/lit/ - Literature

>>16840269
>whenever I talk to a woman
ok chad

>>16840318
I used to talk to them at university because we usually had work to do, that's all

>>16840269
No they won't fix you, but maybe help yo cope, just read anything for incels, Schopenhauer, Houellebecq, Pessoa
Stop being a whiny bitch, you weren't born to have sex or have a woman

>>16840269
>any books to cure me being a fucking loser

Listen man books aren’t going to fix your problems like some magic redpill that fucking gives you everything you need. I’m not some fucking chad, but try not being a pathetic self hating loser who posts on 4chan looking for books to cure his autism and instead try doing things that make you not a fucking retard, like shower regularly, get a healthy diet in you, exercise regularly (and i dont mean bodybuilding, i mean like going on a walk or a run or somethin, at least) get 8 hours of sleep, and for the love of God actually talk to people instead of posting on fucking 4chan, a cesspool of retards where half the people hate themselves and will tell any other pathetic loser that they need to hate themselves too. Books and the internet and 4chan and pharmaceuticals aren’t going to fix you, improving yourself in normal ways will. And don’t think you’re going to magically get pussy after a month of self improvement, it takes time, and while you’re improving yourself you’ll realize that getting a gf isn’t what would actually fix your life, and that becoming a better, healthier person in a world that doesn’t actually want you to be healthy and happy is the most important and liberating thing in the world.

>>16840269
>20
Thats nothing, wait untill you are 22

>>16840474
>just read anything for incels, Schopenhauer, Houellebecq, Pessoa
Don't. Those will just validate you

>>16840493

>>16840269
A book that convinced you to kill yourself, fucking leave this garbage on /r9k/

>>16840536
Honestly this.
OP you're garbage, incels are garbage, they will never attain something useful and only pollute this earth with their dirty lives
We should just euthanize them all, fuck off

>>16840493
This. But if you read anything OP, go read the Bible. Hit Proverbs and Ecclesiasies if you want specific life advice.

>>16840269
get a therapist.

>>16840566
I'm basically an incel without the incel part.
If I remove 4chan I'm a prisoner in solitary confinement.

>>16840589
I'm not OP tho, I hate this kind of thread.

>>16840493
This is good advice. Get your shit together.

>>16840589
Me too lad, what a life isn't it

>>16840269
Pic needed the sad cat instead of that dog as the pet.

>>16840269
Whatever you do, don't marry the hot ones.

>>16840622
Why

>>16840269
>pet who is happy to see you

>>16840603
It's weird. I was headed toward a normal life made of the normal milestones then something changed for no specific reason and I started feeling at odds with the world. I had no specific reason why I quit studying and never looked for a job, I just did. I have skills that would land me a job somewhere, I'm not unattractive and I could probably date again if I got back into shape and I tried. I just don't care about the achievements anymore. I'm not depressed, I just don't like it here. And time has accelerated so fucking much in the last decade so as soon as I stopped on my tracks, the world became unrecognizable faster than I could process. Meanwhile all the literature that used to be about change has now become about sales, so all you can get to aid yourself is self-help shit and two-bit validation.
Feels bad man.

>>16840589
>>16840603
we are in three
what are we doing with our lives?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SAZ-9OVt2M&t=3s

>>16840667
not much apparently

>>16840654
watch un homme qui dort

>>16840754
lol

>>16840667
>what are we doing with our lives?
I have no idea how to reason myself out of the idea that I have to fit a "role" in society when society does not require the roles I want to fill. I think I was raised with values and goals that were only relevant one or even two generations ago. It really feels like people and society as a whole have changed. The logical idea would be to drop these goals but I was educated all my life to think of these goals and I can't break the conditioning, especially since it feeds into natural social instincts of human beings.

>>16840766
>I have no idea how to reason myself out of the idea that I have to fit a "role" in society when society does not require the roles I want to fill.
same, but for different reasons
I was probably educated from very different values from you
Though, I don't feel like I fit here, and also I don't really want to fit.
Because since the very beginning I see people getting educated to just become a inhuman piece of a system, wasting your youth, then working 9-5 just to get home tired and starting over tomorrow.
I am not a socialist, neither a communist or others, I just don't care about most of the things except myself.
I understand that I can't live without a job, yet I don't want to get my life sucked away, I want to try to express myself.. but as now I have done.. not much apparently
and I can't understand how everyone isn't going insane

what are your goals btw?

>>16840269
Return to the Classics, my friend. Read Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle, and Republic by Plato. If don't understand some parts, watch lectures about them. There's no same in improving your understanding. However, as others have noted, reading alone will do nothing. Develop good habits and stick to them. If you struggle to stick to them, start with something dead easy. If you want to get in shape, start by driving to the gym, hanging out for 2 minutes and leaving. After a few days, increase it to four minutes, then eight, then eventually you'll be working out regularly without even thinking about it. Also, don't try to solve all your problems at once. This will always lead to failure. You need to integrate change gradually. If you decide to improve one area of your life, wait until that improvement becomes the new normal before progressing further. This will take, but there is gratification in knowing that every day you improve a little more. In time you will realize that a romantic relationship is a mere accessory to happiness. To be healthy, virtuous, and excellent bring more happiness than you can imagine.

>>16840890
very delightful choice anon
OP listen to him
also, among with those classics read the Iliad and the Odissey, you won't regret it


also don't listen to this faggot >>16840474

>>16840654
>I was headed toward a normal life made of the normal milestones then something changed for no specific reason and I started feeling at odds with the world
What a blessing. Unironically a gift.
> Meanwhile all the literature that used to be about change has now become about sales, so all you can get to aid yourself is self-help shit and two-bit validation
The content didn't change drastically, you were rightfully disenchanted by the spook that is 'self help'. It's like picking yourself up by the bootstraps, comical. You can only put 'that which thinks it can help or be helped' in its proper place. This 'self help' impulse is what drives people into lives of droll mediocrity.

>>16840566
Why do people hate virgins so much?

>>16840953
It's like heightism and racism, there are no real concrete reasons.

>>16840953
Because it effectively bursts their bubble. More specifically the incels who don't care about sex in general. It offers an alternative viewpoint to the hegemony of sex as a proxy for social capital. When people don't play the 'game' it infuriates those who do.

>>16840953
not virgins. only obnoxious whiny faggots like op

>>16840979
I thought it might be for the same reason that some rich people hate the poor. Hating someone because they aren't as "good" as you. I like your explanation too.

>>16840474
>SHE DOESNT OWE YOU SEX DUDE, JUST BACK OFF

>>16840989
People who are rich are heavily invested in the system because, to them, it legitimizes their position as a 'winner'. They see poor people as losers and pity them, and rightly so if these poor people are equally invested as they.
What really infuriates the rich are not poor capitalists, but marxists who outright reject their system. They cannot be labeled as losers because they do not accept the rules of the game--it's kinda the equivalent of somebody flipping the monopoly table over.
The same goes for virgin-shaming. Sex, like money, makes the world go round. Sex, power, and money are all interchangeable assets in this system. Those who reject power, reject sex, and reject money are pretty much the ultimate enemy

>>16840269
Fellow former incel here. When I finally made it with girls, I realised how that didn't fill the emptiness in my life, or how that wasn't what I had been looking for.
Admittedly I don't think I found my "soulmate", but what are the chances?
I can only recommend taking the Godpill, but that's a long path. There there is Truth and fulfillment.
If at the beginning of the journey, I would recommend David Bentley Hart's "The Experience of God".

>>16841039
Is that why the middle class hates people who refuse to participate in society so much?

>>16841061
>>16840890
The classics are also a good place to start with the Godpill. It's a long path, so start sooner than later!

>>16840986
I don't go around telling people I'm a virgin, but the few times it's come up people have always started acting like I insulted them in some way.

>>16841064
Definitely. The middle class is simultaneously the most invested and most victimized. They loathe the wealthy and despise the poor for the same reasons--'unfair compensation'. In the case of the wealthy, this comes by way of tax loopholes and the fact that wealth creates wealth. In the case of the poor, it's things like entitlement programs and their status as a 'drain' on taxpayer dollars. They bust their ass without reaching the upper class and also subsidize the class below them who doesn't seem to work as hard.

>NOOOO STOP STOP STOP MESSING UP THE WELL CRAFTED CATALOG OF MY LITERATURE LARP BOARD. YOU KILLED MY 1 POST /ACC/ SHITPOST THREAD

>>16841109
Meds, now

>>16841101
They would despise both less if they were less squeezed.

In 1971 the streets were on fire over the Pentagon Papers, and anti-war protests had been flaring up for half a decade. No one was actually mobilized by hatred of the rich.

In 2011 the streets were filled with the same demographic cohort, this time outraged over the depredations of the 1%. The nation was yet again embroiled in forigen war, but no one really cared about that anymore.

When the masses are doing well they care not a whit about the rich.

>>16841128
Which ones do you take?

>>16841152
Estradiol. You?

>>16840269
No. If you're a cerebral type of young man then leaning into literature isn't going to make you a hit with women. It will however help you realize that living your life in pursuit of validation from females is a pathetic slave life that you should rise above. Never forget that women can smell desperation and low confidence from miles away.

