/lit/ - Literature

>>16870278
You're either going to die or you're giving up and coming back. Humans were never meant to survive on their own, when a hunter gatherer is exiled from his tribe the result is death.

>>16870288
this

>>16870278
And humans also didn't evolve to buy food. You must understand that I am not planning to leave society as a whole, I just want to live a life worth living, with many new experiences. The risk of that is obviously higher compared to sitting in your wagie cagie or mom's basement but I don't care. If I die after a couple of happy years i will still have had a better life.
But thank you for posting this, many larpers out there have wrong ideas about all of this. I personally have been camping occasionally my entire life and I know how it is to live outside and alone. It is obviously different when you are permanently living that way but I think I am prepared enough.

>>16870278
I want to move away from society too, but I want to keep my books and my musical instruments. I will just save money until I can buy some land and move to the countryside.

>>16870288
>>16870303
I mean that guy managed to do it. Although from what i understand he still goes into town sometimes to buy food/does odd jobs for money occasionally.

>>16870363
He didn't buy the land and has books in his cabin, obviously still uses a phone to post videos/post here, he just uses crank chargers.

>>16870278
A Foragers Harvest by Samuell Thayer.

If not for my wife and kids I'd be living the innawoods hobo life myself Anon. Read My Side of the Mountain as a kid amd it got me into bushcraft and mountaineering stuff.

Maybe look into the Appalachian Trail friend.
65 year old Emma Gatewood set out with only a blanket and knowledge on foraging. She walked it 3 times in this manner. I'm sure with some prep you could do it to.

>>16870457
>obviously still uses a phone to post videos/post here

Wtf I thought they forbade Ted to have a computer/phone, whatever in prison?

>>16870457
>>16870278
are you planning on buming in cities still or between towns and such and not actually being separated from "society" (like Forestanon) but instead live in it as like an insular monad?
>>16870331
>If I die after a couple of happy years i will still have had a better life.
this is an important mindset. People should learn a lot on this from Ted's focus on the necessity in life to have more than just surrogate activities. It's not "Lebensmüde" or anything either as they usually want to misconstrue it as.
>>16870363
>ut I want to keep my books and my musical instruments
I think about musical instrument a lot as well when I fancy with the forest anon life.
Eventhough I haven't touched a (plastic) recorder since first year elementery school. I can convince myself that even jsut a recorder is all I really would need then.
>bought one couple months ago jsut for the purpose of perhaps one day having that as my only musical company

you should probably focus on how to actually survive first. if you're truly making it on your own with no vegetable garden or animals it's highly unlikely that you'll be truly self-sufficient. you'll end up going into town every few weeks to buy supplies. you can minimize that by learning to forage. learn what's edible and what's poisonous. chris mccandles died because he confused poisonous potatoes for food.

OP here, thanks for all the replies.
>>16870478
Thank you, I live in Europe though and don't think the foraging book will be helpful for me. The Appalachian trail is great, at least what I've heard from it but I don't want to travel to the states for it. There are of course also nice trails over here. I am still quite young and have no family, I do worry a little about my parents though. Don't want to make them worry about me when I live an unconventional lifestyle.
>>16870822
>>16870919
Actually neither of what you two thought. I would still be dependent on society for food, although I like doing foraging for fun right now, but I don't think I would be able to get enough calories in a reasonable amount of time. But I don't want to go to actual cities, just buy some stuff in the nearest village. I don't even go into cities in my current life.
>>16870363
Good plan, gardening and eventually homesteading is fun, I live on the countryside if you will although not isolated or something. I grow some veggies in my garden and had chicken a couple of years ago. But what I am looking for is freedom, the ability to just do everything spontaneously and without needing to worry about all of my belongings.

>>16870278
You might like "The Stranger in the Woods: The Extraordinary Story of the Last True Hermit" by Michael Finkel.

>>16870278
Read Kafka on the Shore. That book has bits and pieces of what you want.

>>16871066
(A preview of which can be read here - https://www.gq.com/story/the-last-true-hermit )

>>16871069
Some Kafka on the Shore excerpts:
harukimurakami.com/chapter_sample/kafka-on-the-shore-excerpt/

>>16871066
>>16871086
Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for.
>>16871069
>>16871092
Thanks, this looks interesting. I can't really tell fron the description what it is like but I added it to my reading list and think it will be a fun read

>>16871107
You're welcome anon. Good luck and godspeed.

