/lit/ - Literature

okay now explain why this is bad

>>16836622
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Agreed

>>16836629
It means that you have an NPC tier brain, but you're unfortunate enough to be aware of it.

>>16836630
Nobody posting on this board is unique, reading books is proof that you are too simple minded to have your own opinions on anything without someone telling you first

>>16836622
Take the platonist pill and accept that you don't "come up" with ideas but you discover them so it's ok and natural that others discovered them before you.

>>16836644
I dont read books. Im past that. I listen to books.

AUDIOBOOK CHADS


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>>16836652
That's interesting, so you're saying that an idea is almost like a material object(not literally) in our minds?

>>16836622
This post was not an original thought.

>>16836622
And where have you read that?Our are you just shitting with your mouth?

If you invent any bullshit with no correlation to reality you are just a fucking skitzo, not a fucking free thinker.

>>16836654
Based. Books are for retards, I create scenarios in my head

>>16836667
It isn't
>>16836670
A skitzo is probably more of a free thinker than a normal person tbf

>>16836666
All ideas already exists in the abstract world. In the same "place" where pure mathematics, philosophy and the soul exist. In the same way that we discover laws of mathematics (the abstract) or physic (the material), we discover ideas. It is thus totally normal that someone else discovered it before you.

>>16836684
Not OP, but I struggle with the same thoughts as him. That's a pretty comforting argument. Seems to be almost an argument for a spiritual/abstract realm existing that we aren't able to see.

>>16836622
>>16836622
0% of people are capable of coming up with original ideas. Nobody sits down and pulls a concept fully formed from the depths of their head. That's not how brains work.
Every single idea ever had was the culmination of the information that a person has gained over a lifetime, not a spontaneous result of a bolt of magic inspiration.
That's the difference between the ancient philosophers and you. They lived a life, took what they witnessed during it, and developed that into coherent frameworks of thought. They learned and developed concepts through experience or by interacting with other thinkers, whether through debate or by studying at their feet. Meanwhile, you live in your basement and the sum totality of your creativity is smugposting on an internet forum about how you're one of the lucky few capable of "original" thought.
Well, genius? What's your original thought? What's something only you know, divorced completely from all other human concepts that might have tainted your genius idea with "unoriginality"?

>>16836696
>Meanwhile, you live in your basement and the sum totality of your creativity is smugposting on an internet forum about how you're one of the lucky few capable of "original" thought.
I am not capable of original thought.

>>16836699
Well, that's one way to answer I guess.
Nice dubs.

>>16836622
I have an entertaining bit I do where I ask my friends to describe a never before imagined by any human being and completely original thought in 10 words or less.
Most of the time this is answered in some description of an action or scenario, like "Tom and Jerry kiss and turn into clones of Putin" for example.

>>16836678
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge

Go fucking do a master at least fucktard, you sound like child. If what you state is true you surely are not in the 1%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>16836622
You should have started the thread saying something like "what is the deal with independent thoughts?" and make a Seinfeld-y version.
2/10 for the missed opportunity

>>16836693
Yes it is. I used to find the theory improbable, but the more I pondered on mathematics (a hobby of mine on which I have no real formation) and the more I read Plato's dialogues, the more I found the existence of an abstract world logically undeniable. And with an abstract world comes the universality of ideas (excuse my formulation btw, I still struggle with english). I highly recommand you both reading Plato and practicing mathematics.

>>16836693
>That's a pretty comforting argument. Seems to be almost an argument for a spiritual/abstract realm existing that we aren't able to see.
Not him, but that's exactly what it is.
Go read Plato's Republic
(I have to read it too).

>>16836699
>I am not capable of original thought.
>>16836703
He dodged this one, my man.
Hit him in the next one.

>>16836709
He never said he was in the 1%
>>16836699

>>16836622
Nothing is original, retard. The only origin is the Big Bang, and that's only because we don't know what came before. Everything is connected, everything is dependent and reactive. Any distinction between "original" and derivative thoughts is delusion, just like any distinction between what is and isn't natural.