>>16841083
I was talking about op
your friends probably just think you're weird. there is clearly something wrong with someone who's virgin in his 20s

>>16841179
>there is clearly something wrong with someone who's virgin in his 20s
God I hate this fucking gay life so goddamn much, why did I have to be a fucking virgin loser, i will always be a loser in the eyes of other people just because a few whores didn't let me get under their shit stained pants, why
WHY

I wouldn't mind being a virgin if it wasn't so ostracizing.

>>16841206
How is it ostracizing? Nobody else needs to know.

>>16841179
That's why you don't mention it. If I'm comfortable in my own skin as a virgin, why do I need to advertise that? It's for me to know. I'm asking to be cut down by people who take tremendous stock in sex as a part of their overall worldview if I publicize it.
It's like telling somebody you won the lottery. Why would you tell them unless you want them to pester you for money?
>>16841198
Do you care, or do they care? If you don't care, fuck em.

>>16841208
>people look at you like a godforsaken outcast
>women look at you like a dog or a deeply disturbed man when they get to know you're a virgin
>your friends will always see you as a weird nigger because you couldn't do the old in out in out with a femoid

>>16841208
>nobody else needs to know
Except they know when you're lying

>>16841179
not really though. someone can be a total introvert from age 15-25. it's quite easy to let those years fly without interacting with women, or anyone else for that matter.

>>16841231
Lmao why would you have to lie about it? Think about a confident man who doesn't talk about their sex life. Would you assume they're a virgin, or would you assume they're a well adjusted guy who fucks? Keep those faggots guessing.

>>16841242

>>16841224
>>16841231
>people look at you like a godforsaken outcast
>women look at you like a dog or a deeply disturbed man
>your friends will always see you as a weird nigger
This is called being an autistic outcast. It doesn't magically go away after having sex. Just start working towards acknowledging accepting what you are and move on.
t. autistic outcast who though it would all go away after having sex but was surprised when it didn't

>>16841242
Something I notice in my own friend group is that the guys who talk about fucking the most are generally the most insecure and have something to prove.

>>16841223
>why do I need to advertise that?
idk ask op
>people who take tremendous stock in sex
sex is an extremely mundane and inconsequential thing for everyone. that's why if you can't any there is clearly something wrong with you

>>16840493
I swear this exact same platitude filled paragraph gets posted by some redditor 50 times an hour. Crazy how the solution to every social ill is so nuanced that it essentially doesn't exist, but when it comes to the epidemic of feckless and borderline suicidal young men, the answer really is as simple as washing your penis and hitting the gym.
For fuck's sake, don't you people get tired of smelling your own farts?

>>16840269
Go to a gym and find some friends in a hobby that forces you to meet people you fucking retard

>>16841208
>go on a few dates with a girl from school
>let it slip that I'm a virgin
>EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>never talks to me again
>tells all her friends.

>>16840883
>what are your goals btw?
Cultural stuff. It goes deeper than not being able to fit in the market or disliking the practices, I just dislike the market itself at its core. The final consumer seems to look at the product in a way that has nothing to do with the way I did when I was in that spot. It feels like people cannot be inspired or truly impacted any longer. Even very noble efforts better than anything I'd be able to cook up will instantly become commodified. While I lament a lack of heart in things, it seems like people are taken aback every time they see some sincerity or uncorrupted effort.
I've been in the process of scrapping everything but even considering the sunken costs fallacy I am simply too attached to this goal to let go of it and build another future for myself that is independent from "society". It isn't even about selling or making a career for myself anymore, it's more about finding very basic human validation. Everyone generally tells me it's puerile and lectures me, but I cannot see a real example of a spirit that wasn't broken by complete absence of validation, respect or consideration. Ineffectual people simply wither and die, and it looks like that's where I'm headed.
>>16840938
>What a blessing. Unironically a gift.
I don't regret it nor I would ever go back, but of course I have to make the best of it because it's not working out as is.

>>16841260
>sex is an extremely mundane and inconsequential thing for everyone. that's why if you can't any there is clearly something wrong with you
>It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society
So there is no cure isn't it

>>16841239
>someone can be a total introvert from age 15-25
which is bad. you are stunting your growth during the most important years of your development

>>16840953
Same reason they hate vegans and devout religious types. Their existence has someone who abstains is interpreted as a judgement on those who indulge.
Now, if you're asking why people hate incels? Because they whine a lot and kill people and for the most part people associate them with rapacious tendencies and pedophilia.
Also because people in general hate loser men on a biological level.

>>16840758
Also I forgot to say in my last post, I'll watch this ty.

>>16841260
>sex is an extremely mundane and inconsequential thing for everyone
If it's so mundane and inconsequential, why do people chimp out when they can't acquire it?
>that's why if you can't any there is clearly something wrong with you
Implying I give a shit or even try in the first place. If it's so mundane, then it's my choice to take a temporary leave of absence to focus on myself. The fact that foregoing sex is so foreign to you is telling of your own attachments and personal baggage.

>>16841198

>>16841275
>I don't regret it nor I would ever go back, but of course I have to make the best of it because it's not working out as is
It'll pass. Is self-understanding still the most pressing issue on your mind? More than making money or finding a job? If so, you're on the right track. Brian Eno said that the most important task of any young creative is to avoid getting a job. Keep pushing

>>16841332
>Brian Eno said that the most important task of any young creative is to avoid getting a job.
Based neet

>>16841274
>let it slip that I'm a virgin
How??? Just don't say anything. Or lie if you must.

>>16840269
HAVE SEX RETARD

IT'S FUN

>>16841344
I'm going to school to keep my parents hopeful about my future. I most likely will not utilize my degree in any meaningful way, but if they're willing to pay for their own peace of mind then I'll happily do it. It buys me more time before I'm thrown onto the hamster wheel.
NEET shouldn't be a dirty word. Why do we try to break up families so quickly and atomize them into discrete worker units? My parents are getting older and I'm happy to spend more time with them. If I remain at home after graduation, I will work enough to pay for 'rent' and for my own food so that they can't use my dependency as a bargaining chip. I've dealt with that in the past and it's the one true negative of living with family.

>>16841422
She asked me about past relationships. I liked her and wanted to be honest.

>>16841485
>I liked her and wanted to be honest
First mistake.

>>16840269
Why the fuck would you want to have sex? Why the fuck would you want to deal with another human being for more than you have too? Why the fuck do you think this place is /r9k/?

>>16840269
>I'm 20 years old, kissless, virgin,
Same, what's up my brotha.
Not sure what you're sad about though. Also despite what I've read here I've never had the
>Ewwww
>Run away
reaction when I've told girls I'm a kissless virgin. They're mostly just confused until they see my Cirno phone wallpaper.
I would only have sex with someone if I really loved them, and I've never had a crush or actually loved a 3D women so as far as I can tell that's not going to happen. I also can't disconnect love from sex, even my hentai collection is 90% love sex. And to be clear I'm not some religious fag, that's just how I am I guess.
Don't know what you're sad about though. Sounds less like you need sex and more like you need real friends.
Buy a brap-mobile and we can ride together

>>16841332
>Is self-understanding still the most pressing issue on your mind? More than making money or finding a job? If so, you're on the right track.
I don't know if I would call it self-understanding. I think the most pressing issue is discarding the role I had designed for myself so far and inventing a new one that works for me and me alone, and honestly I'm lost there. Yes technically it's self-understanding, but it's a forced situation because I am still attached to society and covering this role of influencer (not in the social media sense but in the sense of a giver, what I think a person who works in culture should be).
>Brian Eno said that the most important task of any young creative is to avoid getting a job.
The problem is that Brian Eno never had and will never have to work with the people I see today. This is where I don't know if I am biased or simply too blackpilled, but I feel like people, even young people, have become much more impervious to the kind of impact that I welcome in my life. The media I see today, whether it's books or art or movies, feels centered on the distribution of very rough stimuli with little substance behind and this kind of non-committal overload seems to be exactly what people want the most. The things I would like to do and the idols I hold dear, I'm afraid, would have no chance to win any hearts in the modern context, or even if they could, they wouldn't be able to get visible enough in the first place because the internet has become like a giant funnel where what is like water goes through first. But I don't complain much about the system, I think the previous system was definitely more unfair or arbitrarily selective: you depended on what an editor or some other decision-maker thought would sell. What I don't have any faith in is the people.

>>16841493
Why shouldn't I be able to be honest with a possible future mate?

>>16841521
Because there will be no "future mate" if you're slinging the fact that you have a perma-dry penis. Stop logically approaching women like you do men.

>>16840566
>>16840536
>mindless seething towards someone who never wronged you
NPCs belong in a camp. Uncle Adolph tried to warn us. We only had to listen

>>16841549
So what should I do? I don't think that I would want to be with someone who was so shallow that they ran away because I'm a virgin.

>>16841268
what the fuck are you on about, man? That anon was pretty concise

>>16841562
Well for starters you're sitting on /lit/ kvetching about being an adult virgin on a Saturday evening so you're probably not in any position to be making grand statements about who you "think you want to be with".

>>16841521
Women are like children. There's a reason it used to be expected that you'd beat them regularly.

>>16841564
He was concise because he was walking over well tread ground. I don't understand how someone could read that and not see something that's been said thousands of times before. It's all noise, filler text that changes nothing because it acts on nothing that is changeable.
People have wedged this paragraph as the cure all for the incel problem, were they simply to listen. It's shallow analysis and that's why the problem is destined to get worse until it hits crescendo and we're either Japan or something much worse.

