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who thinks this?

>>16851444
Cringe
>>16850867
Critical theory, from postmodernism.

>where
((()))

>>16851451
It's not an academic consensus, OP is full of shit and likely also a postmodernist. It's just like how zionists are essentially a jew flavor of nazis or nazis are an aryan flavor of zionist.

>>16851453
Why am I cringe?

>>16850867
The reason academics assault concepts like gender is because they are part of the optimisation process for capital. If gender is socially constructed, as is suggested, then deconstructing it is a method to remove social influence from gendered beings and substitute the social with the economic. By reducing gender to an individual preference, it becomes a dimension through which to understand your innermost desires and manipulate you through bids for your money and your political support through advertising. By creating a division within larger collective identities such as male/female, it also enables more fine grained control of society by creating conflict and distinction where none previously existed, and by breaking down conventional roles that served to provide social and psychological stability for individuals to feel wanted and included in their community. The personal insecurity that results makes people easier to sell things to.

>>16850867
Is "social construct" just a rhetorical redefinition of evolutionary social organization? Is an ant colony a soci construct?

>>16851516
This, but unironically

>>16851516
Sounds gay

>>16851516
This is insane schizobabbel.

>>16850867
I doubt anyone calls the gender binary colonialist except in contexts where the native populations had carved out social rules for third et al. genders. In these cases, it's more of a statement of fact regarding the collision of two ways of viewing the world. If you're asking where the gender binary is first described in terms of social construction and control, you're likely looking for Judith Butler (there may be earlier attempts, but she's the most cited example). If you're looking for a more general discussion of sex and social construction and control, Foucault's History of Sexuality is your best bet.

And if you're just looking for why we use plural pronouns for singular subjects these days, that's a myth. They/their/them are present as singular pronouns in the Early Modern English corpus.

>>16850867
Take it to the sociology board >>>/soc/

>>16851649

>>16851583
Not the same anon, but you must be retarded or ESL. Its not a difficult post to understand.

>>16851583
It makes perfect sense. I won't say it's true but it's a valid angle.

>>16850867
It isn't a very good book, but Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management. Despite not being a good book, it taught generations about male/female spheres being binary from a largely plagiarized colonialist perspective.

>>16851516
>becomes a dimension through which to understand your innermost desires and manipulate you through bids for your money and your political support through advertising
it's as if the same mechanics of individuals "self- discovery" were made into a device and applied to smaller political projects than assimilation, in this case more compliant to low cost marketing styles

>>16851516

Except that the universal and uncontested best method of maintaing control is to keep a placid, happy populace. The whole point of Marxism, postmodernism, and other anti-hierarchical value systems is to degrade and abase society to swap in a new power using popular support. Why starve for Stalin? Because he's usurping the capital diktats of the USA. Why encourage nigger riots in their own neighborhoods, making them cut themselves bleed for BLM? To show that material comforts are (allegedly) being used to placate the masses. It's very easy for retards to boil everything down to some delusional binary about capitalist communist banker kikes controlling the money supply and undermining the legitimacy of their central banks because there is no logic to it. What all growth-focussed, capitalist economists and state actors want is a content nuclear family who will repeatedly vote for the status quo. The epitome of this is the US, where things are so goos for most people that almost half of the adult population barely counts as political (rightly or wrongly), and politicians have basically had a carousel of four or five talking points cycling round for seventy years, always resulting in no change because niggers can't vote in their interests and white people have no reason to care about their justified structural power. The only changes we see in social attitudes come from society. It's hilariously ironic that pseuds like you will simultaneously critique postmodernism while all your arguments about the Foucauldian conduct of conduct and pervasive cultural infiltration of power are literally the cornerstone of the entire postmodern thought process.

Happy families make happy, effective consumers, and there is no reason why people cannot be both generously materially fulfilled and also find meaning from spirituality or life's journey under capitalism. Learn some nuance and stop schizposting.

judith butler bears most of the blame for the the present fad

>>16851583
nothing insane about it, that's what neoliberalism wants. it wants perfect atomized units divided into individual consumers. that's what the entire purpose of progressivism is and why gender is declining. deconstruct all these perceived oppressions and restrictive norms so people can be as individualistic as possible in their morality, thus making it easier for capital to homogenize them into servants for amazon, woke politics, netflix, childless and debt crippled livelihoods, social media performativity, etc.

