/lit/ - Literature

>>16842309
>Utopian Socialism
>Outside the 18th and 19th centuries
Marx debunked you please stay dead

>>16842309
Drop that shit and read Ernst Bloch instead

>>16842323
I agree in part, but there’s gotta be a better alternative

>>16842333
Thanks anon any books in particular?

>>16842336
>there’s gotta be a better alternative
well there isnt. everyone is out of ideas

>>16842346
The Principle of Hope is his magnum opus. It's three volumes. The Spirit of Utopia is good too maybe start with that first and see how his thought matures in The Principle of Hope.

Both capitalism and socialism suck ass

>>16842352
If there's no alternative why has the capitalist world so ardently suppressed attempts at alternatives? Oh yeaaah - because western capitalist governments = corporate interests

>>16842360
This, embrace the third position

>>16842376
>>16842360
fuck off fascist. communism or gtfo.

>>16842336
>>16842367
The alternative is Marxism, which blew utopianism the fuck out. Dialectical materialism is humanity's only hope.

>>16842336
see >>16842411

>>16842367
>why has the capitalist world so ardently suppressed attempts at alternatives?
you're free to try. nothing will work. It'll absorb you and metabolize you as a new product to be marketed to the alienated and miserable like hammer and sickle T shirts and hollywood movies about Baader Meinhof

>>16842360
>>16842360
How can we transcend these flawed ideologies? I just wanna be comfortable and not spend so much time worrying about work and “professional development”

>>16842309
When I realized how much money I need to order panda express every day

>>16842411
>Dialectical materialism is humanity's only hope.
and the deleuzeian concept of deterritorialization in capitalism has destroyed dialectical materialism.

>>16842440
dont order panda express then

>>16842463
But I like it

>>16842411
>The alternative is Marxism

Good luck with that

>>16842470
BOOBAS

>>16842484
Heh thought someone might’ve caught that, I’ll try to keep it PG-13

>>16842309
Never failed, was just subverted

>>16842411
>equating communism with Marxism
Marxist really are the scourge of the earth along with capitalists and the French

>>16842376
>Both Capitalism and Socialism suck. Truuu. Lets combine them and make it racist.

Brainlet take.

>>16842428
thats the question that philosophy is posed with today and has no definitive answers for. The Accelerationists propose that the liberal aspect of liberal capitalism is the weight holding back the process of developing new resource distribution systems and that something like how China or Singapore structure their government and economy is a meaningful path forward but then you have to reconcile with living under some kind of chinese authoritarian state.

We are complicit in our own cancelling of the future and eventually this inability to react of crisis will either kill us or force us to change something but whatever it changes into likely wont be pleasant either. Aside from this we are completely out of ideas of what to do. We are merely holding the trench waiting for tomorrow.

>>16842471
>>16842440
Lyotard mentions that people subconsciously are complicit and fond of their own exploitation and suffering caused by capitalism. maybe hes one to something

Wealth inequality is the biggest issue from capitalism right? How do we even begin to break the cycle when the world is so reliant on these enormous organisations and their widespread, affordable products?

>>16842513
>Lyo
>tard

>>16842524
>Wealth inequality is the biggest issue from capitalism right?
No
Reminder if your critique of capitalism is grounded in instability, unfair rent distribution, or struggles between sociological classes, you're to marx essentially utopian & advocating for the sort of socialism the schumpeters of the world found reconcilable with capitalism. if you think the real meat of the problem is simply that surplus value extraction is unfair you'd be much better adjusted being a georgist or roemerian coupon socialist type, a lot less to figure out.
a proper critique of capitalism is properly grounded in all human life becoming through its embedding in commodity relations merely an appendage of unthinking capital sitting over us and brooking no escape.

>>16842524
>How do we even begin to break the cycle when the world is so reliant on these enormous organisations and their widespread, affordable products?
we dont know. the marxists failed long ago and we've only just completed mapping out the shrapnel. Capitalism is more than just inequality, its a death machine that consumes everything past, present, future, real, and imaginary to perpetuate itself. We have no fucking idea what to do about this anymore.

