/lit/ - Literature

>>16770714
first for

>>16770521
>The Amber Chronicles by Roger Zelazny
I gave this a shot because a girl I was trying to impress said it was her favorite book. I got maybe halfway through the first book and was bored senseless. Is it worth it to go on?

>>16770714
>What are best fantasy and science fiction series

>>16770714
Bakker in mosts-who’ve-read-its’ opinion

any good books with a comfy world full of beautiful nature? I want forests and lakes and green plains. something not in a city or town but an adventure in the wild.

>>16770714
Which fantasy books fulfill at least 2 out of the 3 buzzwords?

>>16770776
Thomas Covenant

>>16770770
Literally the hobbit

>>16770714
The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction Nov/Dec 2020
This Halloween edition really went in on the horror.

NOVELETS
The Bahrain Underground Bazaar - Nadia Afifi
An old woman is constantly experiencing in VR the memories of those who committed suicide in preparation from her own death from cancer. One of the dead fascinates her and she becomes obsessed. In the end she decides that, life is worth living despite suffering and she wants to live it to fullest and to the very last moment with her family.
Ok

La Regina Ratto - Nick DiChario
Three rats begin talking to the unbelieving protagonist and give him their terms of cohabitation. They become great friends. He then becomes involved with a Queen Rat and the story takes a turn for the strange to where I don't know if it was metaphorical or literal.
Meh

How to Burn Down the Hinterlands - Lyndsie Manusos
A female blacksmith is very angry and for valid reasons. I felt like I was reading fanfiction of the concept of generic fantasy.
Blah

The Glooms - Matthew Hughes
The seventh Baldemar story. He had thought his adventuring days were all behind him, but the past and wizards have a way of catching up in ways unsuspected.

A Tale of Two Witches - Albert E. Cowdrey
Well, this was dark. It would have been a lot darker if the events were described rather than having been said to have happened. This story was a content warning overload which I thought about listing but I'd rather not. Protagonist is an older woman with a sixth sense investigating a missing children case.
Ok

A Civilized and Orderly Zombie Apocalypse per School Regulations
Exactly what it sounds like for this 6th grade class. In this world zombie attacks seem to be a regular occurrence. Ending Spoiler: No one survives (probably). Much cannibalism ensued.
Ok

SHORT STORIES
The Homestake Project - Cylin Busby
Beware what lurks deep within the Earth. Parasitized by creature miles below the surface.
Blah

On Vapor, Which the Night Condenses - Gregor Hartmann
The latest in a series of interconnected stories. Once again a murder in the far future must be solved, this time involving an atmospheric fragrance artist.
Enjoyable

The Silent Partner - Theodore McCombs
An antique dealer finds more than he bargained for in an elderly woman's house.
Blah

Skipping Stones in the Dark - Amman Sabet
An AI on a generation ship decides the fate of its passengers and those who want to be individuals who aren't devoted to the collective are dealt with.
Meh

>>16770714
Hey guys. So throughout my life, I'm 20 now, I've tried about three times to read lotr and each time got up to the second book and at about the time that they all split up I always drop it. The only part I consistently like is Bombadil. I don't know why I don't like. I can't even think of any reasons. I just always drop it. But I want to reread it and finish it. Do you think I should start with the second book this time? (btw I read all the time so I'm not just a retard).

Anyone else feel like a bunch of crazy shit was going on in this book but none of it see connected

>>16770784
I need to re read it, I agree with you

>>16770790
Forgot to put the rating for The Glooms, which was ok.

Wolfe's The Knight is as comfy as it gets, bros

>>16770570
Yes, for a while it did seem disconnected. The connections are more visible near the later half of book 2. And it does conclude with almost everything making sense. Save a few details that are intentionally left open.

The actual plot is pretty simple, but the author took a very long and scenic route to tell it all.
I just finished it recently, so I might be able to answer some questions. I might not have all the answers though, as I haven't been able to talk about it myself, so I don't have all the information neatly parsed. But I understand the important stuff

>>16770816
Oh, I didn't see your post. But here. >>16770873

>>16770873
Idk I didnt like it that much. Too many big moments kinda broke my immersion

>>16770766
Chateau Cascade. Hands down.

>>16770873
>And it does conclude with almost everything making sense.
That's why it's shit. Nobody should read beyond the first book.

>>16770898
oh. I didn't think about it like that. But I liked all the big moments I suppose. They set up so many highly dangerous devices in the first book, and then the second book pretty much sets off all the devices and observes the results.

>>16770920
Really? I'm digging the second story so far. Endymion? I'm about halfway through, and it's definitely a different kind of story. Less mystery. Less intrigue. It still has some mystery. But not like the first book where it's just oozing mystery with every chapter.

But I like what they're doing so far. Building upon the world, and just having fun with concepts that were already established in Hyperion. Taking those concepts and playing around with them. It's more light and fun. Which is weird to say, because half the book is about being so devoted to a mission that you're willing to ensure life and rebirth dozens of times, no matter how painful it is, and how much it degrades you mind and soul.

books about little kids befriending loveable monsters?

Codex Alera’s My all time favorite series. Pretty solid magic system and interesting races all done with a Roman Legionary theme.

Throne of Glass is a fun series too. Aelynn’s a bit of a sarcastic Mary Sue but there are several moments which genuinely surprise you and make things interesting.

Peter and the Starcatchers was a nice series. They intended to end it at book three and ho boy it shows...(there are five books)

If you guys have any more recommendations, I’ll gladly consider them.

what is the best cyberpunk epic out there?

>>16770714
The best is Chateau Cascade by far.

Can someone give me a reading list for Conan stories?

>>16771137
So true! That chapter where they have to use the crystal sounding rod on the MC's dick to summon netherlightning to impregnate his testicles with the dark lord's original protoform!?! What a mindfuck bro!