>>16850867
I just realized that tranny and nigger condense into trigger

>>16851467
It is academic consensus, if you argue against this you're not longer in academia. This is a cathedral position. Science need not apply.

>>16850867

>no he/her or she/him

still too binary it seems we can go farther, no we have to go farther...

>>16853147
>it seems we can go farther, no we have to go farther...
It's funny because you can hear shit like this being said as far back as the 1930s maybe even the french revolution

>>16851516
correct to the last word

>>16851750
Wrong, you cannot even differenshiate between Marxism-Leninism and further abrevations and Social Democracy and trotskyism which is anti state, anti identity, anti sovereginity concept that is compromisation of all ideals and conceptualisation of Frankfurt School

>>16850867
Who cares. Rather than attempting to stuff the cat back into the bag, just reflect on how you can deal woth it in your life. Imagine some possible way to address what you think are it's shortcomings.

>>16851455
This.

>>16851750
Fuck off capital-shilling tranny. We're on to you.

>>16853275
You will never be a woman

>>16853334
Nor would I care to. It just seems pointless to me to obsess over a phenomenon that jas nothing to do with me. It's completely pit pf my control, and after some thought, I don't see it as profoundly harmful to peaceful society. Pronouns and the preferred identity of another seems fairly innocuous to me. If it begins to lead to something that threatens me or my family then at that point maybe I'll join the chorus of idiots in singing about the evil of what should be the personal matter of a stranger.

>>16853356
>to obsess over a phenomenon that jas nothing to do with me
aha so you are inhuman

so whats your opinion worth on human essence?

there is nothing you can say because you have dehumanized yourself

>>16853363
Lmao. Human essence is an extremely complex and spontaneous subject. Which is probably why we have schools of thought related to identity. Maybe if Im bored one day I'll engage more critically with the work that's been so very demonized. Then I'll see the great evil it wishes to impose on all of us. Though, more than likely, I'll view it as a harmless school of thought, and since I believe thought should remain free and honest, I probably still won't care.

>>16851453
Answer me >>16851479, why am I cringe?

>>16853384
You weren't actually, but now you are.

>>16851516
This is right but I think it's the other way around. The economization of the individual came first, and gender already 'objectively' became a mere individual preference before anyone bothered to legitimize it with a bunch of quasi-religious nonsense.

Leftism is a plague.

>>16851455
the j*ws need infighting between people because it justifies mob mentality. them being a crafty mob.

>>16851583
(((this is insane schizobabbel)))

>>16850867
>Are there any good books that show this?
Of course not, as it's made up.

>>16853384
I love eloquent freak show of nitwits. Dance worm dance!

>All these people who think the game is MORE division
L M A O
The goal of the capitalist Machine God is the creation of the universal market. They don't want 1000 genders, they want one. They don't want 100 new races with more tribal infighting, they want one. There will be no more products that men won't touch, or that women won't touch. No more black stuff, or asian stuff or white stuff. Everyone will buy everything.
It's all about maximizing productivity and efficiency. A divided labor force is an inefficient labour force. If man is divided along thousands of immutable tribal allegiances, then they cannot be effectively harnessed as a group. You may think that the tribes in the west are being angled against each other, I say it's all a ploy to push us to another boiling point. The EU and the concept of a united European Identity never arises without WW2.

Capital only wants one thing; its continued survival. It is an intelligence in its most crude form. When we mechanized the institutions of Capital we signed our own death warrant.

>>16854087
Once again, I probably still won't care.