>>16842411
Dialectical materialism has been BTFOd over and over

>>16842539
>all human life becoming through its embedding in commodity relations merely an appendage of unthinking capital sitting over us and brooking no escape
Can't this critique co-exist with a critique of class? Because, that fate will only exist for the 99% whilst the 1% live a utopian dream. To me it still seems like a class issue

>>16842510
Which part do you see as worse, the combination of the two or the racism?

>>16842393
Communism is for people who don't understand human behaviour but think they do.
>>16842510
It's not combining them, it's taking the parts of both that work and accepting racial reality. Honestly I could be aboard with much of communism if only they accepted the necessity of ethnically homogeneous communities. But no they always have to go ((global)).

>>16842426
not if i'm fundamentally opposed to everything it needs to exist

Its time to get reading faggots

>>16842582
doesnt matter, even traditionalist varg fags get stuck in supporting it in some way via taxes, purchases, etc.

This is quite possibly the most intelligent discussion I’ve ever been involved in. It’s depressing as hell but at the same time fascinating how philosophers/socialists have struggled with these issues for literal centuries, and we are still really struggling to find a middle ground. We want social unity and cohesion but what’s the point if everyone is miserable and overworked, carrying out mundane job descriptions that shouldn’t even exist in the first place?

>>16842566
Class itself is a victim of capitalism's blind deterritorialziation. Explain american elections through the lens of class conflict and you immediately see the limit of class critique and how much deeper the problem rally goes. Should class critique be thrown out? no, it still has uses but its not a way forward like anything else. Its one of many hundreds of tools at our disposal but again it seems like nothing can slay the hydra

>>16842582
you're free to live alone in the tundra hunting for rabbits but then you'd never challenge capitalism. If you try to confront capitalism it will absorb you into nothing. You will be Kurt cobain bitching about MTV on MTV in the prime time slot.

I would like everyone in this thread to know that panda express sucks ass

>>16842566
class struggle is not his specific critique of capitalism.

>>16842580
class struggle is not marx's specific critique of capitalism.

>>16842612
I would like everyone in this thread to know that this poster is a nigger. Quite possibly an asian one. Asians hate panda express because it makes other people happy.

>>16842603
>Explain american elections through the lens of class conflict
It seems to me like the U.S elections have everything to do with class - not in the sense that the candidates themselves are representative of different classes - instead that the whole political machine has been manufactured by the 'elite', or '1%' or whatever you want to call them, to prevent the overthrowing of their oligarchy.

>>16842603
cont from >>16842643
If a miniscule percentage of people can conjure up an ideological war fought by hundreds of millions of propagandised people to serve their own issues, how can you possibly say that's not a FUNDAMENTALLY class-based issue? It's a problem with power distribution.

>>16842576
If you had one really really great black friend who you were really close with I bet your thoughts on the ethnostate would change somewhat

what are some books about how neither capitalism or communism exist and they're just modern ideology representations of age old battles between Self and Other or God and Devil

>>16842631
That was not my point exactly, but what is then?

>>16842660
You're not wrong, but this means nothing. I'll miscegenate because I care about pussy more than the damn ethnostate, just like you will buy phones knowing damn well how they're made.

>>16842655
Yep. Control of the media has a massive influence so people cannot escape these outlandish claims/beliefs. Add in a lack of education/critical thinking skills, and it’s no wonder America is in its current state

>>16842411
>Marxism

Oof.

>>16842612
You shut your dirty fucking mouth until you are GRACED with having tried their honey walnut shrimp.

>>16842643
This is basically the point of Liberalism as a whole: create false dialectics to distract from actual issues. The entirety of Liberal thought comes down to "making the peasants get upset at the king if he stops the merchants from scamming them".

Marxism is a really good example of this, in that it's hamfisted understanding of economic relations is just another Liberal false dialectic. By paving away any actual real differences in ways of life and just reducing everything to "How many [insert global currency here] do you make per day", any actual attempt at actual consciousness of economics is eliminated.