>>16836696
I am leaving this thread, ignore those tards, they have no contact with academy, they don't know where their high-school text books where formulated, and where true insight come from.

>>16836707

Really amusing faggot, go ahead, describe a never before imagined by any human being and completely original thought in 10 words or less.
Let's see what you can come up with.

>>16836712
Thanks for the recommendation anon, I'm looking into it now
>>16836711
I'm too much of a brainlet for mathematics, but definitely going to read Plato

>>16836711
>the more I found the existence of an abstract world logically undeniable
Were the gnostics right?

>>16836709
>Go fucking do a master at least fucktard
As if getting a degree is the gate to knowledge...
There are so many dumb people who are postgraduate.

>>16836730
Communist toybox sexually assaults ethnic hallway, is frozen as reward.

>>16836732
We all take different paths to achieve a same end. If you find yourself struggling like myself with the forms and the abstract world, I suggested mathematics because they are the most tangible of the forms. Anyway, have a nice read anon.

>>16836730
I just did. What do you think are the likelihoods anybody has conceived the words "Tom and Jerry kiss and turn into clones of Putin" before this thread was created?

>>16836740
I consider myself as a learner of platonism, but not a gnostic. I don't think this answers your question but its the most honest answer I can give you.

>>16836741
There are, at least they know where knowledge and insight come from. You have no Idea how to formulate original thinking, and would never be able to defend you ideas in a public presentation, which is part of the ritual of having a PhD or Master degree. Having those things are just the tip of the ice berg of academic life, mostly people are unable to find a paid pos-doc because they are fuck ups who are unable to achieve meaningful things in their master and PhD.

This thread makes my brain hurt bros...

>>16836762
>There are, at least they know where knowledge and insight come from.
No, they don't. I know for a fact there are Law postgraduates that are objectively dumber and less well read THAN ME. And look guy, I'm really far from a genius.
If you wanna get a degree (maybe for status or better job perspectives) go there and take it. But don't come back here and pretend you're smarter only because of that.
The Academy if something (the way it stands now) has often contributed to, actually, plaster our thought.

I'm an original thinker myself. It all started with a simple epiphany "existence is a material idea of itself(the idea applies to itself)..."
I have uncovered profound spiritual truths, the secrets of righteousness(God's master plan), goodness(the path to divinity) and judgement(salvation).
Basically, mysticism and Christianity are the sacred truth. Moral idealism is entirely rational.
But outside of that strict framework, there is the common human element. Even very charitable Christians still own a T.V. and enjoy life. Sex is technically wicked despite only being mildly dangerous. We clamor to those with unjust might to defend us because the world is scary.

Anyway... there is definitely still room for original thoughts in the arts. There is a lot of untapped potential. There should be more symbolism, abstraction, and clearly defined themes/motifs.

>>16836741
You misunderstand him, he's imploring you to go fuck someone who is very skillful at a particular thing, not get a Master's degree.

>>16836792
Now that's an original thought ;)

>>16836790
Guys, I think William Blake found this thread.

>>16836752
That isn't remotely original faggot.

Times passes because the universe expands.

Would be something really original, if you had that idea before Einstein.

The metric for consciousness is the entropic state of your neurons connections.

Even questions are more original then that shit you said. Can we use DFT to speculate the probability of a soccer team winning?

You are a fucktard with no idea how knowledge is created, go dive deep in university if you want to know what it is like to work 12h a day, to get only bad feedback from retarded supervisors with no idea of what you are doing. You are kid and childish to think you can even grasp what an original thought is. I what makes me more angry is that I once was like you, I wish I could punch you in the face so you can realized now the dipshit you are. Go to university, it is mostly bullshit, but you will find true freethinker there, It isn't the diploma, but the environment and the people that surrounds you. You can go to university and not have single original idea if you just do what you are told to, but if you try hard you may one day be lucky enough to have time to try out your original idea with the free time you have not publishing papers to get you a higher prestige.

FUCK YOU ITS 5 AM

>>16836729
This is just vacuous and stupid.
We have created the concept of originality exactly because, like other 'delusions', it is useful and true to our experience.
Unfortunately, even within that context, people today are made to believe that it doesn't exist, perhaps because it helps them feel not quite as inferior to others.