>>16871107
Yeah it's about this boy who's gotta run away from this supernatural curse that makes him destined to nail his mom and kill his dad a la Oedipus Rex

>>16870278
You should consider doing seasonal work in between innawoods. Fish processing is fucking miserable but it payed for my student loans and could pay for quite a bit of food and supplies.

>>16871203
how do you get hired as a hobo?
how do you even find these seasonal jobs

>/forestanon/ is saving lives on the internet from a desert mountaintop
Bro/10, would share berries with

>>16871053
>I would still be dependent on society for food, although I like doing foraging for fun right now, but I don't think I would be able to get enough calories in a reasonable amount of time. But I don't want to go to actual cities, just buy some stuff in the nearest village. I don't even go into cities in my current life.
thats what forest anon does as well.
Sure he ate a lot of the berries and such that grew around but he has a stock of cans and bags from when he goes shopping at the nearest (gas station i believe; which would be foolish since groceries are more expensive there).
also, if you live in Europe, season work and such might actually be a real bitch since everything is so state controlled and regulated. Randomly helping out a farmer on a ranch for a few months on a few jobs is easier in america for their more regulation free ways

>>16871457
>also, if you live in Europe, season work and such might actually be a real bitch since everything is so state controlled and regulated. Randomly helping out a farmer on a ranch for a few months on a few jobs is easier in america for their more regulation free ways
Yuropoor here. Seasonal work is filled with Turks, Balkans, former Soviets, and hippies. Basically your equivalent of Mexicans. It pays well enough if you plan to live in a shit poor warzone the rest of the year.

If you're attempting to pursue a cloistered life for the sake of shirking responsibility, you're pursuing it for the wrong reasons. It will be tainted from the start, you will hate it, and things will go very wrong for you.
Please seek to better yourself first before going down this route.

>>16871366
You don't

>>16870278
good luck taking the forest anon route OP. in a comment on his 'september-november' video he says that Edward Abbey is his favorite author. he also recommended Of Herds and Hermits once in an older video. ive noticed he reads a lot of john Muir too.

>>16871512
he do

>>16870288
>Humans were never meant to survive on their own
No but in a society with unprecedented levels of material wealth it's more than possible now. Moreover, if you want to pull the "never meant to" card then many of us wouldn't exist. Antisocial autists who couldn't play along got purged too.

>>16871627
>Thanks Tom brother!! So far so good :) I've began reading Augustus by John Williams. I just finished a Hero of Our Time by Mikhail Lermontov. Prior to that I read A Miscellany which is a collection of some of John Muir's writings. The rest I've read since my return after the fire: To a God Unknown by Steinbeck, Butchers Crossing, American Gods, 2001 a Space Oddysey and 2010 Odyssey Two, John Meyers biography on Doc Holliday, Essays in Idleness, Hojoki, Deep Down Dark (great story of the chilean miners who were trapped underground), The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe, The Greatest Mountain Man Stories Ever Told, Tom Clavin's biography of Wild Bill Hickock, Becoming Nature by Tamarack Song (not impressed), The Best of Edward Abbey (Abbey is my favorite author), Finding Abbey (awful, putrid, I only recommend it for the interviews with his friends), Confessions by Saint Augustine, East of Eden by Steinbeck (amazing), The Templars by Dan Jones. And I had just finished Growth of the Soil before the fire hit.

>>16871627
>Of Herds and Hermits
I read this due to his rec. It had a few nuggets of wisdom but my God it was a rambling mess. It could have easily been 50, 100 pages shorter. The author had this masturbatory obsession with REALLY long lists (like half a page sometimes) of adjectives, names, etc.

>>16871886
What the fuck, he is a machine. Godspeed forest anon.

i started browsing /out/ a couple of days ago. i find it to be one of the best boards now and /lit/ approved

>>16872197
/out/ board has potential but most of them are insufferable. Usually when I visit there's 6 threads about about new cars, watches and tobacco pipes.

>>16872543
oh also /out/ hates hermits hobos and basically anyone who doesn't have the latest expensive camping equipment

>>16870278
Go find him and live with him. I bet he would appreciate you.

>>16872590
I would like to visit him and give him some books

>>16872588
Grandma Gatewood hates ultralight technofags. Says just get a rainfly and a blanket and go out a walkin

>>16872603
I don't think he knows how to read, seeing as he lives in a forest.