>>16842643
But the election and the candidates themselves are reflective of how americans view politics and themselves. Class is completely obliterated there and you cant explain the political actions or preferences of anybody based on only their economic class. This is incredibly important because it shows how capitalism is able to eat and metabolize its own critique and challengers and turn them into meaningless signals detached from their origin.

Of course you can look deeper past political ideology and see mechanisms of class working the way marx described it and they are largely still true, however that orthodox marxist analysis is now itself a deterritorialized signal separate and distant from the working class in the predominate ideology with no functional value that could translate to a unified workers movement. Capitalism breaks apart eveything and scatters it into the wind. Politics themselves are divorced from the state and the state divorced from power.

Class is important and your vision of capital and class creating exploitation is still true, but this does not nearly go deep enough to address the extent of the damage and not even the same galaxy close enough to finding a solution to the problem of how to replace capitalism.

My hypermodern idea of marxism and capitalism shouldnt be looked at as a counter or debunking of marxism but the evolution of marxism using the tools and mediums discovered by the post modernists and post-marxist political theorists

>>16842692
It's not a lack of education, the education system does exactly what it is intended to do. As for thinking skills, I've met poor farmers with better thinking skills than people with a master's degree. Having a good education just means you're good at repeating what the system wants you to think.

>>16842637
cope, I am white
>>16842703
I've had panda before, overrated. For me, its chik fil a

>>16842716
Can you explain how you see class as being obliterated in the U.S? And do you think you could also elaborate on how capitalism 'metabolises it's own critique', maybe with an example? Your thoughts are definitely very interesting but I'm not quite on the same wavelength with you yet I don't think. Some clarification would be awesome.

>orthodox marxist analysis is now itself a deterritorialized signal separate and distant from the working class in the predominate ideology with no functional value that could translate to a unified workers movement

So what you're saying here is that as the scope of Marxist theory expanded, it drifted further and further away its original intentions and goals, in other words a unified workers movement? And that its abstraction away from the tangible action of, say, a workers revolution, can be attributed to the subtle subversion of capitalism? And thus many modern 'Marxists' are actually pets of the Capitalism system?

Sorry to barrage you with questions but you seem like someone I could learn something important from

i can't believe commies still hold on to marxism
marxism was a product of its time, if you want communism to succeed in 2020 you're going to need a new communist blueprint that is actually applicable to modern society

>>16842857
Its important to make distinctions between 2 separate realities here. The Real or the truth of of how things are, and the Spectacle, a fantasy world that engulfs all of us and distorts the world through an ideological lens. We are more or less always in the Spectacle. We act and think through ideology all the time whether we are aware or not. Its how we make sense of the world. The Real only exists in brief glimpses through rigorous rational analysis and trying to diminish the effect of ideological distortion. Obviously we are human so we can never truly be aware of an objective truth and can only piece it together from a synthesis of multiple disciplines.

The concept of deterritorialization in relation to capitalism is that capitalism has a remarkable ability to incorporate its critique and challengers into the spectacle, thus defanging them and making them harmless, and then reterritorializing them into product and images completely devoid of their original meaning.

lets take a group of protestors in america using castro's image and other socialist images as an example. Liberal capitalism diffuses the protestor's energy into an electoral bureaucracy and turns the radical protestors into a constituency and thus a demographic. Capitalism recognizes the creation of a new demographic created and tools up production to cater to this new group of desires. Companies begin marketing to the radicals reflecting their own images back at them and turning Che Guevara and the hammer and sickle into t shirts and other mechandise to be bought by those people and in the process make those symbols completely meaningless and divorced from their original use and meaning. There is no revolution and now the symbols of the radicals are no more subversive than a yankees hat. Obviously im streamlining this and over simplifying but processes like these inherent to liberal capitalism are how this fucking hydra defeats every challenger its ever faced. It simply absorbs everything and reflects it into schizophrenic colors and lights. This all happens in the realm of the spectacle. Through philosophical analysis I can still see the glimpses of what that revolutionary action was a response to and what it hoped to achieve, but to the naked eye che guevara is nothing more than a bumper sticker or bootleg coffee mug.

