/lit/ - Literature

>>16862675
>6
Thomas Hobbes

>>16862675
Well.. I mean, if you're intelligent you should be able to write a good book as long as you've been educated on these things from a younger age.

If you're just getting into literature, writing and reading, post-35 then you will be able make it productive work like any other, but you wont write a good book. I could be wrong, but I'm just looking at history.

>>16862675
Burroughs, Bukowski, almost Joseph Heller, Kafka didn't publish any novels during his lifetime, he published some short stories in his 30s.

Henri-Pierre Roché

>>16862708
Misread, I thought you said 40 for some reason, so all of the authors I mentioned fit your criteria.

average publication age used to be 48, can't have changed much

>>16862708
Kafka wrote Amerika at about 29, and The Trial I think around 31-35? He also published a book of short stories at around 28/29 which is the reason that one girl got in touch with him.

>>16862720
Source?

>>16862675
Penelope Fitzgerald @ 58
She's good, too
>nescit vox missa reverti
In a way not so bad an idea, for the simple reason/observation that earlier writings tend to limit what later writings can 'say'

>>16862739
Yes, I was wrong regarding the short stories. He may have written novels but none of them were published until after he died. OP asks for books published after 35.

>>16862675
Don DeLillo's first novel was published when he was 35.

>Reflecting in 1993 on his relatively late start in writing fiction, DeLillo said, "I wish I had started earlier, but evidently I wasn’t ready. First, I lacked ambition. I may have had novels in my head but very little on paper and no personal goals, no burning desire to achieve some end. Second, I didn’t have a sense of what it takes to be a serious writer. It took me a long time to develop this."

>>16862771
Thank you. I guess I was just a little jealous of the fact that Kafka even wrote those novels at such a young age, even without publication.

didnt Mishima start pooblishing in his twenties?

>>16862840
Yes, 24.

HP Lovecraft didn't start writing until his late 20s and didn't start putting out anything good until his 30s

>>16862675
>>16862772
>tfw have more potential than DeLillo and at a younger age

>>16862675
Houellebecq was first published in his late thirties, I think.

>>16862947
First poems published in his late 20s, then "first novel" (H.P. Lovecraft book, which he said was his first novel) at around 35.

>>16862695
You're saying that getting published is a weird bar to meet at a specific age, so long as you're spending your youth actively reading and writing?

An obvious example is Proust, who published Swann's way in his 40s. Michel Tournier also wrote his first book in his 40s. Houellebecq has also been mentioned. Maybe the French start later? Or I just read too much French lit...

Feel like most writers that I like publish their best work later in life. It's a generalization, but I'd say novelists are the opposite of (pop) musicians. Melville, Henry James, Sebald, Mishima etc. all got better with age.

>>16862675
yes

Juan Rulfo, of course.

>>16863027
I didn't mean it so particular, history depends on ones own decisions.

Writing isn't a young man's game the way music is. Sure you have some writers bursting on the scene in their 20s but it's not common, and their best work will often come later in life after more experience and refining their craft.

>>16863027
I think he means that someone who is in their mid-30s who started heavily reading and writing in their early 20s will fare better than someone who is just setting out to educate themselves on literature while also hoping to write successfully in their 30s.

You can learn the mechanics of writing at a young age, but most people probably don't develop a good sense of style until much later—style being much more complex than technical writing mechanics.

>>16863165
Yes, very much this. I didn't realise my post was difficult to understand in those regards that you explained.

>>16862695
Retard

THE OPTIMAL AGERANGE FOR INTELLECTUAL, AND FOR POETICAL —ID EST: ÆSTHETICAL, ARTISTICAL, CREATIVE— WORK COMPRISES FROM AGE THIRTYFIVE TO AGE FORTYFIVE.

>>16862675
Didn't gaddis published the recognitions at 35

>>16862675
Quite a few. A personal favorite is W.G. Sebald, didn't publish his first novel until the age of 46, but he did occasionally write and publish some poetry, and since he was an academic, he did also publish articles. Besides that, some that come to mind include Bernard Malamud, Muriel Spark, Toni Morrison, Raymond Chandler, Henry Miller (I think), among others that I can't recall.

>>16862675
Elmore Leonard didn't get popular until he was in his 50s

>>16862675
Pierre Klossowski

>>16862675
Wittgenstein published one book in his lifetime: The 75 pages long Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. But unfortunately he was only 32.

>>16862675
Why is she so beautiful ?

Wallace Stevens was 44 when he published his first book of poetry and he's the greatest male American poet

>>16862675
You can't write anything of note before the age of 35.

Muhammad

>>16863547
I thought he couldn't write so made others to write down what he spoke

>>16862748
Weird too, because the first few books aren't nearly as fucking amazing as what you posted

>>16862675
Gene Wolfe published his first novel when he was 39.

>tfw no aya/steppe gf

>>16863463
>specifying male
Based. We all know whom is the greatest. Also, Harmonium is a masterpiece.

Edith Wharton.

>>16862675
Tolkien

Baudrillard published his first work at 39

>>16865357
it's not that hard if you are a western man, just go to any central asian country and advertise yourself

>>16863219
Why so mean? Please explain why you think I'm retarded while I sip my coffee.