Made a thread with no Discord. Posting your Discord here is against the rules, you should stop doing it. Alternatively, if it's not against the rules, then this thread can stay up and I'll post a nice alternative SFFG Discord which isn't run by a douchebag:

FXDaKEy

>>16898405
Beggars in Spain

>>16895903
>Feet
Based.

>>16897594
>us esteemed great taste havers
only people with shit taste talk like this

>>16894546
>https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
I want really... weird scifi. Not just star trek bs, but stuff that's sort of strange.
Like the LSD dream emulator of scifi in a way
With some plot but no real schmaltz

> Any good ones?

>>16898405
snow crash

>>16898405
did you read wise man's fear? cause that has a lot more 'kvothe mastering new subjects' from what i remember

Read some more of the stories from Mirrorshades.
>snake-eyes (Tom Maddox)
Neat computers in my brain story, plus feral/alpha-beta-omega/in-heat fetish sex scenes
>rock on (Pat Cadigan)
Bold to assume rock and roll music would stay relevant, but I guess it was still the 80s.
>tales of Houdini (Rudy Rucker)
The author does not make the genre. Didn't belong. Fun little story, but didn't belong.

>>16898666
It's no good. He's a janitor here now and he just deletes any thread that doesn't contain his discord. Complain about it on the 4chan IRC and maybe something will eventually be done about it. Dude is seriously abusing his power.

>>16898729
oh god. fucking bridge to terabithia. That book was hundreds of pages of indescribable boredom capped off with 5 pages of jarring sadness. I literally was forced to sit through it three separate times as a kid and didn't even realize it was the same book until I got to the end.

>>16898754
man, I loved harry potter growing up and I still do, even though rowling herself seems to be going through a mental breakdown. I wish people wouldn't act like just because the books have a bunch of flaws we're obligated not to enjoy them anymore or pass them on to the next generation.

that said, I don't think harry potter fits the profile. The only thing that might is fan-novel I read back in college that told book 7 from Neville's perspective. I remember it took an interesting turn because the DA started studying things like wandless magic and casting spells in languages besides mangled latin.

>>16898776
I did. I think I enjoyed it at the time but looking back a lot of it was pretty garbage how rothfuss wasted half the book on that one boring quest with the bandits and the annoying pro-sex-anti-music people, but completely glossed over the part where kvoth got shipwrecked and kidnapped by pirates

is waldo rabbit over
I miss that series
that and way of the shaman were binge reads

>>16897644
It's depressing is what it is. Covers no longer capture your imagination, they don't grab you, every book looks the same.

>>16898405
>Ender's Game
still the only book I've read more than twice cover to cover
it's like you said, the pacing of that book man, it's one obstacle to master after the other, before I know it, I read 5 chapters

>>16897421
Same shit with them drawing Dresden Files with fedora and trenchcoat when he doesn't wear one.

I WANT TO TO READ GOOD BOOKS

>>16899061
the duster is canon, the hat isn't

>>16898865
>>16898666
Stop same fagging, faggot.
No one but discord trannies care if something is posted that takes people off site.

>>16899081
The author gave in after they drew him with it for years. Still didn't wear the fedora.

>>16899167
tranny janny seething

>>16899175
Do sci-fi authors not have any input in book covers? I know for a fact that other authors have a say in what their covers work in (or at least Romance authors do).

>>16899230
The only people who have a say are self published authors (because they are footing the bill) and big established authors whose name alone sells copies.

Like Danielle Steelw

>>16899241
It's strange that authors don't have a say. You would think they would.

>>16896993

Säcken, China Mieville

>>16899167
>Stop same fagging, faggot.
You are dumber than a bag of shit.

OuT bY tHe RoOtS

>>16899285
>yes, this proves something, I can't hide I'm a samefag with 4chan x
Fuck off and stop shitting up the thread with discord shit. Nobody here wants your /soc/ shit, go there if you want a meet up

I heard Dying Earth inspired Wolfe so I started reading them. I like the edgy bits in book 1 and the humour in Cugel's Saga excellent. What's the Vance recommendation next? I heard Arminta Station is similar to Cugel.