>>16872661
Found the newfag

>Thoreau’s walk in the woods did much more for his soul than for the woods themselves, and my move into the countryside has done nothing but harm the environment. I’ve gone from being a relatively parsimonious urban energy user to emitting massive amounts of carbon. While my compact urban living space could be easily warmed, it takes hundreds of gallons of fuel oil to heat my drafty home over a New England winter. My modest attempts to reduce energy use have led my mother to accuse me of trying to freeze my children. I call it building character. What with lights and air conditioning and appliances, my electricity bill has tripled. Of course, like most of nonurban America, I’ve also become dependent on the car, burning roughly a gallon of gas every time I go to a full-size grocery store. It all seems pretty absurd to someone who, city-born, didn’t learn how to drive until he was in graduate school.
>My story, like Thoreau’s, makes a fundamental point: Cities are much better for the environment than leafy living. Residing in a forest might seem to be a good way of showing one’s love of nature, but living in a concrete jungle is actually far more ecologically friendly. We humans are a destructive species, even when, like Thoreau, we’re not trying to be. We burn forests and oil and inevitably hurt the landscape that surrounds us. If you love nature, stay away from it.
Luddites BTFO

>>16872661
He probably reads more than you faggot

>>16872661
>wasnt around for comfy forest anon shelf threads
see >>16871886
brothers karamazov is his second favorite book
https://youtu.be/uSzeTa25Wwc

Also forest anons bear even reads don quixote
https://youtu.be/DZyQUEggI24

>>16870331
>I personally have been camping occasionally my entire life
>and I know how it is to live outside and alone
Man, this is delusional as hell. You won't last a month. Do you know the edible plants of your region? How to hunt and trap?

>>16872678
>mistaking countryside mansions for a little cabin with selfgrown food
Retard. Just consume less

>>16872767
Do you know how to read the thread before posting?

>>16872735
he also read jaques ellul, gogol, turgenov, tolstoy. forestanon is petty well read he has a broad range of tastes too

>>16872829
Why is Forest Anon so based?

>>16872837
in the bear video you can see goethe in the background too

>>16872885
kek I remember that. Bear bit into his Don Quixote.
>Based bear
Forest Anon if you read this please use a trip so I can give you (You)s

>>16872932
>knows all this lore but not the important fact, that he literally can't post here.
...


>also
he has read so much ebcause he doesnt get distracted by anything since he is out alone in his woods.

>>16873010
He said that he couldn't post because of the dynamic IP, right? Wouldn't a 4chan pass cure that? I though he worked this out already.

>>16873019
>this is peak /lit/
>wanting someone to read less so that they can instead engage in fruitless time wasting on 4channel and pay money for it

>>16873053
Well no, he's said that he was upset that he couldn't post. He still SCROOOOLLS here. He has plenty of time to read.

go to bed chris.

>>16873069
do you spend less time here if you are banned, yes or no?

>>16870288
There is still some guy in Argentina who's been living totally on his own for 20 or 30 plus years now

>>16873080
Yes, but marginally less.

>>16872678
What a retard my god

>>16872932
>Holds chewed copy of Boyhood and Youth
>"I'm sure John Muir wouldn't mind..."
Lmao that's the video where he escapes the fire and it's the best one imo. He mentions Book of the New Sun in that one.

>>16873087
sort of proving my point then, thanks
>marginally
also kind of sad

>>16873107
>"I'm sure John Muir wouldn't mind..."

>>16873109
to be fair I only spend an hour or two here per day, and that's just because I have nothing else to do and nowhere else to go.

>>16873053
I'm not ashamed to admit I wouldn't mind him sacrificing some reading time to post here again lol

>>16873121
>spend an hour or two here per day, because I have nothing else to do
this might seem like coming out of left field, but how about reading during that time instead?
>>16873138
(soory to soil a forestanon thread like this but:)
>t. faggot

>>16873074
he ded.

detachment has nothing to do with physical objects. it is a matter of detaching your mind from the natural need of external stimulation. this attachment is unperceivable from the inside, as we only judge our surrounding based on conscousnes and consciousness itself is the fruit of our previously-acquied habits. the thing can only fall on you and force you to explore the unknown, it can never be based on an intentional action. it will happen to all of us at some point in life anyway, but before that happens by itself, any effort towards it willonly be yet another game in quest for social recognition.

maybe you would enjoy the japanese movie dersu uzala, about an explorer that finds an old man living in harmony with nature, perfectly adaptedt it, and how the expansion of civilization makes his lifestyle impossible to continue. it is a beautiful story, based on a real tale by a russian explorer

>>16873086
I doubt that but if he does fully without benefit from others whatsoever then he can do so because his kin taught him how and his environment is abundant enough for it. It's still not a good idea because as soon as you get hurt, you're fucked. Huntergatherers even looked after their cripples a lot of the time but something as basic as getting sick or breaking a leg will kill you without a community because you need recovery time and care.

