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>>16736267
What's the point of posting meaningless drivel
These Indian archetypes housed Indian perspectives on metaphysics, and forces at play in the universe that manifest themselves in part through consistent, perpetual human behavior.

A lot of the western philosophers I read people praising here have taken many concepts from the east and made them their own.

>>16736276
You mean from the Greeks, who did the same thing.

>>16736283
And?

>>16736228
You can tell they worship demons just by looking at their religious iconography.

>>16736319
Or that's just your cultural connotation relative to your conditioning

>I can never quite come across any sturdy commentary about under what conditions Kali comes forward.
in English, please

Philosophy is made up
It's the rhetorical version of archetypes
It is, at best, tools to enhance ones life and live through. All having merit and no one being better than any other, though one may be more relevant to an individual or group at a given time.

At worst, which is often found within the western lexicon, and draped all over Greece (ship of theseus) is pure language semantics.

So much if philosophies canon rips from the east, and Buddha will tell you "all wisdom is made up"

There is only the behavior of things, relative to our perception, funneled through our lenses, and behaviors are subject to change. That's the only thing you can comment on. Putting opinion on any behavior is to first imply selfhood and is thus a projection.
Things simply happen, and opinions denote projection which houses identity.
Opinions have merit, they culminate who you are and what you do. Ideally your opinions are that which provise potency, energy, development, agitation, expansion (stretching), to life, but at the end of the day, they're still opinions.

Getting to "the bottom" of philosophy is to see it as a heterarchy where all has merit, meaning, and reason for being.

>>16736354
This is plain English

>>16736228
The poo mental circus is a glorified schizophrenia (which is why women are cling to it), take the buddhist pill.

If you guys have no knowledge on the subject then why do you comment with elitism on something you know nothing of.
I guarantee plenty of your favorite philosophers were musing and chasing after the eastern canon.

http://www.drsvoboda.com/resources/articles/when-kali-comes-to-call/

>>16736371
Buddhism shows it's limits with regards to the actual act of living.
No Buddhist would exploit nature as a means to go to the moon. The tantras make sense of this drama.
Buddha saw the drama and opted out. Other canons see it and opt in as boldly as possible.
Nietzsche was on the doorstep of these ideas. I don't think he ripped the eastern canon to get there, I think he chased anti-monotheism to arrive at this doorstep, but because he searched these ideas by being contrarian, he couldn't freely embrace and embody them without their expression being tethered to anti-status quo authority.
He was ultinately unable to rid himself of his cultural conditioning to actually boundlessly embrace the drama. The tantrics did this without inhibition or even so much as a thought of doing it in opposition of repression, but through a sheer thirst and lust for life at it's peaks.

People will suck Nietzsches dick all day, but he didn't even embody his own philosophy, and the only genuine point of philosophy is a tool for embodiment. Yet people will shit on the east despite their accomplishments in these feats.

>>16736338
the christcuck thinks only in 0 and 1 as the jewish pastor told him to

>>16736490
It's really annoying
Even taking that model, 0 and 1 both have their justifications, merits, and meaning in the world

Jesuits are probably around so the universe can keep a balance while the rest of us have fun lol

>>16736228
Bump

>>16736228
I am a China-man not an India-man but the Bhagavad Gita passage about the three gunas may be relevant?

https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/14

I’ll repost what I posted last time when the topic came up.

This reading list will give you an education on tantra in general, read it top going downwards.

Shiva Sutras
Shiva Samhita
(Optional=abhinavagupta commentary of the gita)
Bhairava tantra (112 meditations )
The secret supreme:Kashmir shivaism (very simplified but still good.)
Kali Kaula(skip if you don’t want Neo-tantra+ historical analysis of tantra and its relations to stuff like Taoism and the general arising of Vedanta and Buddhism from the Upanishads and other such )
Tantra Illuminated (Skip if you don’t want modern lit)
Kaulajnananirnaya
Kularnava Tantra
Anandalahare
Matrikabheda Tantra
Spandakarikas
Paratrisikavivirana
Tantraloka (You can also read when you feel up to it the Tantrasara which is a condensed normie friendly version of the tantraloka written by abhinavagupta to give people a tldr)

Here is a good intro to kali and goddess worship in general Assuming you want the mahavidyas.

While the name of the book is bad the sources in it are legit.

http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=DCD3308CFAC71785FA7C020154BAB6C3

You’re also gonna want to read the Kalika Purana.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalika_Purana

>>16737047

Hey China-man, have you read the baopuzi/studied any ge-Hong?