>>16854103
Capitalism is not about workforce anymore, it's about consumption. 1000 genders is effectively the same as 1 gender, but it give people an identity, it creates a new illusion in our disillusioned word. As Pascal put it "All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone", with disillusionment achieved through the growth of reason man is more and more alone in his quiet room. The answer is noise. Noise everywhere. Simulation of noise. Noise of noise. Noisy noise of noisy noise. Don't look, you can't, there is nothing to see. Only glass, steel, concrete and ultimately yourself. Who are you? You are the echo chamber of noise, the empty shell captures the sound of the ocean, it never leaves it and if someone want to listen it will echo that noise "How are you today?". Bow to the image. There is no symbol anymore, or there are only symbols, who knows? Symbols of nothing that symbolise themselves. Modernity is an incomprehensible tautology. When I was younger I thought I would become a big banker to unplug the machine, to blow it all away. But there are no heroes anymore because there is no act, no reality. Mankind doesn't need a saviour, it need itself.

>>16854170
Good and you should not, because you are incapable of conceiving the subject. I am glad you know your place worm.

>>16854186
I've read and comprehended far more complex philosophies than whatever /pol/ tier psyop you're on about. If I'm a worm, and you're beneath even that, what does that make you. I have a suggestion, you are simply not.

>>16851750
>hat all growth-focussed, capitalist economists and state actors want is a content nuclear family who will repeatedly vote for the status quo.
except anon above wrote
> they are part of the optimisation process for capital
which is crucial. You can be a nigger and still pretend capital is nothing but the monetary gain made out of labor for the bourgeois, but then of course you will not understand how trannies became co-opted by all big corporations and establishment.

There should be no denying that gendre deconstructionist hat genuine beginnings sort of like female empowerment for rights and independance or an individual's search for true identity had genuine even righteous roots.
But as soon as technological society gets a hold of it, since its populance become entangled in this (still) genuine idea, it absorbs it and then to make it congurent with itself changes the goals and motivs of the people who believe it to fit technological society, which is always only in connection with producing capital.
The tele of the people (since they are necessarily under the boot of technological society, even in their attempt to break out of it) have their enterprise changed and moulded to fit the means of technological society. What started as genuine at this point has completely changed its face and its original goals have become obfuscated and changed into whatever fits best to produce capital.

Anything technological society gets a hold on inherently gets corrupted to its end if even the image it continues to promulgate is somehow "usurping the status quo" (which it never cares about if the status quo actually starts to threaten capital; which means the usurping idea never actual threatened the actual status quo, but jsut another liminal phase); for example: Tranny and nigger lives being supported and espoused by ALL major corporations and worst of all the state itself.

what >>16851516 anon said is absolutely correct. and if you somehow believe
> academics are part of the optimisation process for capital.
not to be true you are helplessly delusional in academias actual and only influence.

>>16854257
For all the things I wish to care, your "opinion" is not even worth that of a fecal matter.

You have proven time and times again that eloquence and sophisticate phrasing don't change end argument in any way. So go and fool your irl retards with your mouthshiting because everyone with a bit of knowledge (not even intelligence mind you) knows it's empty air at BEST.

>>16854335
Says the "intellectual heavyweight" who in four responses has had nothing of substance to say, no rebuttal, no commentary, just pointless dundering. It leads me to assume that your very being must be as empty as your shallow commentary. At least I'm having fun though.

>>16854420
I am gonna be the better man and let you reply to this without responding goodbye :)))

>>16854304
Yeah I agree with alot of what you've written. It's also fairly clear that corporations have nothing to gain from remaining neutral. However when they fly the flag of inclusion and solidarity it may serve to bring them new customers and support. Those who oppose the movements these corporations fall in line with seem to be unable to resist the allure of their products. Of course, our society was made to be this way. We aren't living in Smith's capitalism where INFORMED consumers make RATIONAL decisions. We live in hellish ad inundated convenience capitalism where ad makers have teamed up with social psychology to make obedient consumer cattle driven by subconscious desire. If American capitalism does anythin, it does it for one simple reason and that reason is profit.

>>16851516
Where can I read more of this?

>>16851516
>>16854182
Any books about this?

>>16854182
Underrated post.

Unironically Jews
A Specific kind of Jew, but Jews nonetheless. It’s critical theory.