>>16870331
You need to find likeminded and skilled people, some need to be women too, otherwise you're going to be dependent on modern society and need to live near it.

>>16873357
>Huntergatherers even looked after their cripples a lot of the time

im not the guy ure answering but, after having read a few anthropology stuff about hunter gatherers, i can tell you that they dont hesitate to leave behind anyone that might endanger the survival of the group, leaving behind old people or killing undesired infants. i dont recall reading anything concretely about cripples o blessed people, but im not sure they would be too kind if that becomes a charge.

>>16873357
I believe it's the case that no matter the culture, everyone who goes solitary maintains some link to civilization in case of dire circumstances. If you break your legs you're fucked but it's hard to imagine many truly bad circumstances that you can't survive with a trip to a distant hospital.

>>16873149
I already read for 4 or 5 hours every day.

>>16871086
He was still parasitic on civilization. A true hermit would live entirely on his own.

>>16873413
sure but that's only for practical reasons, nothing edgy or forced. they're human beings and have attachments. iirc the evidence for looking after cripples is that there are skeletons with damage that happened long before their deaths, crippling damage. for infants it's a different matter and would probably be routine, as it was in civilised societies, though i imagine they'd restrict sex to control births in accord with resources because pregnancy on its own is costly and limits travel.

i'd say leaving old people is suspect given the probable importance of elders and ancestors in these societies, and that they have no knowledge but oral and an elder's experience rather than just knowledge would also be very useful. so it's not like they want to do if they need to do it.

also, we're talking about huntergatherers as if they're one people or even one type of society, they aren't. even the notion that it's a society that primarily subsists on hunting and gathering is probably wrong by a big chunk of who the label is applied to.

>>16873466
Not sure what you mean when you say "True hermit" but hardly any "true hermit" lived as a hunter gatherer. Even the earliest anchorites went town to town accepting bread and lodging from strangers.

>>16873466
I think it's arguably more based to get all of the positives from industrial society (canned/dried foods, flour, spices, medicine, durable building materials, good tools, books, clothing, etc) without actually participating within or contributing to it as much as possible. Ideally you'd have a good supply of money before becoming a "hermit". Fuck off with the masturbatory purism shit. Take advantage of what you can while you can.

Any reading you guys can recommend on hunter-gatherer/pre-civilization life? /his/ failed me when I asked

>>16873549
>hunter-gatherer/pre-civilization
>/his/ failed me
well to be fair...

>>16870278
"Life is worth living. You should wake up every morning and want to wring out every drop from it. You should wake up every morning and just want to grab life by the tits, stick your tongue down its throat and want to go another round"- Forest Anon

>>16870278
>freeing myself of almost all possessions

The word you're looking for is asceticism.

Realistically, join a monastery of the religion of your choice.

To Build a Fire by Jack London

>>16873413

Not true. Hopi Natives have a much higher rate of albino incidence even though albinism is a horrid trait for the scorching desert. This is because albinos would get special treatment, not have to hunt, and could fuck all the women they wanted to while the other men were out hunting. Tribals often do stuff that doesn't explicitly help their survival. There's no material benefit to ritual sacrifice for example.

>>16873597
Yea but it's not surprising that tribals sometimes have social practices that are counterproductive or simply not worth the time and energy.

>>16872819
So the answer is "no," then

>>16873489
>they're human beings and have attachments

yes youre not wrong in your post but you are judging those conditions through categories developed in civilized organizations that can rely on regulating values that develop AFTER a certain stability of the general basic conditions has been achieved. Before that, what determines action is only the efficacy of the social organization that guarantees survival. Values do not develop at this stage, as they would be useless or even harmful if survival conditions demand otherwise. The notion of 'humanity' is a modern fiction that never existed before. 'Humans' are only those who are part of your own group. The rest is seen as either members of other groups with whom one is to engage in relationships of alliance or conflict if possible, or if not theyre simply seen as animals like any other beast you hunt. The only attachment of a human being is to that which allows its survival, either in raw pre-social conditions or through the values that keep a bigger social organization functional.

and about old people, there is a certain level of stability that is needed for them to be important as holders of knowledge to be transmitted and all that. that happens quite soon in the development of a group, but among nomads what counts is survival. an old person in those basic conditions has nothing to offer as social organization is mostly based on practical efficacy, not needing elaborate kinship systems to organize large groups and their relationships with neighbors.

and your last phrase is totally right, the hunter gatherer tag is an academic fiction hard to generalize based on facts, as there is a vast amount of different phenomena on which that tag is randomly put.