>>16836806
>FUCK YOU ITS 5 AM
What am I doing with my life....

>>16836806
>FUCK YOU ITS 5 AM
Spotted the brazilian fag.

>>16836622
Feel ya. I recently realized that. It blew my mind in a bad way. There is no reason to try to explain things to people, they don't process information like that. It makes me really sad. Never felt more lonely I think.

>>16836847
>people are stupid
You only just realized that?
And don't worry, unless you're an actual genius, there'll be plenty of people to hang out with in your sector of the bell curve.

I imagine that even the most intelligent among us spend their lives coming up with only few novel, interesting thoughts. So if only 1% of us are original, less than 1% of the thoughts of original people are original. This is an unoriginal observation btw. Many scientists, artists and entrepreneurs say this.

>>16836858
Sadly I am a genius.

>>16836652
This. If you truly seek truth than you do not seek to create new ideas, simply to identify that which is.

>>16836709
Go find a master would be more wise. If that master is to be found in a university for you than that is the correct place for you.

>>16836622
While this can be viewed in a negative light, it can also be something interesting.

I, for one, find it really entertaining to find out that ideas I somehow believe were original were discussed 500+ years ago. It shows how cyclical and connected everything is and in another sense how fruitless the search for true intellectual novelty is.

>>16836729
This isn’t true, there were plenty of firsts after the Big Bang. It’s not like planets came out fully formed from the BB, so there would be a first planet. There was probably also no life (at least not in a form we would recognize) so there must also have been first life, could have been here on Earth or elsewhere.

I think people missed the point of original ideas. It isn't the fact that most ideas are not new, it is the fact that most people rather read books than think for themselves. They are not capable to think up something new on their own. They are not even able to take in information that doesn't fit with their current world view.

But most people here will probably not understand this since it doesn't fit their current world view.

>>16836877
Even if you view it this way, doesn't your process of 'creating' or 'discovering' an idea remain the same?

>>16836847
It's worse to be aware of this but know that you can't do it either

>>16836942
How do you know?

>>16836622
This isn't a particularly nuanced view of originality, never mind that it equivocates about the capability for weighing veracity, or weighing the vitality of one's own imagination according to the richness of the art, or the abundance of natural forms in a given setting, that it's responsive to. This is not to mention the eccentricities of affinity that operate at lateral filters, but aren't particularly good as measures of merit: There are plenty of ideas and inventions that are simply too trivial or niche to matter all that much, even to the few who've made their acquaintance. Likewise, most of us have certain preoccupations or highly specific images to which our minds recur out of all proportion to their use, simply because of the way mood and circumstance happened to align when we were young, and memories more readily annealed, especially in the deeper sites of it.

>>16836942
I guess that would be worse. Like knowing that one is just a robot programmed by ideology and delusions.

>>16836977
It's literally torture lmao

>>16836730
Niggers are violently tonguing your anus and fuck the jannies

>>16836638
You're saying the most NPC thing possible and you're probably unaware of it as well

>>16836622
test

>>16836904
Unoriginal thought

>>16837090
I am aware of it, that's why I'm complaining about it

>>16837100
Maybe it's the NPC kind of tragic, shallow awareness.

>>16836644
Nigga please. I read Wikipedia summaries.

>>16836622
This itself is an unoriginal idea. Big deal.

>>16836644
You really thought for a second people here actually read lmao

>>16836926
No. They are exact opposites. To create one must first decide to create. The truth exists, whether you decide to see it or not.

>>16836622
I think 1% is a very generous estimate.

>>16836904
I don’t think reading is the big issue to go up in arms against, but I do agree that people aren’t open minded enough to understand truth unless it conforms with something they already believe. That being said people can still learn to see truth and there are books that can teach them as well as experiences and people. I wouldn’t agree that people reading themselves stupid is that big a threat in this day and age. It beats coming on here in a lot of ways

What’s so special about original ideas?

