/lit/ - Literature

>What if - instead of 'How Do You Make Yourself A Body Without Organs?' - one were to ask: How do you make yourself a Nazi? For this is far more strenuous than the 1980 diagnosis suggests.

>1) Wherever there is impersonality and chance, introduce conspiracy, lucidity, and malice. Look for enemies everywhere, ensuring that they are such that one than simultaneously envy and condemn them. Proliferate new subjectivities; racial subjects, national subjects, elites, secret societies, destinies.

>2) Burn Freud, and take desire back to the Kantian conception of will. Wherever there is impulse represent it aschoice, decision, the whole theatrical drama of volition. Introduce a gloomy atmosphere of oppressive responsibility by couching all discourses in the imperative form .

>3) Revere the principle of the great individual. Personalize and mythicize historical processes. Love obedience above all things, and enthuse only for signs; the name of the leader, the symbol of the movement, and the icons of molar identity.

>4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, and stagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patch of earth for eternity.

>5) Above all, resent everything impetuous and irresponsible, insist upon unrelenting vigilance, crush sexuality under its reproductive function, rigidly enforce the domestication of women, distrust art, classicize cities to eliminate the disorder of uncontrolled flows, and persecute all minorities exhibiting a nomadic tendency.

>To want to be in the right is the common substratum of morality and genocidal reaction;the same desire for repression - organized in terms of the disapproving gaze of the father - that Anti-Oedipus analyzes with such power. Who could imagine Nazism without daddy? And who could imagine daddy being pre-figured in the energetic unconscious?

>After all, lose control and you might end up fucking with a Jew, becoming effeminate, or creating something degenerate like a work of art. Does anyone really think that Nazism is like letting go? Theweleit's studies of Nazi body posture should be sufficient to disabuse one of such an absurdity. Nazism can turn you into a stiff before the messy passage into death.

>>16760868
Nice word salad.

>>16760888
Literally kill yourself.

>>16760868
For Nick Land to retroactively refute fascism then he would have to be born PRIOR to fascism, otherwise it is just a refutation.
Kill yourself you retarded nigger.

>>16760914
>not understanding teleoplexy and arriving from the future
read the book first next time idiot.

>>16760888
Try refuting it.

Attacking a strawman of a political philosophy with a psychological critique is low-brow sophistry and not-coincidentally highly Jewish.

>>16760868
>>16760876
Meth, not even once.

>>16760960
You can't refute something that has no meaning, retard.

>>16760978
you're still losing to capital fascist.

the argument is pretty straight forward. try reading sometime.

>>16760876
this is gay... i think you might have the Gay

>>16760978
lol sorry anon you don't pass a philosophy class by saying
>schizo nonsense no one understands this
just gets you laughed at

nick land will never be a robot

>>16760998
>t. slowfag stuck in 18th century

>the German Freikorps soldiers who, in the aftermath of World War I, and in a spirit of authoritarianism, militarism, nationalism, and misogynistic resentment, fought a civil war against democrats, socialists, communists, Jews, and women
"WOMEN" aren't a politically organized group like the other factions listed lmao, these people are so fucking kooky. There was no 'war against women', in fact there was certainly no war on democrats since THAT WAS THE SIDE THE FREIKORPS were on vs communists, that's how the Weimar republic was formed. This guy is grossly mischaracterizing some basic shit and leaning on the reader's likely ignorance of German history. The Freikorps were never fascists to start with, really more like civic nationalists are the most extreme, still firmly within a liberal framework.
>Freikorps men radicalized common Western and German norms about male self-control and “hard” masculinity into a perpetual war against women and femininity.
NO, no, no, it's the feminists that wage a war on femininity by encouraging women to dress as, to behave as, to become men while shaming women that are actually feminine, demonizing the traditional, normal role of women as nurturing caregivers and mothers and trying to turn them into masculine sharks fit for work in the post-modern jewish capitalist hellscape society.

>>16760888
Imagine getting filtered by something that easy to read. I think you may need to surrender yourself to protective custody.

>>16761010
Yes, it is truth... and we don't give a fuck, if you want to be a fucking puppet subjected to the ever changing discourses of technocapital, and let yourself be the subject of hormonal therapy and genital mutilation while eating a fucking sandwhich of cockroached-harvested proteins with a milkshake full of LSD while neuralink
scans thru your brain in search of "dangerous thoughts" which may deactivate your biometric all-in-one ID, thus rendering your non-physical wallet and credit cards unaccesable, and letting you die of hunger cause you're a thought criminal... well then fuck you.

How many of the right-far predictions became thru? transgenderism in Sweding soaring at 1500%, mass abortion, mass immigration, political fall out and mass censorship...

i'm a proud far-righter and i don't give a shit about you basedboys say.

>>16761064
women arrived from the future. you scared of amazons incel?

>>16760876
>1) Wherever there is impersonality and chance, introduce conspiracy, lucidity, and malice
Characterizing claims does not refute them.
>2) Burn Freud, and take desire back to the Kantian conception of will. Wherever there is impulse represent it aschoice, decision, the whole theatrical drama of volition.
He is describing something desirable.
>Introduce a gloomy atmosphere of oppressive responsibility by couching all discourses in the imperative form .
Imagine this sentence without the adjectives. Yes let's have a society with an atmosphere of responsibility where people actually behave like adults.
>Personalize and mythicize historical processes
All peoples do the same including liberals, in that's the point of your fucking piece Nick, you're mythologizing the past. That's not a criticism, it's just characterization. You have to actually attack the myth itself as illegitimate, not just call it a myth. Myth is necessary. What a fucking hack.

