/lit/ - Literature

>>16790502
A dumb person's idea of what a smart person is like

Midwit but hard-working psychologist who leveraged his 15-minutes of fame into selling self-help to beta males with fantasies of constructing a cult of personality around him self.

Ultimately, he failed after succumbing to his own depression after being the spokesperson for anti-depressionism, and falling into the lap of the Russian higher-order, who will, for reasons which are not clear to me, ensure Peterson is never relevant again.

>>16790502
He's good, says some helpful things, just dont worship him

>>16790502
Great poser, great grifter, great speaker, great psychologist.

>>16790502
has he gotten better from his eastern-european cold-turkey beef-fueled electra-complex detox coma?

I can see why he would be popular with the general population; he presents ideas from Nietzsche and Jung in an easily understandable way. However, if you aren't an idiot, you should read them instead since he just presents a watered down amalgamation of their ideas without adding any of his own to the mix.

>>16790502
He said there was a definite link between the helix structure of DNA and historical depictions of snakes mating. I think that's all that needs to be said really.

>>16790502
*Kermit voice*: C-clean your room, bucko.

>>16790593
His daughter got knocked up by an insane Stalinist so there's that

Good clinical psychologist, should be disregarded when it comes to anything else.

>>16790502
he the Dawkins for nazis desperate for a father figure

>>16790623
While this was all happening? Wow his family is a mess

>>16790502
A smart person's idea of what a dumb person is like. Peterson filters 99.9% of intellectuals like antibacterial. Ideologically sobering, a voice of common sense. Says little with a lot of words, but nevertheless manages to be insanely insightful. If you know, you know.

>>16790643
He’s a little dry for my taste.He’s like jiddu krishnamurti for brainlets.

>>16790643
>tripfag retard
>likes juden Peterson
Pottery

>>16790640
Its quite the tale

>>16790651
I personally enjoy his rambling and tangent-laden style of speaking because it's close to how I organize my thoughts, but I realize it can be pretty boring.

>>16790659
>hates peterson
>"juden"
Clay jar

>>16790502
charlatan

generic conservative, became famous debating with feminists, and his books are self-help

>>16790668
I actually feel a bit bad for jordan, he should have had a son

>>16790718
He does have a son afaik. He just isn't talked about because he's managed to come out normal for some reason

>>16790668
>his daughter is a whore who dates cringey weirdos
Okay but so what?

His daughter has elektra complex (daddy issues) acts out sexually and latches on to Peterson for attention to fulfill the emptiness, he must have fucked up when raising her. I think it's that his philosophy is not useful for raising women.

>>16790502
Good. Avoid his 12 Rules though. Look up his writings on Christianity and into his lecture series on writing yourself out of your problems.

>>16790748
>I think it's that his philosophy is not useful for raising women.
It is, it's just that he never got around to applying it, since he was too busy working all the time, ironically enogh, about said philosophy

>>16790748
I think someone can have a useful philosophy and a life that's a wreck. Only a child judges a work by the author personal life. His main fault was trusting the substance abuse industry to help instead of harm him. A rookie mistake.

>>16790515
This is a dumb person's idea of what a smart person might think of Peterson.

It was fun to see him become enmeshed with Zizek. I wonder if he'll ever realise his own brand of dated Anglo lib-con sensibilities is the direct cause of the symptoms he has identified.

the feminine chaos is calling from inside the house

>>16790735
i am really curious as to what sort of life his son has led

>>16790748
Clearly your parents were assholes who blah blah blah blah. Imagine thinking that even children don't have free will and a mind and personality of their own. Most kids rebel and take a path opposed to their parents, esp their father. Jeez. Buncha vultures.

>>16790777
Checked. I'm currently listening to his series on Christianity. Its entertaining. Would never read his books, though.

>>16790735
>he's managed to come out normal for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9hW1ez6aA

I mean yeah his paint-by-numbers music is textbook *normal* but he's just as cringe as the rest

>>16790502
Multiple orgasms

>>16790804
>enmeshed with Zizek.
Benzos versus cocaine. Hmm

There is no consensus, but as with most pop philosophers, people do not reason themselves into agreement with him. It is pretty much all his act.
Personally I find it digusting but there is nothing that can be done about this aspect of human nature.

>>16790804
>enmeshed with Zizek
*snort**snifff**snifff*akshuahly the phraszhing izshnt*sniff* enitrierly corekstsh*snort**sniff*

>>16790502
Psued. Just because someone is knowledgable in one field, (psychiatry) does not mean their oppinion in other fields, (politics) should be listenened to.

>>16790869
Maps of meaning is based

He refuted himself.

>presents ideas on personal responsibility
>durrrrrrer he’s not so smart

His self help stuff seems helpful to floundering young men, but politically he never says anything concrete or allows himself to be pinned down to a specific opinion, making it impossible to criticize him on that front. Also far too egotistical and obsessed with being remembered as a 21st century intellectual

>>16790515
>>16790533
Basically this.

There was an article written by the professor that hired him at UofT and he basically said that from the beginning Peterson had fantasies of starting a church.

His politics are just standard basic run of the mill Canadian conservatism, but his innovation was to dress it up with the language of Jung. Actually I think his one genuinely innovative thing was to find a way to package Christianity in a way that had widespread youth appeal.

>>16791027
His unwillingness to be straightforward about his political standings is exactly what you criticize him on. Unfortunately it's difficult to demonstrate that to his followers if they have already projected their own worldview onto him.

>>16790502
I like him. I don't see what the problem is. does he encourage religion?

>>16790502
Someone had a funny meme w Marx about how people won't read him but will read ten books about him to make up their mind. I doubt there's ten books about Jordan Peterson but the same point applies.

>>16790952
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

>>16791074
Great idea. Seeing as I'm currently the resident Peterson shill it's natural I should be the one to add it to the /lit/ meme oeuvre.

>>16790502
The problem with Peterson is like any conservative he believes the political and social system we live under is basically good and is just being corrupted from some bad actors, and we can just make it better by spreading the word and cleaning up our act.
Peterson is very good at this because he delivers the message in a seemingly unique way. But he's doing the same thing as any conservative. His problem with the system isn't that it's wrong, it's that it's not liberal enough. He wants to go back to classical liberalism (industrial revolution) and pretend late liberalism (cancerous entitlement state) is a fluke that can be ironed out by telling people to sort themselves out when the problem is so much bigger than Peterson himself will even admit.

>>16790502
his struggle was kino, for lack of a better word

>>16790623
>>16790668
She divorced this guy after their child was born and ran off to fuck Chad for a year or so. But she's back with the Russian guy now.

>>16791112
based

>>16791112
Well done. Well done. Have a gif of Alf.

>>16790745

Perhaps he should have practiced what he preached, is the fucking point?
Maybe what you say about the Chaos Dragon Feminine should be taken with a grain of salt when you end up raising the most Chaotic Dragon Daughter there's ever been?
She's clearly gonna kill her kid. Give it another year at max.

