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From those who've read it what do you think?

Also post your favourite proses from it

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>>16792888
check'd

>> No.16792901

>>16792888
Fuck, he's a hideous potato. Are the chinks the ugliest of Asians?

>> No.16792906

>>16792888
>_<

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>>16792888
>Mr. Morton was who I'd consider as a fond mentor of an older age.

>Once, at the corner Café's desk, he offered me a glimpse into his notebook full of remarka written with the utmost eloquence, as I soon have grown ashamed of my own scattered scribbles atop the ink-stained desk.

>I knew at that instance under the incessant typing noise: writing shall be my craft, a craft that have not left me since.

>"Indeed. His elegeance simply cannot be denied. When one submits to
Mozart, all are absolved from moods bizarre."
>"Wow, Arthur, it rhymed!"

>> No.16792972

>>16792888
Someone posted a video from his yesterday. The way he speaks is really grating, and his mannerisms are annoying. I felt an overwhelming urge to right hook him.

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I am, yet not done, the requisite works to truly appreciate the delicate proses of The Learned Disguise

>> No.16792977

I want to raw dog this little oriental like his ancestors raw dog dogs, dog

CHINKYYYYY HERE CHINKY CHINKY I want chiny bussy breed breed breed I'm gonna fucking knock up your bussy you little pseud fuck I'm gonna Bury Your Face In Some Real Literature while I hit it from behind you little chinky rinky dinky I wanna crawl inside your asshole and wear you like a suit :)

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>self-professed Renaissance man
>self-professed polymath
>self-professed master of proses
What else can Waldun add to his resumé?

>> No.16792986

>>16792964

>"Indeed. His elegeance simply cannot be denied. When one submits to Mozart, all are absolved from moods bizarre."
>"Wow, Arthur, it rhymed!"

This is my favourite. Firstly moods bizarre is such a disaster because it sounds so unrealistic and forced. Secondly because it doesn't even fucking rhyme

>> No.16793001

>>16792974
kek

>> No.16793052

>>16792888
GOD! I want to fuck Waldun in his little sissy ass. I can't wait for his transition.
>>16792974
I'm almost done with the chart, I already want to read this masterpiece. But I do believe that there's a meriad of influences one would not be able to detect.

>> No.16793060

>>16793052
>meriad
Get the fuck outta here, Waldindu.

>> No.16793088

>>16792888
>Crunch crunch! There went the hunch!
>Dig dig! There I saw the the golden nib!
I am not the author of this vocaroo: https://vocaroo.com/1fH9JgXbEgdF.. Just listen to the first 30 seconds to hear the quote.

>> No.16793146

>>16792974
What program was used to make this chart?

>> No.16793152

>>16792985
>self-professer

>> No.16793161

https://mermaid-js.github.io/mermaid/#/

>> No.16793183

I imagine that RC Waldun is a performance artist, and he's satirizing western literature

>> No.16793201

Honestly it isn’t the worse thing ever. At least the kid tried to actually do some decent prose and aesthetic flair.he’s just really bad at dialogue and portraying engaging natural characters. The whisky sipping stream of consciousness bit was pretty ambitious to do and he pulled it off relatively well. Here’s some of my favorite scenes so far
https://voca.ro/1lqYie7V2HIb
https://voca.ro/1lb2JPoNU1WJ
https://voca.ro/13OqyrGphtaH
https://voca.ro/1cTfO6BpWuFo
https://voca.ro/1fH9JgXbEgdF
https://voca.ro/1iQbNz7AmPjW

(Mr Morton& Jamie Joyce kino) https://voca.ro/1j1lR75ZIVN6
https://voca.ro/1j1lR75ZIVN6

https://voca.ro/1fH9JgXbEgdF
https://voca.ro/19f0xEqMAJHo
https://voca.ro/1aOQHtCMEnSl

>> No.16793216

>>16793201
Caps of the whiskey drinking bit?

>> No.16793239

>>16793201
>The whisky sipping stream of consciousness bit was pretty ambitious to do and he pulled it off relatively well
No he didn't. It was awful.

>> No.16793241

>>16793216
He won't post it because it's actually garbage. If he did he would be revealed as a philistine. Can't have evidence around to be used against his bald-faced lie!

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>>16793216
Here you go

>> No.16793280

>>16793251
It's awful. I don't see why you would ever try to defend this.

>> No.16793282

>>16792888
His so pretentious and full of himself and his prose is so bad. He is what every self aware aspiring writer is terrified of being

>> No.16793297

>>16793251
Thanks my man

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>>16793280
>>16793297
Like I said he’s not Jamie Joyce reborn or anything but at least someone from the zoomer generation is actually trying

>> No.16793379

>>16793318
>drinks one ounce of whiskey
>falls on the floor
>drinks another ounce of whiskey
>gets so drunk off two ounces of whiskey his friend is visibly concerned
>falls down in the street, again
So bad. So unrealistic. Not to mention this is awful stream of consciousness because it's way too goddamn choppy. To many periods. Needs to be smoothed out. He also gets into this autsitic mode before he even has a shot. Just awful writing overall. It doesn't fit with the style before either. Supposedly he goes into this style because Arthur gets drunk, but again, this happens before Arthur has had one sip. In addition he gets drunk after two ounces of whiskey. It's just so bad.

>> No.16793448

>>16793251
>a lone pigeon walked the streets.
What did he mean by this?

>> No.16793459

>>16792986
It's insane that no one has picked up on what Waldun is doing here. I'm not going to spell it out for you, but here are the keys to a deeper understanding:
>Hegel's Philosophy of Right
>The French pronunciation of "Mozart"
>Postpositive adjectives in English nursery rhymes
>1 Corinthians 11-12

>> No.16793507

>>16793251
God damn what the fuck is this. The prose is completely all-over the place

>> No.16793634

>>16792972
Funny, I couldn’t stop thinking about drilling his cute little asshole.