>So what you're saying here is that as the scope of Marxist theory expanded, it drifted further and further away its original intentions and goals, in other words a unified workers movement?
No. The marxist goal is a unified workers movement with revolutionary potential, however every time it seems like it shouldve materialized, something stopped it or diffused its energy into nothing. Marxists, Philosophers, and political theorists expanded their scope as a response to the failures of these modernist projects (enter post-modernism) to figure out why.

>>16842309
As it turns out people do not care about trying to make society into a utopia and turn it into a better world, they care about making their own lives better

>>16842309
It's not, everything is going exactly as planned. Keep coping.

>>16842857
>>16843023
The reason american politics operates the way itself is because the concept of class itself has been deterritorialized and no longer applies to anything of any utility. Class in america does not mean what it does in an intellectually honest academic sense that applies to orthodox marxism. It has been divorced from that meaning and turned into a spectrum of different things that fit into american liberal hegemony better.

Marxism itself has been deterritorialized as well. Everything has. Marxism is a like one of those "graffiti art zones" in cities. Its the philosophical punk jean jacket that allows you to let everyone else know you are unsatisfied with the current order and for your radical energy to be dissipated. Marxism is now an academic field for wealthy and well off kids to blow off steam and no longer a rallying cry of the working class to unify and directly challenge power and capital. If the goal of marxism was to create a working class consciousness and political movement with revolutionary potential that idea is now divorced from marxism itself.

10s of millions of people protested police violence with actual violence and blood and tears this summer and the only thing anybody has to show for it are a couple posts from Mcdonalds on instagram saying they support the protests to try and market to a new market demographic of "BLM protestor". Liberal Capitalism makes sure you can never challange power but you can buy NBA jerseys with Black Lives Matter on the back to satisfy your desires.


Everything and Everything is, has been, or will become deterritorialized by capitalism and turned into a product and market demographic. Until we come up with a way to defang that mechanism there is no replacing capitalism unless it spectacularly explodes in apocalypse (it wont).

>>16842309
The masses desire domination so whatever comes next won’t be any better

>>16842333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZU09vqBqgg

>>16843096
Brutally correct, fuck this timeline

>>16842333
>Ernst Bloch
Can I get a quick rundown?

>>16842323
t. yugioh playing catholic who doesn’t read books

>>16842309
Jesus, look at that soi mug. This Dutch faggot is seven chai lattes on the wrong side of history.

Always remember to look at a picture of the author first, /lit/.

>>16843180
youre fat and ugly
your outside reflects your inside

>>16843183
Oh no! A homosexual vegan National Sozialist !
And he doesn’t find me attractive!

Hahahaha

>>16843166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclGXZ-Q77Y

>butterfly shows up
>thread goes to shit

>>16842309
My entire life stands as evidence I think

>>16843321
>butterfly shows up
>anonymous goes to shit
Fikst

Capitalism works and it's by far the best system.

Marxism does not work.

Communism does not work.

Socialism does not work.

>>16843348
The fact that capitalism has no competition means it can be as shitty as it likes which is why capitalism is only incrementally better than the worst systems on earth.

>>16843338
Butters...easy on the Franzia

>>16843353
>capitalism has no competition
Does nature have competition?

>>16842309
when i read evola

>>16843387
Nature is also nightmarish and regresses constantly to the mean

>>16843387
it's one of those "capitalism is nature" retards lol

>>16843353
>The fact that capitalism has no competition
shit marxists say, man

that's a good one, "no competition"

>>16842309
capitalism isnt failing anything, capitalisl is just a name for the currency based economy (which could be salt or even rocks)
the State is the problem
https://mises.org/wire/ten-reasons-why-governments-fail

>>16843465
>please help me abolish age of consent laws
ancaps should be arrested

>>16843355
>Boomers: old
>Boomer music: modern
Make up yer mind

>>16843182

And people contend that physiognomy is not real.

