/lit/ - Literature

You likely got it through osmosis from other sources which were influenced by whatever work you just read.

>read Phenomenology of Spirit
>have already independently arrived at these conclusions

>read Daddy J.B.P P.H.D
>no way I could have ever come to these conclusions without such an articulate intellectual telling me to clean my foreskin

>>16719710
you could say the same about the philosopher who was the first to write it down. i think people give too much credit to philosophers, we are all philosophers.

that's what happened to me and Plotinus' ontology

This has happened to me so many times that I'm convinced that reading philosophy is almost a complete waste of time.

I have a creeping belief that most of these acclaimed philosophers are actually quite stupid and their conclusions are very far from being even slightly impressive (to me, maybe normie retards find it enlightening because they can't think independently to save their lives).

>>16719743
No way who the fuck are you

>read Sein und Zeit
> have already independently arrived at these conclusions

>read Mein Kampf
>have already independently arrived at these conclusions

>>16719877
Nice pre-ontological posting my fren

>read the New Testament
>have already independently arrived at these conclusions
Am I the second?

>>16719699
>writing an essay
>read some additional secondary criticism mid-way through that reached all my conclusions 20 years prior
FUCK OFF, I THOUGHT I WAS BEING ORIGINAL

>>16719849
>>16719699
It's not that their ideas are original, it's that they won the branding contest (or were awarded those spots for political reasons in later academic canons) to be associated with those ideas. Foucalt is a good example; he's mostly useful for showing how important his ideas are to the current academic world, rather than that he's any kind of genius for his AIDS rambling

>>16719743
>>16719860
The subject matter of phenomenology is something that is happening every moment of your sensuous experience whether you are conscious of it or not

>>16719699
to paraphrse Nietzsche, everyone has great ideas, and philosophers are the ones with the courage to write them down and assert their profindity

>>16719699
>read philosophy book
>be amazed to find general idea which has been floating around in your head clearly and concretely explained

This happened to me with one of Socrates' opening statements in The Republic, that "appearance has more force than reality.

I had vaguely felt this for years as I found out that for people to trust/back you, you have to say what they seem to think is right. That an audience can be swayed be saying what "seems" right. Similarly if someone mistakenly blames you for something you didn't cause, even if later on you can show to them that it isn't your fault and they agree, already that person's view of you is stained/tainted in a negative way. The concept of marketing also comes to mind.

>watch hinduism video
>have already independently arrived at these conclusions

>>16719699
For me it was the ethics

>>16720404
wow I've had that same thought before

>>16719849
I am way sharper mentally when I doing challenging reading

>>16719849
I think it helps to articulate the ideas, and also it's helpful to apply them to different areas.

I also notice a lot of philosophers saying the same thing as other philosophers, and some non-philosophers. (maybe I just misunderstand them though)

>>16719699
There’s no better feeling of validation

>read this thread
>have already independently arrived at the conclusion OP is a brainlet

>>16719699
>>have already independently arrived at these conclusions

Imagine believing you arrived at those conclusions, completely neglecting the ocean of ideas you are constantly immersed in.

>>16719849
if you had those beliefs beforehand, how come you hadn't articulated them prior to reading the work in question? Perhaps it is because the challenge isn't gathering the belief or holding it, but expressing it in an articulate fashion so that you can discuss it with others.

>>16720137
kek, I've been there.
>writing long-winded email manifesto to my family as my latest existential crisis comes to an end
>the bulk of the email is me pointing out why I think society has lost its way and how to defend against nihilism
>basically crying as I type out the email then hit send
>2 mins later brother replies: "you should read Nietzsche bro"

>>16720989
>>16720989
only guy itt who gets it

>>16719699
this is me except i owe it all to ketamine

>>16719699
You're doing Schopenhauer proud

>>16719805
i already came to that conclusion

>>16721652
Unironically true

>>16721733
I have already came to the same conclusion, following that I concluded that others would already have come to the same conclusion

>>16719699
>read philosophy book
>have already independently thought of but refuted these conclusions

>read The Industrial Society and Its Future
>already living in a log cabin innawoods without electricity

>>16719699
Exactly how I felt reading the bible

>>16721000
wat

>read Aristotle
>”a friend is one soul in two bodies”
Fuck. This is how exactly how I felt with my ex gf who was also my best friend. I wasn’t ready for this bros. Hold me.

>>16720980
Give me a little credit for drawing the correct conclusion out of an ocean, geez.

>>16719805
why would you post this I already came to that conclusion

>>16720137
now this, I can relate to!

>>16722122
Which Bible?

>>16719892
Based

>>16720370
the only reason he's important to the academic world is because they all already have aids, mentally and physically

>>16720861
don't bother posting this, I've already arrived at that conclusion

>>16721894
don't bother, I thought that on my own

>>16721000
I hope you look back on this phase in your life with embarrassment
How old were you?

>>16719699
Maybe the is a world of ideas that we can all independently access

you're just too stupid to understand anything other than your own insipid thoughts so you unconsciously trick yourself into only seeing your own thoughts so as to not burst your little retard bubble with anything actually different.

>>16722203
I thought that thought first. fuckin cuck

>>16722227
wow! Was thinking the same thing, only earlier!

>>16722204
...27. Not young enough for it to be anything but cringe-inducing. And yes, I don't send those types of emails anymore.

>>16722216

>NOOOO THE AUTHOR HAS PATH-BREAKING THOUGHTS THAT NO OTHER GUY DID BEFORE NOOOOOOO U CANNOT GET INTO THE IVORY TOWER NOOOOOOOOOOO

Still, this much better FPBP >>16719710 also applies in several cases, though not all.

>>16719805
kek

>read communist manifesto
>already thought the ideas were retarded

>>16719860
Not that guy, but I'm pretty sure i arrived independrntly at the dialectical method as it is exposed in PoS (although not as it is developed in the Science of Logic).
I mean, the thought behind it is not that arcane. If I think that skepticism towards certain claims is justified, I'm assuming positive claim which grounds my own skepticism (i.e. if I think that we should be skeptical about the existence of an outer world, as solipsist do, then I am making a positive claim about my epistemic faculties). Since that ground can be doubted too, absolute skepticism becomes impossible. What you get instead is a philosophical system based on negative determinations. I think most people can reach these conclusions independently (although developing them as well as Hegel did is a whole different story)

quick: post an example of an actually relatively original or insightful idea that the average person is unlikely to consider

>read philosophy book
>substitute previously held reality for my own, newly formed and perceived reality

>>16722527
pedophilia can actually be good
love necessarily implies melancholia

>>16722182
satanic

>>16722527
*that you've read in a philosophy book

>>16722527
if ive read it then its not original

> read "The Hungry Caterpillar"
> have already independently arrived at these conclusions

>>16722624
Based

>>16719849
your FUCKING EGO BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>16720374
>intellectuals clinging to their fantasy that their ramblings is accurate about reality

>>16720404
yeah people are infatuated with ideas, this is why the world is shit and full of weak men.

>>16721000
>>>basically crying as I type out the email then hit send
>>2 mins later brother replies: "you should read Nietzsche bro"
Wait so you invented pomo, and ''everybody should create their own meaning bro''

literal teen ethics

>>16722556
>>pedophilia can actually be good
>love necessarily implies melancholia
judaism is common

>>16719805
although true, there would definitely have been philosophers that came up with totally unique conclusions that nobody before or concurrent to him could've, because back then there was nothing like the internet or culture as we know it

>>16719699
>read about the theory of realitivity
>realize I conceptualized the same thing when I was 8 years old.

>>16719699
every time