>> No.16793689

>>16792985
You can add a poet who sees the true nature of the universe
>>16793088

>> No.16793692

>>16793251
>Laughter, soon came forth.
These proses are exquisite.

>> No.16793701

>>16793379
Don't Asians lack the gene that allows them to digest and break down alcohol, and therefore they get completely drunk on a half can of beer

>> No.16793722

>>16793634
had the exact same thought

>> No.16793723

>>16793692
A genius admires simplicity, while an idiot idolizes complexity.

>> No.16793724

>>16793318
Waldun we all know that thumb is yours. Why are you so intent on defending yourself here? It’s bad, stop.

>> No.16793734

>>16792985
This guy would spend all three of his magic lamp wishes to become white.

>> No.16793739

>>16793734
It's sad how true that is

>> No.16793748

>>16793251
>the waiter, too, regarded me with a faint smile

jesus christ man. wtf are those commas doing there

>> No.16793758

>>16793318
Rice Cuck what is the matter with you? First you vocaroo yourself reading this stuff and now you're posting excerpts. Do you realize you're contributing to your own pile-on?

>> No.16793766

>>16793251
>cigarette buds

>> No.16793769

>>16793379
Considering this is written by an asian dweeb, that's a pretty accurate depiction of how probably reacts to alcohol. Probably the same soft sort that vomits from their first cigarette drag.

>> No.16793778

>>16793723
Indeed. The simplicity of that unnecessary comma is brilliant.

>> No.16793779

>>16793769
That's what happens when you won't leave your apartment and decide to write.

>> No.16793783

>>16793723
It's hilarious that Rice Cuck considers Hemingway an influence and then fills up his book with this turgid crap.

>> No.16793799

>>16793779
Yeah, if the Learned Disguise is a lesson to anyone it's don't fucking write a book at 20 years old. Life experience is critical. I doubt Walden has ever even had a job.

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>>16792888
Why the fuck is he so annoying?

>> No.16793826

>>16793701
Knew an Indonesian who would get red in the face after smelling a Budweiser, can confirm.

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>>16793766
It's real. Was he trying to be poetic, or does he think the words is buds instead of butts? But if he truly meant buds, what was he trying to convey?

>> No.16793837

>>16793826
It's a real thing, anecdotes aren't necessary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

>> No.16793847

>>16793831
Considering the book is riddles with typos, even of the names of famous authors, we can chalk it up to an oversight. Really though, did no one proofread this fucking thing at all? How did this make it to print?

>> No.16793864

>>16793282
this

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kawaii RC 1/2

>> No.16793881

>>16793847
Waldun himself proofread it FIVE times. He also paid some rando off of fiverr to edit it.
On his current novel he is getting swindled by a "professional team of editors". Feel bad for the dude. He claims to have found his editors because they will edit a sample of your writing for free. So of course after seeing his sample they immediately wrote him back saying he is a talented writer. Waldun fell for the snake-oil pitch and has been paying them weekly ever since. Wouldn't be surprised if his novel ends up in "development hell" on the advice of his "professional editors".

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2/2

>> No.16793894

>>16793884
He looks shredded

>> No.16793899

>>16793881
I almost feel bad for the guy. Almost. He's still made it farther than 99% of us ever will. He's a laughingstock but he has an audience. We lap it up.

>> No.16793906

>>16793870
>>16793884
Cringe.

>> No.16793927

>>16793899
Self publishing a horrible book on amazon is not getting far at all

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He could've been the fun, goofy, pop science teacher, but he gave it all up to be a self-proclaimed literary professor. Sad!

>> No.16793935

>>16793884
didn't know he was such a manlet. he looks like a child.

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>>16793929

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>>16793899
>He's still made it farther than 99% of us ever will.

>> No.16793948

>>16793927
You're missing the big picture. He's got 120k youtube subscribers and other social media. That's where the money is now. It's not like the old days where you publish a book the good old fashioned way and you hope for the best. Building your brand through the internet is exactly how you're supposed to do it now.

>> No.16793956

>>16793942
Couldn't get through this webm. Look at how fidgety this cunt is.

>> No.16793961

>>16793948
So this is a zoomer pleb's idea of success? No wonder you guys suck at writing and art.

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>> No.16793976

>>16793929
>>16793942
why are extroverted asians so fucking annoying, guys? I'm starting to understand racists...

>> No.16793977

>>16793948
>build your brand
Jesus fucking christ i hate you and i hate capitalism. Art for art’s sake not for fame’s sake

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>> No.16793993

>>16793977
We're talking about getting books published. The only reason you would do that is because you want an audience. It's inherently selfish and not art for art's sake. Art for art's sake is stuff you never show anyone.

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Transformation into humanities professor, just like my animes

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>>16793847
>>16793881

>> No.16794001

>>16793968
>well, library is my home
>another conundrum logic could not grapple
>no words, no proses, nor any poems, could describe the inner sorrow
>after days mediating between the borders of insanity and delirium
>the courtship
>another failed case in my repertoire
>I ordered a feathered quill

You can't make this shit up. How can you read this and not feel ashamed? Does he lack common sense?

>> No.16794005

>>16793993
>we're talking about getting books published*
*Self-published. Any one can do it. All you need is a word document and an Amazon account.

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Which author is your idol? I like Davie Faster Wallace

>> No.16794015

>>16793993
What's the point of publishing a book that's beyond utter shit? It's contradictory to his muh well-read and literary persona.

>> No.16794018

>>16793993
You publish to publish, not to get known.