>>16854182
What do you mean by
>Modernity is an incomprehensible tautology
How can modernity be a tautology?

>>16850867
>masculinity only allowed for nonwhites
Got it.

>>16854896
Baader-meinhoff syndrome

>>16854913
>Baader-meinhoff syndrome
elaborate

>>16851750
Incoherent /pol/babble doesn't get you anywhere on this board, read a book

>>16854913
Gaslighting.

>>16854932
A midwit way of saying "confirmation bias"

The term is psyop against middle class dopes. The purpose is to make you distrust your own pattern recognition and give more credence to media narratives.

Most articles on the "Baader-Meinhof phenomenon", when they have a byline, are written by jews.

>>16854932
He's trained his subconscious into seeing antie nd anti-male sentiment in everything he sees.

Beats me but the only people who have a problem with it are the deranged and mentally ill. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

>>16854962
>read a book
k

>>16854015
>he doesn't know there are whole schools of left thought opposed to idpol neoliberal bullshit
Not based

>>16850867
How is having a penis or a vagina a construct? Being a boy or a girl is nothing but having what is stated in their definitions. Since that which is stated in their definitions (peni and vagini) exist, then boys and girls exist. People confuse the creation of the word for the creation of the content of the word. Nietzsche makes a similar mistake in the gay science.

>>16854990
I had some long online conversations with Carlos Latuff back in the aughts. I like the guy. He even drew a comic I suggested.

Most of his toons are painfully ham-fisted, but when he connects he knocks it out of the park.

>>16854967
It differs from confirmation bias. However, I accept your deridement of it as proof of its accuracy. Thank you.

>>16854103
Wrong. The creation of new identities is the creation of new marketing categories and thus the expansion of the market. We are all consoomers but capital obscures material relations by creating identity categories to sell product to. Big trucks for the Chuds and priuses for the libs. Black trans CEOs to obscure actual exploitation and imperialism, economic and military. We don't care when more kids get bombed in syria because the president is a black trans woman.

>>16854932
Once you accept the (fake and gay) redpill that anti-white sentiment is everywhere, its all you can see.

>>16855008
The posted comic is painfully ham-fisted.

>>16855024
>you think it's wrong therefore it's right

>>16854932
A correct critique of the faulty analysis of the symptom of the system. In a way preventing you from seeing true evil of the ideological goal of the Anglo-Zionist World Order and their hegemonic usurpations.

>>16853865
Not you that is cringe. Maybe you are, how could I know. But a bump as first post is entirely cringey and a waste of digits as well.

>>16855058
>oy vey not muh neoliberalism

>>16855058
Sure but it gets an important point across

>>16855105
>but the alternatives are WORSE!!!
>YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO GIVE CHAYNIA AND POOTLERINO A WORLD ORDER
>NO WE MUST BOMB AFGANISTAN TO PREVENR PUTIN AAAAAAAAA
>NO YOU ARE NODYING OF CORONA
>NO YOU ARE NOT GETTING GENETICALLY DILUTED AND CULTURALLY SUPPRESSED
>ITS OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY BUCKO INCEL NAZI COMMIE RAPIST PIG

>>16855076
Not really. Given your visceral and angry reaction, it means something of it must have struck a chord, which would only happen if you were aware that you're afflicted.

>>16851516
This is completely correct. Well said, anon.

>>16851676
No it doesnt. More genders are harder to control than fewer.

>>16851516
Excellent post anon, you have grasped the truth.

>>16855446
Anti-white propaganda in advertising is real and ubiquitous.
You're not putting that cat back in the bag.

>>16855704
It's never too late to escape your brainwashing anon.

I mean, I don't really care, but it does kind of hurt my feelings to see you lot so fearful and frenzied, unable to order your thoughts. Enraptured in that dark place. Godspeed anon. Someone loves you. Or at least...they used to.

>>16854756
http://www.datawranglers.com/negations/issues/96w/96w_peretti.html
Enjoy.

>>16855727
>I'll psychoanalyze and condescend, that's a good trick
The Goyim know.

>>16850867
Because sociologists were given power and people stopped listening to biologists.