>>16791703
Holy fuck her face looks so much like Peterson. Having sex with her would feel like I am fucking Peterson.

>>16790502
A light based for making the lefties seethe as he exposed how many of them function, and for also introducing people to a variety of literary classics that we aren’t normally taught about in school. But I just see him as a figure that you should grow out of after he makes you start to question things

>>16791720
kek same thoughts here

>>16791741
>imagine her orgasming telling you "fuck me daddy, cum in me daddy" in Peterson's kermit voice

>>16791751
10/10 would cum

>>16791751
>>16791751
If you think sex is about cumming, you're wrong. It's not! Sex is about exploring the cave of the dragon in order to save yourself from eternal damnation, by exploring the fabric of society, that is to say velvety insides of a female. Cleaning your room is just an allegory meaning you should wash your dick before sex. Sex is not easy. It's hard. You know what else is hard. Dick!?. You should place yourself in her shoes, feeling the constant poking of her insides with a hard rod. It's like the jaws of chaos, constantly grabbing you and you trying to get out in order to preserve order, that is to say not to cum. You think this comes naturally, but it doesn't. The Christian archettypes all allude to the same thing, that sex is hard. You should therefore man up, bucko.

>>16791793
I almost shat myself lmao
>>16790502
Peterson is the gateway drug into philosophy

>>16791793
ajajajajaja

>>16790502
Retard

>>16791312
>The problem with Peterson is like any conservative he believes the political and social system we live under is basically good and is just being corrupted from some bad actors, and we can just make it better by spreading the word and cleaning up our act.
That's not conservatism, that is boomerism.

>>16790668
The fact she got knocked up by some type of human perversion of Peterson's works makes it even funnier.

>>16791793

Read it in his voice.
It is perfect.

Based but fans are cringe

>>16790748
Didn't she suffer from arthritis for years as a kid? I think it resulted in her adopting amoral hedonistic mindset later as an adult.

>>16790502
Juden peterstein

>>16790643
>Says little with a lot of words, but nevertheless manages to be insanely insightful.
Tripfaggots lmao, filtered

>>16790668
Based Stalinist

>>16791038
>There was an article written by the professor that hired him at UofT and he basically said that from the beginning Peterson had fantasies of starting a church.

link

>>16792107
What will you do when the trip doesn't fag and you still have to contend with the big P appearing in your (You)s?

>>16790502
Zionist who is ultimately bad for the right. I did enjoy his series "Psychological Significance of the Bible Stories."

>>16790778
he didn't clean his room

a good psychologist

>>16790635
Dawkins is for who?

I like him, introduced me to a ton of authors I would have never been reading (Jung, Dostoevsky, etc.). His lectures are nice to listen to but don't think he should be worshipped like a God.

>>16790502
It was an embarrassment when Zizek made Peterson look as stupid as himself. It's really hard to recover from such virulent retardation

>>16792262
libtards desperate for a father figure

>>16791703
Look at that fat little gremlin

>>16790502
I think his self-help stuff has value for people that need it.

>>16790502
Bee's knees and based beyond all of conception.
4chan's resident philosopher king.

>>16791432
I hope she drinks her sparkling wahtur and doesn’t complain
https://youtu.be/WOOoGQ-VzE4

at this point i wonder if he is on a level of midwit where he is aware but realises the danger of going further, or he could be just stupid

>>16791112
You’re not alone, I also like Peterson. He’s a clinical psychologist who gives a lot of good advice on how to be more productive in your life.

Also the comments saying he’s a dumb person’s idea of a smart person doesn’t make sense. He’s written some Dostoevskyean shit about human nature, enlightenment values, how we can’t create our own values, how happiness is not the point of life, and so on. I don’t think dumb people think about those things.

Why is he always doing analogies with kids movies and disney stuff?

Lot of people on this board actively want to hate Peterson. They look for reasons and try to rationalize putting him in a bad light. It reminds me of right wingers who try to hate Chomsky without having read him, all because they were told to hate him.

To bring up Peterson’s advice, “Stop saying things you know aren’t true.” Like when the haters say he’s a drug addict, they know that’s not true; a 30 second google search will show what actually happened. But they’ll say it anyway because it makes him look bad. Even Zizek says that he likes Peterson and admires his work as a psychologist, despite his disagreements; that’s because Zizek has some intellectual honesty to him.

>>16793797
He is a sucker for jungian stuff and tries to teach those ideas.
You can't really trust a crowd to be familiar with mythology/bible so he has to search for archetypes elsewere. Prette much everyone knows Disney so it's a solid choice even if seems silly

>>16793797
Their archetypical nature stays with us through life - since we always carry the archetypes within us. Makes for a really poignant case when he strips them down to their symbolism!

>>16790502
He's an okayish self help guru with a mildly conservative bent and a delusion of being some kind of savior. He had his 15 minutes of fame during hysteria around the far right, so he was branded as a fascist and his ego forced him to continue participating in culture wars he frankly had no place in. This eventually consumed him.

>>16793782
>he's a dumb mans smart person
>if u think hes smart then ur dumb
its a childish insult thinly masked, You see the same weak trick pulled often unfortunately.

Metaphysics cant be viewed through a phenomenological lens, he reduces everything to human experience. Disavows materialists but himself is a reductionist and behaviorist.
Probably had something to do with his pill addiction.

>>16790668
if a god exists, he's a funny bastard

>>16790502
Who? (serious question)

>>16794111
>b-but I can't stop people from being assholes, I have to respect their free choice
the ABSOLUTE STATE of the divine being

>>16791112
I hate Bryan so much

>>16793854
A physical addiction makes you an addict. Thats the only real addiction there is, psychological addiction is a joke. End of story.
If he was so smart he should have known to stay well away from that shit but nope he kept popping benzos like mentos.

>>16790777
>his lecture series on writing yourself out of your problems
Is this one actually intelligible? I've listened to a few lectures, and he's mostly a rambling, incoherent mess.

>>16790777
What's wrong with 12 rules? Everyone ITT shits on his self-help and I don't know why. He wouldn't have gotten popular if his father figure persona wasn't in demand.

>>16790502
HE liberal, dats cring mayn

>>16790502
the maps of meaning lectures/book is great, I explanation of the orienting reflex based on the suppression of an ever present fear is one of the most interesting ideas for any arm chair psychologist. People love to complain about his politics but the mans a psychologist, and his psychology writing is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Xc2_FtpHI

>watch peterson videos
https://youtu.be/IvBm0ZUfe7I
>tip fedora to computer
>turn insecurity into hating men with high onions intake

>>16794275
it's a dumb self-help book. Peterson does well in presenting and contextualizing other peoples ideas, but his own writing is much less differentiated. maps of meaning is also an example of that.

>>16790668
>>16791432
>>16791703
peterson was retroactively refuted by instagram

>>16794367
Maps of meaning was good. The ideas were interesting and well explored.

>>16794398
I read history and origins of consciousness and Jungs Man and his symbols because of Peterson, and both are much more lucid than his attempt at mimicking them. and I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything.