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hello, Tom Pynchon, old boy

>> No.16794023

>>16793946
>>16793961
He objectively seems to have a pretty good life at the moment

>> No.16794025

>>16794005
It's a perfectly logical way to do it these days. The internet affected just about every other artform so why shouldn't it affect books? Especially in a medium where the author has always been a brand and printed in larger font than the title on the cover.

Waldun's problem was his book is dogshit. That's the only way he went wrong. In terms of marketing the guy is very astute for a 20 year old. If he can improve and hopefully not write another book until he gets some real life experience, and keep growing those youtube subscribers, he can make a comeback.

>> No.16794030

>>16794023
Not like he earned it. He's a trust fund kid, that's why he can write and make youtube videos for a living. That clearly reflects on his writing.

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I also branch out into sci fi writer Ray Bradbery

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>>16793251
>Brown drink? Drink the Brown.
LMAO WHAT IS THIS???

>> No.16794043

>>16794030
Yeah but he produces a lot of salt

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Bonjour, oui oui, Herr Marcel

>> No.16794046

>>16794025
>Waldun's problem was his book is dogshit.
Yea, a teeny tiny problem, no big deal.

>> No.16794049

>>16794030
evidence he's a trust fund baby?

>> No.16794052

>>16794023
How bad is your life, really?

>> No.16794058

>>16794025
>If he can improve and hopefully not write another book until he gets some real life experience, and keep growing those youtube subscribers, he can make a comeback.
He's releasing another mess in Jan 2021.

>> No.16794066

>>16794025
Massive cope. Self-publishing is bad. The only advertisement you get is what you can do to advertise it personally. No one will professionally review your book. No one will write an article about it. It will never appear in a journal or literary review. It will never be physically stocked in any bookstore. You rely solely on your twitter clout to sell your book to your followers. Literally no one will care about your book. It will be forgotten as soon as something more interesting grabs your followers attention, such as the latest TikTok dance craze or twitter feud. Cope some more retard. You're probably Waldun himself and think that self-publishing is acceptable. Want to know why your manuscript L'Academie got rejected by every publisher? It's because you self-publish. Enjoy never making it as a writer and being forgotten after 1 month.

>> No.16794068

>>16794052
It could be better, I'm glad that Waldun seems happy though

>> No.16794071

>>16794046
Developing an audience is by far the hardest part and he's already done that. Literally all he has to do is write 1 good book and he's a legit author, and his youtube count quintuples, and he writes a better one and it's NYT bestseller.

Now, the guy is a hack so that's a big if, but he's 20 and we humbled the fuck out of him so I think he will improve. I'm starting to sound like sort of a fag, like I'm rooting for him or something.

>> No.16794075

>>16794049
In one of his videos on the flâneur or how to dress like a rogue/dark academic he said his pocket change as a high schooler was more than enough to purchase a bespoke suit.

>> No.16794077

>>16792888
I think I first need to read some Ger ter to truly appreciate it.

>> No.16794091

>>16794071
Name one self-published book that got reviewed by the NYT, or any respectable reviewer for a newspaper/magazine, and is not authored by someone who was already famous. Go on, I'll wait.

>> No.16794100

>>16793201
>he’s just really bad at dialogue and portraying engaging natural characters
Thats the most important part though. If nobody cares about your characters, who is going to want to read a book about them.

>> No.16794102

>>16794091
You're having a completely different argument about "legitimacy" that has no relevance to Rice Cuck's ability to make a living writing fiction.

>> No.16794118

>>16794071
Being a good writer=/=Selling books. And yes, that's a BIG 'if' you're saying. I've read juvenilia by mediocre writers, some even younger than this faggot at that point, and no one is THIS bad. Like, holy shit, we have laughed a lot but it really is fucking terrible.

>> No.16794125

>>16794091
I hope Robin does make it to the Jew York Times review. It would be a great comeback story for femboy Asian manlet

>> No.16794127

>>16794118
Doesn't matter how good your book is if no one knows it exists.

>> No.16794134

>>16794102
Yes it does. Because it will never be advertised or sold anywhere except his YouTube channel. And not everyone who watches him will read it. I don't think many of his subscribers knew he wrote a first novel. I don't many of his subscribers bought it. If they did, they probably would unsubscribe and they definitely wouldn't buy his next book. He has no legitimacy as an author. Without a publisher no is able to give him any authority as a writer. His books have no way of reaching a broader public. He will be insular and only read by his sycophantic fangirls. He is a failure as a writer. Self-publishing is a massive cope. The only reason you do it is because you can't get published legitimately. The "more financial freedom" argument is a cope. Because at that point you have to spend your own money on advertising and product placement. Good luck with that. All that money you saved by "self-publishing" you just spent on advertising.
Go back to Hong Kong gong suck on my long schlong wonton wonton.

>> No.16794136

>>16794102
The argument is whether or not he will become a good writer like the people he falsely admires, not making a living.

>> No.16794138

>>16794071
The people who get off on seeing someone fail are real fags. It's a sort of vampirism that has been a long time staple of 4chan culture to want to see random people fall and suffer.

>> No.16794147

>>16794134
> He will be insular and only read by his sycophantic fangirls
is that really so bad?

>> No.16794155

>>16794134
>Self-publishing is a massive cope
You keep saying this. Do you remember how Arctic Monkeys got their start? MySpace. The internet is the future of everything whether you like it or not.

>>16794136
He *could* become a good writer. Us humbling him down to the core of the Earth will help him a lot. We'll have to see what his next shitheap looks like, but I really think he's too young to write anything resembling a landmark piece of fiction to him. He should only spend the next decade growing his social media profile, improving as a writer, and releasing short fiction.