>>16737047
China bro do you hate Americans

>>16736228

Also in general There’s not just one kali but multiple Kali, there is kali as time, Kali as all Shakti/experience perceptions/awarenesses/powers

There is kali as the Tamas Guna (Tamasi) there is her as the Kaala Tattva, there is her as a generic queen deity, her as a goddess of desire, her as a queen deity, a jackal goddess, and many many many more. There’s hundreds of traditions which have different kali interpretations.

>>16737063
You seem like a real textual Chad, no i have not. I have only studied the Dao De Jing, the Zuangzi The Mumonkan and the Blue Cliff Record. Most of my practice is internal.

>>16737069
I am a China-man not a chinaman

>>16737110

Good stuff king, you’re missing the third most important taoist text though, read the Lieh-Tzu, it’s more or less as important as the Chuang Tzu and the tao te Ching but is much more a model of what most rapists actually behaved and thought like.

Also here’s the neiye, it predates the other major taoist texts, so the Tao te Ching is based on it for example, it’s also the origin of qi-gong stuff.

https://terebess.hu/english/tao/Graham-Lieh-tzu.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liezi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neiye

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/38585/38585-pdf/38585-pdf.pdf

You’ll likely really enjoy them.

>>16737144
Thanks king, the Tao is truly boundless.

>>16737163

Whoops, spell check made taoists into rapists, been writing a bunch of Yinful poetry so it’s not surprising. Here’s a Taoist poem I wrote, tell me how it is King.

https://pastebin.com/356eGnG5

>>16737226
>tell me how it is King.
You are.

how do you get a tantric initiation bros? what does it entain and what is the obligation?
i heard the tibetan teachers don't initiate non monks into tantric paths and hindu ones are mostly corrupt or demand exorbitant amounts of money to filter out people

>>16736490
Unlike you, who do not view things as black (Christianity, Jews, everything you don't like) and white (whatever you support)

>>16739319
Women and children will teach you if you sacrifice your "self" to them.
The more wild, dramatic, emotional, volatile, suicidal, psychotic, thrill chasing, life seeking women you can find are natural tantrics.
Anyone woman with extreme bpd leans towards a tantric.

You can't force them into anything, you have to wield and direct the energy
It's wild man. Ride the lightning.
Tantras not something to be taught, it's something to learn. It's distinctly a very individualistic thing and everyone will have a different relationship with it. Being "taught" Tantra is never going to genuinely be Tantra.
It's a challenging, enigmatic journey, but if you make sacrifices of yourself to children and wild women as the "right" perspective on life, and you view their experience as the "correct" one, you will begin to understand.
You'll never get a genuine understanding from men, especially western men.

You don't have to simp or something, but you have to let go of yourself to understand them.
Shits wild though. No shame, no shyness, no fear. You have to ride the lightning. You have to be suicidally fearless.

>>16739319
Just remember that people discovered this stuff.
We gather knowledge through that which we sacrifice to. If you want to understand a machine, you surrender to the machine.
Many paths, things, people, energies, etc. To surrender to.

There's reasons they gate keep stuff like this lol. There is no good and bad to a tantric, and there is a desire to live as boldly and wild as possible. America is a good breeding ground for tantrics.
There's a ton of offshoots, it's endless.

But you can attain knowledge yourself if you follow what I said and sacrifice to wild women and children, and perceive from their view as the right one. You will come closer to understanding.

Nothings off limits, but the wheel must rotate (notice all the butterfly tattoos on women? Transformation and Tantra are closely aligned). Pay attention to them. They have an intelligence about them that men cannot attune to while being "men"

>>16739319

It’ll require years of normative non edgy practice and meditation, basically guru worship and a large difficulty in finding them. If you really want tantric initiation abhinavagupta says in the tantraloka that extensive work with raktadevi is enough for full blown tantric initiation.

Tantraloka 4:62:

>The purpose of self initiation is to mobilize the essense of the mantra which is being practiced. Mobilization of the essence of the mantra results in activation of self knowledge. It has been observed that if one is unable to get a teacher capable of activating the mantra, by praying to Candika Devi (Raktadevi) regularly, one becomes an Acarya within a month, a Sadhaka in a fortnight. A Putraka in a week, and within four days less by quarter of a day, Samayi. In this process of initiation, Raktadevi is supposed to perform the ceremony Herself as the provision of the Shastras. This method is to be adopted in case of unavailibility of a Guru.

Also it's purely existential and it changes....
You can't really write on it, though poetry is alright.
There's some stable archetypes. Kali is a really stable archetype in human behavior, for when it's time for a non generative illusion to die.

>>16740319
Trust me man shit like this is Tibetan Buddhism and it's one off from actual Tantra
Even the tantrics were largely nomadics who had internalized their devi consorts and learned "techniques" to wield them. Mostly sensory and emotionally centric stuff, along with thrill, fresh change etc.