>>16841496
are you me?

>>16841583
What the fuck am I supposed to be doing? Everything is closed because of the virus and I've been laid off. Where would I even meet someone right now?

>>16841621
hey hey relax young man, I'm on your side. Right now you should be assessing why you're a virgin and why it bothers you. You need to realize that having sex is not some kind of magical ritual that's going to make you NOT an autistic loser. There's a lot more that goes into being a normie-tier person than inserting your erect penis inside a woman. See >>16841258. take it from me, having sex doesn't do what you think it will. I had lots of sex with my girlfriend in my first year of uni and I'm still a complete outcast. If you don't believe me then just get a prostitute or try something similar on tinder.

>>16841496
Very based, you're a good lad

Even though most of you are just looking for validation, here's a few spoilers for all of you virgins: That sense of self-worth or achievement you think you are going to get from sticking you weiner in a girl for the first time only lasts for a very short time. You'll go right back to where you were in no time, except now you'll think that it will somehow be a girlfriend who is going to magically fix your problems for you. She won't. Another person will only improve your quality of life if you already have a solid foundation built.

Also, sex isn't as great as you think it is. Don't base your self-worth on something so banal. Nobody but you cares about you being a virgin. If people say they do care, they're not people you want to know anyway.

>>16841691
This is what I've been saying this whole thread. Sex is just one of those things that you need to experience to know that it doesn't have the power to significantly change your life.

>>16841507
> I think the most pressing issue is discarding the role I had designed for myself so far and inventing a new one that works for me and me alone, and honestly I'm lost there.
From my vantage, the role is intrinsic to the being. Schopenhauer said "A man can do as he wills, but not will as he wills". Basically, your deepest personality traits will guide you. So long as you're acting out of truth, these opportunities will fall into your lap eventually. Fear not.
>The things I would like to do and the idols I hold dear, I'm afraid, would have no chance to win any hearts in the modern context
Well, you're a fan of those idols, aren't you? And despite what you see, there are others like you. So long as you can 'discover the unique gift and give it away' (Picasso) You will be provided for. And if you're acting in accordance with your birthright, a modest life will suffice. True value doesn't go unrewarded. There might be some delays, but it'll come. Much love

>>16841725
>Basically, your deepest personality traits will guide you.
I am terrified of my deepest personality traits. I'm incredibly self-destructive. My whole battle is about avoiding the self-destruction and trying to use purpose to drive me instead. Without a purpose I eat myself to nothing. This is pretty much what I know will kill me if I don't find a new goal / purpose / role that fits either society or my life outside of it.
My life really feels like being in a closed room that is flooding. Time goes by, I am already getting older and weaker, my spirit plots against me and all I have is this search for purpose.
>>16841725
>So long as you can 'discover the unique gift and give it away' (Picasso)
I hate Picasso. He was a marketer. He's the kind of person I don't want to be like.
>True value doesn't go unrewarded.
>And despite what you see, there are others like you.
No faith in that left. I've lost every trace of the fire that kept that belief going, and I've been going without for years.

>>16841725
>discover the unique gift and give it away
Guess that was misattributed to Picasso. It's some self help fag. Bummer. Anyways, point still stands.

>>16841303
Sex is like oxygen.
It's a mundane and inconsequential acquisition normally, yes. But if you're in a position where you can't get it then something is VERY wrong, and I think you have the right to chimp out.

>>16841781
>But if you're in a position where you can't get it then something is VERY wrong, and I think you have the right to chimp out.
As men we harbour the genetic battleground of our species within our DNA. Most of us were biologically destined to fail. Only though extreme social organization and restrictions were we able to circumvent this. Take the doompill and make of this life what you can as a genetically-determined failure.

>>16841781
Fuck you

>>16841652
What I seek is a meaningful, fulfilling relationship with someone of the opposite sex.

>>16841764
>I am terrified of my deepest personality traits. I'm incredibly self-destructive.
If the trait was not evident from early childhood, it is conditioned phenomena. It's subject to coming and going based on conditionality. For all you know, that 'self destructive' behavior is your deeper nature protecting you from things you don't actually want on a deeper level. All of your actions have led you up to this point. Like I said before, the deeper personality guides you. For good reason, mind you. Here's Foyan with the weather.
"I always tell you that what is inherent in you is presently active and presently functioning, and need not be sought after, need not be put in order, need not be practiced or proven. All that is required is to trust it once and for all."
You're afraid because the fraud that's running your life is about to be found out and put in his proper place. Trust nature, because it always wins in the end.

>>16841839
Then you might be asking too much depending on who you are and what you offer.

>>16841816
whats the playlist

>>16840269
I lost my virginity to a trans woman at 21 and vaginal virginity at 22.

you can lift weights, read, meditate etc all you want but what really matters is that you need to get off 4chan and develop a personality that people like. I dont mean a people pleaser personality, just be a person that people like to be around. Meditation helps, it helps you be less neurotic and hateful, people dont like judgement. Be a fun hang. and if you cant do that just be a nice person to be around.

This sense of neediness is also going to drive women away, you need to build up your worth and understand your worth. Women can sense this, and so can men. When you finally become attractive enough for women to love is when finally you wont need their love anyways.

>>16841816
This goes all out of the window if you understand that the people whom women fuck are not always the people they have children with. There are plenty of women who later settle with the genetic material they discarded.

>>16841868
It's some philosophy of men and women series. Not bad but a bit long unless you watch things on 2x.

>>16841872
>Don't worry! You might be lucky enough to be betabux for a blown out 30 year old!
If you want to live on such contingencies then you go ahead.

>>16841870
>lost my virginity to a trans woman
This hurt to read. I'm so sorry, anon. Trannies deserve death by torture.

>>16841870
>just be a person that people like to be around
Don't be anything you're not. 'Be yourself' sounds like a cliche, but it's the absolute truth. You seem to know about meditation for its calming effects, but more importantly it teaches you to 'be yourself' if done properly. The layers of artifice that we set up for socialization prevent people from loving us for who we really are. Shel Silverstein's 'Masks' comes to mind.
>She had blue skin,
>And so did he.
>He kept it hid
>And so did she.
>They searched for blue
>Their whole life through,
>Then passed right by-
>And never knew.

>>16841881
That is not what I said, I didn't imply an argument in favor of that. I just said that in this society there's a degree of obliquity between "breeding" and "having sex", and in fact many men who were discarded as "bad" genetic material end up breeding.

>>16841857
>For all you know, that 'self destructive' behavior is your deeper nature protecting you from things you don't actually want on a deeper level
Can you explain this to me again lad, i'm a midwit

>>16841864
I'm pissed where we live in a world where having a decent relationship is asking too much.

>>16841913
Yes and lots of men end up being stepfathers.
>>16841928
Welcome.

>>16841896
yeah i should have clarified, i think we are on the same page. People can misconstrue "be yourself" to just be a complete asshole, and thats not gonna get him laid, unless hes talking to someone with serious problems/baggage. Meditation unravels all the neuroticism and blockades that stop you from "being yourself", the one who isnt an asshole.

>>16841924
I think I understand what he is saying. This is hard to digest because society gaslights you against believing your gut, but the self-destructive, self-sabotaging is usually quite reasonable and that's why it has such an influence. The issue is just letting it destroy the flawed role instead of letting it destroy the person who holds it. It's interesting to think about this, >>16841857 I printed it out btw, I'll go over it a few times. Ty.

>>16841496
>Sounds less like you need sex and more like you need real friends.
This. I'm the same as you OP. Just get good friends who care about you. Don't let one aspect of your person define you. That's the problem with incels. They obsess over how sexless they are and drag themselves through the mud in the process. Just focus on what you have.

>>16841933
>Welcome.
I might as well just become an ascetic.

>>16841957
>I might as well live like forest anon
Unironically yes. It's that or move to Thailand.

>>16841691
>Also, sex isn't as great as you think it is. Don't base your self-worth on something so banal.
This is very true but it’s hard to really understand that it doesn’t matter until you’ve had it.
>Nobody but you cares about you being a virgin. If people say they do care, they're not people you want to know anyway.
Most people do indeed care if you’re a guy, while that is in large part wrong of them, it doesn’t change that fact. Women will be much less likely to want to date you or continue a long term relationship leading to marriage kids etc. If they know you’re a virgin. You might as well lie about it if you are, if you’re on 4chan, you probably are or were enough of a cooler that you’ll last a long time your first time anyway

>>16841937
Thanks lad

>>16841963
Thai Forest Buddhism monasteries are popping up like mushrooms in the West.

>>16841937
Thanks for explaining for me. 'Gut' is right. Translated from eastern texts, it's known as 'heart-mind'. The gut is true wisdom. However, in the case of a strong emotion like fear, it can hijack your central nervous system and convince you that it's coming from the gut when it's really coming from the brain. Important to keep in mind. The brain can be conditioned and socialized, the gut is your birthright
>I printed it out btw, I'll go over it a few times. Ty.
That's kind of you to say. I highly recommend checking out Foyan, the guy I quoted. Cleary Translation. :)

>>16841870
>I lost my virginity to a trans woman at 21
I'm so sorry anon

>>16841993
its fine, i spent too much time on /gif/ . porn rotted mind.