>> No.16794158

>>16793799
He works at a book store

>> No.16794175

>>16794158
He applied for the job for the aesthetic, not because he needed the money. Or maybe Mommy and Daddy were ashamed that son wouldn't become doctor and cut him off from the trust fund

>> No.16794176

>>16794127
It does matter. That's why you publish in actual publishing houses and not this cringe faggot called internet self-publishing. True writers got rejected all time until they made it because at that point it meant they were good enough. Not like zoomers could understand anything but immediate grafitication. If you self-publish your shit using your e-celeb fame, no one will care in a couple years.

>> No.16794180

>>16794155
Arctic Monkeys were out in bars and clubs playing too you fucking insolent twat. Also nice analogy across mediums. Name some self-published authors who broke through into the publishing industry and are as well known as the Arctic Monkeys. GO ON I WILL WAIT.

>> No.16794190

>>16794155
Music was being “self published” well before the birth of the internet. Music is completely different

>> No.16794191

>>16794134
BASED

>> No.16794195

>>16794180
Again you're missing the big picture. The internet has yet to affect books the way it affected music. But it's coming, and Rice Cucks are going to become a dime a dozen. As far as I'm concerned the only one coping is you.

>> No.16794196

>>16793799
This. Dudes lived way too easy of a life. He's a rich boy that goes to uni and reads all day. He has literally no struggle. What could he possibly even write about

>> No.16794206

>>16794155
Arctic Monkeys had talent, that's why they became known and people liked their stuff. This chink has literally zero talent whatsoever yet he believes he's the second coming of Christ.

>> No.16794212

>>16794196
Suffering doesn't make you creative, it's the exact opposite. The glorification of struggle is why struggle is consistently perpetuated. You want a hard life, that's what you'll get.

>> No.16794217

>>16794195
You're missing the big picture fella. NO ONE TOUCHES SELF-PUBLISHED AUTHORS AND NO ONE EVER WILL. Keep coping. Go ahead and destroy your career and legitimacy as a writer by self-publishing.

>> No.16794218

>>16794195
I agree that this day and age you don't need to be published if you have an Internet persona. But let's be honest this kids never gonna make it. He's flat out bad at writing and seems to be a pretentious rich zoomer, he needs to have a more interesting life than that.

>> No.16794219

>>16794195
>Again you're missing the big picture.
No, you're the one missing the big picture. The internet works for people who have legitimately good content. Getting people to read and buy good fiction is hard. Getting people to read and buy your utter shit fiction is basically a task for the Gods themselves.

>> No.16794229

>>16794218
I wouldn't say he's never going to make it. But I think the chance is very slim. What he has in his favor is he's really young. Like, 20 years old is a fucking baby.

>> No.16794233

>>16793837
/sci/tard

>> No.16794246

>>16794219
I bought his fiction

>> No.16794248

>>16794212
Kek you are so wrong. You need some life experience to write. Hemingway, Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, Dickens etc all had hard lives which obviously helped then write their novels. I'll say it's 80% god given talent though

>> No.16794265

>>16794229
Have you read the stuff good writers were publishing at that age? Or even mediocre writers? To be 20 and voluntarily decide to publish that steaming pile of shit novel means he lacks anything resembling a good judgment. He has never been told 'no' in his life.

>> No.16794269

>>16794265
Not everyone develops at the same rate. It's possible is all I'm saying. Very unlikely, but possible.

>> No.16794270

>>16794246
You're a meme like him.

>> No.16794276

>>16794248
>you need to suffer in order to write
>it's also 80% based off of talent
nigger, which is it? stop being a self contradictory fag cunt

>> No.16794281

>>16794276
Those statements do not contradict each other

>> No.16794282

>>16794195
What happened to music? It got infiltrated by Asians? Wat..

>> No.16794292
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>>16794282
They tried

>> No.16794294

>>16794281
If talent is 80% of what's required to write, suffering isn't necessary.

>> No.16794295

>>16794276
Idiot. You're so lost in trying to win the argument you completely misunderstood what that anon said. I'm not even going to explain it to you, or what your fallacy is. Maybe you will be able to figure it out and smarten up.

>> No.16794296

>>16794265
He goes on these threads so it's probably a huge wakeup call. He's sent his books to a team of editors who are editing the book for 4 months. I assume he's just writing the skeleton of his books now and then leaving it to the editors.

The new book will be way better than TLD but only because its pretty much ghostwitten

>> No.16794299

>>16794294
He's saying you need to suffer *and* be born with talent. Christ.

>> No.16794303

>>16794292
take your meds, I mean it

>> No.16794306

>>16794292
They succeeded. Every normie I know is into kpop and jpop and all that "I wish I was white" gook shit.

>> No.16794309

>>16793448
it's pretty common in london. they're always roving the empty streets trying to scrounge a few quid off me.

>> No.16794310

>>16794306
Do people in real life actually like that stuff? I always thought it was more of an internet thing

>> No.16794313

>>16794299
80% doesn't need 20% to work

>> No.16794315

>>16794299
Mary Shelly published Frankenstein at age 20 and she didn't suffer

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>>16794315
>Shelly

>> No.16794324

>>16794313
Mate you're talking shit at this point

>> No.16794325

>>16794295
Shove a cactus up your ass you cringe larper

>> No.16794329

>>16794315
Percy was talented enough to write it for her.

>> No.16794332

>>16794306
Nobody listens to kpop, but good korean music does exist

>> No.16794338

>>16794315
Her mother died when she was young and she hated her fathers new wife. Its not much but that will add character

>> No.16794366

>>16794313
How are you failing so hard to understand such a simple concept?

>> No.16794377

>>16794315
being alive in the early 19th century inherently entails more suffering than any faggot in this thread will ever know

>> No.16794384

>>16794366
Redditors thinks it is funny to double down when they get exposed as a retard.