>>16855831
Do you hear yourself right now? Assuming an anonymous stranger is a mysterious and powerful Jew, tryna get ya! BOO!

The thing about your image is people usually don't upload pictures calling them "white couples" but when they're interracial white does get mentioned. Once again...do you see yourself? Do you understand what you're doing to your mind?

>>16854182
Bingo, it’s all simulation and makes a person more conforming and soulless under the guise of being more unique and resistant to the system

>>16855907
Uh huh.

(((Kaufman)))

>>16856009
I discarded at "Joanne"

>>16856113
chauvinist pig

>>16856009
racist anti semite bigot

Yes.

>>16854756
Lee, Consumer Culture Reborn
Hewitt, Dilemmas of the American Self
Fred Jameson
Lash and Friedman, Modernity and Identity
Axel Honneth
Wendy Brown 1995/2008
Mike Featherstone
Douglas Kellner
Debord
Baudrillard and Zizek for meme value
Milbank, Theology and Social Theory

>>16856120
>chauvinist pig
You can't blame a pig for saving himself some time, when life is so short

>>16851516
This, every single "progressive" has been transformed into an all-dissolving, all-levelling, difference-"deconstructing" maniac, and thus a useful idiot for a system that does not give a fuck about them. They are footsoldiers of the apocalypse.

All biological, cultural, national, social, intellectual, and theological distinctiveness must be dissolved into a bubbling goo that can be shaped and reshaped at will by international investors who see governments and countries as "assets" and "resources" to be redistributed endlessly to maximize their own profits.

That is why any difference whatsoever should be protected. You don't have to understand distinctness and difference to protect it. Any hard point, anything that resists globalist goo-ification, any instinct or pre-rational commitment to something as what it is (rather than what it can be made to "become" in the hands of techno-dork faggots with Macbooks), is a potential ally against globalism. Protect and celebrate difference for difference's sake. Maximize it, cultivate it until it grows a fist big enough to grab globalism and flush it down the toilet with the rest of the turds.

Instincts are good. It's normal and good that trannies make your face scrunch up in disgust. A tranny is a weapon being turned against you by a globalist, it's a hollowed-out zombie designed to trick you into thinking breaking down biology and nature is a matter of indifference. The globalist wins when you look at a tranny, and your natural instincts to love nature and to hate freaks and mutations and degeneration are numbed and suppressed, and you shrug your shoulders and keep walking. Fuck trannies. Tell trannies what's wrong with them. Tell all the genderqueer "progressives" that men and women are different, that human beings are more than just bundles of drives and desires, that abortion is murder, that convenience is for faggots and you don't want a "rational" "scientific" Amazon computer to manage your life for you.

Do the opposite of what smarmy queer pussyboy academics tell you to do. The sickness in your stomach when you witness their smarmy mealy-mouthed effeminate attempts to manipulate people into "rationally" eating bugs and plastic juice is normal. Don't justify the sickness, cultivate it.

>>16850867
It comes from childhood bullying

>>16856009
This perfectly illustrates what I've been communicating. A rational person views this and doesn't see anti-white sentiment...because there is none. We live in a multi-racial society, it's common sense that we see multi-racial couples. Whereas, through the brainwashing of ethnocentrism a white pol indoctrinated idiot will see an anti-white message, the same way a black nationalist will view your two "examples" as anti-black sentiment.

Other races being seen isn't anti-white. Females being seen isnt anti-male.
The only way you reach that conclusion is if you've built a worldview around false pretenses and paranoid ramblings of the internets saddest loners.

>>16856268
>We live in a multi-racial society
It's time for Israel to become more multi-racial.

>>16856283
Yeah, I totally agree. They should be taking in the bulk of middle eastern refugees. The cultures are similar as are the laws and language.

>>16851583
>schizobabbel
ironically, it's a talking point of Capitalism and Schizophrenia by Deleuze and Guitars.

>>16856300
As a jew, I'd like to point out that this will never happen. At least not for quite a while.

>>16856315
>it's a talking point of Capitalism and Schizophrenia by Deleuze and Guitars
I may have to read that now.