>>16873597
well, ritual sacrifice helps maintaining social structure stable in peoples minds, which is what guarantees the practical efficacy that leads to material benefit.

>>16870288
>tfw you die without monthly visits to the hospital
why did life fuck me so hard at birth? I envy anybody who is healthy enough to try, I can only kill myself.

>>16873764
What's your condition??

>>16873774
prefer not to say

>>16873750
>well, ritual sacrifice helps maintaining social structure stable in peoples minds
i think you're ignoring that random culture can develop so long as it doesn't kill the society (and cease existing). ritual sacrifice isn't some social utility thing it a religious matter. you can't explain everything in reductionist evopsych and material practicality, because that's not how they or anyone ever thought except idk armchair racialists and darwinists or something.

fundamentally, sacrifice is an exchange, no doubt it would be mentally reassuring but that's because they believe they are exchanging lives for something, usually just good fate/luck, a power's protection or blessing (something more fundamental of their reality rather than obvious things like an item or plague).

>>16873799
It's all social utility bro, whether they knew it or not

the current "discussion" itt is pretty cringe

>>16873780
It's terminal autism, isn't it?

>>16870363

>>16873998
which one there's a few

>>16874007
Yes. I need a brain transplant every month.

>>16874040
I'm so sorry, Anon. Please stay strong.

>>16873871
like bataille said. modern people cant understand the sacrifice is sacrifice of "utility", sacrifice of "value".

>>16870278
Bretty cool. I'm kind of proud to shitpost along with such interesting and honest people.

>>16874069
But that too serves a function

This creepy nigger went innawoods to reply to 'bros' he knows nothing about while seemingly living all alone in a decrepit hut. And still being jacked into the social network conundrum.

>>16871886
>Augustus by John Williams

I've been thinking about picking this up. I guess it's next on the list.

>>16872678
You're telling me somebody not only wrote this, but people bought it? This is some straight up 3rd grader retard logic. Living in the city melts your fucking brain.

>>16870288
>>16870331
>>16870363
>>16871203
If any of you ever want to actually take your talk of offgridding, neo-tribalism and “insular monad” where you just read the Bible all day and eat out of dumpsters offline and actually do something, at least study other attempts such as the Garbage Eater cult. These people come the closest to living like Ted’s technology saboteurs.

>>16874081
which one?

>>16874083
Based. I automatically discard any personal story that is served to me through somewhat resembling an official social media channel. There are always lies behind it.

>>16874113
Social cohesion based on myth-making. Who do you sacrifice to? The gods or your ancestors, usually

>>16874083
>Seething this hard
Why does forest anon make inbreds like this cry so much.

>>16874134
the sacrifice is not to god. or better said, god is not a myth. is real. for them. is a real sacrifice, a real donation to a real part of the world. you can see social cohesion there but i think the river run deep than that.

>>16873357
>Huntergatherers even looked after their cripples a lot of the time

Actually so do wolves. Now add in the human capacity to care for more people and more illness and what do you think wolves would do, we haven't escaped nature, technological advancement is nature. Wanting to care for more human beings if possible is nature. It helps the whole pack

>>16874212
Well it's a myth to me and everyone else you esl bitch

>>16874257
>to me and everyone else
now. we have different myths now. in the future people will not understand our candid believe in science.
sacrifices was a real communication for them as now we talk about atoms.
basically societies are irrational too, not everything is a programming social utility.

>>16874287
You're a dumbass

>>16874083
Notice how he's much happier than you.

>>16874302
or maybe you dont understand shit of what im saying.

