/lit/ - Literature

>buzz off, society!

>>16794526
>cultural fascism
What's this?

>>16794526
Farmer boy.

The Road to Serfdom

>>16795248
Cops, bdsm, trucks with giant American flags flaying from the bed, thin blue line separatists flags, highest incarceration rate of the world, systemic rape in the armed services, military approvals for Hollywood films, anchormen awed by the beauty of a bombing raid or any invasion, Joe “Stalin” Biden’s cabinet of rightwingers, Peolosi’s green lighting over-bloated military spending for any president, encirclement of China, Russia, Iran and Venezuela, imprisonment and torture of journalist Julian Assange and other whistleblowers....
You want more?

>>16796297
Fascism is when stuff I don't like happens

>>16796320
No, it’s authoritarianism, imperialism, elitism, racism, nationalism, sexism. It is several things I don’t like and it is still very much in control of the world. We don’t call it cultural fascism, it’s just neoliberalism’s “conservative” side.

>>16796297
Please don't group BDSM with that other shit. I just want to get pegged...

>>16796350
>authoritarianism,
>imperialism,
>elitism,
>racism,
Cringe
>nationalism,
Based
>sexism
By this I assume you mean "muh patriarchy" in which case based.

>>16796350
Authoritarian, nationalist and elitist yes, imperialist sometimes though it's not necessary, racism and sexism are not inherent to fascism
calling it "neoliberalism's conservative side" is an anachronism and a severe form of brainletism

>cultural fascsim
There is no such thing, as with the so-called cultural Marxism

>>16796647
So is ever referring to “cultural Marxism”

>>16796647
Imperialist always, anon. Fascist economics require imperialism.
Not that that's a bad thing, though.

>>16796387
>he thinks you can separate nationalism from racialism
ask Reagan how that worked out for him

>>16797111
>Not that that's a bad thing
Fucking boys

>>16796297
holy basederino

>>16797111
Peron and Gaddafi were not imperialists

>>16796297
>BDSM
Holy based I'm a fascist now!

>>16796297
>>16796350
>>16794526
Nothing will ever be as evil as the people that deny cultural marxism, not even the marxist theirselves because where would they be today without their most loyal supporters?

>>16797210
They were nearly tankies

>>16797248
t. Cultural fascists

>>16797263
t.

>>16797210
They also weren't really fascists, though obviously their ideas were connected.

>>16796297
stay mad tranny tripfag

>>16797248
>the meme of cultural Marxism
you are on the same level as the tranny you are answering.

One of the foundations of Marxist theory is the complete dependence of the cultural superstructure on the economic infrastructure. In the worldview of Marx and his earliest followers, literature, art, dominant ideologies, religion,in short, the Zeitgeist, the spirit of the times, are determined by the balance of forces between the different powers that govern society, which are economic in nature.

>>16797324
>All that obfuscation
Even my coworkers are waking up to the threat of socialism and I only had to push them in the right direction. Everything else, they found out on their own. I only post on this site because calling you all out is just too much fun

>>16797324
>b-b-b-but marxist theory says
when will you dumb niggers learn, you're only allowed to enact the facets of marxism that don't threaten your jewish overlords.

>>16797263
>They were nearly tankies
In 1973 Gaddafi made a proclamation to destroy communism in the Arab lands. During the green revolution the government urged Libyan students to carry out communist hunts. to report them to the authorities or publicly lynch them. pic related

>>16797364
>>16797379
What I mean is that in Marxism, there cannot be a critique of the dominant culture and the social superstructure without first doing an analysis of the underlying economic relations.

Both Marxism and fascism are defined ideologies, what you are doing is creating categories under purely sociological grounds to name something that you do not like.

Are there any books I can read that show niggers are actually human? Thanks.

>>16797429
>nooo every marxist is 100% adherent to literally everything marx wrote letter and spirit
I would say that I don't think you're that retarded, but since you think cultural marxism doesn't exist I won't.

>>16797429
Green book islamist tankies

>>16796350
Makes sense since women are the crypto fascists, feminism is just an aspect of fascism and social Darwinism towards undesirables. Women are the system. it runs on male insecurity, it's the redpill.

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>>16797455
Are anarchists, Nazis or French postmodern authors the same for having drink from Nietzschean philosophy? Are Gentile, Gramsci and Croce the same for being Hegelians?

>>16797519
Bronze Age Mindset talks about the oppressive nature of femoids in democracy.

>>16794526
What cultural vaporwaveism? Does that have overlap w it and cultural anime?

