/lit/ - Literature

there's a book on gnosticism in thomas mann by grimstad

Imagine marrying an autistic larper

>>16738236
>I'm trying to explain the concepts to my wife
Nothing good comes of this

ah, yes. your "wife"
just have your "wife" read the Apocryphon of John, anon. it's practically the gnostic initiate's handbook and gives a lucid albeit very dense and long-winded rundown of the gnostic cosmology, as well as some of the basic soteriological conceptions toward the end. then move onto the gospel of thomas if you feel like engaging some of the more cryptic material.
alternatively there's a gnostic fiction somewhere in the back of my mind but ill have to do some digging to figure out what it is because my recall hasn't been all that great lately

>>16738274
If you married a retard, sure.
Good luck OP.

>>16738236
There is no shortcut anon. Show her Merkabah, Kabalah, and the Ogdoad.

Has she read Plato yet?

>>16738236
litteraly all art is about gnosticism

>>16738236
what the fuck am I looking at
explain this image

>>16738236
Valis and Fall; or, Dodge in Hell.

Valis is a fun quick overview of some of the core ideas.
And Dodge is a retelling of the bible.
Not that I understand Gnosticism

>>16739657
high iq

>>16740050
sophia (mother of the pain matrix) is checking up on the demiurge (code of reality) to see how he's doing (he isn't)

>>16740409
Wrong. Sophia (mother of the All) is checking up on the Demiurge (father of the pain matrix) to see what he's doing (he's despoiling his own creation for cooms)

>>16738236
is gnosticism anti-environmental because all the world is created by the demiurge? What is the point of art and beauty in a cruel and prison-like world?

>>16740435
that beauty 'is' the point

>>16740435
that's more like albigensianism which is the non larp version of gnostocism

>>16738236
>Phillip K. Dick - Valis
But you should read Plotinus's Enneads who systematically resolved basically all the Gnostic metaphysical contentions

>>16741108
How so?
Everyone says Plotinus refuted Gnostics, but nobody ever says how except by posting that meme quote about suicide which doesn't refute anything.

>>16738236
Why is demiurge spurdo so fucking funny

>>16742469
>demiurge
Why do angloids write the greek word for "creator" in latin letters, instead of just saying ''Creator''.
Do you know how cringe it sounds for someone speaking the language? Are philosophers that much of a pseuds?

>>16742512
>using loan words to express your petty distaste for a particular loan word
Now that's κωμωδία

>>16738236
just watch evangelion lol

>>16738236
Gnostics are losers.
You are a hipster attracted to it because it is exotic.

>>16742449
Its fairly simple - metaphysical dualism is false because matter does not exist - being and goodness are convertible and thus evil-itself does not exist; only increasing/decreasing grades of perfection/goodness.
And since the One cannot emanate a second principle (the one which creates the cosmos) which does not share in its own likeness
thus the creator of the world is good and its creation too is good.

This is a gross simplification but it think if one reads the Proclean propositions (elements of theology) and reads Plotinus or even Augustine Gnosticism seems to have quite the insurmountable intellectual challenge.

>>16742851
Let me rephrase Yiannis
>Are philosophers that much of ψευτοδήθεν?

>>16738236
Blood Meridian's prologue

>>16740409
thanks anon

>>16743086
Based

>>16738406
>The snake was the good guy
Huh?

>>16743779
They think the snake in Eden was Jesus

>>16743086
No, you have made no arguments, just listed presuppositions lol.

>>16740431
Why is Yaldy Baddy such a dick?

>>16741108
Plotonius either had at best a very cursory idea of the Gnostics and their actual beliefs or just intentionally strawmanned them. The people claiming he "BTFO" a diverse group of traditions probably have actually read neither.

>>16744847
Cope

>>16744910
Proclus isn't responding to gnostics, this text isn't even mentioned once by gnostic scholars, if you think Plotinus' own dualisms are resolved you're a fool. Stupid undergrads take one class on Plato and now they're high masters. You're almost as bad as the fundies.

>>16738274
>having a wife

There's your problem.

>>16744910
>Evil is just parhupostatic in being because existence is good, because existence is teleological because dude trust me.

Everything bound in the Law of Causality is the stinking, rotten corpse of Yaldaboath.

What is the definitive way to read the Nag Hammadi in English? I've been meaning to read through the Nag Hammadi Library for a while, but I recall that multiple sections of the only scriptures found were missing several passages because they were destroyed or illegible. At the risk of sounding like a braintet, are they difficult to follow as a result?

>>16738236
Sophia has cute feet :3

How do I into mysticism gnosisbros?

I'm looking for a good (hardcover) book on Gnosticism preferably with the Nag hammadi scriptures, do you have any recs /lit/

>>16744910
based Proclus poster

>>16743794
Just stop it lol.

>>16744847
Such an ascended meme!

>>16746821
The combination of the 4chan lingo (based) and Proclus is humuros to me.

>>16745385
I want sophia to step on my mens :3

best gnostic works
>the office (uk)
>VALIS
>almost every coen brothers movie
>the hitchikers guide to the galaxy (unironically)

>>16747301
Get lost casual.

The Course of the Heart is a pretty good Gnostic novel

>>16747690
Novels are for casuals. Aphoristical collections as well.

Systematic philosophy or formal logic or gtfo!

>>16747301