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If you're not, you don't think.

It's a Zen buddhist tip

>>16777608
Just the tip as the apprentice said to the master.

>>16777598
>I
Not implied by cognition

>thinking thus being

>>16777598
http://www.jaronlanier.com/zombie.html

>>16777598
A conditional statement implies its contrapositive, not its converse.

I am therefore I think

>>16777598
"I" "know" what "thinking" "is"

I bust nuts therefore I cry

>>16777860
That’s so fucking braindead lmao

>>16777916
Found the pseud

>That’s so fucking braindead lmao

>>16777598
Define "think"

I am, therefore I'll think

>>16778279
A fundamental process of mind that produces categorizations and transformations of concepts, ideas, and observations.

>>16778463
Fucking based.

>>16777860
Lanier is my hero

>>16777598
not what?

I don't think therefore I don't am

>>16777598
I think, therefore I am not.

>>16777598
it's true, because you're just a thought

>>16777781
>>16777608
A quick Koan

Case 54 Zuigans popcorn 十二 巖喚主人
瑞巖彦和尚、毎日自喚主人公、復自應諾。

Zuigan Gen Oshõ told his young monk, "eat of my popcorn"

乃云、惺惺着。□。

His young monk protested, "i wish not to be distracted from the film" but Zuigan insisted.

他時異日、莫受人瞞。□□。

Digging in the popcorn in his masters lap, suddenly the young monk jumped in his seat, "now you have felt the tip of zen"

>>16777598
Didn't some guy say something about how this doesn't make sense because of how thinking relates to time?

>>16779327
http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/zenindex.html

Baseden Shaku, the first Zen teacher to come to America, said: "My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes." He made the following rules which he practiced every day of his life.
In the morning before dressing, light incense and meditate.
Retire at a regular hour. Partake of food at regular intervals. Eat with moderation and never to the point of satisfaction.
Receive a guest with the same attitude you have when alone. When alone, maintain the same attitude you have in receiving guests.
Watch what you say, and whatever you say, practice it.
When an opportunity comes do not let it pass by, yet always think twice before acting.
Do not regret the past. Look to the future.
Have the fearless attitude of a hero and the loving heart of a child.
Upon retiring, sleep as if you had entered your last sleep. Upon awakening, leave your bed behind you instantly as if you had cast away a pair of old shoes.

>>16777793
>Not implied by cognition

> He doesn't constitute his Ego through the passive synthesis of consciousness.

Pleb.

>>16779544
I think the point is that it begs the question

>>16779693

It doesn't, both "I" are constituted passively through the general operation of consciousness.
Doubting the Cogito is utter retardation. Think of it this way; how much should you reasonably bet on the fact that you exist? Answer : Everything. Because if you don't exist you aren't losing anything anyways.

I think I am I think I am I think I am
Or am I?

>>16779801
>Doubting the Cogito is utter retardation. Think of it this way; how much should you reasonably bet on the fact that you exist? Answer : Everything. Because if you don't exist you aren't losing anything anyways.
Equally if you bet nothing on the fact that you exist and you do exist you are losing nothing anyways, as your existence is so omniscient and eternal that the experience of betting nothing on your possible existence is a valid and worthwhile experience.

I am, therefore, by my existence, omnipotent, eternal.
-God

>>16779801
>Doubting the Cogito is utter retardation. Think of it this way; how much should you reasonably bet on the fact that you exist? Answer : Everything. Because if you don't exist you aren't losing anything anyways.
Equally if you bet nothing on the fact that you exist and you do exist you are losing nothing anyways, as your existence is so omniscient and eternal that the experience of betting nothing on your possible existence is a valid and worthwhile experience.

I am, therefore, by my existence, immortal, and omnipotent.
-God

>>16778467
Good job defining thought. It demonstrates well how a doer is at no point implied by or required in the process.

Why do psueds hate this quote so much?

>>16780670
They don't think

>>16780664
That's because the mind is a telepathic instrument, not a cognitive one, see this thing I wrote while I was drunk a few years ago, I am op btw >>/sci/thread/9598295#p9598429

>>16780705
Appreciate the effort but
>>>/x/

>>16780722
Don't take your time haha >>/sci/thread/9598295#p9598465
Ok mate, gl

>I think where I am not, therefore I am where I do not think.
-Jacques Lacan

>>16777598
>>16777604
Exactly this.

