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Was Lenin a philosopher king?

>> No.16877867

>>16877853
The pseud prince.

>> No.16877876

>>16877853
The hegelian hetman.

>> No.16877905

the pic is pretty badass

>> No.16877911

>>16877853
No

>> No.16877981

>>16877905
Of course it is. Welcome to propaganda world.

>> No.16877996

>>16877867
kek

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>>16877867
>>16877876

>> No.16878384

>>16877853
He wasn't a king, but he is one of the greatest people ever

>> No.16878404

>>16877905
idk he's just standing there

>> No.16878407

>>16878404
Anon, he could be floating. You don't know.

>> No.16878415
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>>16877853
Stalin was closer to being a philosopher king than Lenin.

>> No.16878459

>>16877853
Yes.

>> No.16878467

>>16878415
>Stalin was closer to being a philosopher king than Lenin.
no no no no no no no no

>> No.16878540

>>16877853
The empiricist emperor

>> No.16878557

>>16877853
Yes, although a defective one.

>> No.16878648

>>16877853
The duke of dicks.

>> No.16878701

>>16877853
No, but he was probably the greatest expert in radical politics to ever live.

>> No.16879186

>>16877853
he was a pseud

>> No.16879367

>>16878404
Says you. Lenin was onserved to have the mystic blood of Grigori Rasputin flowing through him, perhaps he wasn't standing only, but projecting a monument of his spirit-body large over the Russian capital.

>> No.16879406

>>16877853
The marxist maharaja.

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16879872

>>16878415
Based

>> No.16879966

it was all a LARP

>> No.16879974

>>16877853
>calls everyone he doesnt like a parasite
>never worked himself
hypocrite, at best

>> No.16881286

>>16879974
>being the greatest applied Marxist and statesman is not work

>> No.16881295

>>16881286
No, it isn't.

>> No.16881321

>>16881286
If we're going by that route, being a CEO is work as well, but Lenin didnt think so.

>> No.16881326

>>16881295
You're not fooling anyone porky
>>16881321
It is work, but it is exploitative. Now I know you haven't read Lenin or Marx

>> No.16881352

Although I strongly dislike Lenin, I respect him for being both a writer/political theorist and a revolutionary and later statesmen. Most influential statesmen were never real writers and vice versa

>> No.16881361

>>16877853
Philosopher chairman

>> No.16881393

>>16881326
Lenin was full of shit where he would simply do everything the capitalists did, but he'd name it something else to pretend that he wasnt doing it.
Invading a country is only imperialism when a capitalist country does it for some reason, a party apparatchik isnt exploiting workers for some reason but a CEO is, the police are all oppressive pigs unless it's the chekists, etc.

>> No.16881395

>>16881352

What makes you dislike him -- just political stuff or? bc he seems super driven and personable to me, communism aside

>> No.16881400

>>16877853
Lenin is antinomic to Marx.

>> No.16881406

>>16881321
CEOs are workers. socialists criticize capitalists, which would be the shareowners in modern corporations. Sometimes CEOs are owners we well, but the terms aren't synonymous

>> No.16881420

>>16881393
Of course he knew that, capitalism is a necessary step to Socialism, that's why he introduced the NEP
next, he was liberating Ukrainian and belorussian lands from the polish yoke
there was exploitation, but from the state and the state funded projects for the people, unlike in capitalism
and secret police were needed to safeguard the Revolution--don't pretend that's somehow wrong
besides only capitalists got killed

>> No.16881424

>>16881326
>Now I know you haven't read Lenin or Marx
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, if you have read both you clearly are too low IQ or domesticated to grasp the radicality of early marx. as if Lenin was anything other than a state capitalist. I'm glad offshoot "marxists" have all passed here in my country, so we don't hear them praising stalin and mao while preaching for revolt.

>> No.16881436

>>16881420
>capitalism is a necessary step to Socialism
No it's not and it's where Marx contradicts himself. Read Debord you turbo faggot.

>revolution!!! reform is false consciousness!!!
>wait no we need social reform guys

>> No.16881448

>>16881361
Cultivated Chairman
Dictionary Dictator
Autodidact Autocrat
Educated Emperor
Knowledgeable Kaiser
Savvy Sovereign
Cultured Caesar
Prepared Potentate
Skillful Sultan

>> No.16881451

>>16881424
Lenin lead the only successful socialist Revolution, I don't see any radical Marxist States around or anytime in history

>> No.16881456

>>16881395
Yeah I dislike him on a political/ethical basis. I don't know much about his character to a personal judgement

>> No.16881469

>>16881456

Fair, he is obviously very extreme.

>> No.16881488

>>16881451
How is it successful? Did the Lenin abolish the state and money? Is russia on its way to abolish the state and money?

>> No.16881489

>>16881448
>Cultured Caesar
Should have gone with Seasoned Caesar, but I wanted the first letters of each word to be the same.

>> No.16881501

>>16881488
>yeah bro just abolish the state bro
not even m&e advocated for this
state and Revolution, now

>> No.16881520

>>16881501
lol

>> No.16881586

>>16881420
>next, he was liberating Ukrainian and belorussian lands from the polish yoke
Why did he attack Mankho and the anarchists, was he trying to liberate the ukranian people from themselves?

>Of course he knew that, capitalism is a necessary step to Socialism, that's why he introduced the NEP
It looks like the anarchists in Ukraine were doing fine without a capitalist transitional period

>there was exploitation, but from the state and the state funded projects for the people, unlike in capitalism
So when capital is concentrated in the hands of a few small corporations with everyone wage slaving for them, it's bad. But when capital is concentrated in the hands of the state with everyone wage slaving for the bureaucrats and upper party members, it's fine? State Capitalism is just normal capitalism on steroids.

>secret police were needed to safeguard the Revolution--don't pretend that's somehow wrong
besides only capitalists got killed
This is what ideology does to your brain. On yeah those people killed aren't real humans, they're jews, capitalists, Islamic terrorists [insert ideological enemy here]. The ends don't justify the means

>> No.16881830

>>16881586
>It looks like the anarchists in Ukraine were doing fine without a capitalist transitional period
I'm not even a rabid Lenin defender but holy fuck this is so retarded. Kill yourself, they had no conceivable way of maintaining their project without crime.

>> No.16881865

The Duke of Dialectics

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>>16877905

>> No.16881907

>>16881436
What from Debord?

>> No.16881911

>>16877853
Stalin, who was for all intents and purposes a new Tsar that restored the Russian empire, fits the role better

>> No.16882487

>>16881830
Wtf are you talking about. The anarchists were doing just fine