>>16797539

>>16797553
Tripfags are not allowed to reply to my posts. Especially tranny boomers.

>>16797535
Bad comparison.
The point is this: not all marxists have a complete understanding of marxism, not all of those completely agree with marxism and not all of those care to let that stop them embracing whatever is currently progressive, since being surrounded by marxists and conformism was what lead them to being marxists in the first place.
And so we have self-professed marxists campaigning for mass migration, never minding how it gives power only to their hated bourg, because "hey a raceless nationless world is our end goal anyway"

>>16797560

Daily Reminder that Jordan Peterson is a Koch crony

>>16797584
Did he ever name the jew?

>>16796297
>Cops, bdsm, trucks with giant American flags flaying from the bed, thin blue line separatists flags, highest incarceration rate of the world, systemic rape in the armed services, military approvals for Hollywood films, anchormen awed by the beauty of a bombing raid or any invasion, Joe “Stalin” Biden’s cabinet of rightwingers, Peolosi’s green lighting over-bloated military spending for any president, encirclement of China, Russia, Iran and Venezuela, imprisonment and torture of journalist Julian Assange and other whistleblowers....
Sweetie that's not fascism.
>>16796350
>authoritarianism
Every country that enforces the law and imprisons its populace for whatever reason is authoritarian. This is not exclusive or even a product of fascism. In fact, in fascist italy between 1922-1940 not more than 10,000 political dissidents were arrested. Compare thid with other Authoritarian countries at the time like the soviet union, or even Turkey today or the 'ol US of A.
imperialism
Again not exclusive or even a product of fascism. The most imperialist countries have also been democracies. Fascists like war, they like violence but these are a product of the aesthetic movement of fascism as well as it's Sorelian roots, the creation of myth to unite the masses and to get them to act.
>elitism
Fascism is not elitist at all. It was strictly a populist movement, and was even considered by fascist intellectuals the truest form of democracy (rule of the people) as the state is always carrying out the will and destiny of the people.
>racism
No. Fascist italy was among the friendliest places to Jews in all of Europe at the time.
>nationalism
You can't be "nationalist" and "elitist" these are contradictory terms
What do you even mean by that "nationalism"? In school they "teach" you that nationalism is a form of extreme patriotism and a proclamation of "we are the best, everyone else sucks!" which is a quite retarded and juvenile interpretation of Nationalism.
It's a liberal value, it comes from the French. It is to put the interests of the people who make up this "nation" above other problems.
Meanwhile, fascism itself makes distinctions between different kinds of nationalism.
>For the nationalist, the nation exists not by virtue of the citizen's will, but as datum, a fact, of nature.
>For Fascism, on the contrary, the State is a wholly spiritual creation. It is a national State, because, from the Fascist point of view, the nation itself is a creation of the mind and is not a material presupposition, is not a datum of nature. The nation, says the Fascist, is never really made; neither, therefore, can the State attain an absolute form, since it is merely the nation in the latter's concrete, political manifestation. For the Fascist, the State is always in fieri. It is in our hands, wholly; whence our very serious responsibility towards it.

>>16797589
No, he praises them essentially. Which is why it’s amusing that people on this board think they get one over on /pol/ when they mock Peterson, but he’s generally been considered a gate-keeping shill since he tried to piggyback off the pronouns Alberta debacle.

>sexism.
>century old political movement
>not sexist by today's distored lenses
among it's contemporaries fascists were perhaps on the progressive side.
original fascist manifesto in italy called for womens' voting rights before this was even granted in most western democracies.
Pretty much every woman in the BUF (british union of fascists) was a suffragette and the first fascist party outside of Italy was founded by a lesbian woman.
If it's sexist to say "women ought to be having children" then guilty as charged, but you are acting like the fascists were somehow rounding up women and putting them onto farms where they can produce children.
It's nonsense, they were given financial incentives to marry and have children. I don't understand why that is so horrible.

>>16797627
wow, never knew that. based

>le evil war mongering fascist pigs

>>16797618
>even a product of fascism.
it's a product of fascist autarky. the need for economic self-sufficiency is the need for enough raw materials to maintain it. which requires the nation to have an empire. Hence Hitler looking to eastern europe and Mussolini to africa.