>>16771383
unironically just a ripoff of Sword Art Online desu

>>16770760
Probably not..

>>16771137
The author is too good to stay a reddit janny.

What are some of the best dragons in literature?

>>16771634
The author needs to go back.

>>16771074
Neuromancer

Any fantasy books that give off the same vibes as OP's picture?

>>16770714
The best is Chateau Cascade by far.

>>16770714
>>16770714
The best is easily Chateau Cascade!

>>16770714
>>16770714
The best is easily Chateau Cascade! Note: some janny is deleting this solely because he hates the author of this book

>>16772125
Be petty and report it to the irc. Show them the post numbers

>>16772138
Don't encourage spammers.

>>16772138
Link me to the irc. I know who the janny is and he is absolutely abusing his powers.

>>16772154
You think sitting around deleting posts eating hot pockets all day makes you a man?

>>16772162
Check the FAQ

>>16771939
holy shit that cover art is so bad lmao

Wheel of Time, more like Waste of Time amiright fellas

So, gonna try this again. I'd like to discuss Chateau Cascade and other indie books. Stuff that is much less known than Sanderson. Stuff with few readers. Where do you find good quality indie stuff like this?

rec me a book with good character building, and with a gandalf-type character. wise, powerful, old, doesnt have to be a wizard

I was reading the Penric and Desdemona novellas and a line stuck out to me, so I'm going to post it.

>“That seems to have been tried, judging by the histories I’ve read.” And Pen had read rather more of them than he was going to let on, not that one could trust their writers. “Successfully, sometimes.” Arisaydia grimaced. “Ten years ago, even five years ago, I would have believed that myth wholeheartedly, that we needed only the right man to quell all wrongs. But, as you say, it’s been tried, and nothing seems to change in the end. I had to see a lot more of the court to learn what we are up against, and it isn’t just the corruption of courtiers, for all that we’re well-supplied with that, too. Taxation is a mess, for one thing. The sporadic plagues have chewed holes in the fabric of the realm. At some golden periods the shortfall was made up for by conquest, I suppose, but it seems every generation we lose more territory than we gain. Reform is resisted by everyone who has an interest in it not taking place at their expense. Including the army, I’m sorry to say. To set one man, no matter how heroic or well-intentioned, up against the whole vast weight of that… and then to excoriate him for his inevitable failure…” He shook his head. “I would say five gods spare me, but there was a cadre of my officers who thought otherwise. And started to go beyond muttering. Evidently, half a year and Patos were not distance enough to save me from their admiration. And the reaction it engendered.”

>>16772501
The Bible

>>16770766
>female fantasy writer
>good

>>16772464
>Chateau Cascade
we discussed it when it was released. literally taunted the writer with posting download links for it and he sperged out about piracy and all the things that were pointed out about his book that were shit.
there is no need to talk about it anymore. go read the archive if you want to read opinions about it. dont talk about that trash heap anymore. shitty harem litrpgs are better than that shitty book.

>>16772840
Huh, it's weird to me that two people can read the same book and have such different opinions. I thought it was one of the best things I've read, particularly as far as indie stuff goes. Anyway I'm not going to the archive and I'm not going to stop talking about books I like, thanks for your suggestion though

>>16772537
Read it already :)

>>16772163
You think spamming a shit book makes you cool.

This shit's going off the rails at around the halfway point.
>psychic powers
>time traveling communist
>cocooned god underneath the last city on earth maintained by a mechanical spider

>>16773227
You misspelled great book

>>16773243
Indeed. I thought it would be some dying earth future tech book and it ended up being something of a mess. The frog thing down below was very creepy.
The ending is not exactly for everyone though.

>>16770714
where is this artwork from? I like the style.

>>16773415
the hildebrandt brothers used to be pretty big in sff.

>4 more days
I know I'm not the only person looking forward to this.

>>16773454
I read the first chapter of the first book like 8 years ago and was instantly put off by the animu action.

>>16773454

BUNGBUM MAMGURKCUN

>>16773354
>The frog thing down below was very creepy.
That entire chapter was pretty fucked up, from the giant crab like monster cutting through the cage walls and snacking on a prisoner, to the strange beaked creature stalking between the cells and finding a spot on the ceiling to wait for a passing warden to feed on. All in complete darkness, of course.

Just the concept of a partially submerged prison cell in the middle of a jungle swamp filled with all sorts of horrors ready to nibble at your feet through the floor is terrifying. You'd think the prisoners condemned to that floor would just try to get themselves killed by the wardens to be spared a nightmarish death in the dark like that.

>>16772234

What the fuck is this? https://youtu.be/BC35cQKHwzg

>>16772234

>>16771074
Cyberpunk 2077

What are some of the biggest fantasy anthologies with the best bang for the buck?

I'm open to stuff from the Tolkien-like and beyond.

>>16770871
Yes.

In hospital and wished I brought some gene wolfe. What would you bring to hospital, /sffg/?

do you guys think Sanderson has ever gotten any pussy from his fame?

>>16774194
Brandersander is a good boy who only has leglock missionary sex with his wife.

>>16774194
The man is married, he has free pussy for life.

>>16771867
Isn't this literally a scene from Lord of the Rings?

>>16770731
how can one man be so based and so cringe at the same time? I really should reread these books .. just lost my job so now I've got my thumb WAY up my ass. I was thinking reread this or start the KSR Mars Trilogy. I just finished Dune Messiah and cannot press on ...

>>16773454
I work in a bookstore. It's sitting on the back counter right now. I can't (legally) sell it yet (unless I want to buy it for myself).

>>16772501
The first law

>>16774237
c-can you touch it??

>>16774194
Why are you fags so obsessed with this guy? I don't know a thing about my favorite author beyond his writing style and preferred genre.

