/lit/ - Literature

what a pseud

>>16731284
no, if you stripped this excerpt of all the pretentious verbiage you'd end up with a very basic undergrad critique of Plato and representational philosophy in general

>>16731297
Refute it then. You probably haven't read him.

>>16731303
Lol sure thing bud. Let's see you try.

>>16731310
what is there to refute
>despotism bad because uhhhhh atoms

>>16731317
I don't have to, this is literally a digested version of Nietzschean and Deleuzian critiques of representation, it's been done hundreds of times

>>16731321
>Philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions
One could refute that point or his use of schizoanalysis. But you can't even think about something to refute on the paragraph. No one on this damn board engages shit, OP's just making fun of land without discussion like very other land thread

Why is this pinned?

The best way of knowing whether or not a philosopher is a pseud polemic is whether he admires or tries to refute Plato.

>>16731353
>admiring plato
that's a lot of pseuds. it takes serious balls to go against the herd.

>>16731349

>>16731353
what if I admire Plato as an important figure of Western phil and a good writer but still think he was wrong about a lot of things?

>>16731353
>appeal to "authority"

>>16731344
>Philosophy has an affinity with despotism
normative statement and therefore doesn't need refuting

>>16731381
>normative statement and therefore doesn't need refuting
good luck passing that as an argument on any department.

>>16731388
>appeal to authority again

>>16731402
>uses appeal to authority as an appeal to authority

>>16731402
>>16731381
Can I get a source?

>>16731410
Autodidacts will seethe

>>16731409
>fallacy fallacy
I win.

>>16731410
Saw it in a dream

too based for this world.

>>16731284
>Philosophy
Chaos.

Deleuze-Guattari are sophisticated political propagandists and strategists. Not ardous philosophers.

>>16732240
>Deleuze-Guattari
Conspirators.

>>16731284
>>16731310
>It avoids Ideas, and sticks to diagrams
What does this mean? is a diagram not a subset of ideas?

>>16732401
>What
Ph, nothing.

>>16732401
it's overcoming the latento-fascist tendencies of the ressentiment mind which has not accepted the antihumanist power of neocapital hyper-intelligences.

>>16732240
>sophisticated
>toenail collectors

>>16731284
This is actually quite good. We need more of this rather than the autistic mindrot still dominant in philosophy.

>>16731284
Fucking techbrain flathead cunt "uhhh philosophy bad because appeals to fascism, which is bad in the modern neoliberal paradigm I have internalized so thoroughly it's actually starting to hurt me"
Fuck Land
He tours in my home city I'm climbing onstage and giving his organs fresh air

>>16732852
I agree. and Uncle Nick is read by the Trump administration so he is more powerful than any of the pseuds here would like to admit.

Nick Land hasn't lived a tough life.

The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>>16731284
Based Land. Gayto eternally btfo.

>>16731284
Nick Land was refuted by Ted Kaczynski.

>>16733126
The story goes like this: pseuds are captured by a Landian singularity as empty technobabble and edgy posturing lock into cheesiness take-off. Grammatically awkward obsolete cyberpunk prose meltdowns thought in auto-fellating buzzword incontinence. As post-Virtual Futures tantrums try to manufacture intelligence, secluded bullshitters modernize, upgrade alt-right paranoia, and refuse to get a grip. The cringiness climbs through a series of Myspace posts. Bourgeois Decadence Disguised as Anti-Anthropocentric Rationality trashes Decent Deleuze Scholarship, Worthy Schizoanalytic Praxis, the First and Second Terminator, and Deleuzo-Nietzscheanism, cranking up capitalist ideology through compressing phases of narcissistic self-victimization...

>>16731284
why would i read this instead of deleuze and guattari?

>>16733294
because Nick is the best of the postneomarxists.

>>16733165
I think Land would agree with most of what Ted said

>>16734103
retard

>>16734095
>>16733294
Reading fascists
Or reading a fascist who is unentertaining.

Why would I ?

>In the late 1970s, at a time when what is today called gender history was mostly conceived of as women's history, driven by the effort to make women—female agency, impact, and suffering—visible in a male-dominated world, the German literary scholar Klaus Theweleit drew attention to the emotional world and gendered “phantasies” of men. It was a special group of men that Theweleit examined, however: the German Freikorps soldiers who, in the aftermath of World War I, and in a spirit of authoritarianism, militarism, nationalism, and misogynistic resentment, fought a civil war against democrats, socialists, communists, Jews, and women. In Theweleit's view, Freikorps men radicalized common Western and German norms about male self-control and “hard” masculinity into a perpetual war against women and femininity. It was not least the femininity that existed within men, as a desire for domesticity, tenderness, and compassion, that the men of the Freikorps wanted to “defeat.” Driven by the loss of a firm identity and ubiquitous fears of sexuality and states of liquidity, these men and their “male fantasies” spearheaded the rise and heralded the devastating impact of the Third Reich, according to Theweleit. Although his work was empirically based on a limited number of autobiographical writings by the individuals he examined, Theweleit, inspired by post-Freudian psychoanalysis, understood his findings in a quasi-universal sense: masculinity, male solidarity, and, above all, the steeled, armored male body appeared as the engines of a patriarchal order, with “perpetrator-men” and “victim-women” juxtaposed dichotomously.
Holy based.