>>16899351
I don't even know what 4chan x is, you double digit IQ queer. And it seems like we're in agreement that Discords are not allowed here by the rules, so I don't know why you're defending the OP who is continually spamming his in every /sffg/ thread. Perhaps you are him or one of his friends?

>>16897594
>esteemed great taste havers of /sffg/
Except everyone here thinks that thing you like is garbage.

>>16899501
Sffg's taste is often terrible. Why, there are even people here who don't love Chateau Cascade!

idk I've asked for recs on here and I've been happy
you guys are alright I would make breakfast for you peeps

>>16899352
If you want more Dying Earth then read Rhialto the Marvelous, it's not nearly as good as Cugel's books but it's worth reading

If you want to try his standalone books the best choices are The Dragon Masters, Emphyrio and The Languages of Pao

If you want a series you can't go wrong with Lyonesse (Arthurian fantasy). If you want something light and pulpy then Tschai is good. Cadwal Chronicles (especially the latter two books) is some of his weakest work in terms of story telling but in other aspects he's at his peak.

>mfw the best Sci-Fi/Fantasy story I've read in the last couple of years has been a fanfic
Why do AAA authors fail to meet my actually pretty low standards, anons?

>>16900287
>>mfw the best Sci-Fi/Fantasy story I've read in the last couple of years has been a fanfic
Similar experience, though for me it was a VN.

>>16900287
>reads only AAA
>shifts to reading fanfic
You played yourself.
>>16900316
>tfw a VN is the only book I'm actively looking forward to

>>16900369
>actively looking forward to
Which one?

>>16900376
Head AS Code (remake) - may be out by January

>>16900394
Ah, I don't follow EVNs at all.

>>16900394
Also the one I was referring to earlier (>>16900316) was Island, by the way. I recommend that one highly.

>>16898372
Eat well, sleep well, and go for a one hour brisk walk every day for a week. Report back here then and see if you’re still “depressed”

>>16900435
It's complementary VN was the closest thing I've found to ever17 so here I am.
>>16900494
I've heard of it but I have way too much going on to add more shit to read. I'm trying to get through some RPGs right now actually solely for their stories.

>>16900506
its not it's*
fuck me

>>16896836
House on the borderland is a GOAT book

>>16900506
>I've heard of it but I have way too much going on to add more shit to read.
Fair enough, it's kind of long anyway (30-50 hours).

>>16900287
>AAA authors

>>16898308
He should've wrapped it all up in the fourth book instead of dragging it on. There is just so much crap in the last book that a competent editor would just throw away and made him write again.

>>16900287
If you like fanfic read Gideon the Ninth, it's super cringe and I loved it.

does anyone here actually like sandersons writing? what do you like about it?

>>16901443
It's not overly complicated or obtuse in any way. He gets across precisely what he wants in a simple manner, making for a very fast and easy read, and despite what wannabe elites will say, his way of writing is perfectly fine. Not everything needs to be in fucking Gealic to be considered good.

>>16901443
I don't find it unenjoyable enough to pick fights with strangers on the internet when there's a lot of legitimate merit to his writing overall. His style isn't for everyone. Opinions are subjective.

>>16901443
Fun things are fun.

>>16896116
Valis by Philip k dick is different in that it's auto bigraphical but it's also his more insane works. If your familiar with his other work then I would recommend it.

>>16898760
>>16901507

>>16897836
Titanic titanium travesty

>>16901507
Literally his only work I've never read, how is it?

>>16894546
Why is /litrpg/ and /gamelit/ suddenly so popular? Some of these have more positive reviews than something like Branderson who already has a ton.

>>16901550
Autists tend to flock there. It's a niche that everyone with half a brain stays away from so the only ones reviewing it are the droolies that would enjoy it no matter what. It's like asking why the scat-themed brothel in town has 5 star reviews while the regular one has only 3.8.

This site has ruined all media for me.
Does 'Wheel of Time' have much more of this cuckoldry shit?

>>16901603
Sounds like a you problem my man

>>16901544
Different anon here, VALIS is great. Fucking wild though

The Roman Empire never ended

Good morning fellow nerds
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>>16901550
low standards. the readers know exactly what they want - popcorn - and they get exactly what they want - popcorn.