>>16780670
only pseuds like this quote

>>16777598
>uses "i" to prove the existence of "i"

>>16777598
Do we think?

>>16780664
Mind is the doer, retard.

>>16781073
Yes of course you fucking dumb nigger.

«COGITO ERGO SVM» —THAT PHRASE DOES NOT MEAN THAT TO BE ONE MUST THINK, NOR THAT THOSE WHO ARE ARE BECAUSE THEY THINK, BUT, RATHER, THAT COGITATION CONSTITUTES THE ENTITY'S ONTIC ACTUALIZATION, WITHOUT WHICH IT WOULD REMAIN POTENTIAL, SUBSISTENT, ONTOLOGICALLY INOPERATIVE, AND WITH WHICH IT BECOMES REAL, EXISTENT, ONTOLOGICALLY OPERATIVE; THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN POTENTIAL BEINGNESS, AND ACTUAL BEINGNESS, IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, LINGUISTICALLY CLEAR ONLY IN THE SPANISH LANGUAGE, WHICH DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN: «SER», AND: «ESTAR».

DESCARTES' DICTVM IS ERRONEOUS, OF COURSE, SINCE COGITATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE ONTIC ACTUALIZATION, BUT, RATHER, MERE EXERCISE OF SAPIENCE; THE ENTITY BECOMES ACTUAL VIA THE SAPIENT ACT —ID EST: VIA CONSUMMATE ACTION MOTIVATED BY, EXECUTED WITH, AND IMPELLED BY, CONSCIOUS INTENT, AND CONSCIOUS PURPOSE.

>>16781570
PIENSO, PORQUE ONIONS

>>16781570
Shut the fuck up you larping faggot. I will kill you.

I ching defo I chang

>>16781679
Blessed

>>16781570
I'm scitzo but I come to here and X and remind myself how much deeper delusion goes. I really hope when I get old I don't go this way, seeing people like this is like seeing the future. I will probs kill myself before then, take a load of LSD, feel at peace then die.

>>16781649
>>16781811
>Can’t understand what he’s saying.
>Better insult or mock him then.

Sad.

I

>>16779409
Heidegger?

>>16781984
I can understand him completely. That doesn't make him any less of an insufferable nigger.

>>16781318
>a process is the doer
Okay but you're basically admitting to just employing language a certain way, not getting to the bottom of any truth.

>>16779409
I think rene was trying to express "I perceive therefore something perceives". the word "think" is a little narrow, and I'm not sure he was trying to express this narrowness. It's been 10+ years since I read it but that was my impression

>>16781570
>CONSUMMATE ACTION MOTIVATED BY, EXECUTED WITH, AND IMPELLED BY, CONSCIOUS INTENT, AND CONSCIOUS PURPOSE.
where do you understand these two, intent and purpose, as coming from?

>>16782439


INTENT OR VOLITION IS THE EXERCISE OF THE WILL; A PURPOSE IS A PROSPECTIVE END THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD IN SPACETIME FOR ITS EVENTUAL REALIZATION.

CONSCIOUSNESS IS UNNECESSARY FOR THE EXERCISE OF THE WILL, AND FOR THE SETTING FORTH OF A PROSPECTIVE END.

>>16782400
The mind is the thing doing the process.

>>16782581
>CONSCIOUSNESS IS UNNECESSARY FOR THE EXERCISE OF THE WILL
can you give an example of something which is not conscious that exercises will?

>>16782612


(I) ANIMALS, (II) THE MAJORITY OF HUMANS.

>>16782591
All things are part of the process. See chaos theory.

>>16777598
NPCs btfo

>>16780792
But what about the little man?
>>16781073
I think we do.

>>16781579
>PORQUE ONIONS
cracks me the tf fuck up

>>16782400
>employing language a certain way, not getting to the bottom of any truth.

The Cogito employs language *to* get at the bottom of a truth. It has nothing (or very little) with active cognition or "ontological realization", like this >>16781570 cunt here is trying to claim.
The Cogito reveals an epistemological value to act of self-reflection in language. The "I" is first "constituted" at the level of pure logic by the fact that we ontically represent a single point-of-view. It is purely self-referential and lack any further content. We *are* ontically individuated, but more importantly we are ontically individuated actors that can self-reference their act.