>>16794304
>muh book sales rambling, airport bookstore real estate
>bro like i have a real unique quirk where if someone does something extreme i like put myself in their shoes and imagine the scenario to end up doing something extreme.. like woah and thats scary
is there anything worthwhile past the 30 minute mark or more of this?

>>16794392

Didn't she post her pharmacy receipt at some point, with some STD medication listed on it?

> this is a totally normal pic to send to your dad

He would have sold out and sided with the Nazis if push came to shove. He comes off as reactionary and cowardly

>>16794428
so do you mean you dont like peterson because you think Jung and Neumann write about the same concepts better? Or are these books supposed to retort and disprove maps of meaning?

>>16794491
the former

I like him. Don't always agree with him but I think he's spell spoken and reasonable.

>>16790502
he is you in the future.

>>16794478
He’s too cowardly to be a reactionary, but yeah you’re probably right

>>16791874
No, that's just conservatism. "Boomerism" isn't a thing.

>>16794275
>What's wrong with 12 rules?
It's terribly written, first of all.

It seems to me, he found a purpose in life: try to make most people life is better.
Saying the obvious, better, not for everyone. In sincerity and humility.

>>16794275
>a good chunk of it is Peterson bragging about how smart and clever he is
>the vast majority is anecdotes
>the rest is either bizarre tangents or pretending that 1950's gender norms are the solution
His 'advice' isn't bad, but the way he justifies it is incredibly poor
I'd have been more ok with him, but then he started appearing on PragerU

>>16791703
Is she using her daughter as "the ugly friend" to make herself look prettier? Damn, she will grow up fucked.

>>16790515
He's smart though. Definitely genius level IQ.

There's millions of geniuses in the world though (people with over 140 IQ), so it doesn't make him special.

>>16790643
Cringe

>>16790651
> Krishnamurti
Their philosophies are not even remotely similar.

>>16790748
What's his philosophy?

>>16790785
He knew what he was doing. Nobody tricked him. YOU sound like a child.

>>16790502
Jordan Peterson is evil and stupid. He has a daughter and says, “We are here to suffer so learn to suffer like a man.” A potential paradise could be like a never ending DMT trip with the constant pleasure level of heroin. If you get bored then it’s not paradise. There don’t even have to be human bodies. His is just a severe lack of imagination. And there is no sense in which suffering or mediocrity create meaning. All the meaning you need would be packaged into the paradise experience. But I am not experiencing such meaning and perhaps never will. That’s why despite the abundant grace and mercy I think I am not subject to a fully benevolent God. Perhaps God is like Jordan Peterson and I therefore consider him my enemy.

>>16795195
His purpose is to prevent white men from organizing. His goal is to end Western Civilization and the European people.

>>16796023
lmao shut it

>>16790902
>>16790804
>>16790952
>>16791082
Ironically benzos are used to treat cocaine intoxication and JP went head first into benzo withdrawal, how many IQ points he's lost in the process only time will tell.

>>16796067
No. It is YOU that sounds like a child, my child like CHILD. Judging is based on who says them is the definition, the pinneof stupidity. Child.

>>16790502
Always laugh about you trying vehemently to discredit this man. The best proof of his ignorance and insignificance is the amount of cope created by mentioning his name.

>>16790515
So the American Steven Fry?

>>16790502
A useless 21st century Tony Robbins

He's really stupid. I don't mean if he has read books or if he can understand some ideas. He has huge prejudices that render him super inflexible and blind.

It's baffling how successful irl people went to his psych practice without intuiting he's a hack

>>16796070
I feel like Ive seen this post before.

He got a mitwit like me from youtube into Neetcha then plato and had me end up here where anon posted Ashtavakra Gita. Interesting trip so far so I thank the guy

>>16790502
>>16791112
As always these threads are full of people who are eager to criticize someone they almost nothing about. Of course /lit/ has always been and will always be like this.
>>16794478
Lol a massive chunk of what he talks about is how to avoid being the kind of person to side with nazis, or even communists for that matter. I can instantly tell you don't listen to him or read his books, which is absolutely typical.

>>16790502
You shouldn't give you opinion on subjects except if you are absolutely solid on those. Especially if you pretend to be a public figure.
This is also valid on the internet.

>>16790502
Doesn't name the jew, therefore will never make it.
Occasionally insightful though.

>>16797247
>He has huge prejudices that render him super inflexible and blind.
Like literally every single person on the face of the earth, lmao.

>>16797649
Read Plato and understand what Socrates schtick is.

My feelings and thoughts are very mixed on this man.
I followed him as a contrarian teenager, then I sort of grew up and expanded My world view and outgrew him. I feel like he can be a decent stepping Stone for young men to graduate from, but only if they drop his order and chaos bullshit.
On the other hand, once I saw through his wordy veils, and realized he was heavily strawmanning all his opponents all along.
He doesnt know shit about marxism, post modernism or anything really outside his Neetszche or Jung. This irritates me greatly, both because I followed a charlatan, but also because if one doesnt outgrow him, they will have a warped view of most philosophy.
His followers are a hit and miss, either they are cringy "own the feminists/sjw's" types, or they actually follow his advice and want to stay open and discuss different things. This is the Best case scenario, that they inevitably expose themself to different theories and hopefully grow from it.
Very mixed about Peterson, however he popularised Zizek into the mainstream, which is a huge plus.

>>16797835
>he popularised Zizek into the mainstream, which is a huge plus.
Hardly, Zizek is literally just Peterson for leftists. Same lack of substance. Same problem with understanding the criticisms must come with solutions or at least the embryos of them.

>>16790515
this is the most trite, stupid, uninspired, meaningless thing you can say about him. its ridiculousness borders on parody at this point

>>16790502
>200 years together

>>16797860
Your breath reeks of peterson cum

>>16795204
sounds like a taleb book

>>16790502
Any writer who takes inspiration from Nietzsche is most likely full of shit.

>>16790593
He experienced brain damage

>>16790607
Hahaha I know this

>>16797838
Asking questions is more important than knowing dogmatic answers.

>>16790502
Wrote a self-help book with basic advice like 'Clean your room', 'Respect your father'' or 'Get your shit together, you're in your 20s, holy shit.'
Half the internet actually took the advice and the other half sent him death threats.

>>16790515
So what do you think a smart person is like?

>>16790502
I have read about half of his book before I dropped him. He makes the assumption you're a loser with no discipline and that's the cause of all your "problems", which he also assumes fall within the spectrum of "lack of success", as defined by industrial society. If you are not any of the things he assumes you are, he comes off as the out of touch boomer who tells you to look 'em in the eye and shake their hand firmly so you'll get that job and live the rest of your life getting pay raises and daily blowjobs from your 8/10 housewife.
Turns out I was more disciplined than him all along because I never had to detox from an addiction. The only thing I do against my desire is checking this shit site and wasting time on posts where I call people faggots.

he tried to argue with the zizek bot that says enough about his intelligence

Everyone liked him until there was a massive concerted effort to trash him and everyone fell for the propaganda
It all happened within the span of a week

>>16800473
>Turns out I was more disciplined than him all along because I never had to detox from an addiction.
>implying level of discipline depends on whether you've had to take benzos
How are you not just committing the same fallacy you're trying to point out in Peterson here? Retarded line of reasoning.
>He makes the assumption you're a loser with no discipline and that's the cause of all your "problems"

>>16791008
on what?