>>16836622
Get over this thinking as quickly as possible. Realize that originality isn’t a real goal and move on. You could piece together some original idea and it would be complete crap or you could write a masterpiece that’s completely derivative. If you can’t find any goals seek out wisdom and strength. Both can be found wherever you look, if you are willing to find them.

>>16836622
coming up with original ideas =/ coming up with something original
never happened to you? thinking of something when you were a kid or when studying a topic and coming up with an "original" idea, to later find that someone already wrote it? despite someone already thinking that, you arrived at that conclusion by yourself, however basic that conclusion might be

>>16837302
Yeah that’s sweet when that happens. Makes you feel really smart

99.99999% of people are hylics who should be legally prevented from picking up a book.

Plato was a dumb retard dont listen to this guy

>>16836622

i know. thats one of the things i hate most about people

>seinberg picture
anyone posting that unfunny jew trash is a low IQ americuck (pleonasm) and their post can be safely disregarded

>>16836672
fuck creating scenarios in my head. i learn all my ideas and debate philosophy with the shadow people.

>>16836622
I fixed an industrial potato peelers with a bit of metal I found.
Worked for two years until a bushing went.
That's the only original idea i've ever had.

>>16836622
I'm one of them, in fact i take my opinions from /lit/

>>16837100
Change your life attitude then or you are going to die a pathetic beta faggot

>>16836622
This is not an original thought, either, has been posted dozens of times and has its basis in a meme from two years ago. You're regurgitating a meme.

>>16836622
Yep. But it’s validating when I have a thought I think is independent and research it only to find someone much smarter than myself has said the same thing.

>>16836622
>t. Too stupid to realize that each and every person's ideas are divergent by simple fact of their experiences being divergent

>>16837332
I believe schizophrenics should be subject to the same restrictions, but with the internet also removed from their trembling clutches

>>16836630
spbp

>>16836622
>Less than 1%
Correct. 0% of people can come up with original ideas.

>to have 4 controllers and party games ready for friends you don't have is like having a condom in your drawer
is this an original thought?

>>16836622
mofe like 0.0001%

>>16836622
my thoughts consist entirely of what satisfies my ego at the moment.

>tfw I thought up something similar to Zeno's paradoxes before I had even read any philosophy
>tfw my own explanation of gravity was very similar to the scientifically approved one I learnt later on

>>16836622
I published a couple of math papers. Never produced an original thought outside of my professional sphere though.

>>16836622
how is this not a comforting thought to you, OP?
Meditations, Book 5:
>Think of the whole of existence, of which you are the tiniest part; think of the whole of time, in which you have been assigned a brief and fleeting moment

This is not spoken within the specific context you're bringing up, but if you recognize how small, yet connected you are to the universe and all that is around you, why is being original important to you? You are a necessary thread in the universe, one that these once-original thoughts/ideas can be applied to, or nurtured by. Why be upset by this? Embrace it, man.

>>16836652
tfw everything is empirical observation

Dust to dust, megro.

>>16836622
Back to pol

>>16836652
Imagine believing this

>>16836622
>This is the most painful thing to know
The most painful thing to know is that the 99% won't give a shit about your original ideas and independent thoughts. In fact, they will hate them.

>Less than 1%

More like less than 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

Even the most professors at the most prestigious institutions can only circlejerk other great’s ideas. Your life will be easy once you realize that all the people you are going to meet your in life are NPCs and you are part of them and there are nothing special about people in general. No, you are not going to meet Einstein, Plato, Kant, Marx, Nietzsche. Adam smith or Von Neuman. The smartest people you will meet can only parrot ideas and thinkings of the few chosen people in history of the mankind and have nothing interesting on their own. Hope this helps.

how many philosophers actually brought new ideas to the table? i bet bored farmers could figure out philosophical concepts independently

You have to know the shit before, for you to put the two shits together to come up with new shit. How else do you think a baby is born?

>>16840144
>Nietzsche
Even Nietzsche did the same thing for most his career.

>the chad original thinker

99% of original ideas are completely useless. Useful originality is built upon the concepts that are understood by people.

Unless we are talking about metaphysics, in which case, everything is made of water.

>>16836622
I wish I was incapable of independent thought. They seem happy.