>>16774252
honestly? because I wish I were him
I kinda look like him, desu
fat and goofy

>>16771867
Wizard Knight
The Buried Giant (not really)

>>16774252
Autism.
You'd have to be an actual autist to like his long-winded exposition heavy "story-telling" where the the plot and characters motives and emotions are spelled out explicitly for you. So these autists, as they do, fixate on everything around these books, including the author to an absurd extent.

So, which is the best /sffg/ harem series out there?

>>16774305
lotr

>>16770714
lovely colors

>>16774231
For some reason, it holds up better on the second read imo. Yes he’s kind of cringe in some ways, but the power and expanse of his vision is undeniable. I found the second series unputdownable on the second read.

>>16774348
>literally millions upon millions of books to read
>you can read 100 or so a year if you have no life and dedicate your time to reading
>spend it rereading something instead
y tho

>>16774261
I knew a guy from the Netherlands who looked exactly like him, and who incidentally became familiar with Sanderson's work because I recommended the Way of Kings to him. He was an insecure douche with a superiority complex who'd never say something like this, not even ironically. I wouldn't be surprised if this was exactly the case, though.

>>16774348
hmm you may have convinced me. fuck though, Judging Eye was REALLY slow to read. talk about a slog

Is Guy Gavriel Kay good? I'd like a grounded historical-ish fantasy novel. I like culture, geography, geopolitics, etc. more than straight up warfare.

>>16774500
The Curse of Chalion and its sequel, Paladin of Souls. Followed up by the Penric novellas (same setting, different time period and characters).
To quote the heiress of Chalion, when told she was being given exactly what she wanted
>A coastal city with an excellent harbor?

>>16774507
Joke's on you, my world building is also shit

>>16774357
> he doesn’t reread (and re-reread) books he enjoyed in order to more deeply grasp their meanings
> he reads only to cross books off his list rather than the sheer pleasure of the text
typical /lit/ pseud detected, ngmi

>>16774904
>calling anyone from /lit/ proper a pseud
>on /sffg/ of all places

>>16774237
Jealous. Wanna be a bro and post the part title ketek?

>>16774904
>he's such a brainlet that he has to read something twice to grasp and enjoy the text
wew lad

Ahh emm

No Fuck for E William Brown

How come there are 8,442 comments in this thread? With new discussion every day?
https://williamscornerdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/29/daniel-black-open-thread/

Dune is very difficult for me to follow :(

>>16775310
...how far are you into the book?

>>16775321
Chapter 12
They are talking about the equipment, collectors, to extract the melange i think.And that CHOAM doesn't want to negotiate with them for some reason or something like that...

>>16774357
>>16775087
>rereading bad
>must consoom new experiences
>even self published and probably shitty books that have been half forgotten
>scraping the very bottom for new things instead of rereading what you consider the very best
>"What a brainlet, he didn't get it the first time."
The absolute state of readers of genre fiction.

>>16775385
>finite time
>can read less than 10000 books in ones lifetime
>wastes it on re-reading because of shit memory

Rereading books can be a sign of depression.

>>16775404
It doesn't have to do with forgetting things in a book. García Marquez reread Borges. My father rereads Arabian Nights from time to time. It was his favorite book growing up and it reminds him of the time his family read it to him, and the time I was a kid and he read it to me.
Do you think it has anything to do with trying to solve a puzzle or forgetting how the story went?
If memory is the best plausible explanation for rereading something, them I'd recommend a cyanide pill. You sound like an absolute retarded faggot. Your fear of death (oh noo! ten thousand nonsense books in my lifetime, woe is me) suggests you're in your early 20s at most. Your overestimation of your memory skills also point in the same direction. These reasons and the fact you haven't found one or a few Books of Gold you'd actually want to reread make me pity you.

I hope you were baiting. I hope you won't do a pathetic larp claiming your IQ is in the top 1% and you have eidetic memory. Here's your chance for a graceful exit (albeit only pretending to be retarded is never graceful, really).

>>16775559
Holy cope. You couldn't appear any more in denial and mad about wasting your time rereading books.

>>16775497
So can exisiting

>>16775404
>10,000
Yeah, if you devote your life to it and nothing else. More likely 1,000 actual books for most people as a maximum.

>>16775599
You could've said what would be good about reading 10000 books or as many new books as you can, but I don't think you have an answer for that.
>rereading is bad because it's a waste of time
Imagine being so retarded you keep repeating this nonsense as if was a revealed truth and posturing all the while, as if endlessly reading mediocre genre fiction for pure entertainment was somehow a desirable life mission.

>>16775684
Why would I dwell on the past when I can experience new things, retard?

>>16775724
>imagine posting in the same thread for years and being on the same site for ever longer rather than having new experiences.

>>16775724
Because your second read will be fundamentally different to your first read.
Because you might have missed something, forgotten something.
Because new works may not necessarily be as good and reading worthless crap might be as worse a time waste as anything else.
Because if reading new stuff = entertainment & enjoyment, who's to day rereading yields any different result. You're certainly not an authority on the subject, what with being a genre fiction reader admittedly interested in stimulating his brain with new and unknown impulses for no good reason other than 'it's good', and 'life's short.' lmao

It's not even a dichotomy. Most people, not writers who are forced to do it, have a handful or few books they liked so much they enjoy revisiting from time to time, but in your retarded brain, 4chan has ruined your ability to discuss any subject unironically or non confrontationally.
The only people I know who are opposed to rewatching are sorry braindead retards seeking pure escapism. I wouldn't be surprised if they were diagnosed with autism or ADHD.

>>16775819
Based on these posts, I'd say you've likely been diagnosed with autism as well.

>>16775819
honestly a lot of books in these threads shouldn't be read once, much less twice.