>>16792100
Begone you cowardly bully

>>16790533
>Ultimately, he failed after succumbing to his own depression after being the spokesperson for anti-depressionism, and falling into the lap of the Russian higher-order, who will, for reasons which are not clear to me, ensure Peterson is never relevant again.
So is Nietzsche irrelevant now? An author's chaotic life does not discredit his work.

>>16800991
Well I do take benzos but I have never become addicted, unlike him. Also unlike him, I do not blame unhappy people for being cast aside by a flawed system, I blame the system. When this man fails to walk the talk, yes I will point the finger.

>>16801261
At leadt Nietzsche was original.
Peterson doesn't have any unique ideas to offer, he is only popular because young men see him as a father figure, it's the person and not philisophy. Turns out he is not such a great person afterall.

>>16801352
Well, my accusation regarding addiction stands. You blame the guy for getting addicted to benzos, implying he just wasn't disciplined enough by holding that you're more disciplined than him. You can blame Peterson for being a hypocrite but in arguing it you're also cutting yourself off at the knees. You taking benzos and getting off easy does not entail the circumstance would be the same for Peterson. You say you don't blame unhappy people for being cast aside by a flawed system, but you won't think the same of Peterson?

>>16790576
This

>>16790502
idk

>>16801261
I would argue, yes. For similar reasons, that both failed to live up to their own philosophies. Nietzsche should be considered irrelevant because he clearly envisioned himself as, and postured as the Ubermensch, while being a sickly and effeminate man, who couldn't even convince the woman he loved to love him back. But I hate Nietzsche, so I am too biased to speak fairly on the topic.

>>16801393
You don't have to reinvent the wheel or do a groundbreaking discovery to be a good intellectual. Jordan is a pedagogical genius, he has talent with the new medium (youtube), and he knows Nietzsche, Freud and Jung really well. He applies those three in the contemporary world and it's problem perfectly.

>>16790502
I like his lectures/talks, got me out of my STEM-major-induced autism, helped me better get along with other people, and I appreciate that he acts as a summarizer of ideas, that makes him interesting to listen to, even if he gets too preachy at times.
I guess I like him because to me he's both engaging and accessible.

>>16801431
>both failed to live up to their own philosophies.
The purpose of an intellectual/priest/shaman is to guide the general population. He has to remove himself from the tribe to correctly diagnose it and to find solutions. That's why those in the priestly caste are celibate, secluded and live an ascetic lifestyle. The lifestyle of the intellectual often differs very much from the lifestyle he recommends the general population to have.

>>16801699
A commander who does not eat with his men is no commander.

>>16801714
commander =/= preist.

>>16801714
The commander is the alpha male. The intellectual is the freak who takes psychedelics and masturbaites in the forest.

>>16790515
fpbp

>>16796023
iq typically means nothing, ie most 115-120 people are insufferable pretentious twats, and genius iq is anything above 130 not 140
and it doesnt matter if he has 500 iq if what hes saying is dumb theres no difference

>>16791812
>gateway drug into philosophy
This is a dangerous thing many believe, but reading a summary of Nietzsche or one of his works, Aurelius' meditations and a Wikipedia article on stoicism is not philosophy.

>>16790502
Microsoft Dad Simulator Has Crashed

>>16800991
>on whether you've had to take benzos
No one "has" to take benzos. He knew that there were no positives only negatives yet he was still taking enough to create a physical dependency.

>>16790804
>I wonder if he'll ever realise his own brand of dated Anglo lib-con sensibilities is the direct cause of the symptoms he has identified.
To admit that he was saying political bullshit for his entire career?

Even if he did he can't not double down.

>>16791008
>Maps of meaning is based
needs more DIALECTICS

>>16801402
>You blame the guy for getting addicted to benzos, implying he just wasn't disciplined enough by holding that you're more disciplined than him.
I am holding him to the standards HE set. He would be the first - if he were honest - to blame himself for his lack of discipline.

>>16802647
accurate depiction of the visual AIDS in Memes of Memeing

>>16800413
Not wasting his life away as a professor/father, for starters.

>>16802670
>>16802647

seriously... you can't put "Maps" in your book title and then include visuals THAT bland, shitty and confusing

I'd love to see washyerPenison draw and label driving directions

he st00pid

>>16796144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo
based schizo poster

>>16802751
based schizo poster

>>16790502

>>16790576
this

his lectures before his rise to fame are very good and are still on youtube.

that being said, the cult of personality surrounding him is beyond retarded. the same people who listen to fucking Ben Shapiro and view debate as a sport.

>>16802654
>I am holding him to the standards HE set
You privilege having your expressed worldview "proved" at others' detriment over acting out said worldview. If all it takes for you to give up your worldview of "I don't blame the unhappy people" is for somebody to be haughty then you're arguably being incredibly unprincipled. I don't see why I should take what you say seriously.

>>16802810
Wait a minute - does it matter what MY worldview is?
If I apply my worldview to him, he proves that the system breaks a disciplined man and he's wrong for telling me my issues are due to lack of discipline
If I apply his own worldview to him, he proves that his method doesn't stand a chance against the system and he's wrong for telling me my issues are due to lack of discipline.
You cannot expect me to follow the words of someone who cannot put into action the very concepts he teaches.

>>16802847
>Wait a minute - does it matter what MY worldview is?
Yes. It's in a sense the only important thing. And ESPECIALLY so when the accusations in question rest on the person's own credibility as in your case. Everyone gives advice, but few practice what they preach. I urge you to re-read my first post open-mindedly to see why I think you're committing to an unavoidable hypocricy.

>>16802751
>petersons rant at 14 minutes in response to individualism
what a clown. sounds like hes about to piss and shit himself, maybe cum.

>>16790870
You do realize that isn't his son.

Honestly his classroom lectures continue to help me even years later. If he gets something wrong on postmodernism or some guy called facts_over_feelings_99 cuts him into compilation on destroying libtards then so be it, it doesn't delegitimise the good material he's put out

>>16802647
this is an edit. right?

>>16802878
Ok, let's honestly recap and scrap previous posts.
I am me, depressed/failure/etc. live in monk-like confinement, angry at the industrial system for creating slaves and killing those who won't submit because they have different goals.
Jordan Peterson has this book, I get it. Book is chock full with patronizing assumptions about me and my lifestyle. There is not a single thing he tells me to fix that I do not have already under control. His idea of "success" is implicitly that which is designed by the industrial system, according to the values of the industrial system.
If his book were named "How to be successful in the industrial system" I'd probably rate it higher, but he claims his book is about "life" so I drop it.
Let's not talk about the benzos. Maybe he was just smeared. Why would I care about his book? In what way does he challenge my world view if he starts off with assumptions that in my case are simply wrong?
If you are a man who is undisciplined, directionless, etc. and your issue is that you cannot be successful within the system then the book is probably good self-help. If you hate the system and your issue is not that you are unable to play the game right but instead that you don't want to play the game at all, or play by different rules or gain something else from winning the game, then the book is complete schlock.