>>16856268
>We live in a multi-racial society, it's common sense that we see multi-racial couples.
Except what is shown in advertisements or TV is nowhere near what happens in reality. None of this is trailing behind real trends. The ads with interracial couples are laughable in Europe where immigrant communities haven't integrated for shit. Tell me with a straight face that every other doctor in America is black. It's propaganda.

>>16853313

good effort

>>16855831

>>16856215
>Protect and celebrate difference for difference's sake. Maximize it, cultivate it until it grows a fist big enough to grab globalism and flush it down the toilet with the rest of the turds.
Difference is celebrated by the people you are criticizing, though

>>16856332
Found a pdf: https://libcom.org/files/Anti-Oedipus.pdf

>>16856337
You dumbass they're ads and commercials. It is indicative of reality in America. Imagine wasting your life away wondering about ehat skin colors are featured in television ads. Turn the damn box off.

>>16855831

>>16856343

>>16856359
>Schizophrenia
It's famously hard to read.
It's not so easy to find a rundown of at least some points by people who are not left, in a tiresome way, but this guy is bearable
https://youtu.be/2TE7HFBzf-w

>>16856370
>It is indicative of reality in America.
Then why do you air that shit in Europe where this reality is nonexistent? Advertising takes enormous efforts to research and represent its desired target so that the product is relatable, why would they suddenly get sloppy when advertising in Europe, showing interracial couples that don't exist? There is no integration whatsoever in Europe. The advertiser would be interested in actually representing their target consumers, unless he's actually not entirely advertising but also making propaganda.

>>16856370
Also you're not just a snide trannoid, you're also ignorant. Advertising has been used to "shape" society since forever. Pushing the product as a symbol of progressive white martyrdom if you want to advertise to the upper middle class is a given

>>16854103
Wrong. Superficial diversity, unified in the shared act of consumption, is ideal for consumer capitalism. It channels political agency into "identity"-affirming choices between superficially diverse commodities.

>>16856427
>>16856433
I follow you. This still isn't anti-white sentiment though. Maybe its pro-acceptance or inclusion or whatever. Seeing someone of another skin color shouldn't make you feel like your skin color is under attack.

>>16856357
No it isn't. They all subscribe to liberal ideology and individualist morality. They don't accept difference of opinion. They'll accept Muslims as immigrant minorities but they will never accept Islam's views on women or sexuality for instance. It's a false diversity used to homogenize people.

>>16851516
This, but just as a regular result of deterritorialization, there's no evil masterplan, academics aren't part of some conspiracy.

>>16856215
>resisting globalism
>2020

>>16850867
Empirics

>>16856907
Who says they have to be aware of it?
Most of the academics in the system now are the latest step in a distillation process. The next crop who amplify the desired ideological traits will be their successors. They don't need to understand anything. Almost none of them ever did.

Why is the IDpol thread still here?

>>16859084
says the socialist dyke

>>16859088
Socialist dyke TRIPFAG who has no personhood beyond an internet identity.

>>16859115
For you

>>16856427
>There is no integration whatsoever in Europe.
What are you talking about? At least here in Germany most immigrants are integrated to some point. There are interracial marriages, even the most successfull musicians here (obviously rappers) are from interracial couples so its not like its invisible.

>>16851674
It is understandeable, but it dresses up a relatively simple idea which seems rather stupid and unlikely when given bare.

>>16856785
That lasts as long as christian/atheist whites are still majority in their own country. They'll accept it by sheer demographic presence. Integrating separate sharia into the law system is not impossible.

>>16855727
Terrible post

>>16855086
Oh okay.

>>16851516
It reads a bit like schizoposting, isn't gender older than capitalism?
Capitalism may exploit the differences but i don't think that traditionally women are conditioned to wear dresses and skirts just to sell them women's razors for their legs while men use men's razors for their face

>>16863821
my bad, i think i got it wrong

>>16850867
In all likelihood some CIA office.
Perfect propaganda to keep the rubes distracted with more meaningless culture wars.