>>16776012
>It's not even a dichotomy. Most people, ... have a handful or few books they liked so much they enjoy revisiting from time to time

>>16776036
Yes, they're called autists.

>>16773454
This fat mormon fuck is going to drag his feet and delay kaladin saying his fourth oath for the next book, isn't he?

From what you guys learned from fantasy novels, is it better to be a medieval peasant than a modern day wagie?

>>16776194
Get your mommy to wipe the drool off your face if you can't do it yourself.

What the fuck, janny? Do I need to go back to the irc and tell on you again? It's not against the rules to discuss the fantasy novel called Chateau Cascade. Stop deleting posts about it.

>>16776158
I don't see Kaladin living through book 5, so he should get one per book and then he turns into the wind or something.

when?

>>16773454
Sure. Didn't read the preview chapters, but I read Dawnshard.

By the way Kaladin should really fuck someone this book. Syl is fine, but my pick would be Jasnah, because it would probably leave him in an eternal state of confusion.

>tfw not very excited
It could be any day once the e-book is leaked. If fucking Wintersteel is out days early, this will be.

I hope Dalinar shits in Odium's mouth.

>>16772234
Based

Read book
Like book

Still like book
Read book again

Simple as

>>16776728
This guy is my friend.

I never really read any Black Company books past the first three. No real reason, just never did. Thinking of starting up, but are they any good?

>>16776751
Is the first one good? I remember starting the first one as a kid but I got bored and didn't finish it, but I was a dumb kid

>>16772234
Posting the only good thing to out of the Snooze of Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnlvN6Pr6_w

>>16776751
Not really. I mean, the premise of the books of the South sounds interesting at least. The Black Company finally going back to where it came from. It's just that the setting is horrible and brazenly lifted from India, Constantinople I guess, and shitty Hinduism, with names getting dumber and everything being jungle-like. Muh Kali Yuga and all that. Things pick up in the last 2 books, more fantasy and less South East Asia ripoff.
Action and realistic battle was never the point of the series, but the sense of scale from the battle in book 1 is just not there as well executed.
It's a 4-5 long book series that still hasn't a clear ending. It has a few PoV switched (another annalist taking Croaker's job), extremely retarded plot devices like you wouldn't believe (something a kid would've come up with) and it just doesn't feel like the Black Company any more. It's still somewhat comfy, but inferior to the first 3 books imo.
>>16776878
It's like 300 pages long. Check it put for yourself. Anyone claiming it's a perfect book series or even a truly great series is lying or has an extremely cheap taste.

>>16777052
Didn't Glen Cook try ripping off India and Byzantium with the whole Dread Empire series anyway?

>>16777070
I wouldn't know because there's no way in hell I'll read any Glen Cook again, but he probably didn't feel like letting all that Hindu knowledge go to waste. It's like the North is not-Russia, the desert in the middle is Mongolia I guess, and instead of China you get a Thailand, Vietnam and India or something very similar. The cities and names are more Asian rather than Byzantine, definitely not Persian or anything like that. I mentioned Constantinope because I know very little of India's story.
The Kali Yuga is actually there and the hack even put in those Hindi killers, the OG thugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Posting about Chateau Cascade, my favorite fantasy book, any mention of which is being censored here by some rogue janny.

>>16777499
cute trap, at what chapter does he get deep throated?

>>16775628
1k is extremely low if reading is your primary hobby. Include audiobooks and you have people clearing hundreds of books each year just working on autopilot.

>>16777499
complaining about staff is against the rules. just discuss the book

>>16777567
Based janni BTFOing shart-teu fagg

>>16777499
Damn, I'm gonna have to give this shit 1 star on gayreads out of spite.

>>16777567
I am indeed trying to discuss my favorite book, Chateau Cascade.

>>16776574
You, as a reader, a mere parasite, are not entitled to any sequels to any books, even if the author has once expressed intent on writing them. Things change, people change, and authors might no longer be willing or even capable of writing a sequel. Thus it falls to you to get over yourself and stop being such a needy little bitch. If the author feels like it, they'll write a sequel, if not, then you probably wouldn't want to read a soul-less forced-out book anyway.
t. waiting for Shades of Grey 2 by Jasper Fforde

>>16777683
Wrong pic you used. Early Riser was shit

>>16777683
>the people who put food on your table
>parasites

I wish I was like you guys and could read through a whole book just over a weekend

I want a book about a demon that first appears to the twink fantasy MC as a weird catepillar then later cocoon, then butterfly and so on until the climax where he's a full-fledged gay butterfly man who makes sweet rape to said MC

>>16778029
This, except the MC inserts the caterpillar into his urethra and lets him grow inside of his penis, until in the final act, he performs autofellatio and cums a fully grown butterfly into his mouth, where they kiss.

>>16771763
Me

>>16776158
He may never say it. He may take off and join Moash so he can stop hurting for the people he couldn't save. He may just fucking die :^)

>>16777628
The writer's opinion counts for no more than blatant shilling.

>>16778164
I am not the writer, though. Just a big fan, both of this and indie novels in general.

>>16778029
I want a book about bisexual dragons that turn teenage boys into vaginal fleshlights, but you don't see me posting about it.

>>16778176
Go join his server then, we don't want you here.

>>16778196
No.

>>16777683
Its been years bro, I've given up. I just feel like the first should be left as it is. I wouldn't want a shit sequel.

>>16778190
Why haven't you written it yet

>>16778190
Sad Panda has all you wish for, fren. Just search tomgirl.

>>16778350
Severe brain damage, working full time, and various things downstream of that. Also I have other projects and interests. Also I'm worried if I wrote it I wouldn't be able to enjoy it.

>>16778367
Fantasize about it, then write out your fantasies and fap to them when you proofread. Then publish.

>>16778029
For me, it's Aphrodite of Pisces

>>16778029
There's a manga with a gay butterfly man as an antagonist.