>>16843434
I'm not a marxist, I'm just tired of retards making this country and the whole world terrible on the basis that it's still better than constant terrorism, genocide, or famine. You treat other people's vices as license for your own. You're subhuman and not fit to live in a capitalist society.

>>16843180
labor doesnt give value to things
demand pre exists labor

>>16842336
the alternative is national socailism, but the problem is that when you try it the kikes go after you
>>>/pol/291958507

>>16843502
I’m not a Marxist. Prices are arbitrary bullshit. Needs can be met, life is easy and full of meaning
We are wealth to each other

>>16842411
>which blew utopianism the fuck out
communusm is still a utopia

>>16843524
Stop playing their game. The true alternative isn’t to change the rules, it’s to stop playing.

>>16842428
>just wanna be comfortable and not spend so much time worrying about work and “professional development”
so basically you want to not obey the third law of newton, you want free shit or everything out of little effort
it doesnt work that way, you rewards you be proportional to your service, so either cut your expemses to work as little as possible or start getting creative

>>16842513
>this inability to react of crisis
what crisis? what inability? even in serious disease outbreaks the State proved itself to be the problem
if anything the solution is anarchocapitalism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1793_Philadelphia_yellow_fever_epidemic

>>16842524
>Wealth inequality is the biggest issue from capitalism right?
no nigger
the issue is poverty, which isnt created by capitalism but the State and its allies (central banks, kikes, etc)
https://dailyanarchist.com/2015/03/11/the-anarchist-republic-of-cospaia/

>>16843580
you're a pedo
simple as

>>16843531
>Needs can be met, life is easy and full of meaning

Utterly wrong. If you do nothing, you die. Simple as.

>>16843601
>Trying to separate the state from its economy

>>16842602
>It’s depressing as hell but at the same time fascinating how philosophers/socialists have struggled with these issues for literal centuries, and we are still really struggling to find a middle ground.
thats because you and the socialist "philospher" are complete retards that dont understand cause and effect, action and reaction

>>16843632
>cause
I shit in your mouth
>effect
you smell like shit

>>16842428
Comfort is a false god. Find something great to do and strive after it. (Doesn't have to be - shouldn't be - a career)

>>16843353
capistalism isnt an organization you moron

>>16843659
Weird arbitrary line in the sand

>>16843476
age of consent would still be subjected to societies customs you moron, as it has always been
ancap isnt an utopia, it considers what people really are and do today

>>16843669
explain how an ancap civilization defeats coronavirus

>>16843541
you sound like a woman

>>16842580
"Racial Reality" is horseshit. Yeah theres SOME difference. But the average of humanity is spontaneity. For every example of group behavior there exists many outliers that complete contradict your totalizing outlook on social groups.

>>16843686
>"Racial Reality" is horseshit.

You are smoothbrained.

>>16842668
The Worker is closest to this, but in the ancient sense of self, and rather than god and devil a morphology of wealth after the death of god.
It's the only answer, but plebs keep falling for the capitalism/socialism meme.

>>16843692
It is though its pure psyoppery and idpol being pushed to achieve disunitt so that humanity never agrees enough to throw off the chains of global capitalist hegemony.

We don't have to have a perfect system. We simply have to take complete controk over our worlds governments and decide as a community how to proceed. Maybe we keep something very similar but with real democracy, workers rights, and some way to hold corporate power accountable

>>16843531
>Needs can be met, life is easy and full of meaning
>We are wealth to each other
life is only as easy as your wants are easy to be met
you cannot escape from the 3rd law of newton in the current time
maybe in the future men will find out a way to get something out of nothing with no effort

>>16843732
Pure sophistry

>>16843700
>>16842668
And Plato obviously. Economy is the levelling process at war with the highest laws, or at least the stratum in which they appear.
https://direct.warosu.org/lit/thread/S16118334

>>16843682

>>16843732
Like I said. Easy

>>16843680
>explain how an ancap civilization defeats coronavirus
lets assume the comeme is a serious disease first
then how? by letting people that want to solve it do it
https://mises.org/power-market/does-coronavirus-make-case-world-government

>>16843713
>It is though its pure psyoppery and idpol being pushed to achieve disunitt so that humanity never agrees enough to throw off the chains of global capitalist hegemony.