>> No.16794386

>>16794366
I understand that your concept is self contradicting, and I reject it

>> No.16794395

Where do I start with Waldun? Any required prereading?

>> No.16794401

>>16794384
being a 4channer is not better than being a redditor, they're both cringe and I would never let anyone know that I use this site

>> No.16794406

>>16793906
Cute

>> No.16794409

>>16794395
Follow Bukowski's advice: Don't try.

>> No.16794413

>>16794409
I've been doing that my entire life, based.

>> No.16794415

>>16794395
no reading required you just need to switch majors three times and learn to mispronounce dostoevsky and reference proust at least three times per minute

>> No.16794420

>>16794401
Because you're a YouTube and that would destroy your audience, Rice Cuck.

>> No.16794427

>>16794415
Never read Proust here. Is he that good? I see his name fucking constantly. In Search of Lost Time is a daunting endeavor though.

>> No.16794430

>>16794413
Or, as Waldun, would write, it.
>Indeed. Doing that, I've been, my entire, live, based.

>> No.16794432

>>16794386
4/10 troll

>> No.16794435

>>16794430
doing d'at*

>> No.16794437

>>16794430
Based: I've been. Try. Why try?

>> No.16794438

>>16794420
Not Waldun, take your meds and dilate

>> No.16794467

>>16794427
No books are daunting. Just read it

>> No.16794468

>>16794395
See >>16792974

>> No.16794485

>>16794438
You already know all the meme words, Rice Cuck. No one will call you by your made-up name btw.

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>>16794485
>You already know all the meme words, Rice Cuck. No one will call you by your made-up name btw.

>> No.16794753

>>16794212
It's not that it makes you more creative, but it allows you to see the full spectrum of human emotions and their motives. Like how some could beat you then later tell you they love you. So it's much easier to put pain into words if you have experienced it yourself.

>> No.16794806

I think RC Waldun is a mirror of /lit/, which is why there's such a fascination surrounding him. He's what Americans are to Europeans, namely an unintentional parody reflecting back to reveal the absurdity of this /board/ and all it's pretensions

>> No.16794840

>>16794806
>He's what Americans are to Europeans
R E N T F R E E

>> No.16794847

>>16793977
No use in sitting around and bitching about it. Make your money then you make art for the sake of art. I don't know why dumb shits on here don't understand this. If he wants to make art for the sake of art he doesn't have to publish it, the shit he does publish is so he can make some money and support himself so he can continue to write and make art.

>> No.16794879

>>16794847
Definitely was not the sentiments he was expressing in the videos about The Learned Disguise which he privated, nor any of his other videos.

>> No.16794887

>>16794879
He's working on an second edition with extended dream sequence with Brother Speare

>> No.16794923

>>16794719
Al you angly, Lice Cuck? Gonna cly?

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Y’all are hating to hard. The relationship with Mr.Morton is actually quite good better chemistry then with the female love interests

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>>16794923
day of lice is coming, u all die soon like dog

>> No.16794947

>>16794879
Well what sentiment was he expressing?

>> No.16794954

>>16794947
That is was a beautiful piece of art and the best thing he had ever written.

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>>16794934
I flipped it for you, mobilefag.

> Oh, Mr. Morton ... How can I ever, thank you?
> No, dear. Don't thank me ... thank Arthur

>> No.16794973

>>16794934
>>16794962
Is it ever made clear what race Arthur, what country he comes from, where the novel takes place, and during what time period?

>> No.16794976

>>16794973
You could say the same about Kafka

>> No.16794982

>>16794973
Why does that even matter?

>> No.16794984

>https://www.litpublication.com/fiction/u26pr93gxirlml51sxkmedslcpmx8v

What do you think, lads, has Brother Dun improved since The Learned Disguise?

>> No.16794985

>>16794976
Except Kafka is good.

>> No.16794987

>>16794954
You do know you could do both right? Make something for arts sake and for money. weather his book is a piece of art or not depends on how he wants to look at it. and if it could also make him money on the side then yeah why the hell not.

>> No.16794994

>>16794985
Yeah but that wasn't mentioned in your post

>> No.16794995

>>16794973
Time period? I think modern day? I honestly can’t tell everyone talks like they come from the 20th century. From what I’ve read so far there’s no real reference to technology or country. I do however think it’s crystal clear Arthur forest is supposed to be white based on waldun being a westboo

>> No.16795003

>>16794984
I've seen shitposts with more literary merit than... whatever this is.

>> No.16795006

>>16794973
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say everyone in the book is white and no chinamen are to be found

>> No.16795015

>>16794994
I'm not the guy asking questions.

>> No.16795027

>>16794973
Isn't his last name Forrester or something? I don't know any chink with that last name. A hapa maybe.

>> No.16795032

>>16794973
All characters are white by default

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Unrelated to The Learned Disguise but Waldun once had a video up called "Do I have to be an Asian Doctor?" which is now private.

http://www.thequirkyinquiry.com/do-i-have-to-be-an-asian-doctor/

>> No.16795056

>>16794995
>>16795006
>>16795027
I ask because I've seen several passages posted which imply both Arthur and Mr. Morton are not from the country they reside in. I also ask about the time period because everyone talks in stilted affected dialogue. I'm trying to figure out if this is turn of the 20th century or if they are all pompous assholes.

>> No.16795066

>>16794984
Just when I was starting to think, "This is actually coherent". My boy RC drops this nugget

>"They didn’t roster people on so if you're not here I gotta have to do a twelve-hour shift!"

>> No.16795067

>>16795056
Any hints at the tech they use?

>> No.16795076

>>16795066
>I gotta have to do
Is he really ESL or more like ETL?

>> No.16795092

>>16795066
It's dialogue. Maybe that person really speaks that poorly.