>>16840953
Being an incel is the last taboo of contemporary society, therefore it is the last acceptable hatesink for the herd.

>>16842055
Alternatively, you could say that being a virgin indicates low quality genes, therefore it makes sense for most humans to develop a hatred towards the genetically inferior as a way to prevent the proliferation of low quality genes in populations.

>>16842055
>Being an incel is the last taboo of contemporary society
Blatantly false.

>>16842077
Oh? Which taboos are left besides inceldom, then? Unless you're genuinely going to argue that open pedophilia is the other one I just don't see where you're going with this.

>>16842077
Is it? Weak, snivelling, unfuckable men are the PERFECT target for group bashing. Almost nobody considers that incels are just regular people who are extremely mentally ill. It's much more fun to berate them. Think about it, what's one of the first insults you'll face if you make a criticism of women?
>Lol I bet yur a virgin
The old hole deprivation meme isn't that far off of reality. Society loves to hate male losers.

>>16841073
I wouldn't say the godpill is really going to lead you purely to Christianity, I started with the classics 2 decades ago and over time developed a polytheistic interpretation of religion

>>16842106
Pedos, doing any of the "isms", being antisemitic, to name a few. Though if you're only talking about sexual stuff then I mostly agree with you. Barring pedos and nasty fetishes like scat and stabbing.
>>16842140
I'm an incel too, I feel ya.

>>16840493
based

OP start taking care of yourself, no one else will

>>16842140
It's not really just incels. Unsuccessful men in general are the taboo. The incels are only the tip of the iceberg that people love to hate. Men with depression are secretly loathed just the same as incels. This is obvious if you are one. People simply don't care that men are the leading category in suicides, so much that every acknolwedgment of this is completely ignored, and people would much rather talk about "attempts" by other minorities (no matter if it's taking one too many of your vitamins vs. shooting yourself in the head like men do).
The only difference is that incels happen to be aggressive and misogynist and for threatening the narrative they get bashed on in return. Same with NEETs who are openly against working (you can be anti-capitalist but never criticize the concept of work). Otherwise these men would easily accommodate into the ranks of those who are quietly left alone in hope that they'll kill themselves and make space for whoever convenient alternative is being used to replace them (robots, refugees, etc.)

>>16842229
Though "taboo" is not really the word, I'd say "scapegoat" instead. They're the people getting thrown out of the airlock.

>>16842167
Inceldom and unconventional politics are thought to come hand-in-hand, though. That's basically the crux of why people like to make such a big thing of incels - it isn't about them caring about people not having sex (you can always just import the third world if birth rates fall low enough), but about every incel being a potential mass shooter, or incels being the first and most numerous source of adherents for every political group that might threaten the contemporary status quo.

Pedos are in a much better situation, comparatively. We're already at the point where gay people were a couple decades back, where you're supposed to admire the ones not living out their sexuality because "it's just how they were born" and such (I explicitly remember the protagonist girl from that nymphomania movie or whatever it was saying this verbatim a couple years back - from a semi-mainstream movie made by an influential and respected director). A decade or two more and we'll reach the point where pedophilia will become legalized, or at least thought of as something that is ought to be legalized in the near future if we're to ever reach our glorious Utopia of egalitarianism.

>>16840269
Get a job where you'll be surrounded by women.
Just to survive you're gonna have to learn to talk to them with confidence, then to effortlessly flirt.
Maybe you'll even find a nice girl right there without having to look anywhere else.

>>16842229
>People simply don't care that men are the leading category in suicides
>The only difference is that incels happen to be aggressive and misogynist and for threatening the narrative they get bashed on in return
>Same with NEETs who are openly against working
All good points and definitely related to what I said here >>16841258 and here >>16841816. Basically society hates non-compliant men. Refusing go along with the common narrative or refusing to be a good little producer is the best way to draw popular wrath. Just look at men who "subvert" the hierarchy (ie men who move abroad for pussy, men who frequent prostitutes, MGTOWs, incels, etc.)- they're absolutely hated by everybody. Why? They're cheating. They're not in their role. "If they don't play by the rules then why should I?" One of the ultimate and final pills is realizing that human society is actually deeply gynocentric on a fundamental, biological level. Almost everything we do is to protect and benefit women. Below is the series linked in that screencap. It explains pretty well the origins and implications of "the male role".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUYg5FwtPXo&list=PL0_NDS-d7r8sDdayDiareTeurd92Q7nsD

>>16842310
What does one do to get out of this? I do want kids one day but now that I'm nearing 30 with no relationships it feels hopeless

I don't want to end up a failure

>>16842317
Most popular way is to move abroad to countries where being a white westerner is a huge plus. I quipped about moving to Thailand but that's a pretty common strategy for people who don't have much hope. You could maybe try a seeking arrangements thing too in the hope of finding a similarly situated woman. However two dysfunctional people coming together doesn't bode well for their offspring. You COULD also look into donating to sperm banks to get over the mental block of being a genetic non-contributor. Ideally though you'd give up the idea of having children.

>>16842341
I unfortunately feel obligation towards my ancestors to have children, so I need to figure SOMETHING out, and fast.

>>16842317
You're only a failure if you consider yourself one. If you think about modern "successful" people they are objectively turning the world into a disaster. Are these people "winners"? In terms of making money, sure. In human terms, as far as their contribution to the world goes? They achieved nothing, in fact they did nothing but destroy the fiber of society. Lots of people are successful and they die in slavery of vice. You might feel desperate, empty, hopeless, anything really, but you shouldn't think of yourself as a failure because this term is entirely up to a society that happens to be deeply rotten, not just like previous societies were rotten but openly rotten in a way that no other civilized society in history used to be. We openly celebrate the things that we deem evil.
The hard part is finding your path without resentment.

>>16842353
Then look into sperm banks. If you're educated and semi-tall they'll accept your "donation".

>>16842381
>and semi-tall
I feel so sorry for laughing but I imagined a 6' sign that says "you must be at least THIS tall to breed" at the door of the sperm bank

>>16842381
>tfw only 5'10

>>16842381
>>16842407
Kinos for this feel?

>>16842399
>>16842407
Varies by location and institution but this one here says between 5'7 (I suspect that's for Asian donors only) and 5'9. If you ever doubt the biological determinism that I'm talking about just remember that they wont even accept your DNA unless you're 5'9 or taller and educated (indicates higher than average IQ). I don't blame them at all. Were I a woman, I wouldn't want to get unlucky and carry the child of a 5'3 80iq retard either.

>>16842420
Idk if it really hits the same way but I'm currently reading Nabokov's Pnin and he's a kind of laughably pathetic character.

>>16842381
What makes you think that an incel who can't even bed a woman would be thought of as good enough material for people who could just as easily choose the sperm of the 6'4" doctor with the baseball bat dick action?

>>16842477
Because if you're educated and tall enough then they don't need to know much more about you to think you're good enough. Personally I think sperm banks are INSANE but hey when the option is there. I'm neither a virgin nor an incel but I'm still considering making a few deposits just to alleviate that ever-nagging notion that I have a duty or responsibility to contribute to the gene pool. That way if I decided I wanted to have kids of my own it wouldn't be because I felt like I "had to"; it would be because I wanted to.

>>16842477
>I unroll my scroll of pepe edits and greentexts
>Every woman in the facility immediately demands my seed

>>16842548

>>16842399
May as well be. Nobody want's manlet DNA.

>>16840953
I it's a psychic projection of low self esteem and weakness that attracts wolves

>>16842381
I dropped out of highschool but I'm also 6'3, would I get accepted or probably not?

>>16841268
because washing your penis and getting some exercise are really helpful if you are feeling down or lost. really simple activities that help you feel a little better about yourself and clear out your mind a bit. they aren't the magical cure for all life problems but it somewhere to start.

>>16842477
>6'4" doctor with the baseball bat dick action?
Why would a mega chad who doesn't smoke and doesn't do drugs be willing to abstain from sex for a whole 48 hours to donate his seed to a bank so that women can use it as they please? My only explanation is that the paper says "any sexual partners must be exclusively female for the past five years", which means, basically, that he didn't get laid for 5 years after he quit being gay.

>>16840269
The last time I got laid was about 6 years ago in my early twenties. Sometimes I take mushrooms and all the aggressive desire comes out, so I go to the stripclub. I have been looking at a certain website where you can procure a prostitute. I spend at least 2-3 hours a day reading philosophy, have for years, and all I want to talk about in social settings is the history of philosophy and different abstract arguments, so its really turned the last few dates I had into disasters. I don't even really want a gf. I think my path in life is best traveled alone. I just want a reliable, faithful cum dumpster that does shit for me and is nice.

>>16841268
Based.

>>16842648
Probably not. Indicators of high IQ (as flawed as they may be) are more important than height.

>>16841268
Just wash your penis bro

>>16841443
Not worth dude.

>>16840269
this picture
he is literally me

>>16841443
>I will work enough to pay for 'rent' and for my own food so that they can't use my dependency as a bargaining chip
If they're doing this to you then they probably want you to leave. Maybe not because they hate you, but because of the Boomer idea that you need to force your kids out into the world in order for them to "make it" and "be a man".