No it's not, you moron. There are clear and obvious difference between the races on average.

>>16843832
literal joke ideology
you people are out of your fucking mind

>>16843713
niggers cant even understand what youre saying you moron, their average iq is 85
https://www.khsu.org/post/landmark-lawsuit-aimed-fix-special-ed-california-s-black-students-it-didn-t#stream/0

>>16843863
And for every average deviation there are many OTHER important factors with scientific research backing them up. I dont claim that there is no difference in people across racial lines. Simply that race is a poor OVERALL indocator of anything worthwhile and shouldn't be the basis of a system of governance. Humanity of any color doesnt exist as a steadfast monolith.

>>16843897
Heres a picture of a man whos IQ was tested at 162 at the age of fuckin 11. Now fuck off and research environmental factors.

>>16843879
>literal joke ideology
descentralization is a joke you fuckig nigger? the state prohibited people from buying drugs that would help the problem in Philadelphia's yellow fever outbreak and it prohibited drugs that would help the current coronameme
the State enforces patents which are an abomination and are not private property
the State is the entity that killed more people than anything in the entire history
you have to be a literal brainlet to defend the State in the current century, even marx knew how fucking shitty the state is

>>16843915
>And for every average deviation there are many OTHER important factors with scientific research backing them up
there isnt, its genetic, whites in poor areas still commit less crimes than blacks in rich areas

>>16843938
an outlier doesnt represent the group behavior you fucking idiot

>>16843950
>whites in poor areas still commit less crimes than blacks in rich areas
Oh is the seething libtard talking about the pol meme that comoares Compton to an Eastern Kentucky town with a population of 1000. Your ideology is a meme and apparently so are you.

>>16843964
And group behavior doesnt represent the outlier you smoothbrained manchild.

>>16843950
the only countries to come away from corona without structural damage are authoritarian asian countries that dont give a fuck about private enterprise and the feelie weelies of shareholders

>>16843972
you can compare equal populations and still get the same result
niggers lived in mudhuts while europeans had civilized europe

>>16843915

You are smoothbrained.

>>16843979
oh you're really stupid
How's life in the two digits zone?

Rip a good thread

>>16844017
>the only countries to come away from corona without structural damage are authoritarian asian countries that dont give a fuck about lying about their deaths and cases and supressing whitleblowers
fixed that for you

sweden is doing allright by the way by doing nothing

>>16844028
Sweden worst in europe. Doing alright.

Something something dissonance

>>16843938
im guessing this man does not live in a black majority society
am i right?

ancaps are the dumbest fucking people on the planet
actual black holes of personality and intellect

>>16844043
>Sweden worst in europe
how so? its very free and deaths are actually lower per 100000 than its neighbors

>>16844020
How are you on lit if you've never read a book. Did you know according to CIA statistics Whites commit a higher incidence of rape and crimes against children.

Blah blah ignoring every environmental factor because right-wing faggots have never been honest or rigorous in their study.
>>16844045
Oh so environmental factors play THAT significant of a role? I agree. Lads from UK.
>>16844025
>>16844026
Cope for having nothing of value to add

Don't visit here often, but I think I have a pretty unique perspective. I consider myself a Carsonian Mutualist, though I haven't specifically engaged with political discourse in a long time and could no longer argue for the conclusions I came to years ago. I lived on a hippie commune for three years directly after dropping out of college. I now own a small business with 4 employees while simultaneously being a socialist. Currently drunk and up for a few hours since my business is a bakery and I don't go to sleep at normal times.