>> No.16795100

>>16795092
Right I forgot how many ESL chinks there are in australia

>> No.16795108

>>16795092
I don't think so. He's not talented enough to give his characters a speech deficiency. It's how he would say it.

>> No.16795114

>>16794973
After his blockbuster debut novel, Robin Wu delights us all with his second book, the prequel to a Learned Disguise.

We would find out that Arthur, a Chinese immigrant in Australia, is a 21st century Faust. He toils day and night to become Renaissance man and scholar of white literature, but he despairs that he will never be a master of that culture. One day, White Satan makes a bargain with Arthur: he shall give all that he desires, a white body, genius intellect, mastery in all music, art, and science, an American accent, knowledge of the entire western canon, respect from the great writers and artists, a time portal to 18th century central Europe, and best of all – a white girlfriend. In exchange, Arthur will give up his soul and go to hell in exactly 24 years.

No longer will Australia have the dubious honor of no good writers. The southern hemisphere has produced RC Waldun, the future winner of not one, but ten Novel prizes in Literature.

>> No.16795115

>"I said I've classes and there's someone in the store." She still looked confused and came to the counter, "Hey, I was wondering."

Hey Op, I was wondering.

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>>16795114
TOP KEK, I'll be posting this when his new mess comes out and he makes a video (Jan 2021)

>> No.16795133 [DELETED] 

This guy is a real genius. You might not swallow his writing so well but he could save lit if you will just consume him. But everyone here naturally despises anyone optimistic (especially* gasp* a hapa!) so you could never do it. Your loss.

>> No.16795141

>>16795114
>Novel prizes
Nice touch.
>>16795130
I'd be interested to see if he makes a video about L'Academie. I can't wait to read the Amazon preview!

>> No.16795151

>>16794269
not the other guy but chiming in anyway.
i actually think it is impossible desu
the sheer quantity of bad proses throughout the novel demonstrates a cripplingly cringey lack of self-awareness.
for waldun to get to this stage, even at 20 years old, even as an ESL --like how is he reading Proust and Kant and Joyce but still manages to produce sentences like
>I knew at that instance under the incessant typing noise: writing shall be my craft, a craft that have not left me since.
>that have no left me since.


not to mention all the stupid commas.
it's just plain that this is a phase and not a vocation. guarantee in 5 years he'll be doing self-help video essays on youtube as a main gig. (likely still about dark academia)

as an aside: you gotta wonder what this dudes uni marks look like, if that's his writing level. yikes.

>> No.16795152

>>16795114
The concept of a racial soul is cringe

>> No.16795155

>>16795133
Go to bed, Lobin.

>> No.16795160

Lots of coping in this thread

>> No.16795163

>>16794984
>"Yeah, mate." I looked up the book in the catalog and found where it was. I got the book from the shelf and checked it out for the older gentleman, "That'll be 22.99 plus tip."

>"Thois is Austrailer you fucking g00k I'm not tipping shit. In fact how about I shove my tip up ur ass you little sissy bitch" I gasped, and before I knew it his monster cock was in my mouth...

>> No.16795168

>>16795151
He just need to have his Hemingway eureka moment where he strips away all the bullshit

>> No.16795192

>>16795160
Waldun stans love their idol.

>> No.16795205

This thread is mostly spurging against self-publishing, so /lit/, what is the best way to get published?

>> No.16795209

>>16795205
suck some dick

>> No.16795210

>>16795168
>He just need to have
Go to bed, Lobin.

>> No.16795215

>>16795205
The guy who ranted about self publishes was a schizo, and most of us disagreed with him. His analogy was that Koreans have overtaken the music industry or something weird like that

>> No.16795328

>>16795205
There's decency in self-publishing if the book is actually good but if it's beyond utter shit, then it's evident it was nothing more than a vanity action.

>> No.16795337

>>16795328
If it was good, why didn't a publisher publish it?

>> No.16795340

Would this guy be a better (though still bad) poet? It would at least give him more time to iron things out

>> No.16795352

>>16795337
good point

>> No.16795355

>>16793251
I legit gave it a chance, only knowing that this dude is some famous eceleb
It's garbage, but the middle down, is some weird ranting poem. Gross as hell.

>> No.16795360

>>16795215
Name one self-published author who writes good books. Name one famous self-published author. Name one self-published author who has legitimate reviews. Go on, I will wait.

>> No.16795365

>>16793318
>trying
hahaha no no no no
I'm more willing to accept twilight lemon fanfic getting published than this shit.

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now we know what Robin masturbates to: being accepted by a huwite family and marrying their daughter

>> No.16795395

>>16795384
This is just EXHAUSTING to read

>> No.16795407

>>16795384
>Linguistics was amongst her favorite pursuits, for she loves proses elegant and sentences proper.
You can't make this shit up.

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>>16795340
oh please Rob- I mean, Arthur, please regale us with your rhyming poetry and skillful piano playing

>> No.16795425

>>16795360
>Name one self-published author who writes good books
Davis MJ Aurini

>> No.16795458

>>16795419
This is the most amateurish and childish snobbery that I have ever read. I have never seen anyone trying so hard and failing so bad.

>> No.16795462

>>16795205
nigga it's literally just text, upload it to pastebin, bam, you're published.

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>>16795458
Robin plays the piano, like his author avatar … Arthur. Fun fact: Robin used to be a science major and Arthur used to be a scientist.

>> No.16795529

>>16795419
Assonance isn't really a rhyme in this case.