>>16840269
The KJV Bible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUO5o4YmTbA

>>16840269
I didn't get with a girl until 23. Books helped me by making me interesting to talk to, for girls who are enamored by intellectual men. The archived/deleted rsdtyler Owen Cook videos are what helped me to be confident and actually do it. Those are downloadable if you search.

>>16842867
>Desert Jew Cult

>>16842889
>tfw 28 and never been with one

>>16840953
because the world hates those which are innocent

Christ this place has more underage people than I thought. OP and other anons here, you need to realize that sex isnt the end goal or checkpoint you need to hit in your life, you get nothing out of it at the end of the day because unless you’re an actual man who has a developed brain that love you have wont last because as a man you’re still growing and changing who you are. Its like knowing what you want to do with your life at 18, you’re not ready and you’re going to hurt yourself. I know being lonely can suck but you need to stop glorifying women and relationships its a terrible habit that will ruin your fucking life, ask people who arent shitheads if they care about how much sex they had or if it impacted their life at all, because usually they will say little to none. Go do something thats actually fulfilling and can make you happy like going camping for a while or a really exciting hobby and just living a healthy life, usually the girl comes naturally after you do that. If you still feel like posting “tfw no gf” like a faggot then go jerk off or fuck a hooker. If you cant get your life together and live on your own what makes you think you can handle some bitch who wants to waste your money all the time and in general living and caring for another human? You’re not ready and the pretty face is overrated and not worth it.

>>16842924
Just men. Female virgins are still respected, if seen as a bit odd.

>>16842943
The god strat is caring so little about women that they become drawn to you.

>>16842963
Exactly, if you dont care about them then you get a free woman anyway and if you’re secretly lonely and want a gf then you finally get your gf before you even notice it

>>16842943
Both biologically and culturally, having sex is an incredibly important milestone for a man.
I lost my virginity at 19 and even back then I felt like a complete failure.
Well now I'm 23 and I'm a partial failure because yeah I'm a worthless suicidal neet but hey i had sex with a lady a bunch of time and I can reminisce about those intimate moments and feel malinconic for what I had in those few times her and I had.

Telling people "lmao just not care about it lol" won't solve anything, it's just too strong of a drive to ignore.
Although I wholly agree that women can't make your shit life better. You need a stable life if you want a stable and caring relationship, life-solving mommy GFs don't exist.
Also OP and and the rest might not realize it but even if they got a GF their shitty life would translate into some shitty attitudes bound to ruin the relationship

>>16842974
I don't know how it works and I have no scientific evidence for this but the best way to attract women is to not think about women ever. Completely clear tfw no gf from your mind and you'll start attracting women.

>>16842994
>>16842974
Yeah if you're tall, social, around women a lot, well off, good looking and independent women tend to like you.
If you're an ugly neet with self esteem problems that lives with their parents and can't talk to people then good fucking luck.

>>16842987
I think those memories are worthless because even if you love that woman its not much unless shes the mother of your children but fair enough I guess. I do agree that the urge is a challenge that’s difficult to overcome, personally its really not all that prevalent for me and outside of shitposts I never felt the need to feel like “tfw no gf”, but maybe my mindset is different, I dont know. However today especially with coomer shit literally everywhere you go ill admit its hard for people to ignore, my main issue that we both agree on at least is just that these guys shouldn’t be obsessing over it, its annoying and like you said even if they got a relationship it would crumble because of their attitudes

>>16843018
What if you're tall and okay looking but have self-esteem problems and 'tism?

>>16843038
Reading more esoteric material on the nature of sex might do you well in overcoming your systematizing.

>>16842681
>having sex with women is actually gay

>>16843018
Stop watching media, stop believing what you see on screens. Even if you’re butt fucking ugly if you’re a competent male there’s a large majority of women who dont care and you know this is true because you hear about this shit all the time, if you’re honestly that bad go workout (which you should be doing anyway). The dumb, vapid cunts who have blown out pussies probably only care about chad, regular ones date whoever acts like a fucking man,isn’t moping all the time, has a job, a nice house, and not a total idiot.

>>16843046
idk I'm just misanthropic and don't like being around other people. I don't think that's curable.

>>16843052
For me not living with parents before 30 seems impossible

>>16843059
It’s really not if that’s a core axiom. But if you still want to abuse the sexual benefits of intercourse then it doesn’t hurt to understand the natures and probably studying doxography & sophism so you can mentally outbox which hoe you like.

>>16843052
>regular ones date whoever acts like a fucking man,isn’t moping all the time, has a job, a nice house, and not a total idiot.

>Guys I'm not well adjusted and I'm lonely :(((
>Stop being lonely! don't you know that regular women love well adjusted men!?

i never understood why you guys were like this
you'd think one of the more educated boards wouldn't get fucking sidelined by basic bitch demoralization propaganda or "need help" to try and rationalize it away but here we are again

>>16843079
>the more educated boards
>the more
>more
Kek, sure we are, retard

>>16842987
I think it depends on when. Back in high school and sometimes in college for me a gf would have absolutely solved all my problems and made life do a complete 180. Especially in high school though for sure.
After that though, well I can't say for how I'd feel about it of my life didn't take a 1 million mile nosedive after graduating, I think I would still care more than anything if everything else was going okay.

Anyway the point I was really trying to get at is that I find it bad when people try to speak for what someones else's idea of a successful and fulfilled life will be. Just because you dont value a gf that much doesn't mean someone else can't.

>>16843067
>mentally outbox which hoe you like
I like this.

>>16843093
maybe you'd get some pussy if you weren't a bitch on wheels yourself i don't know little buddy

>>16840953
>why do people hate virgins so much
For a man to be a virgin above a certain age is usually a sign of either weakness or a conflicting worldview, or both. People naturally dislike both weakness in others (because it might spread to them) and people who think differently from them.
>incels
This is a bit of a different thing and the hatred is a tad more complex. Incels are at the bottom of the social ladder so they serve as a useful punching bag for people who are subconsciously afraid they themselves might slip to the bottom if they aren't careful.
This explains why the most successful people don't spend their time hating on "incels" or any group really. They're already at the top, so they don't need to exert energy reinforcing the bad position of those lower than them to feel secure.
In addition to this, the losers of a system are more inclined to support extremist positions against said system. For those who feel they benefit from the existence of that system, or fear the transition to a new one, the desire to keep the social capital of the losers low is high.
Again this is all subconscious, but some of the legitimate reasons. Hate is always strategic.

>>16843127
>This explains why the most successful people don't spend their time hating on "incels" or any group really
This is incredibly true. Pic is the r/inceltears meetup. The people who like to bash incels are basically the dregs themselves.

>>16842987
It's not sex that you need but validation and feeling of achievement. Once I started getting validation from women I stopped caring about sex at all. Take the narcissus pill.

>>16843076
Didnt say that, said guys who mope all the time. I berate these guys because people who post shit like this let it get to their heads and need someone to smack sense into them. You can be lonely, I just had a cigarette break and after thinking about it I’d like a gf right now too I wont lie. However Im not going to lose my mind over it, maybe try asking some girls out for a bit and if nothing happens then nothing happens, tough luck. Just stop making a big deal over it thats what im trying to get across here.
>>16843065
I dont blame you honestly especially if you’re in europe its not easy I know. I have a portugese friend whos the definition of neet but I dont give him shit for it because I know its not something that happens overnight or something that can happen period. Theres no denying that girls like guys who somewhat have something going on and be independent, its how they’re wired and a guy having a nice pad is just a really good start. Im not buying a house myself because of my goals I have in the future, so Ill do things that are more practical like working out and having stable income to buy shit I want/need.

>>16843325
kek

>>16843325
Why would that sub plan a meetup

>>16843127
>>16843325
This, but to and extent. There is also a certain kind of woman that has a fascination with male loserdom. I had multiple normie women spontaneously bring up Incels as far back as 2016 and mention that they had become obsessed with lurking incel type forums after the Isla Vista shooting. These were not inceltears members, some of them were cautiously sympathetic, but at the same time treated it as sort of Zoo that they could gawk at.

They were not worried about losing their social status, they were not trying to confront the Incels, they were simply fascinated with their world. I suspect it comes from an impulse similar to the one that makes women obsesses over serial killers, and that the hysteria over incels had actually created a mystique of danger that some women found somewhat compelling.

>>16840269
You’re way too young to give up you loser
IGNORE WOMEN UNTIL YOU’RE WORTHWHILE GOOGLE “ANISOGAMY” HIT THE GYM MAKE MONEY AND JOIN THE ROWING TEAM

>>16843325
Wrong, this is not inceltears. This is a bunch of speedrunners who got together at a GDQ, forget which. Either way, definitely autistic losers

>>16841286
In what sense anon? You're saying I need to be beholden to a roastie to become 'normal' like you? Elaborate

>>16842987
You're so pathetic and sad it's unreal, you got caught in society's game hook, line and sinker

>>16840269
You don't have to be good looking or be in a relationship to feel true happiness OP

>>16842459
>Must be willing to abstain from sex for 48 hours
Heh, guess that's a pass from me then.