>>16901603
Is there a more pathetic people than the not-gypsies from WoT?

>>16901603
Love triangles are a staple of every long term book saga ever.

>>16901603
Bro Egwene was never into Perrin in the first place, who cares if she bangs a rando. There's lots of relationships, but I haven't seen any legit cucking (book 6).

>>16901674
>Egwene was never into Perrin in the first place
Rand isn't even cold in the ground, and shes already moved on with this pikey.
>There's lots of relationships
Disgusting.
The only relationship I would want to see is Nynaeve and Lan.
>>16901672
I don't subscribe to this 'multiple partner love triangle rivalry shit', that shit is what women read.
I just want a comfy adventure.

>>16901699
>I don't subscribe to this 'multiple partner love triangle rivalry shit'
You haven't read a lot of books, have you.

>>16901699
No idea why you're getting mad over Egwene, one of the worst females in the entire series. I'ma spoil this for you right now: Egwene and Rand never get together. They're not meant to. Their initial teased relationship is a red herring. Also Rand ends up marrying and banging 3 different women in the books. You've already met one of them at the point you're at.

sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit
sanderhack a shit
> sanderhack a shit

>>16901726
>Egwene and Rand never get together
I know, the cute soothsayer told him that already.
Doesn't mean she gets to fuck anything that moves the moment she is separated from him.

Women have too much power in this book. I don't like it. They are too cocky.
My fragile male ego can't handle it.

>>16901746
Her visions come true for a reason. Them not getting together isn't some epic tragedy where they were unwillingly separated. It's more like there was no reason for them to ever be together except proximity, and once they left the village there was nothing holding them together as a couple. They just grow apart. There's no drama in it really, both characters are pretty mature about it and clear the air between them pretty early on in the story so there's no hard feelings. To the contrary they're both relieved the other took it so well.

Also, if it makes you feel better Rand is technically the first one to move on and gets with one of his future wives almost immediately after he officially dumped Egwene, and Egwene even encouraged the relationship. He actually gets with each of his 3 lovers before Egwene even loses her virginity.

1632/Ring of Fire: Cringe or not?

>>16901746
Don't be misled by her flirting with Aram, Egwene is actually one of the most chaste characters in the series, and is actually the last of the Emondsfielders to get laid. That's right, Perrin, Mat, Rand, even Nynaeve all get some action before she does.

>>16901699
>cucked by someone you're not in a relationship with
so basically every girl that smiled at you is cucking you if they bang chad?

>>16901827
Yes, women should wear chastity belts that only I have the key to

>>16901814
When Nynaeve gets laid before you, that's when you know you might be a cold fish.

>>16897421
>Garrett PI
God, I hate this series. It started out alright, but then you have Garrett keep on sparing outright evil fucks just because they're women and he doesn't want to hurt or kill women. Cringeworthy shit.

Where do I start with Vance, Tales of the Dying Earth or the Jack Vance Treasury?

What's your most anticipated upcoming book?

>>16901550
What the hell is /litrpg/ and /gamelit/?

Is it a retelling of some DnD campaign or something?

>>16901952
Winds of Winter

>>16901977
I said upcoming, not cancelled

>>16901814
>>16901865
I like Nynaeve though.
Please don't let her cuck me.

>>16901983
It's not cancelled though.
It's just postponed until after the funeral.

>>16901992
Maybe when Fat Man dies they can get Sanderson to finish the series

>>16901999
Didn't he already say that if (when) he dies before he finishes, he wants King to finish the series for him.
Imagine actually wanting a shit ending for your series.

>>16902007
>King
What the fuck
I mean yeah, King definitely would put words to paper, he'd get Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring out in the same year
But...
Yeah. That classic King ending.

>>16902019
Bran travels back in time to become the first White Walker.

>>16902104
No, the White Walkers are lead by a giant spider who is defeated when Rickon has sex with Arya

>>16901814
>Egwene is actually one of the most chaste characters in the series
Because everyone except that one guy recognized the fact that she's a vile serpent

Barnson Sundersan

>>16901963
Its kind of like Western Wuxia. Its a ton of different genres, but you usually have a hero/group who gets into a game/rpg and the story of this (without the reader knowing or with the reader knowing about it).