It's pretty fun to read his stuff, but i don't understand the sudden interest in him the past two weeks

>> No.16795539

>>16795529
It is a rhyme if you pronounce it moe-zar, like the French do

>> No.16795562

>>16795539
I see, why you'd pronounce his name in french is beyond me, though

>> No.16795572

>>16795562
RC is a Frenchaphile and allegedly can speak French and German

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BGQQum_ETk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQNq_pxv_pc

>> No.16795605

>>16795340
Maybe, it's a pretty good format for the metaphysical he seems so fond of

>> No.16795611

>>16795572
>4 months ago
>just finished my third novel
God help us all.

>> No.16795614

>>16795572
I am aware, but it makes no sense to pronounce his name in french if he was austrian.
You either go with english or german

>> No.16795624

>>16794315
she had a still born baby, and was pregnant to a man she hated while she wrote the majority of the book. The still born birth was key to Frankenstein

>> No.16795628

>>16795572
>Frenchaphile
You're him, aren't you? There's always a retarded ESL in these threads.

>> No.16795642

>>16795628
Stop trying so hard

>> No.16795643

>>16795642
Okay, Frenchaphile.

>> No.16795653

>>16795643
the correct term is ouiaboo

>> No.16795656

>>16792888
This kid is going to make BANK off of you retards. The real intellect behind R.C. Waldun was his decision to make the book so bad that people buy it up just to see how terrible it really is.

>> No.16795663

>>16793201
Shut the fuck up waldun

>> No.16795680

>>16795656
>I was only pretending to be retarded
sure, Lobin, sure. No one will buy your shit en masse, if that's what you want. It's not "so bad it's good", it's simply bad.

>> No.16795689

>>16795572
He's 19?
Jesus lit, pick on someone your own age.

>> No.16795692

>>16793968
>22th of May...

>> No.16795701

>>16795689
It's spelled /lit/, Robin

>> No.16795706

>>16795689
He's 20 now, many fags here are his age or around his age.

>> No.16795707

>>16795692
give him a break. He's just a kid and it's his 1rd novel

>> No.16795711

I'm out, this thread has gone to shit

>> No.16795734

>>16793968
this guy badly needs to get some pussy

>> No.16795744

>>16794138
It's not random people tho, he's a booktuber. If anything, this is gatekeeping, and making fun because it's clear he's larping.
For me, personally, is about vengeance against the trend that treats literature as an aesthetic artifact, because it damages the social value of something I deeply love.

>> No.16795750

>>16795734
He could be gay you know. Or would your point still stand?

>> No.16795761

>>16795750
He is gay. i will fuck him

>> No.16795766

>>16795750
He's definitely homosexual.

>> No.16795779

>>16794138
or maybe when someone here comes crowing about their prowess and they're not actually good they shouldn't be treated well for being a foolish braggart

and apparently the kid comes from wealth anyway, so it's unlikely he'll ever have the astute insight an observant author who came from nothing as - but oh does he have all the time in the world to flaunt for attention

>> No.16795804

>>16795766
*a homosexual

>> No.16795837

>>16795744
God, how i fucking loathe you and all you other newshitters trying your hardest to fucking fit in.
Can't wait for the novelty to wear off so you fuck off to another board.

>> No.16795849

>>16795837
>>16795744
both me btw

>> No.16795856

>>16795837
Actually /lit/ is the only board I lurk. But whatever.

>> No.16795865

>>16795856
For now, see you in two months.

>> No.16795888

>>16795865
Nah. Years ago I also lurked on /r9k/, /mu/ and /b/, sometimes /x/. But I grew tired of all that shit.
What boards do you recommend, my fellow Waldun enthusiast?

>> No.16795889

>>16795856
>i am so passionate about literature that i am shitting on some random booktuber
>also, i lack reading comprehension
It writes itself

>> No.16795896

>>16795888
>Years ago I also lurked on /r9k/, /mu/ and /b/, sometimes /x/.
You didn't have to write that part, i could already tell.

>> No.16795912

>>16793251
This is the Tom Myers of writing

>> No.16795928

>>16795896
I am of quite an aristocratic ascentry.

>> No.16796621

>>16792888
>the book is titled The Learned Disguise
>as in to DISGUISE as one who is LEARNED
>people calling him a pseud
jesus christ filtered

>> No.16796685

>>16795912
brown drink transplant

>> No.16796701

>>16796621
maybe the true pseuds were the Walduns we made along the way

>> No.16796796

>>16796685
Make proses innate again

>> No.16797131

>>16793976
this is how everyone sees uppity whitebois. Congratulations now you no how the rest of the world feels about you

>> No.16797138

>>16797131
I'm black.

>> No.16797151

>>16793305
>r. c. car
why the fuck did i laugh at this?

>> No.16797160 [DELETED] 

>>16797138
>>16797131
you're both niggers

>> No.16797165

>>16797160
you gettin replaced by everyone white boi lmao

>> No.16797172

>>16793968
>dickenson
>allan poe
does he fuck up famous writer names on purpose?

>> No.16797198

>>16795425
sup aurini

>> No.16797209

>>16797165
and despite your massive population, not a single nigger has produced anything of value.
you'd think at least one out of however many billion niggers are out there could do something, but no.

>> No.16797225

>>16793318
The guy is obviously delusional about not just his abilities but his entire image of himself. It's not a bad thing for him to shatter and find a better author and person in the wreckage

>> No.16797246

>>16797209
we dont need no creation. we take from whitey, our slave and our bitch lmao invent shit for me faggot

>> No.16797252

>>16794066
>the only advertisement you get is what you can do to advertise it personally
exactly dude. this guys mediocre esl posing has gotten him 100k subscribers through his dedication to the social media aesthetic play-acting game. in the modern day thats it there is to it. who will even read the nyt in 30 years? all i can think about when i see his threads is someone with a tiny amount of fluency in the english language trying to pull the same grift and how theyd be a millionaire by now.

>> No.16797295

>>16793968
>22th of May
Christ in heaven what is this.