>>16778390
Alright, what the hell. Going to make it my NaNoWriMo effort. It will be called The Ultimate Alchemy of Alexander Ciana

>>16776751
They are not as good as the first ones but you can try them anyway. It's kind of a long burn though. The Silver Spike isn't about the Company itself and gives closure to some of the characters from the first three books, like a sort of spin-off. It is pretty good.

Why are these threads turning into complete shit, now?

>>16778612
Post nut syndrome.

>>16778393
my man

>>16778612
they've always been shit, prove me wrong

>>16778659
>gender: male
>him
>he

>>16773855
I read The Three Body Problem series last time I was dying in the hospital, would recommend. Behind that, Walter Moers writes some pretty amazing fantasy.

>>16776622
Something tells me neither dalinar or kaladin will do much in this book besides be whiny bitches. Then they'll both die dogs deaths in the fifth book so navani,shallan,jasnah and Rysn can save the day. Enjoy your strong womyn you cuck.

>>16778685
Literally cringing @ those names rn.

Lads, give me a writing prompt that I can put into my Fantasy novel :D

>>16778702
I haven't even mentioned Szeth-son-son-Vallano.

>>16777583
Wanted to let you know that I took the time to give it a five star review specifically because of this post

>>16778921
No you didn't -- it's not even real.

>>16778938
What could you possibly have meant by this post?

Are there still fantasy/sci-fi magazines and anthologies out there or have they all died out in the age of the internet?

>>16778702
All of the internal 'a's makes them very samey. Then you have Rysn. Rysn.

Any bros hook me up with a torrent for Dawnshard? Can't find it in the usual places I look.

>torrent

Explain what's wrong with it.

I really enjoyed Solaris. How are Stainslaw's other books?

>>16779066
It's insistent instead of receptive.

>>16778980
see >>16770790

>>16778980
Yes, there are quite a few left.

>Thirdly, when going into this novel I heard it came across as extremely sexiest, I wanted to call bullshit but half way through I got sick of every male character stating how women were “weak” or teasing someone and comparing their weakness to a women, I also didn’t appreciate the fact that every man in this book EXCEPT ONE, thought all women were whores.. Yeah. DA FUQ. You think women are weak? Fight me and I’ll kick your arse mother fucker.. (jokes) but seriously, I’m not a feminist but I got sick of hearing this bullshit, YES I understand these views are not the authors and are the arsehole characters he has created and YES I understand it is a cruel harsh world, however sometimes you get sick of reading that bullshit. So yes if you are a feminist and easily offended by these themes you should definitely steer clear of this series. It stinks of masculinity. Oh and I nearly forgot to mention that the only two female characters were a whore and a concubine and both were weak as. Lastly… I feel like he just wrote violent scenes for the sake of being violent and I feel like he was just sitting at his writing desk and got bored and thought “hey I’m going to just add a torture scene here for fun and shock value”. (I love violence and I'm actually complaining that this was a tad too violent..)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/301538.The_Darkness_That_Comes_Before

>>16779080
Elaborate...

>>16778685
>being this butthurt about Dawnshard
Dalinar v Ishar is going to be awesome. Something is going to happen with Adolin's sword in Shadesmar. The actual Dawnshard isn't supposed to play a role till the next book, and if anything Shallan is overdue for a spectacular fuck up. Stay salty tho.

>>16778029
Watch The Dragon Prince. No clue for books though

WHO decided that Cyberpunk had to exist?
was it in literature? Neuromancer?
A few years ago I found out that there was a popular cyberpunk 'card game' but I don't remember its name or what date was that kek

>>16780121
no one decided. a bunch of people had the similar ideas when tech changed in the '80s with PCs etc and the boomer idealism had been fading for a decade or two or three to be replaced with a more realistic pov.

>>16777683
The author also isn't entitled to my free advertising when I start telling people not to bother with a series that won't ever be finished.

>>16778669
Saint Seiya was weird homoerotic

>>16780121
The card game is Netrunner. The original version ran in the 90s, died, and got revived as Android: Netrunner in the late 2000s (where it proceeded to die again and get adopted by the fanbase who makes stuff for it now). Quality game.

>>16778029
based

>>16778029
That sounds demonic and goes against the Christian roots of Fantasy.

>>16780483
they don't have to be Christian demons
also Fantasy didn't start with Tolkien

>>16778733
Ha! Thanks for all the suggestions guys, really appreciate it!

>>16780933
A man ignored by his peers sets out on a quest to find inspiration

>>16780947
Life imitates art.

>>16778983
Well they come from the same culture so it makes sense they have similar-sounding name.

>>16778733
A hobbit finds a gun

>>16778733
/r/writingprompts

>>16778612
imho the quality declined when the focus has shifted from sci-fi towards fantasy during the last year or so.

>>16781392
>last year
It has always been like that because most like fantasy better. Scifi is only good when it's soft scifi and basically fantasy in a different setting.

>>16774507
BASED

fuck worldbuilingcels

So i'm almost done with Roadside Picnic... i mean it's a short book but jesus what a sludge. Let me explain: So we have this really cool zone that all the weird shit is happening in and around.
And instead of us slowly exploring this shit and actually being immersed in it by "show" we get a lot of fucking "tell" when the local american drunkards (whom the authors have no ability in portraying as americans and instead seem like out of place russians the lot of them. Which is kinda funny and not in a bad way) talk about whatever shit has happened in short mentions while the focus is on how boring these drunkards are.

How the fuck am i supposed to care? How the fuck am i supposed to care about some personal relations bullshit when there's this cool zone that we're only talking about and not actually exploring?
"Yesh, but accshually that'shh what kheepsh you intelested slhh....shll..."
No. I'm gonna fucking skip. I'm gonna skip until i read something of interest and the instant i hit more boring fake american names bullshit i'm gonna skip again. Fuck you, overrated shit book. I had hopes for something cool and once more they got shot down by the inability of this genre to deliver.