>>16732401
ideas =/= Ideas

He's basically saying that set theory is not compatible with the Forms because the former regards the nature of things to be based in multiplicity and not in a singularity. He's saying there are no singularities. An element in a set exists because other elements in the set exist, and the loss of any element in the set changes all the other elements. Each element is not its own thing but instead an aspect of the set and none is Ideal.

>>16734612
cringe

>>16731284
Ideas > "diagrams"

Literally irrefutable. I believe in God.

>>16732892
give your head a wobble amerishit

>>16731353
Depends which Plato. Early Plato or late Plato?

>>16731284
I don't understand all this obscure vocabulary but I admire this man for being one of the greatest living Pessimist philosopher and a philanthrop. He knows that there is no end to human suffering until there are humans. Humanity can only face extinction through artificial intelligence and robotics.
Land also knows that it's not enough to end human suffering. The universe which is the source of this suffering should also be killed by accelerating the heat death. And human agent is hindrance in the evolutionary entroic acceleration. A inferior and fragile being as compare to intelligent machines.

A true disciple of Eduard von Hartmann

>>16731284
Can someone translate all that pseudish into normal English?

>>16731284
anyone who writes like this is a fag and should be disregarded.
if you can't appreciate concision, you're too stupid to write, or do anything really.

>>16731353
Absolutely this, think I said the exact same thing in another thread.

>>16735949
Both, but of course where one *can* critique early Plato there is practically no refuting critique for late Plato.

>>16735972
refute it then.

>>16735996
reread my post, you don't understand it

>>16736002
read Land. he's concise that's the whole point of teleoplexy and neologisms.

>>16735977
Plato was completely BTFO

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/intersectionality-the-real-talking-point-for-tackling-diversity-and-inclusion-in-business/
Land BTFO

>>16736415
Literally anyone that thinks they btfo'd Plato (Nietzsche) never understood late Plato.

>>16736446
Nietzsche was only the first. Heidegger, Deleuze, then Land all BTFO him. worse each time too.
I pity anyone still reading Plato after this.

>>16735915
cope

>>16736453
>Nietzsche was only the first. Heidegger, Deleuze, then Land all BTFO him.
Where?

>>16736663
read anon. there's no excuse. Land is one of the most popular thinkers.

>>16736738
Delusional.

>>16736738
His vocabulary is really difficult.
Anyway where I should start with him?

>>16731284
Man, early Land was cringe

>>16736942
yeah. read Crypto-Current.

>>16733165
how?

>>16736899
"I wiped the blade against my jeans and walked into the bar. It was mid-afternoon, very hot and still. The bar was deserted. I ordered a whiskey. The barman looked at the blood and asked:

‘God?’

‘Yeah.’

‘S’pose it’s time someone finished that hypocritical little punk, always bragging about his old man’s power…’

He smiled crookedly, insinuatingly, a slight nausea shuddered through me. I replied weakly:

‘It was kind of sick, he didn’t fight back or anything, just kept trying to touch me and shit, like one of those dogs that try to fuck your leg. Something in me snapped, the whingeing had ground me down too low. I really hated that sanctimonious little creep.’

‘So you snuffed him?’

‘Yeah, I’ve killed him, knifed the life out of him, once I started I got frenzied, it was an ecstasy, I never knew I could hate so much.’

I felt very calm, slightly light-headed. The whisky tasted good, vaporizing in my throat. We were silent for a few moments. The barman looked at me levelly, the edge of his eyes twitching slightly with anxiety:

There’ll be trouble though, don’tcha think?’

‘I don’t give a shit, the threats are all used up, I just don’t give a shit.’

‘You know what they say about his old man? Ruthless bastard they say. Cruel…’

‘I just hope I’ve hurt him, if he even exists.’

‘Woulden wanna cross him merself,’ he muttered.

I wanted to say ‘yeah, well that’s where we differ’, but the energy for it wasn’t there. The fan rotated languidly, casting spidery shadows across the room. We sat in silence a little longer. The barman broke first:

‘So God’s dead?’

‘If that’s who he was. That fucking kid lied all the time. I just hope it’s true this time.’

The barman worked at one of his teeth with his tongue, uneasily:

‘It’s kindova big crime though, isn’t it? You know how it is, when one of the cops goes down and everything’s dropped ’til they find the guy who did it. I mean, you’re not just breaking a law, your breaking LAW.’

I scraped my finger along my jeans, and suspended it over the bar, so that a thick clot of blood fell down into my whisky, and dissolved. I smiled:

‘Maybe it’s a big crime,’ I mused vaguely ‘but maybe it’s nothing at all…’ ‘…and we have killed him’ writes Nietzsche, but—destituted of community—I crave a little time with him on my own.

In perfect communion I lick the dagger foamed with God’s blood."

>>16736063
>read Land, he's concise
>pages upon pages of binary, meaningless shitty cyberpunk anecdotes he couldn't get published, and 3xtr3m3 c001 133tsp34k
Are you retarded, or are you simply pretending to have read his horseshit corpus?