>>16802921
same, it's just important not to idolise him.

>>16802968
the fact that you even had to ask makes it even more hilarious

>>16802974
12 Rules is an extended platitudinous blogpost

Faps of Memeing has some genuine insight but it's mitigated and obfuscated by page after page of repetitive dreck and shitty line-drawing visual AIDS

>>16797860
it's like his body of work lmao

>>16802974
>Book is chock full with patronizing assumptions about me and my lifestyle.
Why are they patronizing to you?
>His idea of "success" is implicitly that which is designed by the industrial system, according to the values of the industrial system.
Why does the implication that you don't fit into 'the industrial system' invoke anger? It seems pretty pointless, if you think the book useless from the outset, being part of the system and all, to get mad at it for saying you're not part of it, and attempting to address you from that perspective. Afterall, you already know this.
>he claims his book is about "life" so I drop it.
Life for the most part is about the society you live in, for most people. 12 Rules for life was written with the normalfaggot in mind. If you don't see yourself as part of that group, as you seem to express, then you should see it fit to not react to the books' addressing that group. If you see Peterson as part of the system, you ought to see it fit to ignore him as a mechanical part of the system, not an independent and free actor to be "refuted".
>Why would I care about his book? In what way does he challenge my world view if he starts off with assumptions that in my case are simply wrong?
>If you are a man who is undisciplined, directionless, etc. and your issue is that you cannot be successful within the system then the book is probably good self-help. If you hate the system and your issue is not that you are unable to play the game right but instead that you don't want to play the game at all, or play by different rules or gain something else from winning the game, then the book is complete schlock.
These are both fair points, but as I've hopefully established by now you have no reason to be angry or justification for attempting to engage with the book negatively in the first place if it's clear to you it's wrong about you and your existence from the outset don't fit into said schema. You give your opinion about Peterson in a fairly normalfag manner.

>>16801393
Nobody is truly original.

Also, you can't compare him to Nietzsche. That's like comparing a random post modernist painter with Leonardo DaVinci or a High School psychics teacher with Isaac Newton.

>>16801402
But the guy you're answering is not a self help guru. He doesn't preach and tell people how to live. Can't you see why that changes the situation? Peterson charge you money to teach you his stuff.

>>16801699
But Peterson didn't abstain. He indulged completely. That's the opposite of a traditional priest of spiritual teacher.

>>16801821
Yeah, I didn't say otherwise. I never said Peterson said good things.

>>16801823
Ok so what is "philosophy" then?

>>16803086
>Why are they patronizing to you?
They assume I lack introspection and I failed to consider that I might be my own issue, when I have actually put the blame inwards for years because of what society told me. That is patronizing, especially since I do not know the man and he does not know me. There are no "ifs" in the book, the just assumes you are lazy, directionless and undisciplined.
>Why does the implication that you don't fit into 'the industrial system' invoke anger?
Because I have very clear goals in mind and these goals are pretty much made impossible by the current configuration of society. I do not lack skills or knowledge or competence or education, the system simply put a bureaucratic and economic wall between me and my goals for no real reason than preventing anybody from escaping its glorified hamster wheel.
>If you don't see yourself as part of that group, as you seem to express, then you should see it fit to not react to the books' addressing that group.
I am frustrated that these assumptions are so ingrained in society that a self-help guru would take them for granted. I expected a man who writes a book geared for "life" to have a broader scope in mind than the life of normalfags who want to advance in a company.
>you have no reason to be angry
I actually do, though I'm not that angry. The man and his followers wasted my time and duped me into reading useless self-help I normally avoid.

>>16803320
>Can't you see why that changes the situation?
No, I can't. Or rather, I intentionally choose not to. I'm not so concerned with the social implications of anon's point as I am pointing out his own ethical character, which in my mind ought to be addressed before any outward critique has any validity, hence my accusations of hypocricy.

>>16803413
Dude
>guy sells me a book
>calls me a lazy bum millennial and tells me platitudes that do not apply to me in any way
>does not get one thing right
>does not address my issue
>shows that he can't do what he preaches, which I happen to value from a teacher
>I decide to drop him
How am I a hypocrite? You could have said I am short-sighted, or maybe that I did not read the book attentively, but where is the hypocrisy? If I look at him from my point of view I am at fault, if I look at him from his own point of view I am at fault, what is the correct way of interpreting advice? You either try to use the advice to challenge your world view or you look at how the other world view challenges problems you couldn't solve. In both cases I see no reason to change my world view.

>>16803391
You see yourself as being outside of society but still reflect on it, and attach your emotions to it as if you were part of it. I'll reiterate: You give your opinion about Peterson in a fairly normalfag manner.
>I expected a man who writes a book geared for "life" to have a broader scope in mind than the life of normalfags who want to advance in a company.
Again, if you think that his conception of "life" is that of life in industrial society, you have no reason to be mad about it. You still see yourself as part of society, and that's why you're mad that he raises objections to your current way of life.
>Because I have very clear goals in mind and these goals are pretty much made impossible by the current configuration of society.
If you well and truly consider them impossible then from the outset it's irrational to be angry about the state of things.
>They assume I lack introspection and I failed to consider that I might be my own issue, when I have actually put the blame inwards for years because of what society told me.
Hatred does nothing good, you're headed down an arguably immoral road. Relativism be cursed, I can't convince you of this but I'll leave it up in the air for you to consider nevertheless. The rebuke isn't to my benefit though it might seem that way, it's for yours - but you'll have to seriously consider it to see why I think that's the case. If you can't get beyond me, and see the benefit that's waiting for you, I really couldn't give less of a shit. I'm just here to test my rhetoric anyway, so by all means do denounce my advice as useless drivel from an anon on 4ching.

>>16803462
You, first of all, remain insistent that his worldview doesn't apply to you, but still remain mad that he "wasted your time" somehow. If you don't see how this is useless, I can tell you right now that it is - you gain nothing from it, and in any case you're better off moving beyond whatever you're actually mad about. Second of all, you're for some reason concerned with HIS sins, which you, again, have no grounds for assessing, given that YOUR getting off benzos being painless, does not entail that HIS getting off benzos will be painless on any conceivable grounds whatsoever. Neither does being concerned about what he does grant you ANY benefit whatsoever. I really do not give a shit if you think the issue lies with industrial society - go plant some mail bombs if that's the case. Uncle Ted gave you clear instructions as to what to do. IF NOT, and you're just painting other colors over a more personal problem, I recommend you take the fucking advice and do some genuine introspection, and try find what it is that keeps you so preoccupied with 'industrial society'.