The quality varies largely, but it can be very fun if you like high/power fantasy/scifi.

>>16902315
Why does he get people so fired up?

>>16901952
Why is literally every book in this series other than the first complete shit? How did Lynch write one great book and just lose all semblance of talent?

>>16902336
Popular = bad

>>16900287
I'm guessing you love badly written concept fiction aka SCP or creepypasta shit

>>16901671
Aes Sedai.

>>16901746
>Women have too much power in this book. I don't like it. They are too cocky.
lul, EotW is super low key on this compared to rest.

>>16902529
Please don't be true.
I'm already sick of this 'Women are great, and Men are shit' that Moiraine keeps harking on about.

>>16902565
RJ deliberately made both men and women retards for equality. Everyone harks about the opposite sex, but you're only triggered when women do it.

>>16902565
If it makes you feel any better the women are shown to be wrong about their uppity ways and get BTFO

>>16902613
>both men and women retards for equality
It's not 'equality' but 'supremacy'
>you're only triggered when women do it.
That's because it's only been women doing it so far.
Perrin had a quick line about Men not needing to be taught to be Men, unlike Women, but other than that it's just been about how shit and evil Men are.

>>16902704
Keep reading dude, Chad al'Thor is going to put ever bitch in her place

>>16902704
>It's not 'equality' but 'supremacy'
Both sides want to be supreme. That's why they're equally retarded.

>>16894546
Junkyard Plant / The Cosmic Computer - H. Beam Piper, part of the Terro-Human Future History Series

The former title is the original. This is the the novel version of his short work "Graveyard of Dreams". I enjoyed this version more, though not by much.
The book is very much pro-capitalism. The characters strongly believe that there's little that a limited liability corporation and the judicious use of violence can't solve.
Unfortunately none of the covers are particularly representative of the actual content, as its relatively light on action, and the scene depicted in the cover is the only time a significant firefight occurs.
Most of the novel is concerned with the protagonist returning from University in the hope the he will be able to revitalize his junkyard planet, but the only thing everyone wants to do is find the the cosmic computer known as Merlin and have it solve all their problems. So much so that that it's become a religion. The protagonist co-opts this religious fervor and hopes to redirect it towards planetary restoration, improved trade, and invigoration of their stagnant culture.
I assume it's a reference to the Reconstruction era following the Civil War, which is probably the System States War in this universe.

Rating: 3.5 (rounded down to 3 in this case, unfortunately)

>>16901952
How is this "upcoming"? It was supposed to come out in 2010 and 2017 but I can't find anything about it coming out any time soon

>>16902565
Good God you're insecure, shut the fuck up you tumblrina

>>16903042
published in 1963.
Mistakes happen. Either way.

>>16903042
Beautiful cover art, love this pulpy cheesy shit.

>>16903057
Lex Luthor!

>>16903057
What went wrong?

>>16903126
The one on the left is a comic

>>16902565
I mean, women are comically incompetent baboons throughout the series, it just never stops them from claiming superiority.
>>16902707
Tell me he balefires Cadsuane. And all the rest AS that walk all over him and his lands in COS&APoD

>>16903211
Who needs balefire when you can spank?

>>16901963
Its when a story uses game mechanics as a plot device. Litrpgs usually have things like stats and leveling up or gaining skills while game lit is a more loose definition like for example a gamelike world that has adventurers or some sort of guild but doesn't necessarily have stats or number to go along with it.
Typically such books are in a portal fantasy setting but its not really required or a defining feature. An example for litrpg would be something like Charles Dean's The Bathrobe Knight while an example for gamelit would be something like Ready Player One or Sidequest: in Realms Ungoogled. Quality of such works vary widely and there are certain tropes associated with the genres but if you don't take it too serious and read it like schlocky pulp it can be great fun.

>>16901507
>tfw VALIS was my first Dick
>now read more Dick than anyone else in the thread
I don't even considering how different VALIS' prose is to most everything else of his.