Can't be arsed with an image cause i hate mac. And it's my only working computer atm.

this is kinda of a stupid question but please bare with me : most fantasy is sort of rooted in the western tradition, sprouting from tolkien, and earlier texts, novellis, beowulf, shakespeare.

As a slav, I was wondering if there were any fantasy epics specifically set in a more ruso-centric envrioment, or in the time of the princendoms.

This is a retarded shot in the dark. But if someone could offer some reccomends that may strike that nerve I'd be glad. TY, have a good night

>>16781653
idk like the witcher?

>>16781671
witcher is a good bet I think. Kinda forgot about it. I always heard mixed things about it. Though witcher didnt' seem like an epic fantasy story. Ty tho

>>16781536
>why are the characters the focus of the book and not the anomalous sci-fi thing
Stick to reading Wookiepedia

Did Sanderson go to far with Kaladin literally flying to the moon in the latest book?

>>16781801
Don't talk about plot details without spoiler tags.

>>16770714
Not strictly fantasy and not scientific fiction. But maybe, lacking anything substantive and NEW in those genres, some might be interested in this guy I just ten minutes ago learned about:
>Bernd Heinrich Wilhelm von Kleist (18 October 1777 – 21 November 1811) was a German poet, dramatist, novelist, short story writer and journalist. His best known works are the theatre plays Das Käthchen von Heilbronn, The Broken Jug, Amphitryon, Penthesilea and the novellas Michael Kohlhaas and The Marquise of O. Kleist committed suicide together with a close female friend who was terminally ill.
Or maybe German Romantic fiction writers as a genre? I have no idea what I'm taking about. But...

Wild, huh?
Bang! Bang! I shot my baby down.

I'm reading, "WILD NIGHTS!!!! Stories about the Last Nights of Poe, Dickenson, Twain, James and Hemingway" (fiction) and anyways the first (Poe, didn't you read the title?) has a bunch of references to authors I've never heard of. Cautiously optimistic about the rest of the book. I'm sure most of Joyce's jokes and references breeze right over my cantelope sized head. Again, you snappy literary bashers might enjoy it...probably even than I am. As for me ill just say that JCO is a good un, sho nuff and leave it at that.

Another reference from Wild Nights!
>Ernst Theodor Amadeus Hoffmann (commonly abbreviated as E. T. A. Hoffmann; born Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann; 24 January 1776 – 25 June 1822) was a German Romantic author of fantasy and Gothic horror, a jurist, composer, music critic and artist.[1][2][3] His stories form the basis of Jacques Offenbach's opera The Tales of Hoffmann, in which Hoffmann appears (heavily fictionalized) as the hero. He is also the author of the novella The Nutcracker and the Mouse King, on which Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's ballet The Nutcracker is based. The ballet Coppélia is based on two other stories that Hoffmann wrote, while Schumann's Kreisleriana is based on Hoffmann's character Johannes Kreisler.

Another real quick before I get back to it...
>Jeremias Gotthelf's best known work is without doubt the short novel The Black Spider (Die schwarze Spinne), a semi-allegorical tale of the plague in form of the titular monster that devastates a Swiss valley community; first as a result of a pact with the devil born out of need and a second time due to the moral decay that releases the monster from its prison again.

>>16780468
Cutie Patoots. One of you younger fellows, don't let this opportunity pass you by. She's cute and reads, what more do you need? Trust an old geezer.

>>16771867
The nazgul looks so dejected and low-energy here. His crown is squishing down his head and he can't even be bothered to swing the mace from the shoulder, he's just half-heartedly bending his elbow.

>and in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.

And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the north wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last.


anyone else get chills and go LETTTTS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when something like this happens in a book

>>16782010
>LETTTTS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Please, please, ple-ease kill yourself

>>16781769

But the characters suck! Give me one personality trait that one person has that someone else doesn’t have? They’re all flat like your moms chest.
Whenever a conversation starts it soon changes into ”and then they talked some more about [insert everyday stuff]” and the whole opportunity of building personality and interesting interactions is wasted.

Is the Culture Series any good? I know my dad rates it highly but I've only liked Wasp Factory, and cared little for Transition

>>16782152
i know a guy who likes it and he's a bit of an asshole. From what I know the series is cringe le epic super powerful culture that's weakest ships fire like a million black hole guns or something and they are some kind of commies or something

>>16782179
>cringe le epic
Please, please, ple-ease kill yourself

>>16782179
That doesn't really answer the question, but I suppose art can be judged by its fanbase.

>>16782010
Sometimes. That's the beauty of art, anon. :-)

stop telling me what to do

>>16772234
I've tried reading the first book a few times and just seems like a shitty Tolkien...why does that Green bloke shill them so much?

>>16782152
Yeah they're good, but can be a bit much. It depends what kind of sci fi you like. If you summarise the Culture's post-scarcity, no one needs to work, AIs are all powerful and just benignly look after everyone, that society, it would seem very utopian and boring to read about. But the stories told in the novels are about things going very wrong or the limited amount the Culture can actually do to intefere with other civilisations

I've read a few of them and I like them. They're well written and quite humourous but certain stories have a sort of horror element too. Especially that simulated hell novel, Jesus

My favourite one is the first novel Consider Phlebas which is the novel that most other readers rate as one of their least favourites. I like that it's from the point of view of an enemy of the Culture, and you see the Culture sort of from the outside.

People say the second novel Player of Games is the best one to start with if you're new to the series. I understand why, and it's also very good.