>>16803413
But anons character doesn't matter. The subject matter is Jordan Peterson, not anon. The fact is the Jordan (Juden) is telling people to do things that he himself is unable to do. That's dishonest. The anon you replied to did not do that. Anon was honest and said he takes bensos, and he didn't say that YOU can't because then you're weak. Juden says you can't have an opinion if your "room isn't clean". But Judens room wasn't clean either. So he's a hypocrite and a liar.

>>16790502
he's not that bad, he has good points and interesting insights, but a lot of what he says is either fucking insane or conservative propaganda

>>16790502
the incel whisperer

can't wait for his inevitable bout with zizek again

>>16803524
I do not desire to achieve the goals that the industrial society set for me simply because I am at odds with it and I think about it. You are not suddenly Chinese if China sends a missile in the US and destroys your house and you are concerned about it. What kind of reasoning is that? Why do you even care if I am angry or not? I don't want to murder Peterson by reaching him in Russia and lending him my bottle of Xanax so he can instantly snort its contents with a twisty straw and OD, I didn't make a vodoo doll of Peterson that I stab every time I think about washing my penis. I just said he's sort of a hack and I wrote a few posts about why I think so. I just like talking about things and giving my opinion about things, including things that I dislike. You seem to be pussyfooting around "rent free" or some other meme.
I also don't "hate" myself. I never mention the word hatred in the post you quoted.
You tell me I am concerned with his sins when I am actually concerned with his method. You call me a hypocrite but you do not address why. You just say I shouldn't be "mad" as if I had a chip on my shoulder. Of course we're talking about this topic. I will forget about it as soon as I close this window.
I don't get your posts.

His hot takes on every topic other than Psych (still arguable) are around first year undergraduate level.

>>16803706
>I do not desire to achieve the goals that the industrial society set for me simply because I am at odds with it and I think about it.
Okay, and did I ask?

>I also don't "hate" myself. I never mention the word hatred in the post you quoted.
There was no mention of self-hatred, that's an erroneous inference on your part. To my knowledge, you dislike (or hate, as I put it) 'industrial society'. That's what I've been working with from the start.

>You are not suddenly Chinese if China sends a missile in the US and destroys your house and you are concerned about it.
No, that's not what I'm saying, either. Here you clearly establish China as outside the US from the outset. In the other case, with 'industrial society' you see yourself as both part of and apart from it. You consider yourself consciously apart from it, critiquing it for being 'against your goals', but also being emotionally attached to what you see as being 'impossible to change'. You see the insurmountable enemy as being both inside and outside the body within which you live. If you see an insurmountable enemy everywhere why don't you just give up?
>Why do you even care if I am angry or not?
I really don't. See >>16803524
>"I'm just here to test my rhetoric anyway, so by all means do denounce my advice as useless drivel from an anon on 4ching."
>"The rebuke isn't to my benefit though it might seem that way, it's for yours"

>You call me a hypocrite but you do not address why.
I've clearly pointed out why but we can argue back and forth whether you're ignoring what I said, so I won't care to answer you on this.

>You just say I shouldn't be "mad" as if I had a chip on my shoulder. Of course we're talking about this topic. I will forget about it as soon as I close this window.
The psyche isn't so simple, anon. We've somehow divulged into a discussion of 'industrial society', of which Peterson is a mouthpiece. Your opinion of Peterson has roots in something beyond him and what you think of his fucking self-help book. Sure you'll forget me but I'd contend what I'm talking about won't leave you alone.
>You seem to be pussyfooting around "rent free" or some other meme.
I'll tell you what I really think: Peterson doesn't just live rent free in your head, you're paying him to live there. Not him as a person, but what he represents.

>I don't get your posts.
Well, that's understandable, but I do hope you'll give them some thought. Something might click.

>>16803524
This is fucking cringe.

>>16803690
Peterson still wouldn’t have read a single page of marxist theory lmao. That was unbelievably embarrassing barassing

>>16790502
“Zionist stooge funded by the UN”

>>16803830
>In the other case, with 'industrial society' you see yourself as both part of and apart from it.
Would the example "I live in an oppressive totalitarian state, I want to escape" fit this better as it's less absurd? One who wants to escape has to deal with the totalitarian state. It doesn't mean the individual does not want to escape. That's my relationship with the industrial society. I see no hypocrisy in the simple fact I have to deal with its existence.
Anon, I honestly think you're just trying to get (you)s. Don't be like that. And if you're not doing that, I think you're trying way too hard to deconstruct me ideas to say "gotcha". Yes of course this conversation won't "leave me" because I don't have amnesia, and my opinion of a man's self-help book is rooted in a pre-existing world view. And? I don't understand where you are trying to get.

>>16803889
>Would the example "I live in an oppressive totalitarian state, I want to escape" fit this better as it's less absurd?
Well, it's more honest for one, but doesn't really help me. Good on you, though.

>I see no hypocrisy in the simple fact I have to deal with its existence.
No hypocricy in that in and of itself. The point is more subtle and at this point I'm not really intent on convincing you anymore.

>I don't understand where you are trying to get.
I've stated my intent honestly, it's to try my hand at convincing rhetoric. It's basically this
>I think you're trying way too hard to deconstruct me ideas to say "gotcha"
I've been doing this off and on for the last year or so. I want to understand people in the general sense, I want to know what works, what's convincing and what isn't, and I wanna know what generates the human condition. The 'industrial society' being the wretched organ is just one of many explanations I've heard.

>Yes of course this conversation won't "leave me" because I don't have amnesia
That's enough for me.

>my opinion of a man's self-help book is rooted in a pre-existing world view. And? I don't understand where you are trying to get.
Hopefully you will.

>>16790502
>self-help guru
>gets addicted to drugs
>goes to rehab in russia
>self-help guru can't even help himself

>>16801261
it absolutely does discredit their work lmao

>>16803086
>>16803524
>>16803830
>>16803969
Why are petersonposters so bloody incoherent? 0/10 posts, each and all of them. Like the other poster said, wtf is your point

>>16804010
They sound like him.

>>16804010
It's too subtle for any of you, well, as of yet anyway. I'm enlightened by my intelligence so I don't expect you to understand. There's gonna be a day, maybe, possibly, but it's not right now. The brow needs waxing and the shoes shining, first.

He reminds me of Robert Greene a lot; collects a lot of information and summarizes it, despite how obvious it may be to people who already get the points. Good gateway into more meaningful concepts. The only difference is that at least Greene's work is more encompassing, entertaining, and practical.

>>16790502

don't make me say it

>>16804010
Jordan Peterson has really dumb fans. I admit that during my younger years in college I enjoyed his content, but eventually I grew past it. His fans are in the same situation as him, just grasping at the ‘teachings’ about meaning, meaning being the purpose of life. the interesting thing about Peterson’s philosophy is that he believes everything he says passionately because he is depressed and he uses his philosophy as sort of an ideology to defeat depression. Peterson’s biggest achievements imo are introducing a variety of literature to people who otherwise wouldn’t be exposed to them. and owning the libtards/democrats

>>16803889
Bro, just look into Buddhism (or Stoicism if you want an OK Western substitute). This shit is all in your mind.