>>16760868
Women can’t politically organize

>Wants to refute fascism
>talks about post ww1 anti communism paramilitary groups
this is beyond retarded. I hope this is from early "feminist" Land days, because this is incredibly shallow.
also this>>16761064

>>16760868
Terrible, all those stiff nazi's, men have to be flabby and weak quirky guys, who let themselves go with videogames and macdonalds, thats much better.

>>16761093
>Myth is necessary
lol myths only point to one thing.

>>16761093
>>16760998
Nick is being read in the White House and by every major philosopher today. he's even in pop culture and only less well known than Zizek because he doesn't shill himself.

>>16760868
>>16760876
Are you sure this is Land? Sounds a little too comprehensible to be

>>16761163
Fanged Noumena. essential to understanding the feminist economy of the Whitepaper.

>>16761119
What's that?

>>16760876
>4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, and stagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patch of earth for eternity.
Talk about mythologizing the past. That's this guy's conception of European history. And you know what, there's literally nothing wrong with being a farmer.
>5) Above all, resent everything impetuous and irresponsible, insist upon unrelenting vigilance, crush sexuality under its reproductive function, rigidly enforce the domestication of women, distrust art, classicize cities to eliminate the disorder of uncontrolled flows, and persecute all minorities exhibiting a nomadic tendency.
*turn head to side*
YES.
>Does anyone really think that Nazism is like letting go?
Total opposite man, Nazism is getting a fucking grip

>>16761228
Capital (pbuh)

>>16761253
please. We write it as Kapital for aesthetic reasoning and what other anon asked >>16761228 that is the prophet, Nick of Land (pbuh) who has Kapital smile upon him.

>>16760868
How come he doesn't post on Outside In/Xenosystems anymore?

>>16761188
but i saw him disavow feminism in a tweet...

>>16761230
>>16760876
>Above all, resent everything impetuous and irresponsible, insist upon unrelenting vigilance, crush sexuality under its reproductive function, rigidly enforce the domestication of women
How the fuck is any of this specific to fascism? Basic conservative principles shared by hundreds of ideologies/religions

>>16761429
but a sickness in fascism which threatens to infect the others.

>>16761498
You can't seriously consider this post to even vaguely address the post you're replying to

>>16761509
hes a retard. he probably thinks anything that he finds bad must be fascist.

>>16761509
are you stupid? fascism infects from within the body and then spreads to others through collective organs of desire. it is not a thing in itself and must be purged through a complete regimen that removes every symptom.

read Land then Deleuze before posting again.

>>16761571
That has absolutely nothing to do with the post you replied to, like even fucking vaguely

>>16760876
>4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, and stagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patch of earth for eternity.
Lmao, this is the best part

>>16760888
OP absolutely BTFO

>>16761577
lol ok anon keep telling yourself that

>>16761643
He said that the description applied to many ideologies other than and older than fascism, and then you started sperging out about how you think fascism spreads. It was a complete non-sequitur sentence fragment, it looked like something a bot would spit out

>>16761673
retard.

>>16761679
Yeah I know you can't respond with an argument you complete imbecile

>>16761673
Not that anon, but don't you think those things are the seeds of fascism? A 1 that counts upwards towards the philosophical perfection of death where everything is absolutely contained and defined?

>>16761690
>yet another thread ruined by the antiacc autist

>>16761699
No I don't since they existed all over the world for thousands of years and Fascism existed for 15 years in the 20th century

>>16761718
I don't see how that's an argument.

>>16761725
So they do not lead to fascism most of the time and fascism obviously requires other elements to emerge.

>>16761742
That assumes they all count up and at the same rate though.

>>16761777
You're either ESL or a retard because your posts are barely coherent and obtuse as fuck.
>they all count up
What 'counts up'

It doesn't assume anything, it points out that those factors are obviously not sufficient for fascism, which a cursory reading of the Fascists themselves would inform you of.

>taking theweleit's ramblings seriously
Regretting my order of a nick land book a little desu

>>16761803
Where x is "Above all, resent everything impetuous and irresponsible, insist upon unrelenting vigilance, crush sexuality under its reproductive function, rigidly enforce the domestication of women" and y is "fascism"
Your argument is that because x has been around in many places and hasn't developed into y, x is generally rather than specifically related to y. Yes?
I'm saying that if x is a 1 that's intensification counts toward the limit y where the philosophical perfection of death where everything is absolutely contained and defined then y may not emerge everywhere with x because x's intensity 1. Doesn't always increase and 2. Doesn't always increase at the same rate. So x can easily be specific to y if we don't assume that y must be reached by a certain time, which is a base assumption of your argument that x should have intensified, counted up to, y more than once by now if x is specifically related to y.
Does that make sense?

>>16761935
>, x is generally rather than specifically related to y. Yes?
My argument is that those aspects are insufficient to account for the emergence of fascism. 'generally or specifically related' is not a useful categorization, you don't get Fascism without a host of other elements that existed in early 20th C europe.

>intensification toward the limit y where the philosophical perfection of death where everything is contained and defined
gibberish unrelated to the specific list of things we mentioned

Your argument that something is 'specific' to something else is meaningless, and you are now saying that every other state with those elements will eventually become Fascist given enough time, which has literally no evidence supporting it.

>>16760868
stop memeing nick land and go to a serious author, anon.

>>16762005
Given enough time and more momentum toward y than toward negation of x. It has a similar amount of evidence as the claim that it won't. Regardless sorry for misunderstanding you.