Tantra is ancient ancient ancient.
Basically, energize. Excite. Fight club is a decent representation but it's more Maya and Tibetan Buddhism.
True Tantra is going to be pure existential and absent of any preference or opinion or maya.
It's about working with energy and impulse, going through them like a pig until you obsess, and then collapsing it and inverting into the opposite. Most people crash though.

It's about becoming very sensitive and making energy out of anything. I can change my "self" to become more sensitive and "about" whatever situation I find myself in. It's like improv. Accepting and adding to a situation. I can make energy out of anything this way, which is why it feels so electric.

There's way more and so many offshoots
But the root of Tantra is very existential, about energy, emotions as energy, etc.
It's something you just can't write about, it's impossible. Enigmatic poetry is all you're ever going to get

Tantra is pure play man
Mantras are already one off. Giving shape to water.

The reason I made this thread is that the feminine in all humans knows when one illusion goes too far and when it's time to shatter it
Kali knows this well, so I try to understand her motives

>>16740385
Like you notice how all those vajra bros are all making weird sounds and shit
They're intuitively cognizant of tone and frequency and it's effect on water and thus humans. They're manipulating themselves way deeper than mantra. To even be effected by a mantra, you have to first have a relationship with the words. You can say a mantra to me in Sanskrit and I have no idea what it is because I have no relationship with the words

But the tones and frequencies will effect my body and consciousness beyond a lot of my awareness

>>16736228
Literally think I've experienced Tantra after meditating for 8 or so times throughout a year and I can go into similar states whenever I please, considering I have been given the opportunity of course.

"Tantra" seems to me the only and most applicable word for it, more so than Kundalini. But all these concepts inevitably seem to fall away from exactness because of their Eastern nature, and me being a Westerner. I've also been attacked by a demon(it could have just as well been a physically felt hallucination, because a fan was on my all night and I pushed the sheets off from my heat and I awoke very cold and my body had been in a weird state of extreme heat and cold by the time I had awoke, so obvious physiological changing of consciousness allowing it to happen-- ), but it happened around the same time I was having many of these visions and experiences and of course I treated it necessarily as a real in the moment, thinking that this is always the best and most honourable thing to do, as Luther did after writing tirelessly and tired to the tenth degree.

Also whenever I exasperate my emotion somehow, in some direction, whatever, almost always it puts me perfectly into the mood multiple hours later and naturally I feel the spell coming on and the urge to fall into it again. Either extreme happiness or extreme sadness, it is "refreshing" and I suppose you could say though extremely loosely, I fall into a multi-coloured experience again.

Any explanations? People say "you're experiencing a Kundalini awakening" (- because there's a lot more to it -) but as I said it doesn't seem to fit exactly though the essential spirit of it may be true. I know a bit of Jung but as for specific he gives me no lead.

>>16736228
>>16740433
I should also say in more recent experiences my breathing suddenly goes up as it were subconsciously and rapidly (like hyperventilating, or better comparable to the trance-dance you see some Indians acting in their breathing states), and only after the first few times did I realise this was happening while I was simultaneously focusing. Very rarely my eyes roll to the back of my head as well, but oddly enough it leads quicker to some experience of this feeling of energy in my body.

And to put it in utmost crude terms, one of the repeated experiences, is comparable to Tantra, in it being equivalent to orgasmic pleasure but of an entirely unsexual nature, positively destroying ANY sexual thought or desire. The bringing up of a random sexual thought I have more mental power over laughingly dismissing than in normal day to day life and dismissing the random notice of a hat in my mind.

>>16740463
Can't say I can relate or authorize your experience, but it sounds like it's within the ballpark of these concepts

>>16736406
there are Buddhists on the moon right now, idiot

>>16740697
Tibetan ones perhaps, who also engaged in the drama

>>16737051
>Frater Asemlen
Hey tantra bro, have you read these
"A Bolt of Lightning From The Blue"
"A Roll of Thunder from the Void"

>>16742437

Yes, I’ve studied those vajrayana texts and a couple other vajrakila texts. They’re good for introduction to vajrakila but not tantra in general. The Hevajra tantra is a superior primer for Vajrayana.

>>16736406
>>16740792
>drama

what a shitshow of a thread honestly i feel bad for op

>>16740298
is this some tantra = sex shit that westerners are usually on
>>16740315
>women and children
there are masculine deities in tantra too dude

>>16736228
Encountering Kālī - Rachel F. McDermott and Jeffrey J. Kripal
Tantra: Path of Ecstasy - Georg Feuerstein

>>16736308
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