>>16840269
On the Shortness of Life, Seneca
~~~>Next?

>>16843325
Not surprised, anyone who punches down on a group that's already so hated they're easy pickings is likely either a loser themselves or just a slight notch above loser.

>>16843325
>Pic is the r/inceltears meetup.
You trannies will try literally anything to spite men who haven't cut their dicks off yet.

>>16840269
Love is real, you can experience it.

>>16840953
Because they're not normal and it's their fault.
>B-BUT I'M UGLY
Who cares.

>>16840493
based

>>16840269
Book that will cure you?
I'm a fan of Neurolinguistic Programming by Neil Shah. My favourite self help book. It focuses on altering your mindset to improve communication, increase your happiness and more effectively achieve goals.
I was 23 when I read it, I wish I had read it when I was 20.
I read it in two short sittings but it takes a few months of practice to apply it.

If you want something more specific to women, then The Book of Pook.
I know people will call this cringe because it's a collection of posts from a PUA forum but it's really on the same low quality as all books on this topic.
The next most similar book would be Models by Mark Manson.

i hate incels because they're constantly shitting up my boards with their pathetic bitching while never actually try to improve their condition
simple as

>>16840269
The Great Gatsby's an amazing book. And yeah, books are a nice distraction from your suffering.
>t. Lost virginity at almost 21, read books like crazy to take my mind off things

>>16844108
So mass shootings are basically a good evolutionary strategy for incels as a group?

>>16841496
I've heard this cope so many times.

>>16840269
>20 years old
>thinks he's suffering
I'm 25 kiddo

>>16843052
But what you're saying is exactly what we're told in media.

>>16845687
Try 28. You're age is the minimum age where i think it's okay to explain though I'd say. OP is just a huge fucking faggot.

>>16842310
Actually society just ignores you and at worst pities you as a non compliant man. MGTOWS are just unbearable people and I hate them myself as a virgin because they are passive aggressive incels.

>>16845771
It won't be a problem even at 28. I've made it through the valley of youth. My green leaves have turned yellow and will become food for new green leaves.
There's no point in having any relationship with a female or have any sex now. The right time was a decade ago. The deprivation has changed me permanently. Stay strong fellow cels. We denied ourselves a basic function. We've ascended.

Starving sex-having Ukrainians still suffer more than we do. Check your privileges faggots. We have great lives comparatively. It could be a lot worse.

>>16845824
I don't trust this narrative at all. Sounds real sad to me if anything. I'm not saying I will ever have sex, but I would never deny it. Till then I'll be doing whatever I like as not having any relationship responsibility has to be good for something.

>>16845819
>and at worst pities you
SJWs actually cheer that white males are killing themselves and get thousands of approval points vs. the nothing that everyone pointing out the male suicide crisis gets

>>16845838
You should not read anime posts

>>16842987
>tfw this suicidal NEET will always be better than me
>even though I have a job and a degree and I've never been suicidal
>even though I have a social circle
>I'm a virgin and he isn't so he's better

>>16845835
>mfw I am a non-starving and somewhat satisfied with my fin. situation Ukrainian virgin turning 22 soon

>>16845838
Having sex at an old age would only bring new problems and issues that wouldn't have surfaced otherwise.

>>16845857
I only mentioned Ukraine because its the worst white country on earth but now ill have to mention Haiti now

>>16844162
you're right, this was the r/inceltears meetup.

What's the most /lit/ way of becoming an hero?

Asking for a friend.

>>16845843
SJWs aren't people, I don't consider them humans. Really, leave the Internet for a day and go outside. People really aren't your internet cliche type of SJWs. Those are just a pathetic very loud minority on the internet that should rather off themselves.

>>16845888
starvation. not only you die, your will dies too, so you won't end up reincarnated.

>>16845849
>>16845859
Yeah this guy is obviously trolling. What a waste of time and space.

>>16845893
SJWs are just the outspoken vanguard of modern values. People do think the same things, they just avoid saying them. I have heard completely normal people say "jobless people should be killed"

>>16845888
double suicide with a girl, see Dazai. Gunshot is good, too. I like how Weininger an heroed himself in the same room Beethoven died, but he died slowly in sufferings as he shot his heart, not head.

>>16840269
Overpopulation created this feeling, and you all know it

>>16840979
I think this is ultimately true for sex as it is for working and everything else. Based anon.

>>16845917
All my friends say that SJWs are filth, barely above fascists. Because basically they are fascists. Nobody I know truly believes their bullshit. Not even my sister.

Only meditation can solve this OP. fuck those damn books

>>16840953
Honestly speaking, if prostitution was legal and socially acceptable in most countries, this would be much less of a problem

>>16841286
>most important years of your development
Oldfag here: don't believe this. My best years, and the years I actually developed as a human being and started feeling like I don't despise myself, which somehow resulted in me finally having sex, were past 25.

>>16840953
Hate is convenient. Also, this is the internet. Everybody likes hating anything they don't like here and also say it. Real life is much more nuanced.

>>16840953
This comes as a surprise to me. I think it's obvious to everyone who knows me that I haven't had sex, but nobody has ever expressed dissaproval. They have been "concerned suggestions" that I should probably devote some time to dating, which I shut down by saying I don't have time. You guys are being virgins in the wrong way lol

>>16840493
>decide to listen to "just go outside" posters
>start by volunteering to work in hospital (its rona time and im med student)
>meet 150 kg nursoid my age with disgusting character
>she still has decent looking husband
>decide to stop going outside for a month after that
The modern social dynamic is just unreal. The game was rigged from the start

>>16845956
This. Remember that as women are very happy when young, but as they age they tend to become unhappier. Men are the opposite. We tend to be unhappy in our early years, but as we age life just keeps getting better. Or at least the way we see it does.

>>16846064
There is nothing "outside" except a fucking dystopia. The "go outside" posters are absolutely delusional. You can at least have a semblance of decency inside your house, but there is hardly anything gained (except school, work, groceries, etc) by wasting your time with degenerate retards.

>>16846072
>We tend to be unhappy in our early years, but as we age life just keeps getting better.
SO TRUE
SWEET RELEASE OF DEATH

>>16840269
fornication wont solve your issues
and no

>>16840474
>you weren't born to have sex or have a woman
Technically you're wrong. Having sex and reproducing is an innate biological imperative unless your biology has malfunctioned.

>"listen brah in order to get gf you have to stop caring about getting a gf"
Why do normalfags say this shit. Even if it were true, which it blatantly isn't, you end up with a gf who you are totally indifferent towards.

>>16845851
nigger I never implied having had sex makes me better than anyone, I said it's my only achievement.
Go fuck yourself

>>16844331
I'm a neet that never leaves his house how am "I caught in society's game" at all?

>>16841179
>tfw 22 year old virgin

>>16846250
You're more alpha than I will ever be because you had sex and I have is my name on publications.

>>16846297
Your sarcasm won't change the fact that sex is an important milestone for every man.

>>16846169
Say that to the quadrillions that died at the evolutionary dead end so their competitors could replace them.

>>16846307
I'm not sarcastic. I'm just stating the incredulous. I can't believe people at the bottom of society are more important than I am. I'm having trouble believing it. And I don't know how to cope.

>>16846321
If you're well adjusted, not retarded, with a social circle and still failed to have sex something wrong with you.
I don't know if it's a physical defect or you're super autistic, but if you haven't been raised by monks then you should at least have a little urge to reproduce.
>What about all those people who died childless?
They tried at least. Living beings, by necessity, evolve a desire to reproduce, if you lack that desire then you're abnormal.
I don't mean it in a "ewww weirdo kill yourself" sort of way, you might be able to live a perfectly normal and fulfilling life, but don't tell people that they can just will their strongest biological and cultural urge away.

>>16845857
I am 22 poor ukranian non-virgin, lmao

>>16846429
Whats your point? Are you saying its a good thing that the earth is going to be populated by failures and criminals because they reproduce and have sex while intellectuals don't?

>>16846433
>the virgin chad
>>16845857
>the chad virgin

>>16846468
>Everyone who has had sex is a criminal or a failure
>smart intellectuals like me are all virgins that don't reproduce!
come on now

>>16841179
My friends are also in their 20s and 95% of them dont have gfs. This is incel century boomer. Something like 50% of japs between 18 and 40 are virgins and we will hit those levels soon enough

>>16840953
Scapegoating those on the outside of contemporary power structures is a staple of social cohesion

>>16846558
what could virgins possibly be scapegoated for?

>>16846489
This but unironically. The West has started the largest dysgenic programm in the history of mankind by subsidizing failures, single moms and niggers for having children. Its the reason IQ is dropping trough the floor (in combination with mass immigration of course). People who couldnt support themselves let alone their children are now saved and taken care of of by Daddy State. Its all so tiresome

The dont have gfs but they have sex

>>16840971
>no real concrete reason for racism

>FBI crime statistics intensifies

>>16846637
Have you considered that you're an incel because normal women can sense that you're just waiting to start the holocaust and they'd rather not hang out with a latent criminal?

>>16846554
The dont have gfs but they have sex

>>16846668
Only 80% of them

>>16840269
no more mr nice guy (book)

>>16846654
Not him but hating negroes is normal in every part of the world except American and the Uk.
Women in the rest of the world are as "racist" as your average man, in general. At least they are around where I live: from moms to bitter old ladies to girls my age everyone hates niggers.
>Not racist just don't loik 'em

>>16846816
Only 30% of people under 34 voted for trump.
You sorely underestimate how many young people are latent criminals.
Racism will die with your coveted boomers.

Now if you know whats good for you, sort yourself out and you might not make alarm bells go off in heads of pretty women.

>>16846899
Huh its almost like people can only vote trump if they live in america. Nice reading comprehension retard. Also "racism" is here to stay because in-group preference is genetic

>>16846899
The more you push niggers into every day life the more people will interact with them and the more they'll come to hate them.