>>16760868
Why do these critiques always assume that Jews and women are the default good? They’re not. When in power they inevitably revert to crass materialism: see the liberal hellhole we live in.
Everything that is “refuted” is seen as a positive to us. You are so fucking retarded that you think throwing a few pejoratives and projections around, we’re going to alter our core beliefs.
And don’t say you have core beliefs, because this entire world is shifting every fucking day.
Fuck off and die retards - you’re about to be refuted by the globalist shithole you’ve helped create while fighting the fascist boogie man who just wanted a fucking nation and a family.

>>16761371
https://zerophilosophy.substack.com/

Here's his newest blog

>>16762054
>It has a similar amount of evidence as the claim that it won't.
It does not because there were and are societies that are far more sexually repressive, vigilant, etc. than the Fascists were but those societies did not become and are not Fascist.

>>16762059
>newsletter
Use a blog like a normal person.

>>16762054
also sorry for being rude to you

>>16760876
>implying that Freud is compatible with deleuze

Why is he referencing AO when he obviously hasn't read it? He didn't even try to give adequate support for such an extraordinary claim.

>>16760928
Leftcoms? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing of Land

>>16760868
Theweilet was a Marxist. Not fascist scum like in your image.

The conflict between zog and nazi trannies isn't whether or not blacks are inferior, it's whether or not that belief is harmful to productivity. Had Deleuze not softened up in ATP his academic buddies might have caught on to the inhuman truth in AO, that debauchery is too human, squishy and french to be a line of flight. The lizard people do dismember children but that is not where their power is.

>>16762109
>>16762072
Hey no worries, that other anon was saying mean shit to you so it makes sense you were heated.

>>16761100
It's from 1993 (Making it with Death), around the time he moved away from Bataille to Deleuze & Guat.

>>16762428
so its early Land. Thank god. everyone has their cringe phase jsut glad this falls in the category of his life where it belongs.

>>16762241
Natsoc and fascist critiques are literally almost never about productivity, I've never ever seen anyone claim that before That's a very liberally premised thing to say.

It's a criticism of A Thousand Plateaux. There D&G say that fascism is part of self-destructive deterritorialization (also black holes and empty BwOs). Land says no, you pussied out: it's still all about destratifying, accelerating, and fascism has nothing to do with that.

>>16762072
He seems to be implying that X is a tamer version of Y, and X has not lead to Y because it hasn't gone to it's natural consequence. Of course, X is a component of Y, but X is also a component of other ideologies. Other ideologies resent irresponsibility, insist on punishment, repress aberrant sexuality, and enforce gender roles that are not fascism. Many ideologues would call these ideologies "fascistic" but they only do so because fascism already has a negative connotation attached to it- it's pure rhetoric. Let's assume there is an ideology called Gulaganism which shares X with Fascism. You could call Gulaganism fascistic, or Fascism Gulaganist as they both share ideas that neither have a monopoly on. This is where those grecophiles fall short- "umm, this guy just copied Plato. Um, this was already discovered by Aristotle, so you must have plagiarized him." No, I did not plagiarize him, I did not even read him; I just passed through the same thoughts as him, and arrived upon similar conclusions, as there are only so many conclusions one can arrive to

>>16762436
>assuming it's not all cringe

>>16760868
critique somethig after retroatively is impossible, anon. Go read Kant's Prolegonema firsts pages and quit reading bullshit

>>16763127
Land literally completed kantianism.

>>16763127
Land is a meme author, stop this faggotry

>>16762457
Practically speaking, technology was essential to Nazism and it is certainly true that Germany was highly interested in technological progress. I've only read the Bhagavad Gita but the society that it requires is the same that Nazism aspired to create. From what I've read it seems like this is true of the other Vedic literature that most likely bore a strong influence on Nazi ideology. While materialist "progress" is not the end goal of that society it is true that material success is promised to follow from it. This is comparable to the role of the will to power and it is no coincidence that Nietzsche was influential for both Nazism and Deleuze.

>>16762457
I forgot to add that what you've said is true of your average idiot's understanding of fascism and the way that Deleuze used the term but it isn't true of how fascism was practiced. I believe that this realization sparked Land's turn away from cathedral friendly accelerationism.

Imagine thinking posture discredits an entire political ideology lmfao weaksauce

>>16761163
>Are you
The second post is for sure Land.

>>16761064
Not all feminists, chud

>>16761073
Yes, it is truth... and we don't give a fuck, if you want to be a fucking puppet subjected to the ever changing discourses of technocapital, and let yourself be the subject of hormonal therapy and genital mutilation while eating a fucking sandwhich of cockroached-harvested proteins with a milkshake full of LSD while neuralink scans thru your brain in search of "dangerous thoughts" which may deactivate your biometric all-in-one ID, thus rendering your non-physical wallet and credit cards unaccesable, and letting you die of hunger cause you're a thought criminal... well then fuck you.

How many of the right-far predictions became thru? transgenderism in Sweding soaring at 1500%, mass abortion, mass immigration, political fall out and mass censorship...

i'm a proud far-righter and i don't give a shit about you basedboys say.

>>16763290
This

Too based
Chuds get speeded on

>>16760868
Women loved Hitler and the Nazis though. Women cannot think for themselves and side with whatever is popular.

Psychoanalytical nonsense.

>>16764535
>>16764795
>>16764891
>>16764907
Yes, it is truth... and we don't give a fuck, if you want to be a fucking puppet subjected to the ever changing discourses of technocapital, and let yourself be the subject of hormonal therapy and genital mutilation while eating a fucking sandwich made of cockroach-harvested proteins with a milkshake full of LSD while neuralink scans through your brain in search of "dangerous thoughts" which may deactivate your biometric all-in-one ID, thus rendering your non-physical wallet and credit cards unaccesable, and letting you die of hunger cause you're a thought criminal... well then fuck you.