My most immediate goal is using my ability to produce bread at very little cost to help local mutual aid organizations. In the next year I'd like to sell my business and buy a farm up in Wisconsin closer to where my family is settling, and I'd like to use that comparative advantage to a similar thing up there.

>>16844054
ancapism is coming wheter you like it or not buddy
https://prospera.hn
people are starting to realize the State is the problem and socialism is retarded and inevitably leads to tirannies and dystopias

>>16844065
>Did you know according to CIA statistics Whites commit a higher incidence of rape and crimes against children.
really now?
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/muslim-grooming-gangs-uk-victim-narrate-details-rape/amp/
are those "whites" jewish or hispanic? theyre gays for sure

>>16844076
>socialism is retarded and inevitably leads to tirannies and dystopias
and what exactly do you think letting the worst aspects of capitalism rule supreme is going to do? Your idea of society is a hellscape where the only desired outcome is mass extinction

You're a pedophile with a death drive and intellectual capacity of a highschooler

>>16844065
>Oh so environmental factors play THAT significant of a role? I agree. Lads from UK.
i mean the man is smart enough to realize whites create better societies so he lives in one

>>16844057
The country’s cumulative death rate since the beginning of the pandemic rivals that of the United States, with its shambolic response. And the virus took a shocking toll on the most vulnerable. It had free rein in nursing homes, where nearly 1000 people died in a matter of weeks. Stockholm’s nursing homes ended up losing 7% of their 14,000 residents to the virus. The vast majority were not taken to hospitals. Although infections waned over the summer, scientists worry a new wave will hit in the fall. Cases are rising rapidly in the greater Stockholm area, where almost one-quarter of the Swedish population lives.

>>16844088
>and what exactly do you think letting the worst aspects of capitalism rule supreme is going to do?
what worse aspects of capitalism you filthy nigger? central banks? patents?

>>16844084
The CIA is American. Bongland can deal with bongland problems.
>>16844104
Honduras is your anarcho capitalist Utopia you shitbag. Move there.

>>16844095
>cumulative death rate
so not death numbers per 100000
dont care mate

>Stockholm’s nursing homes ended up losing 7% of their 14,000 residents to the virus
one of the only State enforced measures was to lock down elderly in nursing homes
youre only making a point against yourself mouthbreather, the State should have done literally nothing

>>16844104
you're a dumb as fuck highschooler that just wants to say nigger on the internet and not having people get upset with him. Thats the extent of the "freedoms" you actually care about. You'll give some bullshit about banks or taxes or whatever but we all know the truth. Your pedophile ideology is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded.

>>16844129
They hadnt locked down nursing homes at the time you insolent fucking vegetable

>>16844129
Their case fatality rate is even higher than the US. They hit 6 fucking percent. Go fellate yourself you evil fuckwit

Chad Socialists btfo everybody in this thread. Ya love to see it.

>>16842376
Fascism sucks ass too. Everything we try sucks ass. Embrace the... Uhhh?

I think capitalism is an incredibly vague and broad term, all problems are pinned to this one singular word but when its used i often think "is what this person describing exclusive or essential to a capitalist system?" Almost always the answer is no. The person is talking about something specific but they're lazily connecting it to a scapegoat and ending their thoughts there. I think its a real problem, this train of thought seems to murder curiosity.

>>16843938
This is an impressively dumb post

>>16844688
i dont think you realize just how all encompassing liberal capitalism is.

>>16844701
Well you're getting slightly more specific, that's a start.

>>16844688
I agree to an extent. Language matters. Its useful to imagine that theyre referring to "existing" global capitalism, not the idea of trade unless otherwise specified

>>16842513
More like Ryotard, like what Rutger Bregman is

>>16842360
The idea there is any alternative is just socialist propaganda.

Based thread

>>16843748
>>16844832

>>16843182
All Dutch people look that.
Being tall is being low test.

>>16842428

>>16842513
>The Accelerationists propose