>>16903366
So youre saying you cant get enough dick?

>>16903475
To be fair, some dicks are just plain irresistible

>>16902704
>>16902565
How are you this insecure? The women in WoT act uppity but they're not really any better than men when you get down to it. Yet it looks like the simple fact women aren't meek and dominated by men is giving you panic attacks. Why are you like this? Were you tortured as a toddler by your babysitter or something?

>>16900287
>AAA authors
I didn't believe him, but that anon last thread was right. We are being invaded by /v/irgins

>>16895481
just finished this. the short stories were the best part, good rec. amazing writer

>>16903362
What are some of the best /gamelit/ books that you guys recommend?

I have an english essay to write on any kind of contemporary work involving an element of an ancient greek myth/epic/drama/whatever.
Lets say up to 30-20 years ago. I'd like to both read a sffg book and have a subject for the essay if you got any ideas. No need for highbrow stuff, this is a first year three paragraphs 'essay'

Where do I go from here, bros?

>>16904329

>>16901814
>Egwene is actually one of the most chaste characters in the series, and is actually the last of the Emondsfielders to get laid

There is sex in these books?
I thought they were meant for kids.

>>16902488
No. It's a fic about spaceship-racing tournament in alien planets. It's pretty fun

What are some series or stand alone novels where we don't actually see the big battle or smaller battles but all of them are secondary accounts but described in such horrific way the characters didn't need to be there to get a sense of how apocalyptic they could be?

>>16904392
A solid third of the series is spent arguing about who should Rand fuck.

>>16904329
Soldier in the Mist, but you'll need read quite a few classic texts (Herodotus as a must).

>>16898666
This is the better SFFG Discord.

>>16901999
I think Sanderson doesn't like asoiaf because it isn't Mormon enough.

>>16895372
The mermaids tale by D.G. Valdron
The Risen Kingdoms series by curtis craddock

>>16895372
felix castor series by mike carey

Bump

>>16901963
For litrpg, Read the Russians. Much more fun and less emotionally needy than western writers.

Just finished The Poppy Wars & The Dragon Republic, better than expected. Gunna read The Burning God sometime in the next few weeks. Need some good stuff to read soon because I'm running out of good stuff. Am pretty excited for some stuff coming out next year, but recently most everything coming out looks pretty shit.

>>16905439
I prefer Chinese and Korean

>>16905520
Do they write litrpg or is it all that cultivation shit?

I just finished Children of Dune. Is Frank Herbert a jew? Because this book genuinely fascinates me at how it managed to predict the abolishing of conservative values and the horrors that come with said abolishing.

>>16905526
All the stuff with a “system” is litrpg essentially

/sffg/, what do you think is the most important part of a novel?

I've found that between the setting, the magic, the meaning and the plot I've become more attached to my characters than I ever thought I would

>>16905685
For me personally, good prose. I want to feel like I'm in a magical wonderland, not just have gray, vacuous descriptions of mundane things.

>>16905682
Eh. I find them quite different. Cultivation has ruined every book I've found it in, but I'll try a native one before I dismiss it entirely.

>>16905740
Depends on weather the system is applied to everyone or it’s just a cheat for the protag
Don’t expect any sort of quality from these stories

Rec me some fantasy with pedestrian, low stakes plots. None of that killing the greater demon toppling the evil empire preventing multiversal apocalypse stuff. I'm looking for stories along the veins of personal vengeance, prison breaks, simple greed etc.

>>16905927
Discworld tends to be low stakes, and it's pretty flippant even when the stakes are high

What are some of your favorite and least favorite tropes in fantasy, bros?

Haha guys what if melange is actually just marijuana? Haha

>>16905897
Rec me a litmus test cultivation book or two that I can use to give the genre a fair shake

>>16898119
Yup, Chapter 6 has another threat of rape. The whole book pretty much revolved around saving maidens from being raped.

>>16866230
Anyway, it was a fun book. I heard the humorous cadence. Which I'm still not certain if it was intentional or not. People are always declaring their intentions very clearly for some reason. Like a couple of kids playing pretend, and declaring what their special move does. I didn't know what to expect going in, so I was a little surprised to find that the book was essentially a collection of short fairytales. All in all, I liked it.