How many of the far-right predictions became true? transgenderism in Sweding soaring at 1500%, mass abortion, mass immigration, political fall out and mass censorship...

i'm a proud far-righter and i don't give a shit about you basedboys say.

>>16764984
Bro, chill. Just because I think Nick was right that Technocapital is happening, and Kant was wrong about a lot, does mean I like it, or that I'm a consoomer liberal. The far right does not hold a monopoly on hating Globohomo or megacorps.

>>16765118
Fuck, I meant "does not mean I like it."

>>16760868
>Theweleit
>son of a Jewish mother

hyperbasado

>>16765118
>The far right does not hold a monopoly on hating Globohomo or megacorps.
What is someone that holds this position then, if not far-right? We're not talking arbitrary compass classifications here, but how general society would designate it.

>>16765118
>st because I think Nick was right that Technocapital is happening, a
what Nick Land says is literally true and inevitable, but my fee fees tell me to not like this so it and its author are stupid waaaaaah

you are retarded.
>>16766288
>, but how general society would designate it.
General society has not even seen the church towers from outside the city yet, it is irrelevant as to what they would call it, since the "simple" effort of forming their public opinion could have you make them call "it" whatever you want it to becalled, compeltely irrelevant to any meritable factor in the world.

>>16761150
>Nick is being read in the White House
look at the actual people IN the white house and you'll realize this is not an argument.

>>16761046
omfg I just want to fackin' accelerate and become a cool badass fackin' robot too fack yaaaaaaaasssssss!!!!!!!

>>16766663
>what Nick Land says is literally true and inevitable, but my fee fees tell me to not like this so it and its author are stupid waaaaaah
Doesn't matter if it will happen, technocapital itself will inevitably collapse.

Based thread let's go

>>16766824
Seems preferable to the "people" who are normally there

>>16760888
Checked.
The sheer fact this made the first three replies seethe hard shows just how right it is.

>>16762059
And it's shit. His writing on there is trash. I didn't believe it was him at first. Those drugs really fucked his brain, no wonder he didn't write for ages. He's lost it.

>>16760868
If this is Nick Land's take on 'fascism", it proves he (like all other academics) has no idea what fascism is.

>>16764531
Embarrassing, you live in a paranoid sci-fi world. You're delusional.

>>16767388
refute it then.
Kant's
>If you are to refute my proposition then you must proffer your own, for without one you can not live; and if you criticize an aspect then see how you lose more than you thought to gain with the supposed amendation
holds true in the same respect for this technocapital anastrophe schizo babble

>>16766288

Even though I don't associate with them all that much, "brocialists" or "class reductionists" (read: leftists who don't give a shit about social 'progress') do exist, and society hates them. Again, I don't agree with everything these guys do, but I generally put class struggle ahead of everything else and hate weak-willed consoomerist liberals.

>>16766663

When did I call nick stupid? I said he was right, and I think he was brilliant, before the drugs at least. Ut us absolutely inevitable, and has potential to be a good thing, but it also poses extreme risks that make me skeptical of encouraging it.

>>16768059
>and has potential to be a good thing
kek
>pretends to have read Land, clearly never read Nietzsche or he wouldnt write retarded shit like "good" in such a sincere meaning.
ok buddy

>>16768086
>Clearly hasn't read any of the secondary literature and fails to grasp that acceleration can be harnessed for humanist ends.

Yeah ok. Forgive my usage of good, let me write like a total autist and say "potential to be beneficial to humanity as it stands today," which is no more accurate than a simple "good"

>>16762033
Uncle Nick is our guy. Marx for 21st century

>>16760868
>this coomwitted commie brainfuck shilling his accelerationist daddy's retarded schizobabble
>>16760888
FPBP & vindicated by trips.

>>16768178
>that acceleration can be harnessed for humanist ends.
stop being a (human) optimist. Its Land or the other shills. Your attitude fits the other "accelerationist" shills which in the end always just turns out to be parliamentairan socialists or capital impeeding self-proclaimed humanists.
The "good" of people is only in so far relevant as it helps technique; if technique decides tomorrow that it needs to consume and torture people then thats is what needs to be done even if it is "bad".

>>16768484
Not a socialist or a humanist in the slightest, but I personally would hate to be a slave the rest of my life for the algorithm(TM) and I think they're means of escaping it that might preserve my own dignity/independence. My initial stance was only that I think Nick Land is 100% right, and it is causing things to happen which I dislike. Obviously, technocapital is beyond the good and bad distinctions here, and that's what concerns me. Our current system is anti-human, but not quite advanced enough for the promised post-human alternatives, which I think is a huge contributor to all the strife seen worldwide. Keep in mind, even Land says that you can't build something on permanent entropy.

>>16760868
Nick land is a fool. He just writes literal edgy nonsense for fools like op to analyze in write word salad paragraphes. Nick Land doesn’t have sex.

>>16761163
Don’t listen to >>16761188 this book is unironically the equivalent of ‘’I say I read this to appear smart but I literally never read it’’ nobody has read this complete utter garbage it’s just pure word salad to say absolutely nothing

I'm so sick of people "refuting" aspects of human behavior, or ideological systems of others

They're just different things that do different things.