Also there's some utterly disgusting imagery in the Culture novels, especially in Phlebas. That fat guy on the island. It made me feel sick

Finally, I didn't like the final novel he wrote just before he died. The Hydrogen Sonata. Incredibly depressing, it made me feel down for weeks afterwards. Not depressing in a good way as something like Stoner by John Williams. Depressing in a bad way

>>16782697
He has to write the first book as a Tolkien clone to get it published. Then ha go to do his own thing ,so the series does change quite a bit in flavor. Books 2-6 I would say were pretty good, then you hit a slog. Jordan was masterful in getting the reader to feel the same way about women that he did, which was a growing sense of dread anytime you saw it was one of the femal character's viewpoints. While there was always a morbid curiosity about what oddly titillating punishment would come up next for the female characters, seeing Egwene or Elayne's name at the beginning of a chapter gives the most horrible sinking feeling. I can only imagine that these books were a cry for help, and he was attempting to communicate his feelings whenever his wife walked into the room. Min was obviously the girl of his dreams who never actually materialized. But if its the Tolkien style that's throwing you off, just make it to book 2.

>>16782152
I liked them a lot. As a previous anon said, you can start with player of games and see from there.

>>16770714
Can't be arsed giving you a picture of it:
The PRIMATERRE series by S.A. THOLIN.

>>16770714
Looking for books that involve some sort of magical school or academy that are not written by Rowling.

>>16783622
Masters & Mages by Miles Cameron. It's a trilogy and complete.

>Wheel of Time is not the longest Fantasy series
Ok', I'm surprised now. I wonder how Swrod of Truth would rank.

>>16783622
A Wizard of Earthsea is a classic
The Magicians. Idk much about it, I've only seen 1 ep of the tv adaptation

>>16783622
I hate it, but The Name of the Wind?

>>16784407
There's plenty of even longer things in other languages.

>>16781653
The Bear and the Nightingale was good. I'm going to read more of the series later but the first book was self contained

>>16784455
Like?

>>16783622
mage errant

>>16783622
Colour of Magic by Pratchett

>>16784459
Guin Saga, over 150 books in the series.

>>16781882
>reading Poe
>unaware of the huge influence of German romanticism on his writing
Well, at least you'll learn something

>>16771859
Based

I've been reading Dune, and the first book was amazing. I am not really pleased by the sequels so far though. It seems like Herbert made a lot of weird decisions just to try to keep things fresh.

>mfw when Leto goes out on the sand and covers himself in sand trout

>>16771006
Bartemaeous trilogy

>>16774209
That’s the best sex

>>16784504
>Guin Saga is the longest single-writer's work in the world,[8] with total sales of 30 million copies.[9]
damn
>After the 100th book in the series was published in 2005, an event to celebrate this was held in Tokyo, with 600 attending
sad damn

>>16774231
Dude read Mars trilogy, I loved it

If you can deal with all of KSR's thinly characterised semiotic psychobabble the rest of it is pretty simple

is dawnshard as cringe as edgedancer

What's a modern fantasy book that takes more influence from Dunsany and George MacDonald than D&D and George R.R. Martin?

>>16785315
VanderMeer.

>>16785315
>D&D
do you mean this as Dungeons and Dragons or the fags that worked on GoT?

>>16785685
I assume he means the game.

Could anyone recommend me some modern weird fiction? I've been reading and enjoying stories by Thomas Ligotti, Laird Barron, Clint Smith and John Langan.

>>16785749
library of house char

>>16770714
Recommend me an audio book, please

>>16785707
>the game

>>16785821
There's a Jonathan Davis reading of Snow Crash that's kino.
His reading of Wolfe's Book of The New Sun is decent too.

>wow, anon! You sure bought a lot of fantasy books. I hope your kids love them.

I bought 3 fantasy books with amazons 3 for 2 deal. Did I do good?
>stormlight archives way of kings
>first book of earthsea
>the name of wind

>>16785942
No, sorry.

>>16785942
>the name of wind

>>16785983
oof

>>16785983
Something really perverse about that - don't like it!

>>16785983
>m'lady

>>16785983
any recommendations then to rectify this mistake?
I just wanted some quality big fantasy.

>>16770816
No

>>16771074
Neuromancer

>>16772234
Based.

Maybe the show will be OK.

>>16783622
The Rithmatist :^)

>>16776606
>he ships Syl and Kal

Go fuck yourself. That doesn't even make sense.

>>16784407
>Stormlight to surpass GRRM's 5 books in 4 entries
>not counting novellas
>or all the other cosmere works

>>16778685
>He hadn't even read the preview chapters
RoW is pogged out, gancho

>>16786083
Based.
Got fans BTFO

>>16785983
what zero pusy does to a mofo

>>16785866
Thanks!
Already read BotnS and wouldn't want to listen to anything actually read worthy, I'll check out Snow Crash

What bloodline ability is Lindon going to magic out of his ass?

>>16785983
*plucks lute*

>>16779050
check libgen

>>16772234
This. I wish I had spent the time I wasted reading WoT, instead doing something usefull, like rereading BotNS.

>>16786083
Sanderson is a mediocre writer writing generic fantasy.

>>16785924
The only time I've ever talked to a girl while buying books is when I got curious and picked up a discworld book. I didn't buy it because I know that women only like shit

>>16786029
Earthsea is good
People do like the other two. I've only sampled then but I did not like Rothfuss, Sanderson seemed ok but not great.
My personal recommendation is the first Amber series by Zelazny.

I had a female cashier snort when I handed her a copy of Goblin Slayer Vol.1 to purchase. This was well before the anime adaptation and she obviously didn't know what it was, she just saw Priestess on the cover and said it looked like Sailor Moon.
I was too shy to even respond with anything except a meek "thank you" when leaving.

>>16786186
Adolin will be an Edgedancer after he revives his deadeye with new oaths.

>>16786272
>Roshar
>generic
What a shit opinion you have.