>>16804142
Done, but I don't see how the ideology will save me from slavery. Monks can afford to be monks because they go to a monastery to live with other monks and have a role as monks.
>why can't you do be a monk
I cannot for reasons I do not control.

>>16804164
*go to be
The flaw with these philosophies is that they assume you can actually practice them in a non-butchered form. Within industrial society this is pretty much impossible. You cannot be a (serious) Buddhist and at the same time function in this society. It's the reason why Catholicism is dying and Islam will die for the Muslims who come here just the same: serving the industrial society is priority number 1 and because of that, your society and your life cannot truly be built around values other than those of the industrial society.
You make a child and you've made nothing but a servant of the system. It's horrifying.

>>16797835
Are you aware that Zizek had twenty books, two movies, and a position at Birkbeck before Jordan Peterson ever dared write a sternly worded letter to whatever troika he was doubleplus unhappy at?

>>16804164
Greek philosopher (stoic) Epictetus was born into slavery and was beaten so bad by his master that he became handicapped. As he was freed as a middle aged man he started teaching and people listened. He never became a broken man.

You can't control what happens to you. But you can try to control how you react to those things.

All this shit that happens in the world won't affect you unless you let it.

>>16797938
>>16803033
>>16790515
oh, good one. now tell me, what the fuck could anyone possibly mean by "a dumb person's idea of a smart person"?

do you mean he reads a lot, writes and speaks fairly articulately, is consumed by abstract ideas, is a university professor? yes, that's what a stupid person probably imagines smart people are like.

or do you mean more specifically, that his beliefs and writings are what a stupid person imagines a smart person believes and writes? i find it very hard to believe that a stupid person thinks smart people write what peterson writes about the mythic feminine chaos dragon, postmodernism, and whatever the fuck else he mentions, because stupid people don't think about that shit.

or, is this just a pathetic, somewhat-clever sounding veil over a basic fucking insult of the guy? if you want to call him stupid, just fucking call him stupid, and state the problems you have with his beliefs. don't make some worthless fucking comment like this, because it adds absolutely nothing, means almost nothing, and just exposes you as a uninsightful, unthinking shitter who regurgitates secondary bullshit he reads online.

there are PLENTY of things to criticise peterson for. i'm not a big peterson fan at all. but if you're going to use an insult, at least come up with one that makes sense

>>16791720
>Having sex with her would feel like I am fucking Peterson

A couple years ago over half this board would’ve paid good money for that.

>>16805305
Dude he is dumb
As dumb as they come
As dumb as you

Introduced me to Jung which got me into psychology and the occult, he's based af.

>>16804378
>As he was freed as a middle aged man he started teaching and people listened.
and this is why Greek society was a better society than ours
I will likely never have my bones broken by my masters, but this has changed exclusively so they can justify life-long slavery. I will never be freed.
Will I be able to talk? Yes, but nobody will listen.

>>16790804
This is a smart persons idea of what a dumb person might think a smart person is like as a dumb person.

>>16790502
Another guy that I didn't understand why he made so many people angry. Most people will agree that a lot of young men are complete losers. Some of those people are snide and happy about it, some people lament it. Peterson gave some simple life lessons that losers felt like they could actually apply. I don't know why this rankled people. If you think men are so shit, why get mad when they improve?

>>16805996
He fought against the nomenklatura and their policing of speech. That's the main reason.

>>16801261
>comparing Peterson to Nietzsche
That feeling when you read Nietzsche with full context, starting with the Greeks, but then there's some motherfucking moron every day on lit who posts shit like this or makes thread about quotes he saw on School of Life. This board might be the least retarded of all intelectually, but it's getting worse by the day.

>>16797860
You're fighting a losing battle, triteness is /lit/'s M.O.

>>16790804
He never will, the only criticisms of liberalism will come from other liberals on different ends of the same liberal spectrum. I’m sure Peterson has helped some people but he’s effectively a useless thinker that doesn’t advance anything substantial

>>16790668
While you were posting on 4chan, I studied the blade.

>>16803969
jumped up midwit read peterson and decided he's going to get to the root of the human condition. more at 9

>>16790643
a tripfag making a good post
hell really is freezing over

>>16790870
I like this.

>>16790718
>I actually feel a bit bad for jordan, he should have had a son

>>16796023
>IQ
Shut the fuck up, you mong. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>16790502
His next book will be out 2021.

>>16790576

simple as.

>>16805305

First poster was trying to have a witty quip. I respect your autistic rant because you take things seriously, but no one needs an elaborate explanation for anything when you can get the gist of what they're implying with a quick line.

>>16790515
What is a smart person's idea of what a smart person is like?

>>16801821
>genius iq is anything above 130 not 140
Someone with all the qualitative markers of a
"promethean" genius (Einstein, for example) is probably around 160. The term "genius" seems to have been denatured a little bit overtime.

>>16805907
Faggot

>>16808426
one needs an explanation for it when it's as widespread as that comment. it's the automatic response all over the internet when someone brings him up

>>16802968
what? hell no, this is the special dialectics edition of maps of meaning
only 99,99$

>>16802685
didn't he explain them?

>>16790502
Hasn't he worked on some UN migration project under Soros?

>>16790533
the most concise description I've seen.

>>16790668
This reads like a teenage girl idea of a romance lmao

>>16795422
kek

>>16805747
I dont listen/read much of peterson so let me know if Im wrong here but for someone so obsessed with Jung it seems like he doesnt discuss any occult topics.

>>16792091
That actually makes sense.

>>16790502
he talks too much and it's no wonder he is depressed

middling-academic who found himself WAY out of his depth

>>16806747
nah you're just retarded too

>>16794304
Good god he's slow, even on 2x speed he's taking forever to get anywhere

>>16796151
>>16801821
>>16806800
>iqlets immediately begin to seethe

>>16811853
im very comfortably 130 iq but i still find that the most intelligent and personable people i find myself wanting to hang out with, whenever i do leave my room and studies, are the low iq people
the common folk are typically wise in their own ways, and they almost always have much less pretense and conceit

>>16790502
you are not told the truth when the truth is told by consensus

>>16790668
>He told me he had a demon inside of him and his favorite hobbies all involved practicing how to harm or kill other people
>So naturally I had to immediately impregnate myself with his demonspawn

>>16790515
Everytime I heard someone say this specific sentence, it was unironically a dimwit
I think this specific sentence was written once in an article about JP, now every leftist dimwit repeats it, as if they were as smart as JP (they never are)

Hate him or love him, he is a very smart and competent individual, I think he should have sticked to psychology. But on the other hand he's the only one who stood up strongly to freespeech suppression in the west.