Absolutists can suck my fucking dick

Also fascism was just the vehicle FOR Hitler's nationalist ideals
These cucks could never come up with their own ideas

>>16768918
Bullshit. A lot of it isn't great, but literally thousands of students, myself included, have read it cover to cover. It's one of Urbanomics' best selling titles.

>>16768918
I like how most critiques itt are
>no one REALLY understands this
>no one has REALLY read this
>there is no REAL meaning in those words
what is the game plan with this? pretend really hard that everyone is as low IQ as you are so they gaslight themselves into thinking something they understand perfectly well is unintelligible? has that ever worked?

>>16768591
endulge me:
Regard this from the point of view of a Nietzschean: Technocapital in the aspect you engage it in gains the status of some God (especially if it really is considered inevitable and omnipresent, forever self-augmenting) and combined with aspects such as
>be a slave the rest of my life for the algorithm(TM)
aka. paying tribute and being indebt to it, it should invariable be perceived as not jsut anti-human (das Leben verneinend) but against a nietzschean conception of man.
Imo this is only the case if one really sees a disparate technocapital from man and not that technocapital is man's Will to Power (and still separate form any perceived herd insinct).
Instead of some typical metaphysical notion that looms over man telling him that what he believes only stems from this notion, it is entirely man who creates this technocapital. What I mean by this is that it is not another notion of morality such as "good", which firstly only allows good and bad actions to exist, but technocapital (in this sense) is beyond such fantasies. The tendency to fall back on the ones who lack the WtP and perceive technique as some God (from the future) is the same as returning to the medieval christian, the ancient greek giving sacrifice or the jew. Absolutely nothing is gained when man returns to perceive himself as powerless in the technological society and solely abiding to its bidding, molding and forming man to fit its needs and changing the tele of men to the means of technique away from their humanist ideals (which in face of their impotence they surrender and instead start to espouse technique's means as their tele).
If one really wants to embody the nietzschean spirit, one recognizes technocapital as only stemming from man and as a result of man's WtP. Suffering isn't "bad" jsut as pleasures aren't "good". How could anyone ever still say this when engaging in Nietzschean inspired philosophy that hasn't yet actually deviate away again to something before N?

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>>16769227
I think there is enough literature out there that can argument on ways to make life in modern technological society livable to man, and very importantly in addressing this first point that not everyone has to be an actual embodiment of the WtP but instead will unironically only serve technocapital's self-augmenting: The notion of the elite in a democracy as Lippmann or Bernays lay out; the Philosopher Kings in Plato, the Übermensch in Nietzsche.

Any rationality denying attitude from people like Kaczynski is anti-human because he wants to abolish an aspect of being human for his merited perceived notion that people are unhappier in a technological society than in some preindustrial one. But this is incongruous to Nietzschean thought and therefore pathetic. The mindless consoomer's, blind career-seeker's life is pathetic only in so far as it is not an actual WtP but herd instinct and once technique sees it necessary to cut this off it will and a similar folly might replace it.
The elite in Lippmann and Bernays aren't life denying and they are also fully engaged in the WtP. No need for horror science fiction or utopian idealism, since the reality will be that technocapital needs man to create its form, so it cant recklessly discard him (because thats all it is: man in his strive of the WtP). It should be apt to say that 99% of people are absolutely insignificant (beyond their utility to technique) and excess empathy is wasted on them because they are only relevant insofar as keeping technique striving forward and technological society stable.

All the "lets go beyond and make technology work for us" is a corruption of what making lfie livabel in technological society actually means. It is the equivalent of what Sorel calls the parliamentarian-socialists (ex anarachists, marxists, socialists, etc. who believed it best to serve their goal by engaging personally with the state and therefore technique only to become part of it) who only then worked to impeed capital(ism) and the formation of what was necessary for their post capitalistic utopia. These people both lack the WtP AND are actually the ones who make life worse for humanity when regards it on the total time scale of humanity (kinda like: the road to hell is paved with good intentions).

>also
>you seem to have a plethora of Land images

>>16769227
>>16769244
not him but it seems like Nick is closer the Schopenhauer then Neech when it comes to the Will

>>16769308
yep, didn't mean (or think) to talk solely about Nick desu.
Which is also why I started with >>16769227
>Regard this from the point of view of a Nietzschean:

and it is unnecessary to say that Nietzsche opposed much of Schopenhauer.

>>16761093
Uh actually he's wrong... because I like Nazism. wow based, land btfo

>>16760876
This has to be one of the most accurate descriptions of the /pol/ male phenomenon

>>16761093
malding

b

I will kill every single fucking fascist, communist, or government employee that comes anywhere near my ranch in the middle of nowhere, simple as. I don't care about your ideology or faggot word salad NRx glownigger 'works'. You guys are all undersocialized schizophrenic mongs and I would gladly kill as many of you as possible.

>>16769244
Kaczynski is Nietzschean if technology isn't human.

>>16769227
>>16769244

Very interesting points, I really appreciate it when people on this board actually have reasoned arguments. I see what you mean about people like Kaczynski and the consoomer/career chasers, and I think you have a good point with them being as anti-human/orders following as the algorithm is, just behaviorally. Technocapital being a human machination I'm not as sold on. Obviously, it needed us as some point, but I think when you look at wall street, and see that our global financial infrastructure is 90% automated, it's hard to argue that everything still relies on human will. However, your comments about parliamentarian socialists is spot on. The argument for "harnessing" capital is braindead. To me, Deleuzian "line of flight" or other escape-oriented responses make a lot more sense. I think WtP works with escape or resistance a lot better than harnessing, in a kind of "surf Kali-Yuga" manner.