Like I said before, it has a Tales Gets Trolled quality to it. IDK if you're familiar with that, but it's an internet meme classic.

>>16866097
Tell me, why should I get into Lyonesse, and not all the other books Jack Vance wrote before it?

>>16906216
Isn't it just ayahuasca though?

>>16904350

>>16900999
>n i n t h

>>16897836
What's the deal with the metal autism?

>>16905685
In order for a book to be one of my favorites, then it has to have strong characters. I want to know what they're thinking, and how they're processing the world around them.
But in order to keep me reading at all, the book needs to be intriguing. If it can make me wonder what's happening next, or leave me in suspense for what is happening currently, then I'm satisfied. I don't like books that just tell me everything that's happening directly. Because then I have nothing to think about. It's not stimulating. That's why I don't care much for action sequences. Because it's just like "they did this attack, then that attack, then dodged..." I'm sorry, but the plot is halted just so characters can run around looking cool doing actiony stuff? Boring.

>>16897421
Wicked Bronze Ambition might as well be a gfycat url

>>16900287
for me? it was a chinkshit thats still unfinished due to being too critical of the ccp

>>16901443
his prose is mostly easy to read but his dialogue is so cringe i simply cant read him

>>16901952
the no god i guess

>>16906868
>it was a chinkshit thats still unfinished due to being too critical of the ccp
>ccp
... chinese communist party?

>>16907282
yes

>>16907450
Well, big F for its author.

>>16905685
Dialogue. If you characters talk like robots or teenage girls then it's impossible to get invested into a book. Bad dialogue is also a Canary for a bad writer in general.

>>16904392
Characters have sex, but it isn't described in detail to the reader if that's what mean. No lurid descriptions of genitals from Jordon. He's not coy about it either though, he makes it unambiguously clear when sex happened or is happening. The only time he gets really vague is regarding fetish stuff, particularly Graendal's depravities, which he never gives any details about but apparently involves lots of nude men and women "performing" in front of guests.

So not exactly for kids, but suitable enough for teens.

>>16905685
A good setting is like the lure on a fishing line. It gets my attention, makes me come in for a bite. The characters are the barbed hook that keep me on the line. What you should take away from this metaphor is that your setting should be interesting at a distance and your characters should be interesting in detail. This is because a story is principally about the characters and the setting is mostly backdrop. A fully realized setting is always a plus, and I will in fact read your appendices, however many you include, with great relish, but you should never, ever devote more energy to your setting than your characters.

Both these elements are important, you absolutely should care about both, but keep your priorities straight.

>>16908239
What if the setting is treated as a character? Huh? Huh???

>>16908244
Then I probably won't read it, sorry.

>>16908239
Basically this, which is why prefer soft worldbuilding. Don't get me wrong, hard-ass worldbuilding can be fun too, but most writers either can't or won't put in the time to craft massive interconnected worlds.
As I like to put it: The world is the bones of a story: it keeps it all together, but its flaws aren't visible unless you're really looking for them.
The plot is the muscles: It moves the body, stopping it from being just a static showcase of people and setting, and can be thrilling to follow.
The characters are the skin and features: At the forefront of everything, they're often the first thing you will experience and it's hard to get invested in something if they fail to call your attention.
While a book can be worth a read for either of these main 3 features, if you're to follow a book lacking in one or two of these areas, it's more often than not the characters that is the one handled well enough.

>>16903042
What do you rate a 5?

I wish it was easier to create relatable drama in a fantasy universe. I'm trying to write a story, and it's so hard to describe heartbreak and loss without appealing to tropes.

>>16908397
Tropes aren't necessarily bad, so long as they're true to the character. You have to set things up properly, so it plays out in a way that makes sense. What's bad, is when a trope comes out of nowhere.

>story set on a planet other than earth
>exact same day night cycle

>>16906494
It's cocacid

>>16908720
How do spacefaring civilizations measure time anyway?

>>16908885
very carefully

>>16908897
>set up standard hours based off of the original homeworld
>travel someplace else
>LOL TIME DILATION :D:D:D
This is terrible!