And why are the dialogues so cluttered with so many fucking commas, it has no flow at all

>> No.16797301

>>16797246
well now it's apparent that this is bait
you were doing well at first, but this was unrealistic
niggers are too prideful to recognize their own failings
that's why they will never say things like >we dont need no creation. we take from whitey,
you need to do a bit more research in niggerology if you want to write better bait

>> No.16797305

>>16794248
Hemingway was 70% show 30% talk, the tough years for him were his last ones sadly as he couldn't take it. Meanwhile Tolstoy was a noble with an estate worked by his own serfs. I give you Dostoevsky and I don't know anything about Dickens but you sure made me doubt him.

>> No.16797311

>>16792974
that Q: Baby Alex made me kek'd

>> No.16797313

>>16797301
fuck, you got me, mate. I was larping as a negro. I need to up my negro-imitating skills.

>> No.16797337

>>16793459
Why would a Chinese author writing in English pronounce a German name in FRENCH?

>> No.16797352

>>16792974
how did you make this?

>> No.16797369

>>16793459
Mate, he started reading last year. Shit like 1984 and Great Gatsby. He hasn't read neither the Bible nor Hegel, ffs.

>> No.16797392

>>16795419
Oh, no, no, no, no, no!

>> No.16797403

>>16793968
>A thinker with a companion surely is an idea worthy of mockery.
cringe incel cope.

>> No.16797412

James Joyce, Albert Camus, Tolstoy, and Brandon Sanderson seemingly lived/live normal lives without any suffering. Yet they produced timeless works in their fields. All this suffering shit is bullshit.

>> No.16797417

>>16797301
Thank goodness he wasn't a real black guy! Otherwise your fee fees would get hurt. Quite a relief knowing it was just a fellow white only joshing ya!

>> No.16797419

>>16797412
Those guys were well read and/or had talent. Chink here lacks in every department.

>> No.16797426

>>16797337
>Chinese author
He's Australian.

>> No.16797430

>>16797426
Only Anglos are Australian, that queer's Chinese.

>> No.16797442

>>16797430
>Only Anglos are Australian
What about Aboos or everyone who was born on that rock and their ancestors aren't exiled convicts? It's a colonial nation, he's Australian, sorry.

>> No.16797485

his youtube channel stinks with /lit/-core.

>> No.16797495

>>16797305
I don't know about Hemingway but Tolstoys family died when he was young and that really fucked him up. He had alcohol and gambling addiction at a young age and he obviously had some forms of mental illness

>> No.16797500

>>16797442
Abbos are abbos. Australia is an Anglo invention. He's a Chinese immigrant, sorry.

>> No.16797510

>>16797495
>I don't know about Hemingway
Most of his relatives killed themselves.

>> No.16797516

>>16795045
Why are Asian family's ao obsessed with their son becoming a doctor

>> No.16797529

>>16795656
>This kid is going to make BANK off of you retards
His family's stinking rich so it won't make a difference to him

>> No.16797532

>>16795744
>for me, personally, is about vengeance against the trend that treats literature as an aesthetic artifact, because it damages the social value of something I deeply love.

This is it.

>> No.16797555

>>16797516
It's like having your son become a priest way back. It's just a good career that any loving parent would wish on their child without second thought, their son would make a good living and work a respected job free from the toil their own work usually entailed.

>> No.16797564

>>16797412
>James Joyce
Two of his siblings died when he was young and when he was a child a wild dog attacked him making him blind in one eye

>Albert Camus
Grew up poor

>Tolstoy
>>16797495 also he went to war

>Brandon Samderson
No idea about this person.

I'm not saying you need to be aa poor as Dickens or go to war to be a good writing. But you need some sort of life experience.

>> No.16797610

>>16794976
Kafka's books are clearly set in modern times defined by office hours, industrialisation, and alienation. That doesn't mean you can adapt the trial and make it take place in L.A., but general tension of war-ridden Europe vaguely around 1900 fits better. (Waldun's novella takes place in New England when 1959 and 1859 fell on the same year.)

>> No.16797633

>>16797610
*that does NOT mean you CANNOT...
(it has been done, there's a movie)

>> No.16797713

>>16797516
emphasis on studying and most asians countries (until very recently) besides japan have been shitholes so of course they're gonna try to get the most prestigious jobs possible

>> No.16797720

>>16797713
His family's already extremely rich

>> No.16797727

>>16797516
>you and husband work hard and have wealth
>give son great education
>he's studying science
>wait
>he's dropped out?
>he's switching courses to literature?
>he gives up on being a doctor
>now he just writes bad literature and makes YouTube videos

>> No.16797779

>>16797727
I wonder if RC knows he can study science and wear the dark academia cosplay fashion, or at least write novels in Mandarin

>> No.16797986

>>16797779
how kino would a waldun novel in mandarin actually be.
how absolutely polar opposite to kino is waldun in english.

>> No.16797993

>>16797986
or should i say:
how absolutely, polar opposite, to kino, is waldun, in english.

>> No.16798349

>>16797993
kek

>> No.16798815

>>16797986
what makes you think he would have something to say in his mother language?

>> No.16798835

>>16792888
Reminder this guy is being bashed upon because it rightfully reminds people here of themselves. He deserves only passing pity and anyone who has such a visceral response to this esteemed literatuer is a pseud.

>> No.16799203

>>16792888
Should go easy on him. He's young. The mistakes are many but fit a clear pattern of misunderstanding. He will gain self-awareness and improve.

>> No.16799256

>>16798835
We're channeling our hatetress upon an embodied aspect of ourselves that we hate.
It's a catharsis thing. Don't worry, we are aware.

>> No.16799417

>>16792888
nigger faggot chink

>> No.16799464

>>16793251
How did it ended in a scat scene?