>>16794478
It doesn't take being a reactionary to side with fascists, in the end liberals aren't class conscious and they are not for the proletarian cause so they will inevitably side with the next big fascist movement, the SPD sent the Freikorps in y'know.

>>16810669
I haven't listened or read much either, but from what I experienced he talks mainly about the Jungian collective unconscious. That's just one occult topic, but it's an important and deep one.

>>16790623
His son is pretty normal desu

>>16793854
>Chomsky
Hijacking this thread. Where to start with Chomsky?

>>16794392
Islam is right about women.

>>16793854
Zizek complemented Peterson as a rhetorical tactic, he actually just a hack

>>16790502
He can't do it

>>16794225
>psychological addiction is a joke
t. "I can quit at any time"

>>16790515
midwit redditor opinion.

>>16813491
Islam is right about everything

>>16790502
His own daughter is literally the embodiment of the chaos he spoke so much about

>>16794469
She's half Jewish. This is totally normal behavior for an emancipated Jewish girl. They are absolute raging whores

>>16791703
WTF happened to her right ankle?

>>16796144
>His purpose is to prevent white men from organizing
I like Peterson in spite of his flaws but this really is one of his sole purposes in life. He knows how fucked up things are, especially in the area of family creation. He knows at another point in history the Globalists and Jews would have rightly started getting executed by now. He is a giant pussy who doesn't want to lose his comfort and safety or access to his insatiable Jewish wife's pussy.

>>16794392
>>16794469
Are these edits? I'm not on social media and the things I see posted from it are making me lose my grip on reality.

>>16813973
Welcome to Clown World

>>16813910
post autoimmune-arthritis surgery

>>16801823
What makes it so dangerous?

>>16814611
Not him.
He failed to account for the people who watched Peterson then were inspired to read original texts in full.
He did, however, accurately diagnose the problem of people reading wikipedia articles and second-hand summaries who then go on to completely misinterpret the philosophies they claim to subscribe to and become absolute shitters as a result.
Wikipedia Nietzscheans are the worst offenders.

>>16813973
No she actually sent this to her dad

His inability to acutually read the papers he reference always gets on my nerves. Also using Jung, an avowed gnostic, to peddle Christian shit is cringe.

>>16814668
>His inability to acutually read the papers he reference always gets on my nerves
>Also using Jung, an avowed gnostic, to peddle Christian shit is cringe
Ironic

>>16803353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv5IyRuEVI4

>>16794478
>intellectual liberal that wants to die on the hill of individualism sides with collectivists
doesn't sound very realistic

>>16790502
I think Peterson has some strengths talking about psychology, Jung, Dostoyevsky, and could be useful in a self help kind of way, but he misses the boat completely when talking philosophy.

He should just focus on doing youtube videos helping confused young men make some sense of their lives. Doing incel therapy.

Memes aside, can any Peterson fanboys tell me a single insightful thing he's said? Like, what exactly is his intellectual contribution to humanity? I'm genuinely asking.

>>16790502
He says in 20 hours what another person could say in about 30 minutes. He's great if you're in mental hell ( jerking off all day and playing videogames) or an incel in general. After that he's a total waste of time and had nothing more to offer in the intellectual sphere.

It's ironic that he is really what mentally ill leftists need; a pseudo father to teach them that maybe free speech is good and not everything is materialism. Suffering isn't good. Despite him being the solution, they think he's a nazi, despite him actually being a pussy "canadian conservative" (read centrist liberal)

>>16816590
If you're actually interested go watch his videos.
>Peterson fanboys
It's all so tiresome.

>>16816623
Can't think of anything, huh.

>>16816590
>The way you orient yourself in life is patterned and knowable
>Knowing the pattern you can infer in a very general sense what makes living meaningful, ie what makes living worth doing
>The patterns of human experience are inscribed in both the operation individual psyche and transpersonal myth (Jung) so reading myth critically lets you elaborate which patterns in specific make life meaningful
He then makes a critical leap from the christian myth which he thinks underpins the western psyche into reasoning that certain politics or ideologies should be disavowed as running counter to the project that generates meaningful existence

>>16816660
That's my whole point. You're looking to dismiss someone and be a douche and it's obvious. If you want to know about him just watch his videos. They're all right there.
Tiresome.

>>16816697
>You're looking to dismiss someone and be a douche and it's obvious.
You seem to be taking my post as a personal attack against yourself or Peterson for whatever reason. Do not reply to me again, please.

>>16816590
>Like, what exactly is his intellectual contribution to humanity?
Revealing the evil conspiracy of marxists and post-modernists to destroy everything you love.

Honestly he has no original contribution. But urging people to read Dostoyevsky isn't bad.

>>16816720
You're full of shit.

>>16790502
Slave to the juden.

>>16816747
>Put the words "memes aside" and "genuinely" in post
>You get offended for some reason thinking I'm just trying to get a rise out of you
>visibly try to poison the discussion

ok man

>>16816661
So he contributed a terrible argument full of poor inductive logic and other gigantic assumptions all to prove Christian capitalism is the greatest thing ever? How boorish.

>>16797838
The difference is that Zizek has actually written a book important to his academic field. Sure, they both shovel trash to idiots for easy money, but that's all Peterson has done.

>>16816802
>this turd is less whiffy than this turd
don't care didn't ask

>>16816779
You asked for a rundown. Assuming you're not familiar with Peterson's work it's fair to say you're just going off of what's said here. Then, instead of being intellectually dishonest by pretending my inevitably reductive summary is Peterson's thesis and attempting to "refute" him that way, I'd suggest you engage with the source material. There's not much reason to take your argument seriously otherwise.

>>16816765
>peterson fanboys
I already pointed this out. You poisoned the well by mocking anyone who would reply to you by calling them fanboys.
You're full of shit.

>>16816817
>You asked for a rundown.
I didn't. I'm familiar with his online and media output, which is disappointing to say the least. I had sorta figured he may just not be great at public speaking and that his books were better, but if you're accurate in your precis there, then I don't think I'd really need to engage with the material any more rigorously. It sounds flimsy and terribly argued. Still, I have a copy of 12 Rules, but /lit/'s Peterson proponents have thus far made a complete hash of their advocacy, and it's a bit depressing that a board that pride's itself on being thoughtful once thought the world of a man who seems to write arguments that would get middling grades in undergraduate composition courses.

>>16816918
Well, in any case, there are nuances in the source material which you would probably only appreciate if you'd engaged with it directly. That being said, I'm not personally caught up in defending Peterson's thesis on the whole, so if you don't care to engage with him I ought to be fine with that. I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not doing so though, as I personally found his core thesis insightful, hypothetical lack of rigor and any potential surface-level political disagreements notwithstanding.

>>16817079
By source material I mean Maps of Meaning, by the way. Prerequisite reading isn't much as the thesis is pretty self-explanatory, but a decent grasp on Jung, Neumann and Nietzsche flesh out the understanding much more. His lectures on personality transformation are a great supplement as well; Not many people know of them as opposed to his gender videos / bible lectures but I find them more interesting since it deals with the intuition behind MoM.