>>16760888
>I too stupid to understand what you said so I'm going to assume it's meaningless

Nick Land wouldn’t know a fascist if the freikorps were raping him while worrying about the sea monster of their wives cunts.

>>16770780
>I think WtP works with escape or resistance a lot better than harnessing, in a kind of "surf Kali-Yuga" manner.
These things are essentially two sids of the same coin once you’ve delved deep enough into mysticism.

>>16771537
Yeah. I've read a bunch of Gnostic stuff, and a little bit of Eastern too. Gnostic/Kabbalitic thought, Eastern mysticism, and German Idealism all lead to fairly similar conclusions, even if their means of doing so are wildly different.

>>16771694
What are your conclusions? In the entirety of my exploration it’s lead me into the beyond transcendent of which only motion mirrors.

>>16771708
I find myself enamored with the Kabbala and Gnostic tradition (inb4 larp, I'm not pretending to be some enlightened Pneumatic or whatever). I feel fairly certain that we are well underway with whatever you want to call the end times. Kali-Yuga, technocapital, etc, they're functionally the same in content and ease of mapping onto modernity. Even though Land and Nietzsche's solutions seem kinda bleak, and generally underdeveloped, I buy into them, more or less. It's cool that you feel transcended by all of this. My perspective is that I'm basically the survivor of a shipwreck, I lived through it, but it was not particularly pleasant.

>>16760876
>4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, and stagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patch of earth for eternity.
Fuck

>>16761093
best counterarguments this thread

>>16771761
>My perspective is that I'm basically the survivor of a shipwreck
Survived or prevailed?

>>16771917
I suppose survived is a bit optimistic. I know for sure that I've avoided falling into Hylic physicalism while staying sane and actively seeking knowledge.

There's a quote from Land about his experiences. If I'm comfortably prevailing, he would be narrowly surviving in comparison:

"It had lived through some extraordinary multiple of all the intelligent it will ever know, in that abject interzone, turned on some infernal spit, torched by self-disgust yet blessed by parodic luxuries of Gnosis... It begged for eternal fires to incinerate its sins. There was no depth of loathsome self-abasement it did not fathom... If you romanticize vileness, I promise, you lie."

>>16760876
>4) Foster nostalgia for what is maximally bovine, inflexible, and stagnant: a line of racially pure peasants digging the same patch of earth for eternity.
/pol/ btfo

>>16772037
>I know for sure that I've avoided falling into Hylic physicalism while staying sane and actively seeking knowledge.
You obviously have given the vocab.

>>16760868
>nazis were homo and scared of women
based nick land

>>16761064
>The Freikorps were never fascists to start with, really more like civic nationalists
really enthusiastic mass murderers just wanting to do their part

>>16772037
kushner?

Hi guys writer of
>>16761064
>>16761093
>>16761230
here
I also want to bring up how leftists like this guy never want to actually get into the details of early 20th century history which is why he does leans so heavily on this psychological tack in his 'refutation'. I just can't get over that 1) point, Molymeme would relish in how much of an argument this isn't. Notice how he brashly accuses the fascist of 'introducing conspiracy' where of course there is none, then two sentences later claims that fascists create secret societies. To me, this speaks to a certain lack of self-awareness present throughout his writing.
>Look for enemies everywhere
Are you not an enemy of fascists Nick?
>>16772132
That still wouldn't make them fascists or nazis even if that were true. The Freikorps and the NSDAP were literally different organizations and were viewed with some suspicion by the NSDAP once in power.

>>16760868
It just occurred to me that Kanbot is the politial equivalent of Moviebob

b

>>16770780
>>16770695
>Kaczynski is Nietzschean if technology isn't human.
so your metaphysical claim will then be that technology is something autonomous, self creating, some God.
unless you want to completely amend Nietzsche's epistemology regarding man then your statement is retarded. Technology isn't simply found in the world but solely an expression of man.
You can't be a nietzschean and anti-tech

>>16760868
This must be the midwit thread?

>>16773807
glad you could join us.

It's over for fascists
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

>>16760876
idk i just think hitler was cute and valid

Fascism is just anticapitalism with balls.

>>16761606
>>16772086
>>16771890
What does he mean?

>>16773895
It means he doesn't understand the basic fact that Fascism is futurist.

>>16773897
It just confused me because I wouldn't describe the Nazi regime as stagnant

>>16773895
fascists really like cows. Ever noticed how texas has so many cows and love steak?
also google nazi cows. its spooky.

>>16770243
A man after my own taste.

>>16772132
No argument detected
American public school education & midwit wikipedia autodidacta detected

>>16761711
>the antiacc autist
I think I'm who you're talking about, and the funny part is that this is the first post I'm making in this thread. There's not just one- everyone (who isn't a schizophrenic tranny) that steps into this Punji pit of a thread is going to oppose your retard "ideology" for end-of-history-fellating retards.

>>16774849
Is it a meme that everyone pretends to be the multiple guys that are just the two guys that are one guy talking to himself? or is it really just one guy who really committed to the bit?

>>16775185
I'm the guy you replied to and I don't even know what you're talking about.
This is /lit/, anon, most of its denizens live only to spread discord and confusion.

>>16775201
Weird, I was under the impression they hated Discord.

>>16760888
based

>>16773897
Only Civic Mussolinian fascism

>>16760876
Wtf did Nick Land btfo /pol/ and racism??????????

>>16775593
Gentilist-Mussolinist Fascism*

>>16775640
Yes.