>>16786326
thank you anon
>My personal recommendation is the first Amber series by Zelazny.
Asking this in a friendly way, why this series? What makes it good?

>>16786337
Yes, generic. He's writing shōnen fantasy books. It's like popcorn.

>>16786332
We're supposed to get a major representative of each category but we already have Lift as an Edgedancer.

>>16786362
what's the most shounen thing he's done so far?

>>16786360
It's five books but ~200 pages each, no filler, all intrigue and action. I like Corwin/Zelazny's "voice"which is capable and driven but not an asshole, no edgy grimderp, magic system is cool, raining between worlds, and it keeps its mystery without doing any deus ex machina

>>16786477
thanks anon, I will try to buy it in the future

>>16776751
You can probably read the first book and stop there if you like it because it's standalone or at least ends on an open-ended finale.

>>16786469
Literally Dalinar versus Odium and the "I accept all my actions" Honor's Perpendicularity DBZ power up bullshit.

>>16783622
Vita Nostra by Marina + Sergey Dyachenko

>>16786331
You missed your chance to smash sweet cashier poon.

>>16786582
>Honor's Perpendicularity
>powerup
I think you're using a term incorrectly, champ.

>>16786360
Vvvv cool world and vvvv cool characters.
The second series I guess is good I just don't understand wtf is going on

>>16785983
... it's a yikes from me

>>16786029
Here is your Sanderson thing btw

what is the maximum pages you read a day? what is the most pages you read in a day?

>>16786674
The alloys of law etc are really bad. Weed me 2 years ago disliked them and he really had no taste

>>16785315
I don't know, but have you read Lyonesse?

>>16785821
Aubrey-Maturin series read by Patrick Tull

do you think gurm has been using the opportunity of covid-19 restrictions to finish the books?

>>16786749
>what is the maximum pages you read a day?
just a bit over a hundred but that's only if its a short novel that could be finished in two such sessions
there are probably a few longer novels where I read more than that during work-from-home in the early chinese virus days but that was more due to the ability to read and nod off then wake up and read some more while keeping my phone's notifications on for work.
the average amount of pages I read a day?
twenty

>>16785866
I think he really shines when he reads Urth. But I'm an outlier there, I think Urth is the best book Gene ever wrote.

>>16786791
I find it alarmingly positive that people keep recommending these, I literally only ever heard good things about them.

>>16786636
>Golden light surrounds Dalinar
>Pushes the Fused back like a strong wind
>Makes the Big Bad confused and scared
>Gives the other Radiants/Szeth power to draw upon to fight
>Stormfather had told Dalinar his power is not used for offense. Ongoing theme throughout the books of "the power of teamwork".

Leak us Rhythm of War already Sanderbro.

>>16786749
>max
I read House on the Borderland in one night. 300?

Om average, I'd say 100-150

>>16786854
Oh, it's amazing. First two are a bit rocky -- but very rewarding -- then it's smooth sailing through volume 18 and the last two aren't bad either. Every writer (and maybe reader) of genre fiction should read them. I'd link to David Mamet's obituary of him, but it has spoilers.

And Tull's performance is perfect. He just spits out all the period and nautical terms like a native, with perfect nuances of character, class, position and emotion. Back in the day O'Brian fan groups would invite him to meetups to read live. It's just great.

>>16786933
I've finished the Vorkosigan saga(yes, all of it) and was just thinking of another long binge(with interludes for other writers in between). Might give this a shot.

>>16786791
]>>16786854
>>16786933
>centering on male friendship

Is there an updated degen-core chart?

>>16786956
This is what the normalization of homosexuality has taken from us.

>>16786749
I don't bother to keep track. I'll stay up late reading the end of a good novel. But I did once read The Sound And The Fury over two days (366pp says Goodreads) for a book report. The fucking Faulkner prose with pages long sentences compressed into that time frame nearly broke my brain

>>16786956
A nerd who doesn't understand friendship. Unsurprising

Any strong feelings on The Expanse series? I've watched the show so far (seaons 1 through 4) and find it good-for-what-it-is, but I'm sure there's a lot lost in the adaptation. How are the books?

>>16787016
don't take it so personally, you repressed faggot
it was a joke

make new

>>16787343
no u

>>16787057
I think they adapted The Expanse for its adaptability, not because anyone had strong feelings about it.

>>16787065
It was a repressed faggot's joke.

>>16787057
I stopped after book 3. The first two were decent spooky sci-fi pulp, but in the 3rd the new characters were just uninspiring. One was so blatantly SJW-pandering it felt jarring even to a leftie like me and the other just bland, and their filler shit just took too much pagetime away from the main spooke intrigue. So after this book I kind of lost interest, it just felt like the writers are repeating their mentor's mistakes - too many characters and plotlines, and not knowing how to resolve the main arcs satisfactorily, so they're just going to spin chapter after chapter of filler, flying to and fro, and introducing more and more pointless PoVs you can't be arsed to care about.

>>16786272
Still a lot better than Martin though. The guy saved WoT, his books were the best since Lord of Chaos.

>>16786272
He's a step above that. David Eddings is generic and mediocre. Sanderson tries to give you a value-add in story and setting. If you don't like it, you don't like it, but if you don't notice it you're a moron.

make the new thread FAGGOTS

Where the fuck is the rythm of war leak? Absolute state of leakfags in 2020.

>>16786858
Honor's Perpendicularity is not what gave him power but whatever abilities (likely Shard he may or may not be the Vessel of) he gained allowed him to create a perpendicularity, however short lived.

Metal and fantasy are the best

>>16787726

WEW LADS
hope you're ready to see this Urithiru posted for the next 4 years :)

>>16788040
oh no that was actually an oathbringer image REUSED
here's a new hotness

>>16787599
On it

MIGRATE

>>16788117
>>16788117
>>16788117