>>16797684
>the need for economic self-sufficiency
>which requires the nation to have an empire
not fascism
this idea was more reminiscent of the period and not of fascist themselves
I am sorry that fascist italy thought to do literally what every other country was doing at the time. guess they should have have had the hindsight to appeal to the woke crowd of today
>Hence Hitler
Not fascist and the NSDAP didn't like fascism, they never called themselves fascists and hitler and musso did not get along and their alliance was a tactical one.
The only reason nazis are even called is fascists because some soviet general did in the 1940s

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>>16797716
Hey I'm not judging them, I love fascism. Autarky is absolutely fundamental to fascist economics- you can hardly deny the cancer of international finance while engaging wholly in it, nor can you claim to be upholding your people's economic interests if you force them to compete with cheap overseas labour.
I'm not judging imperialism either, the state that many of the ex-colonies fell into after their independence is testament to the stupidity of expecting the whole world to live with western systems without western leadership.

As for Hitler, he absolutely was fascist. There were significant differences between Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy of course, but that is only natural. They were different national expressions of the same philosophy. Mosley makes this clear in 100 questions, "the main difference between us and them is that we are English and they are German".

>>16797673
This means stop fighting Hitler.
Fuck off >>>/pol/

>>16797754
>the hack mosley as a source
That phrase is an idealistic reduction. Fascism and the NS had fundamental contradictions in what a state was and its function, even their concept of nation was different.

>>16797734
Musso was a based anarchist/egoist that wanted italy to join the entente and this angered the Italian socialist party so he was thus kicked out
He called them a bunch of fags and that this was a war between two different kinds of socialism.

A syndicate is a union, a group, a bunch or a bundle.
A bundle of sticks is a fascio
Italian trade unions were called "fasci"

>You hate me because you still love me! what divides me from you is not a small question, it is a big question that divides all socialism.
>t. Benito

>>16797786
Obviously the quote is simple, 100 questions is more or less a fucking FAQ; the point still stands.

But I'll indulge, what in your mind constitutes this essential split, and why does it make Nazism not Fascism?

>>16797755
>This means stop fighting Hitler
Is that somehow less anti war?
First casualties from the british side of the war were card holding members of the BUF.

>>16797800
You know who bombed Guernica?
Italian planes.

>>16797754
>As for Hitler, he absolutely was fascist
Absolutely not. The concept of the state is completely different for the natsocs and the fascists
But with fascist logic anyway, all states are fascist states. Everything is state, we are all the state. This is just advancement of hegelian idealism

why do people still take the butterfly tranny seriously

>>16797807
>socialists don't kill eachother

>>16797786
Why was mosley a hack?

>>16797821
Because we've had 17 years of 4chan and people still can't understand the principle of "don't reply to bait"

>>16797801
Fascism drinks from the nation-state and NS from the racial community. For the first, the State is an end in itself, the revolutionary subject, while the second the State is a transitory element for the liberation of the Aryan-Germanic race.

fascism contemplates in economic aspect the gradual access of the working class to the co-management of the means of production, while the NS believes in the "führerprinzip", where the leader is the highest hierarchy of the race to be followed.

both seek the creation of a welfare state. However, fascism believed in the total corporatism of the economy, not the NS, which was in favor of it only in some sectors.


The NS and fascists do not start from the same cradle. A different thing is that their alliance in the late 1930s was due to common enemies: liberal-capitalism and Marxism.

>>16797828
Because his philosophical contribution was poor and because he wanted to make a copy of fascism based on superficial aspects, in fact even Ramiro Ledesma (the gestator of National Syndicalism) criticized him for how little original it was.

>>16797862
What are some good works of fascist and syndicalist philosophy besides gentile and sorel?

>>16797884
I would recommend Sergio Panunzio, Ugo Spirito and Nicola Bombacci but I don't know if their works have been translated into English.

>>16797951
>I don't know if their works have been translated into English.
That is the hard part when trying to find any text relating to fascism.
I would learn Italian but I'm currently learning another language right now so I'm already occupied with that.
Should have taken french more seriously in highschool, would have opened up a LOT more text options. Learning languages is such a beautiful thing. Shame school does not drill that idea into our heads anymore.

>>16796297
dilate

>>16797970
It really does look like Ted Cruz

>>16797970
Shop
>>16798022
Butters is a woman, stop this dumb meme.

>>16798030
>hides manjaw away
of course it's a trannarchist

>>16797734
>doesn't address any of the points and just posts le funny cat meme
I expected more from you, auntie.

>>16794526
>cultural fascism
as opposed to non cultural fascism? what form of fascism is divorced from culture?

>>16797807
This painting was about bullfighting, that hack Picasso just changed its name to capitalize on muh evil fascists

>>16798573
And less than 300 peoppe died in the bombings, it was a military target.
As far as atrocities go it's almost insignificant.
It's a myth