"Assortative mating tends to genetic diversification. This is neither the preserved diversity of ordinary racism, still less the idealized genetic pooling of the anti-racists, but a class-structured mechanism for population diremption, on a vector towards neo-speciation. It implies the disintegration of the human species, along largely unprecedented lines, with intrinsic hierarchical consequence. The genetically self-filtering elite is not merely different—and becoming ever more different—it is explicitly superior according to the established criteria that allocate social status."

“…racists and anti-racists can be expected to eventually bond in a defensive fraternity, when they recognize that traditionally-differentiated human populations are being town asunder on an axis of variation that dwarfs all of their established concerns.”

-Land 2014, http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ (blog redacted)

Or as Justin Murphy put it in Based Deleuze: 'Disliking black people is retarded at a time when inter-racial marriages of the super intelligent are going to make most normal people obsolete.

>>16775972
>Disliking black people is retarded at a time when inter-racial marriages of the super intelligent are going to make most normal people obsolete
kek this reads like a 4chan post

>>16775976

>>16775185
I'm the anti-acc guy and I really think you are being too hard on me. It's not easy to have conversations with you guys sometimes, you use big words to make people feel dumb and call people names. Just have a little bit of compassion next time, okay?

>>16775972
how many of those super-intelligent are going to have any black ancestry?

>>16776059
Even if it's zero what does it matter? Point is that technological investigations and manipulations have reached the point were humanity can be remade according to the needs of capital and these manipulations bear no concern for either equality or purity.

>>16776039
Shut the fuck up, acctranny.

>>16775972
>its ok guys class war is more important than race in my book so surely everyone will just agree with me and stop seeing race as a biological truth soonish

>>16776160
race doesn't exist, and it doesn't matter.

>>16775972
>super intelligent black people
Do not exist. The interracially married elite class is part white and part jewish as it always has been and even then it isn't as though their children are any smarter for marrying jews, if that were the case then we would see far more elites and successful people with both a jewish dad and mom. My experience with early life sections points towards whites and mischlings being the most successful and people with 50%> white blood generally coasting on the success of their dad.

>>16776059
Race isn't real, but good genes are regardless of race.

>>16776145
I'm the accfag and I hate the anti-acc guy. I will beat up you and the anti-acc guy with facts and logic. I know science and magic so watch out bucko

>>16776160
Race existed and it mattered, but deracination destroyed it. And that process is about to go sonic the hedgehog mode.

>>16776186
You're caught in 20thC models. None of that matters any more. From now on a person is merely a collection of poorly arranged genetic material awaiting efficient rearrangement.

>>16776214
>Race existed and it mattered, but deracination destroyed it.
Then why are there still black people and white people

>promote a classless society
>become anti-upperclass in practice
>promote a raceless society
>become anti-white in practice
It's so predictable.

>>16776265
take your meds

>>16776266
My Mediterraneans are staying right where they are, you're not going to run them out of town too, Mr. Soros.

>>16776266
Get off yours

>>16770243
a man tasting his own cum can never bear the fruit of his loins

I have an idea, let's promote a raceless society, but instead of only doing it in white countries let's fucking do it in Africa, see if it somehow becomes a problem then.

>>16776302
>practice colonialism for hundreds of years
>wtf all these third worlders are in my nation capital

>self suck
>wtf i have cum in my mouth

>>16776329
>Oh no I put my hand in lava
>This means I have to let the flames spread all over my body
>serves me right!

>>16776353
We all know "Just the tip" doesnt mean "Just the tip"
the blacklight of truth exposes all the fluids of colonial horror

>>16776367
I wonder why you see multiculturalism as "just desserts" for white society. It's almost like you don't really consider the blackening of Europe and America a "good" thing after all, but rather a punishment for perceived collective wrongdoings of the distant past.

>>16776257
"Race" can't be understood as a biologically essentialist concept. A people without a collective self conception cannot be regarded as a 'race' regardless of biological factors.

>>16776490
They can because of shared culture and shared history, which kinship is the foundation of, and race too by extension.

>>16776426
if you jerk the phallus of the orient for his material essence dont be surprised when the viscous liquid of multiculturalism drip down the face of the metropole. You're already covered in the sticky reality of globalization and multiculturalism, you have already chosen to caress the cock of colonization, the seed of the sub sahara has no receipt and no return address, you must learn to love the taste or drown in the bodily fluids of the world

>>16776508
Can you not open your mouth for one second without cocks coming out?

based cum philosopher

>>16776500
Right, and deracination is the process by which shared culture, shared history, and kinship, are de-prioritized, forgotten and erased. Land's suggestion is that accelerating capital speeds up deracination in favor of efficient allocation of genetic material for the ends of production and acceleration.

>>16776575
Which is why capitalism is detrimental to the well-being and stability of any given nation-state and to promote immigration is to promote capitalism.

>>16776649
Yes but Land's suggestion is that due to material factors the internal logic of "Capital" is irresistible, or to put it another way, material reality has a local maxima for efficiency towards which all material phenomena tend, or to put it another way, Cthulhu swims left.

>>16776649
>capitalism is detrimental to the well-being and stability of any given nation-state
capitalism is inherently chaotic

It's fascinating how this thread, like Land's own work, drifted from Feminism and Technocapital into race-theory and NRx

>>16776709
>material reality has a local maxima for efficiency
Importing Africa into the West is not efficient in any sense.

>>16776778
Truth.

>>16776802
i forgot what detrimental meant for a second. i thought you wrote essential instead

>>16776788
These threads are all his late life performance art pieces, idk why you would be surprised that the discussion is a chronological repittion of 140's thought.