>>16874357
Right back at you, fucking mexican

>>16874381
you think religion exist as an organization of society. i understand you pretty well. its the common knowledge of today. on the contrary i think you dont know what im talking about. but ... whatever.

conversation itt is still shit.
How is this a /forestanon/ thread again?
maybe >>>/his/

>>16871886
Forestanon reads every genre imaginable

>>16870278
Come talk to general u
discord
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/5PnntDeBKQ

>>16874395
I read both of your exchanges amigo. You made a better argument, he just screeched and whined. Do you read philosophy that isnt esoteric? Would probably like Anselm or Aquinas

>>16870278

>>16872678
Jesus, what delusion. Career urbanites really are something else.

>>16875176
based and saved.

My country gets far too cold in the winter to do this sort of thing and is lacking many forested areas far from cities, however i can imagine living in the woods like him and reading all day would be quite comfy in a hotter climate. he even seems to have good taste in books

>>16875400
He's in socal iirc. It's kind of hard to live in a homemade stick hut in Canada or Norway. If you had the money you could build a more sturdy structure, though. If you're cool with no electricity or plumbing then it wouldn't be overly expensive. Maybe 5-10k plus the land.

>>16875400
>im and reading all day would be quite comfy in a hotter climate.
are you retarded? it fucking snows proper where his hut is.
watch his old videos and you will see high snow and a decent long winter.
Unless you are from northern skandinavia , Siberia you really do not have a reasonable excuse

>>16875514
Summer here on a good day is 20c, every other day it rains.
It would be nightmarish to maintain and every winter it is either freezing or just non stop rain

>>16875531
yeah you would certainly need a better domicile than him, but that is honestly it. Plus your climate should also yield so much vegitation that edible fruits should be bountiful.

>>16873871
no. that's an abstraction, not whether they know it or not that's literally not how they thought and acted. if your precious social utility requires dubious handwaving whenever it encounters something as basic as a common religious practice then it is a dogshit model that should be dropped or mixed with various others, and you are an ideologue who shouldn't be pretending he is attempting to understand something when he is actually asserting a fantasy with pleases his worldview for him to play sandbox in.

>>16870822
>Eventhough I haven't touched a (plastic) recorder since first year elementery school. I can convince myself that even jsut a recorder is all I really would need then
This. In my case, I think I'd take with me a melodica. Or even a small classic guitar like this, though I think it might get too clunky walking in the woods with something as large as this swinging all the time.

>>16870508
>Wtf I thought they forbade Ted to have a computer/phone, whatever in prison?
Does Ted really post here?

>>16876243
Yes, any questions?

>>16876313
I mean, are you really Ted Kaczynski?
The guy of the manifest?

>>16876556
>supermax lets you shitpost on 4chan
how do I get in? free food, free housing, and everything else I normally do in life

>>16876715
>how do I get in? free food, free housing, and everything else I normally do in life
Yeah, sometimes I wonder the worst part of prison is THE OTHER PEOPLE. If I could be by myself (and with some books) I figure I might be fine.

>>16872678
holy retarderoni

>>16870278
Was forest anon drinking his own pee?
I mean, buy a FILTER, my man.

>>16871053
>I am still quite young
How old are you?

>>16876916
>Was forest anon drinking his own pee?
what are you even talking about

>>16871396
He made a 15 min video just to talk an anon out of suicide. The world needs more of that kind of humanity.

>>16876556
Yes

>>16876954
He's drinking a yellow fluid in one of the videos

New video again. His spoon got stolen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55vbNMj3AY

>>16876954
>>16879409
Nah, he made cider or something like that from fruits and sugar.

>>16879409
>See yellow liquid
>"Wow must be the same stuff I store in mountain dew bottles underneath my computer desk"
That was hard cider he brewed in an older video. He brewed elderberry wine too from elderberries that grow out there

Why does he smoke? Did he ever mention that? It doesn't really suit the rest of his lifestyle and I remember when I was still a smoker I was freezing while camping, really messed with my blood flow

>>16870278
are you neutral milk hotel?

>>16879979
>He brewed elderberry wine too from elderberries that grow out there
What's the chance of getting poisoned while doing this?

>>16872645
>Grandma Gatewood hates ultralight technofags. Says just get a rainfly and a blanket and go out a walkin
I already love this lady SO MUCH.

>>16880513
>t. Laper
Post a pic of you being out faggot

>>16880459
he knows what he is doing. He has said he has read a lot on fermenting your own cider (showed his book even) and has done this before.
stupid fucking question desu.

>>16880453
The band?

>>16880525
>Post a pic of you being out faggot
I never said I was out/, that said, I admire her courage and I wonder if someday I'll have the guts to do the same.