>>16908942
>time dilation
I hate this fucking meme

>>16908942
>>16908885
>>16908897
Why is it that Sci-fi series always completely forget the concept of time zones?

>>16908885
computers?

Is the entire story of Lyonesse about a woman? I like Jack Vance a lot so I want to read Lyonesse since when I started it the writing and storytelling was great, but I can't get interested in a story which seems to be about, for all intents and purposes, a girl going through puberty.

>>16908956
>Why is it that Sci-fi series always completely forget the concept of time zones?
Probably because we can't even do timezones correctly on earth and frankly we would all be better off if everyone collectively forgot they existed.

>>16909228
Only the first half of Suldrun's Garden focuses on Suldrun.

Which is a damn shame

>>16908947
>not knowing the difference between memes and real-world phenomena

>>16909615
>thinking time dilation israel

>>16909615
Time dilating won't make you a real girl

>>16908285
For a full overview, you'd have to look at my GR account.
If you want to see the reviews I've posted here since using that tripcode, you can look here:
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=!SFFG.n1h7M

Last day of November. What GRI APPROVED books you read so far for the year?

>>16909925
I've read like 13, mostly the G.

>>16896359
The Belgariad for more comfy
Malazan for scale
2nd apocalypse for edge
>>16896727
>Nynaeve
Based. she only gets better
>Egwene is so fucking useless
Double Based. Egwene a shit, fuck her. worse than the forsaken.

>>16896629
The Culture series, 10 books

>>16896359
Dresden Files. I love it in ways I don't love series that I recognize as being better.

>>16897644
i for one enjoy the newer black company covers. over the top 40k metal fantasy is a nice alternative to the comfy old school almost cartoonist covers

>>16904392
>There is sex in these books?
only a few scenes but there's a ton of between the lines fetish stuff, blink and most will probably pass over your head

>>16894907
I agree that making Conphas a woman would've been really dumb.

>>16905670
wait till you read god emperor

Do you read series in their entirety?
Or do you throw in other reads between books?

>>16910356
agreed -- also the last book ended so well, I can't think of a more appropriate way to conclude that. One of my favorite series' by far.

>>16910421
With longer series I tend to get tired and take breaks. Only series I couldn't put down for that was Malazan, so I read the Erikson books and the Esslemont books all in a row.

>>16910450
you mean port of shadows? theres 2 more coming

>dark fantasy novel
>female party member gets raped
>doesn't destroy her mentally and make her an active detriment to the group's function

first cover is obviously the best, right?

>>16911040
1>2>4>3
i personally like this as the cover for GotM, even if it is for the complete series

>>16910861
Name an example?

>>16911109
Berserk, but the opposite

>>16911040
I disagree. 2 > 1 > 4 > 3

>>16911168
Kresreb?

What does /lit/ think of the Southern reach trilogy?

>>16894581
99 percent of these assholes are hipsters who will go on and on on and samefag every general about how shit Sanderson is while they're buying his next novel on release date.

>>16911442
Honestly I'll take the bitter hipsters over the jealous failed writers they have on reddit.

>>16910450
Why do you keep repeating this? It only ended properly for Croaker and it will probably enable Cook's hackery to employ him as a narrator (similar to that astral projection bullshit which marked the end of the good Black Company). For the rest, it's the starting point for as many sequels as he wants.

>its a shallan chapter
>its a Kaladin flashback chapter
Dalinar is hard carrying this book

>>16912075
>it's a Venli chapter
>it's actually an Eshonai flashback
I couldn't find these Radiants as they inflict sleep onset upon me :(

>>16912093
>spoiler
Eshonai > Venli.
Venli's flashbacks are played so straight that they're completely uninteresting: They're EXACTLY what every single one of us expected and as such only the first one and maybe the one where they discover new forms are needed, every other one is redundant.
Instead, Eshonai's are far more interesting because we actually see her slowly grow into the military leader, and desu, her final sequence made me emotional.
Eshonai is just a far better character and Brandon should've left Venli fucking die.

give me a sandshit scifi book that isn't related to Dune

>>16912329
I really don't give a shit for either. I'd probably have liked a Rlain flashback more.