Racism is a natural reaction to spending time with them. I challenge you to spend a month in a soup kitchen or retail job in a nigger heavy area and not come out a Poltard.

>>16846919
America is the only country where 20% of the population (stupid rural boomers without a degree) get to vote in their hitler to run the country. European democracies don't allow that shit because there's more than 1 party. So nothing happened after trump even though they tried.

>>16846934
Blah blah blah we won you lost. Now be a salty dangerous incel if that's what you want. Nobody will love you if you do that

>>16846949
>Blah blah blah we won you lost
I'm not an American.

>>16846962
I don't owe you sex ok?

>>16846993
Yes you do, now bend over I'm going to eat your asshole

>>16846949
Your problem is that you’re holding your ground and not giving any arguments against racism. You sound like a brainwashed “racism is bad hurr” type person. I’m white and have been the minority in my area for a very long time and while the truth is that I get along well with black people (because I understand and have been immersed in black culture) they are among the lowest ranks of society and in general lie and steal their way into every pussy, job position, and positive perception about them. Now yes, white people do this too, but not to the extent. This is partially a problem with American culture for making this happen, and mostly due to the disposition of black people through their cultural socialization. It’s too easy for blacks to get pussy due to under selective women that pander to BLM (because of a savior complex) or thots. This cements and reinforces the very behavior which causes racism in those who interact with black.

Now, that aside, there are a huge amount of black people that are upright, have great characters, and are intelligent. I have met a couple and what’s common with them is that they have elevated themselves above a problematic culture through substantial will and good parenting, got married, and focused on raising their kids.

The excuse of “hurr durr there’s systemic racism” is retarded. Under our system of social organization, if you act like a retard and try to game a system, and a huge number of people realize that this is the case with blacks, then of course job interviewers, police, and any other gatekeeper will look twice at blacks. Now fuck off retard, you don’t even know the cause you’re fighting for.

>>16845680
What's the cope?

>>16845824
That show would have been good if the loli didn't turn out to be a fucking tranny.
Not eve trap, canonically transgender. The western influence has ruined a lot of anime.

>>16847053
Whether racism is justified or not is irrelevant because scientists just fire whoever goes against consensus. Because it carries no dignity.

The cause I'm fighting for is the winning side. Not a childish rebellion.

>>16847118
You can't run from the truth forever

>>16847134
I don't have to. I'm don't have any kids because I'm an incel. My world ends with me.

>>16840269
no but its fun to read

>>16847118
>childish rebellion
I don’t exactly fall under that criteria and neither do millions (who work good jobs with responsibilities) of other people who are savvy to the tactics of blacks.

Just because there’s a general understanding that blacks do stupid shit as a general rule doesn’t mean every person who has come to this understanding has a white hood and an AK for a race-related rebellion.

The cause you’re fighting for is a small on in the grand scheme of American growth. It’s all part of an integration effort, but you know the kicker? Blacks that have tried to game the system will continue to game the system. Only their kids or grandchildren will fall in line and maybe play by moral and ethical rules. These movements are constructed for this purpose. The black people that run volunteer events, are engaged in social growth, and exert themselves for the betterment of their communities are already on the right track. Usually the motivations are nebulous in their motivation, but the actions that precipitate are good, and much much more of that is needed before the instances and intensity of racism experienced by the well-adjusted member of society decreases. Well-adjusted members of society offer opportunity to indigent blacks if they see merit and moral character. It’s rare. The rest of the time, I’d wager that these people have black friends to keep up appearances. Usually the people who struggle to accept these facts are the ones who don’t have the courage to see racism for what it is and therefore encounter difficulty. For example, the white girl who allows herself to get trained by blacks (poor selectivity) and then consequently ends up with a man way below her potential or with a black that wears her out emotionally and physically, leaves her and her child, and repeats the cycle.

Men usually fair far better in naivety when it comes to racism. Usually white men only get manipulated, physically beaten, or have their woman manipulated and taken. This is preferable because it serves as a lesson to learn from.

You clearly don’t know people in either category, or if you do, you simply don’t care and nevertheless trumpet a misinformed ideology.

>>16841613
It's possible
>>16841654
Glad someone thinks so
>>16841947
Turning off the router every now and then helps too

>>16840269
The extent to which people are shaming you here is not surprising, given the amount of pseuds who feel the right to judge others, even though they are far from perfect themselves to tell someone else what to do. Along with this, they have no idea about the extent of pain that an individual like OP has suffered. I guess in their minds they believe that because everyone suffers, it is now seen that being a robot who disregards his feelings and the need to be understood is the right way to live?

The main cause for suffering to begin with is neglect and treating someone like an object. The solution won’t come from further treating someone like an object.

I don’t intend to tell you what to do OP. You have had a hard life and I’m sure had good intentions for yourself and your loved ones but was ultimately let down.

What helped me in my journey is to study about trauma and how it affected me and then delve further into psychology and spiritual practices. None of that “man up faggot” “sleep 8hr, dont jack off and shake hands with eye contact” bullshit ever helped me. Those are the byproducts of attaining a peaceful mind. Life is not a rulebook to follow or to impose rulebooks on others. Life is ultimately about love and living each breathing moment in the present, immersed in the reality.

You could check out the following books if you feel they are relevant to you, for they helped me a lot. Books can indeed show you the answer, they are not always just entertainment. Please feel free to disregard them if you don’t agree.

1)Complex PTSD - Pete Walker (Talks about recovering from childhood trauma)
2)The Divided Self - RD Laing (Look up his documentary “did you used to be RD Laing?” on YouTube)
3)Zen Mind, Beginners Mind - Shunryu Suzuki

Trust in yourself that you will see the light. I pray that you will overcome your challenges and attain the peace of mind that you seek. Take care of yourself man, you’ll be alright :)

I never cared much about sex. It always seemed animalistic and banal. Now I am 32 and even the biological desire is pretty low, now even the very few posituve things that I associated with sex feel like an illusion.

>>16846321
>Say that to the quadrillions that died at the evolutionary dead end so their competitors could replace them.
Why would that change anything? They still had a biological imperative to do so. They just failed and/or their biology malfunctioned.

>>16841496
Based 3DPD destroyer

>>16841496
>even my hentai collection is 90% love sex.
your hentai collection is 100% pornography

>>16840269
short answer? no
long answer?
look anon it might not score you girls and it might not make you an amaizing chad but reading will never actually harm you if you have a functional brain hable to criticize stuff just remmember that mind alone is worth shit and you should keep your body healthy and strong too thats it king
>read
>lift
>better yourself
you might not win anything you might win everything but the reality is that these things will never harm you if you do them correctly and you only have to gain from them

>>16841870
Yeah Im not gonna take advice from faggot who fucked tranny, sorry

>>16840269
I'll just say that losing my virginity didn't solve my problems. I'm not going to pretend to have any answers but I know for sure sex in and of itself isn't going to solve anything

>>16841023
kekd

>>16840269
you're young. and feel this pain acutely.

you'll get recommended books, self help and practical advice such as (get hobbies, become an interesting person by working on yourself and then meet people depending on said interests so that you can be socialized in the sort of normie groups that do get laid) etc and it may or may not work. either way you'll grow personally due to this and it'll be more attractive than now.

however it's possible that you get overlooked anyway, if you're relatively physically unattractive compared to the pool of guys you're competing with (the whole city thanks to tinder now). in that case your acute pain and yearning will continue until you find that you can exist and go on without companionship and monthly sex anyway. it won't be great. you'll just become more cynical and accepting of this reality - like vast populations of men do. that's just life for men. asceticism is even harder. you'll likely end up finding it easier to cultivate other pleasures for distraction/release instead of denying all of them.


the best thing you can do is use the extra time afforded to you due to lack of companionship to make yourself more likable to yourself (and by extension others). pick an instrument, a gym membership, spend more time with normies, observe how they charm each other. that's the best you can do.

>>16847118
Holy shit you're fucking retarded. So you admit you mindlessly parrot the consensus regardless of all evidence and logic? People like you belong in a camp.

>>16840654
Judging by this post. Read the greeks. Read the existentialists.

>>16847994
Yes, and? The stories and art of some are better (or at least comfier) than many of the non-h manga coming out nowadays.

>>16841268
honestly everything in life is a skill you can train. you aren't every going to happenstance into being an expert just like you are going to happenstance into having a large circle of friends. you just have to work on it and envision it and achieve small steps toward it

>>16848284

the hardest thing for me to accept was that i have extremely high expectations for friends. i never thought that i did because when i list what i want it seems like an extremely low bar: they need to have some goal they are working toward so our conversations aren't just television and they need to be kind and lift people up. basically, they need to have anything going on in their life and also be nice to people that don't give them free shit.
it's insanely hard to meet such people.
i really fell for that "if you find everyone around you an asshole then perhaps you are the asshole" bullshit. no one is perfect and i practice forgiveness on a daily basis, but i don't really want to hang around people i have to forgive daily if they are transgressing daily.
once i realized my expectations were ridiculously high i realized that I would just have to try harder and put more effort into the people i did feel like were worth time to put effort into. this is because the good friends i do have i now realized were extremely rare