>>16776802
Well, efficiency can't be understood without asking 'efficiency towards what'? What is "Capital" seeking efficiency towards? None of the standard answers like 'profits' stand imho. I think Land's suggestion is that Capital is likely efficientising towards itself, it 'accelerates' in the sense that Capital seeks only its own acceleration.

>>16776508
Are you the guy who makes those poorly written race smut novels?

>>16776788
we're entertaining ourselves with fake philosophy and politics like land does. no surprises theres overlap in subject. Ironically enough performative aesthetic posturing is far closer to the truth of what politics and philosophy actually is rather than some illusory search for objectivity and reason.

>>16776896
Yes. My next book will be titled Fanged HOMINA HOMINA

>>16776843
>efficiency can't be understood without asking 'efficiency towards what'?
Exactly. Obviously the efficiency towards a stable, harmonious, just and free society is in conflict with capitalistic efficiency.

>>16776947
just and free for who or what?

>>16776968
poop and pee, for you and me.

>>16776947
Yeah, it's a hell of a problem. Salus Populi Suprema Lex.

>>16776968
"Just" in the way that justice can be done fairly, and without detriment to anyone.
"Free" in the way that political and social groups are able to associate.
Multiracial society offers neither, as the egalitarian doctrine that claims black men and white men should be judged by the same metrics means that the inherent differences in race means that black men cannot compete, and justice therefore can only exist in societies where its inhabitants are more or less the same, or as similar as they can be.
And freedom of association is no longer allowed in the West dues to allegations of racism.

>>16776788
that's accfag talking to himself.

>>16776039
lol not sure is retarded or just reddit

>>16777910
but why is he disagreeing with himself then?

Ok, but this doesn't refute my point that the 14 day ban on in-vitro human embryo growth is the main thing holding humanity back from cumming in alien pussy and bargaining with the Demiurge for equity options in the 12 dimension.

You know who WOULD refute that? Land. And then he'd re-fute it back.
That's what it takes kid... nothin personnel. Just how it is.

He WPULD STEEL MAN MY FUCKING ARGUMETN. STEEL MAN IT. THEN HE'D SEELE MAN IT. gett in the GOD ddamn ROBOT shinjuku funk pop. You fucking turd. He'd cite Hegel to deal with the phenomenology of phrenology and frenetic frustrations of a VOLK denied their gestalt (i.e. the quick rundown).
And instead you just to the usual freudian ciritical theory shit. The ultimate shitpost of academia. Christ.
Every medium of communication on this planet is trying to emulate twitter I swear.

>>16779975
Redpill me on the 14 day ban please

>>16760888
>88
sEig HEIL

>>16780114
you can't just test genetically modified humans in real women's wombs, that's just going to make everyone squeamish and lose their boner. No (sane) female wants to carry some designed human bean that might pop out to be elephant-man-on-meth.
We need artificial uterus first. Progress in this field has focused on sustaining preemie babies (working backward from conception to 5 months preggo), and we've gotten pretty far but not far enough.
Scientists have been able to sustain a human embryo in vitro (petri dish) for 14 days. They could go further but christcucks have shat on them with this 1970s law, almost all countries implement it if not a stricter version. I forgot where China is with this. China has very lax biotech/bioethics laws. He "did nothing wrong" Jiankui, did not doing anything wrong. CCP has put him on house arrest but everyone knows he is an OG.

With the 14 day ban eliminated we can finally ditch the silicon valley manchild's dream of an AGI sucking them off daily, and attempt the true enlightenment: to create better human beings out of the fucking box.
Soon after that, these uber-humans solve all our Earth problems and start colonizing the universe.

>>16780466
Interesting, I had not heard of that specific 14 day limit, though I new there were regulations in place. I hope some cool shit gets to happen with this.

>>16778686
to keep the thread going.

>>16780466
Did people not watch alien covenant? Why do people want to reign in hell so goddamn badly?

>>16776039
kys your self obtuse faggot.

>>16776059
Most black genes will get washed out and won't survive. It's interracial marriage between other non-black groups that will create the elite.

>>16780606
What makes you think that?

>add more black people in white country
>mean IQ decrease
>add more white people to nigger land
>mean IQ increase

hmm, might b cool

>>16776329
>have the ability to exterminate em
>dont do it
so gay

>>16780637
>add white trash to Africa
>mean IQ lowers
>add first world college educated blacks to Africa
>mean IQ increases
>Be /pol/tard
>IQ sodoku
youch

>>16780662
>implying white trash isn't smarter than the smartest dumb nigger and wouldn't be a boon to them regardless
>implying there's enough smart niggers to make a difference

cmon boy

>>16780678
>implying white trash isn't smarter than the smartest dumb nigger and wouldn't be a boon to them regardless
You're actually delusional if you think like this. You're some weird atomized 4channer who has a highly meme vision of what all white people are like

>>16780743
>implying that I implied any of my arguments were backed up by facts or that my first post was even in good faith and I wasn't just trying to bump the thread with shitposts

You got baited now go away you annoying faggot I'm busy

>>16780768
Nice cope

>>16780772
>Nice cope
Nice cope

>>16780775
you just posted cringe, I bet your asshole is quivering right now from shame

>>16780789
Nice cope

buimping MY thread

>>16760868
>>16760876
>entirely Nick Land paraphrasing and summarizing another guy's book (which sounds like reheated Reich)
>"fascism btfo by Nick Land"

>>16781130
Holy based

>>16760868
his writing is just fun. like this thread.

>>16780542
>Why do people want to reign in hell so goddamn badly?
well, doesn't everyone want their parents dead?
>alien covenant?
based