>>16910861
What gets me is when people treat rape worse than death, worse than theft. You're still alive, someone took the cakes by force, so what? You feel cheated because you didn't get to sell them off to the highest bidder?

>>16912702
It's a classic romance thing. A woman's virginity is a sacred gem or something, the symbol of her innocence and virtue and it's one of the few things in life which, once taken, cannot be recovered.
In death, the victim avenges herself of having been wronged. The notion here is that she would take her own life --not exactly Christian-- or get killed while trying murder her tormentor in order to restore her good honor.
>You feel cheated because you didn't get to sell them off to the highest bidder?
Fuck off with your incel shit.

>>16912075
Dalinar has carried the entire series so far.

>>16912750
>>16912702
pretty sure the majority of rape victims that have a negative attitude about it talk about it fucking up their psyche with anxiety and paranoia, not to even mention the physical brutality of being overpowered and forced into.
#MeToo presumably doesn't exist in dark fantasy

Excuse me /sffg/ but why is /tg/ having a much thorough discussion on Bakker than this general?

>>16912702
>haha rape isn't so bad
>>>/pol/

>>16911386
I found them compelling enough to read all 3, but I honestly didn't like them very much. They weren't bad necessarily just kind of meandering. I don't enjoy mystery simply for the sake of mystery either.

>>16912834
I told you faggots for years that Chris Wooding is a shit author.

>>16912835
Because /sffg/ is insufferable

>>16912835
because /sffg/ would be more accurately titled /ssg/ (sandershit general)

>>16913318
rent free

>>16899029
The fucking American covers of Discworld books are an affront to god himself

>>16902336
Dislike turns to hatred when you're forced to be reminded of it constantly

See:
>>16913318

>>16913435
>you're forced to be reminded of it constantly
>links to a DAY OLD post
Bawwwwww widdo newfag babby

Literally half or more of the posts in /ssg/ have been sandershits for the last several weeks. I just skip and hide them all, but it's fucking tedious. I said it before and I'll say it again, make your own general, you halfwit creeps. Go fap to Rysn and Dalinar in your own containment zone.

>>16913459
He does this literally every thread its literally the same anon samefagging his unresolved lust for Sanderson. I don't even know how he finds the time.

>>16912702
>>16912849
If rape is worse than death, why didn't they kill themselves to prevent it? You can bleed out by biting your tongue off.

>>16913478
>one post per thread (every 2-4 days)
Bawwwwww widdo newfag babby

>>16913459
Wasn't even me, I'm just explaining why

I liked Rhythm of War a lot

Here, faggots, I made you a brand new shiny containment thread for your sandershittery.
>>16913548
>>16913548
>>16913548
>>16913548
Leave /sffg/ in peace, I beg of you.

>>16913557
Yes, I can't wait to be reminded of how that other normalfag has a hardon for GRRM, only to be met with such elegant arguments and rebuttals such as "btfo" and "autism"!
Or the diamond dozen samefags who eternally discuss the same ~20 authors
An hero, faggotron. Lead by example.

>>16906685
>That's why I don't care much for action sequences. Because it's just like "they did this attack, then that attack, then dodged..." I'm sorry, but the plot is halted just so characters can run around looking cool doing actiony stuff?
This is exactly why I couldn't finish Mistborn.

>>16913586
>diamond dozen

>>16909690
You take that back! Baka planet-louse!

>>16913533
>You can bleed out by biting your tongue off.
stop watching anime, faggot

>>16913597
holy kek

>>16913535
>>16913459
Why do you have so many photos of inanimate objects making faces?

>>16913601
Why is earth surrounded by so many black holes...

>>16913604
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/mugger-kills-himself-avoid-jail-17349412

>>16913557
Can someone make a proper sffg thread?

>>16913690
Yes, you can!

>>16913680
Daily Star is anime

>>16913597
Stop being new

>>16913626
>so many
>two

>>16913626

>>16913731
>Daily Star is anime
is it a spinoff of Outlaw Star or Lucky Star?

>>16911197
I agree, 2 looks great.

>>16913626

You can (not) make a new thread.