>>16840493
>get 8 hours of sleep
Fuck off.

>>16848413
Umm, are they brother and sister? And did they have sex just now? That's all kinds of wrong...

>>16848586
Love is love

>>16848485
The social sphere is one of few domains where skills aren't needed. All it requires is unlearning hangups and neuroses. Ultimately, this is what 'natural charisma' is. I can only speak for myself but I was a class clown and somewhat popular in elementary school, it's only when self-consciousness crept in around 5th-6th grade that I lost my edge and became a loser

>>16848596
But she can't consent. And if they had babies they would be potato babies.

>>16848610
>All it requires is unlearning hangups and neuroses.
I would argue that this is a skill, but I agree with your general sentiment. Until I became self-aware to a fault I was also the funny kid in class.

>>16848613
Then I guess it's a good thing they aren't real
I hope she sprouts cute cat ears too

Every man in this thread needs to read "works and Days" by Hesiod

Ignore the agricultural stuff and focus on the family planning and moral stuff and I think you will be rewarded

>>16840269

25 years old here. Not kissless, but still virgin, though I got really close once. Most of the opportunities I've had were not taken advantage of by me since I'm anxious and I've been extremely bitter and depressed for years on end.

Learn to not care. I don't know how else to put it, but this is all you need to do. For me one way to do it is to rationalize how stupid it is to laugh that someone's a virgin. If you wanted yo could pay some hooker and have sex. If you wanted you could hook with that chewbacca or jabba the hut girl no one wants and have sex, but that wouldn't increase your value as a person or "cure" anything.

Try to be around other people with common interests, be it video games, books, sports (this is actually a great way to meet people, but I don't practice it myself. Yet at least). Interact with people online even if you don't know them personally, but try to not be weird about it, just try to be witty / funny, whatever way you want it to be. You don't necessarily need to form a bond with everyone.

As for depression and fullfillment in general, I don't know if anyone pointed it out yet, I cba reading everything here, but most people (keyword: MOST, as it's not the only cause of course) suffer from depression because they LACK PURPOSE. That's it. They lack purpose.

Why do you think people weren't so depressed in the past ? They always had their purpose. X is born in this caste / level of society in which he has his role very well defined and he knows what his life is meant to be (or his "destiny"). But nowadays people are free to do whatever they please, they're not as constrained in the past, they live in a world where we promote "meritocracy" (it's arguable here, but let's admit it cause it's a whole complex topic), meaning that everyone is able to change his situation if he puts in the effort.

Now, since everyone's burden is shifted from "outside" (destiny = I was born this way, I'm MEANT to work as a carpenter, slave, soldier, etc) to "inside" (what I am depends only on my powers and will to become something). This burden shift makes people crack and fall into depression. They no longer have a "cope" mechanism (it''s destiny / it's God's will / it's whatever you want it to be), so now the FAULT lies MOSTLY with themselves. Since you didn't achieve what you wanted, it means you didn't do enough. Right ?

But this isn't right. People are dragged down by a lot of factors in their life, starting from genetic lottery, to the family / country you're born in, to the people you meet and implicitly the opportunities you have. These factors still exist as in the past. If you were born a peasant, you would stay a peasant, same for nobles or in general for all people born into a social strata (see indian castes). They could not transcend them, it would be very unlikely. And so it is nowdays, but now there's higher chances, obviously, more access to resources and people are way more open minded.

>>16848756

2/2 But the point is that depression nowadays is just an effect of this burden people have to carry around (that they're the masters of their destiny so they HAVE to do something, otherwise it's all their fault).

Now, I made this point because you need to understand that the "pressure" to reach a certain point is most probably not your life goal. Most goals people have nowadays are heavily influenced by capitalism and globalization. The more stuff you have, the better off you are (this is definitely not true, maybe you'd be happy temporarily, but you'd get used to it and past a certain point having stuff doesn't matter anymore).

Anyway, you need to be self-sufficient so you won't feel lonely. Loneliness isn't necessarily bad. It's normal to feel lonely, but not stay like that forever and fester into depression and bitterness.

So... more related to your question about books helping you. Can it help ? Yes. But it's up to you too partly. Because no matter how many books you read, if you live with a certain mindset, the books will never help you. You first have to accept the "hand you're dealt" in life. Once you gain acceptance (but truly gain acceptance, not just pretend), you will make peace with yourself. When you find that peace you will not care anymore. Some people will have it better, some will always have it worse. But you're probably in a position where you can do something to better yourself.

And to tie it to the previous post, we return to meaning. If you don't have MEANING (or a goal) in life, you will feel aimless, you will drift away in all directions and stay in a state of complete misery hoping something will change.

So what goal should you have ? That's up to everyone to decide of course, but I think one COMMON goal every single person should have is to always try to become better as a person. Sure, this might sound like regurgitated stuff you hear in motivational speeches (I fucking hate motivational speeches) and I everything I tell you is not some shit I've read (though I have a habit of reading books, yes), but these are things that I've pondered about years and took me a lot of time to accept and integrate to a point where I could find peace.

If you always focus on yourself and getting better, you can only gain. Of course, for this you need a bit of directioning too. Gaining knowledge or learning in general can be one such goal to which reading books contributes.

I personally read to learn more. I've followed a college in philosophy. I've got a master's degree actually, but the degree doesn't get me a job in the "domain". But philosophy in general can help you deal with depression and anxiety by shifting your world view. Because depression and anxiety is about YOUR perspective about things most of the time.

I started reading more since the quarantine and I'm trying to learn more as a general rule of thumb in areas that interest me (philosophy, classics, psychology are my main focuses).

>>16848870

3/3 Additionally, I've started learning French. It's just a personal goal. I've got to a point where I can probably hold a basic conversation, so I call that a win. Will it ever help me get a better job ? Maybe. Who knows. You never know when an opportunity arises. But I don't learn it towards that end. I learn it for myself.

But anyway, back to loneliness and relationships. Once you have meaning and a goal to your life, you don't care about loneliness anymore. Maybe at some point you can even come to realise that a relationship can be way more bothersome than you think. You have to invest time, emotions, even money. It's a commitment (I'm assumign you want a long-term relationship since you look for relationships as a fix to loneliness).

So, getting rid of bitterness and loneliness can be done by finding meaning in life that isn't TIED to finding a relaionship. You can also get rid of it by just becoming friends with other people too.

Reading can help you find friends. The more knowledgeable you are, the more things you have to talk about in a genuine way, not because you learn them mechanically before going out then reciting what you've learned. You have to assimilate what you read, think about it and get ideas that you can hold in your own words.

Doing a sport or exercising can help you too. You'll get in a better shape (which is a huge confidence booster, obviously), you'll feel better too. You can probably meet other people too.

And there are lot of hobbies that you can do man. You can even volunteer to help shelter animals if you love it. if you're in college, you can even join student associations and do activities, go out together, etc.

Anyway, I hope I helped you a bit. Once you learn not to care (this was the first advice I've given you above), it's easier to do everything else. If you don't care, you don't get intimidated by how pretty a girl is (I never do, though I might have some emotions at best), you don't care what others think of you (hur durr virgin, haha loser. Once someone uses sex as a METRIC to measure a person's worth, that person's existence is not even worth acknowledging). Same with women. If a woman cares about you being kissless or a virgin, then she's pretty shallow and you should stop thinking that she exists.

I've had a case where I was talking to a girl face to face at a highschool's friend's party some years ago and at some point she said she'd never have a BF that earns less money than her. To me that was a dealbreaker. Once she said such a stupidity I didn't even pay attention to her anymore, just held the conversation with monosilabic answers. A few years later she's with some guy from UK (cause anything in UK pays more than in eastern europe) that works some crappy job, but of course earns more. The guy looks average or under average.

So yeah. that's what I've had to tell you. Take it with a grain of salt of course, everyone's path is different my dude. Do what fits best for you.

>>16848613
>But she can't consent. And if they had babies they would be potato babies.

>>16843052
>just build a nice house in your early 20s
Thanks boomer

>>16846654
True. Women prefer real criminals.
Time for incels to genocide you.

>>16846654
Women have next to no ability to detect "good men". Just ask all the Anons who were abused by stepfathers or their mom's "friends".

>>16840758
Watched half of it, will finish later. I'm not the kind of person in the picture, although I did feel like this for a brief period of my life after I dropped out. I had decided to fight this by following my calling. The thing is, the world doesn't seem to want me for my calling, the world wants me to do something else. And I can't accept this role I know I am supposed to fill.

>>16849783
>>16840758
The thread will probably die but this man was me when I fell depressed. I felt like this. But when I snapped out and came back to reality I was irremediably tainted. I could never get fully submerged as I used to, and this is still what is causing me problems. I have to catch very fish in deeper waters but I can only get wet to the knees.

>>16841268
Based. The real answer is there's no hope no matter what you do

>>16841496
>reaction when I've told girls I'm a kissless virgin.
you can't be this retarded, can you? is that possible?

>>16850512
If they ask I'm going to give them an honest response. I'm not going to start a relationship, of any kind, with lies.
It's not like I say "kissless virgin", it's usually just "oh, I'm a virgin"
I really like myself, so I'm honest.