>>16737055
>anti-accfag still hasn't read Land

>>16731349

>>16737080
I am looking at a copy of Fanged Noumena as I type this you insufferable pseud acctranny

>>16731349

>>16736663
In the latent understanding that biology and metaphysics are intertwined, which pervades their entire work and rejects the nature of the Forms. This view doesn't even start with Nietzsche, either; Plato has been in jeopardy since the 18th century at least.

>>16737173
>biology and metaphysics are intertwined
Then boy would I ever hate to see what your metaphysical half looks like, genetically inviable Landtranny

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>>16737187
Imagine using this as an argument of any kind

>>16737187
There is no "metaphysical half," that's what biology and metaphysics being intertwined means. Biology gives rise to metaphysics, which is just thought being produced by a brain.

>>16737197
Imagine tying biology to metaphysics and expecting to escape the consequences of your own nature as a brainsick genetrash evolutionary botch.
Ad hominem is the only real argument.

>>16736453
Heidegger literally proved (late) Plato right how did you misunderstand him so much?????


>"The third passage of the Parmenides is the most profound point to which Occidental metaphysics has ever advanced. It is the most radical advance into the problem of Being and time—an advance which afterwards was not caught up with [aufgefangen] but instead intercepted [abgefangen] (by Aristotle)
Though Heidegger is by far exaggerating here, the point remains. And here by Karl Jaspers in a letter to Heidegger:
> If the second half of his [Plato’s] Parmenides would be performed anew with today’s methods (and not Neoplatonically), then all bad metaphysics would be overcome, and the space would be open for a pure hearing of the language of Being.

>>16737471
Biology can't even define 'Life' coherently. It always assumes metaphysics.
>genetrash evolutionary botch
You're not as witty as you think you are.

>>16737487
not in the Landian reading.

>>16737489
I'm not being witty, acctranny, I'm stating the facts of the matter concisely. Your nature as a failed thing proves any philosophy you swear by to be a philosophy for failed things, thus a philosophy of failure or a failed philosophy.

Still not a single refutation. Why are Platonists so weak?

>>16731284
Imagine thinking land is trying to refute Plato in any way in this paragraph

>>16737793
You can't refute the ramblings of a madman, nor can you beat a pigeon at chess.
"Refute this," spouts the tranny, releasing balls of pus-soaked hair and coagulated blood onto the pages. "You refuse even to engage with it," the tranny crows, "And I am proven right once again." It raises its head high. "I am the champion- I win against all philosophy," it shrieks into the empty auditorium.

>>16737471
>>16737504
What the hell are you even talking about?

>>16731418
>>16731415
>>16731410
You're all wrong I know because of personal experience.

>>16731284
Literally Popper's take. Imagine taking a stance from Popper. Such a fucking pseud.

>>16733271
I liked your post and how you made fun of Land but the latent leftism in it made both your bias and retardation very clear.
I still like your post and it's 10x better than the garbage you replied to

>>16737118
This is why I know I don't need to read Land. If your philosophy is liked and shilled by trannies who are hoping so hard that it's real. I know it's actually some hellish disgusting anti-human crap that is not worth my time.
I do think he's funny though

>>16737841
lol this is exactly what people said about Neitszche though so it sounds like you got filtered

>>16738630
how is it wrong?

>>16738695
Post your timestamped physique, and if you could stand a chance against me in a fistfight, I'll read the book as if it's philosophy and not schizo poetry this time around

>>16737793
Platonists stopped paying attention to science and philosophy about 300 years ago, that's why.

>>16739051
And they are much healthier for it.
Your philosophy, if it can indeed be called such a thing, is predisposed on the embarrassing, draining lie that is global capital.

>>16739085
>And they are much healthier for it.
If we're talking about the modern psychiatric understanding of mental health, then sure. They are "healthier" as in better suited to be a cog in a machine.

>Your philosophy, if it can indeed be called such a thing
If you don't even understand what it is then don't talk about it.

>>16732892
Thump doesn't read

>>16739085
imagine hating science. there is no lie in capital it is the truth.

>>16739104
I know more about your philosophyn't than you do.
Its foundational myths are retarded. Its claims are retarded. Its adherents are retarded.
It is a system connived by a retard, predisposed on the entire world behaving like retards.
You are a retard.

>>16732892
>I agree. and Uncle Nick is read by the Trump administration
Curtis Yarvin was read by that guy Bannon, nobody knows who nick land is

>>16739179
Take your meds.

Nick Land on being trans

>>16739308
This is the only Land I will ever read, the boomer Land on twitter constantly heckled by anime avi accfag troons like "ugh, when did you turn into such a chud, so sad." Cope, dilate, rope.

>>16731284
>Philosophy has an affinity with despotism
No shit. Plato was an aristocratic philosopher. Wasn't it obvious?

>>16739338
don't forget DARK ENLIGHTENMENT.

>>16739492
>>16739338
and Crypto-Current.

>>16739678
>>16739492
you need Fanged Noumena to understand those. It's shit and Land is a pseud but it's necessary to understand Land's best stuff.

we're love on the wired. let's get some call from outside the uk.